highaltitude.log.20160110

[00:26] <AndyEsser> GPS DATA!
[00:26] <AndyEsser> woo
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[00:31] <adamgreig> boo, i don't think i can make everything fit on my board
[00:31] <AndyEsser> :(
[00:31] <adamgreig> the worst part of placing parts
[00:31] <AndyEsser> even if you double side it?
[00:31] <adamgreig> already done that
[00:31] <adamgreig> https://agg.io/u/shrew_r_2.png
[00:31] <AndyEsser> ah
[00:31] <AndyEsser> too much stuff?
[00:31] <adamgreig> i can only do through vias
[00:31] <adamgreig> so can only get away with doing so much double sided
[00:31] <AndyEsser> the bottom right stuff the bit that's not placed?
[00:32] <adamgreig> yea
[00:32] <adamgreig> though the middle antenna has nothing like the correct clearance either
[00:32] <AndyEsser> That's anooying
[00:32] <adamgreig> and the passives above it probably won't be routable like that
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi AndyEsser :)
[00:32] <AndyEsser> is the bottom 1/3rd of the board all connectors?
[00:32] <adamgreig> and the whole board probably not routable tbh
[00:32] <AndyEsser> hey Lunar_Lander
[00:32] <adamgreig> the bottom 2 grid squares are connectors
[00:32] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: going to have to make it longer then?
[00:32] <adamgreig> might do yea
[00:32] <AndyEsser> This is for a rocket, I believe?
[00:32] <adamgreig> or wider
[00:32] <adamgreig> or both
[00:32] <adamgreig> probably
[00:32] <adamgreig> it's more a concept idea
[00:33] <adamgreig> but yea in principle it's for a rocket
[00:33] <AndyEsser> Ah, assumed the width was restricted by diameter of rocket :)
[00:33] <adamgreig> currently it's AA battery sized
[00:34] <adamgreig> well it's more that the thinner it is, the more rockets it can fit into, and the thinner some rockets can be allowed to be
[00:34] <AndyEsser> not bad :)
[00:34] <adamgreig> longer is probably not the end of the world
[00:34] <adamgreig> but a bit annoying
[00:34] <AndyEsser> what do you have on the board?
[00:34] <adamgreig> much less neat when it sticks out beyond the battery
[00:34] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/685978051822415872
[00:35] <AndyEsser> I'm guessing that data shouldn't be that corrupted when it's all wires?
[00:35] <adamgreig> micro sd card, high-g accelerometer, barometer, dual channel SMPS, micro usb socket, 9dof (accel+gyro+magno) IMU, radio transmitter/receiver, stm32f4 180mhz ARM thing, GPS receiver, and two 1A pyrotechnic channels
[00:35] <adamgreig> corruption's not great, how are you reading that?
[00:36] <adamgreig> oh and a buzzer
[00:36] <AndyEsser> What's an IMU? (sorry - noob)
[00:36] <adamgreig> inertial measurement unit
[00:36] <AndyEsser> It's the GPS, going into a MAX232 and then into my PC
[00:36] <adamgreig> measures the thing's acceleration in 3 axis, rate of rotation in 3 axis, and magnetic field strength in 3 axis
[00:36] <adamgreig> check your ground connections are good
[00:37] <adamgreig> it's an accelerometer and a gyroscope and a magnetometer in one package basically
[00:37] <AndyEsser> Ah cool
[00:37] <adamgreig> which is very neat
[00:39] <AndyEsser> I imagine it might be a combination of using breadboard, and a not entirely smoother power supply
[00:39] <AndyEsser> I know the Ublox GPS units are a bit sensitive to wobbles
[00:39] <adamgreig> yea perhaps
[00:39] <adamgreig> that sensitivity is in how well they lock onto gps
[00:39] <adamgreig> not in how well they send you data over serial
[00:40] <AndyEsser> a bit of checking of connections etc has made it a bit better, in terms of corruptions
[00:40] <adamgreig> honestly i'd try and get a 3v3 usb-serial thing like an ftdi cable/dongle
[00:40] <AndyEsser> but is taking forever to get a lock now :(
[00:40] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: yep - will be ordering one next week
[00:40] <adamgreig> cool
[00:40] <AndyEsser> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/usb-to-serial-ttl-cable-n74de
[00:40] <AndyEsser> meant to order one this week, just forgot (since my MAX set up etc has worked from my AVR and stuff so not spent too much brain power on it)
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[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> AndyEsser, got my stackable headers :)
[00:42] <AndyEsser> nice
[00:43] <AndyEsser> should never have turned the damn thing
[00:43] <AndyEsser> +off*
[00:43] <AndyEsser> was getting GPS coordinates nicely, then I thought "Lets see how long it takes from boot now I know it works"
[00:43] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[00:43] <Laurenceb_> adamgreig: nice, whats the big BGA?
[00:44] <AndyEsser> Lunar_Lander: pics?
[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> moment
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[00:55] <adamgreig> Laurenceb_: stm32f4
[00:56] <adamgreig> one of the few in .8mm pitch bga which i can actually break out, rather than .5mm or .4mm
[00:56] <Lunar_Lander> AndyEsser, http://s.gullipics.com/image/l/u/w/5yvafa-l3641w-kakn/P20160110015022.jpeg
[00:56] <Laurenceb_> wow thats ambitious
[00:56] <adamgreig> breaking out the bga i think is ok
[00:56] <Laurenceb_> how do you plan to solder it?
[00:56] <adamgreig> the rest of the board is what's ambitious
[00:56] <adamgreig> reflow
[00:57] <Laurenceb_> using an oven?
[00:57] <adamgreig> yea
[00:57] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[00:57] <AndyEsser> a ha! fixed my data corruption issue - thanks adamgreig :P
[00:57] <adamgreig> ace, what was it?
[00:57] <Laurenceb_> at work we might use a vapour phase system for that
[00:57] <adamgreig> cool
[00:58] <AndyEsser> had my shield of the RS232 connector going to the junction between LED and resistor, rather than to gorund :)
[00:58] <adamgreig> ah nice
[00:58] <Laurenceb_> you will probably need to be careful with heatsinking of the BGA pads
[00:58] <AndyEsser> muppet mistake
[00:58] <AndyEsser> ha
[00:58] <Laurenceb_> are the pads you are using all around the perimeter?
[00:58] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: called it - "adamgreig> check your ground connections are good"
[00:58] <AndyEsser> now have a C program reading the serial port rather than putty so I can start to split out the messages - will get the AVR to do that tomorrow if I can find somewhere suitable in my office that the module actually gets a fix
[00:58] <adamgreig> Laurenceb_: i wish. no.
[00:58] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: yep :)
[00:59] <AndyEsser> that's what the thanks was for
[00:59] <adamgreig> i can fit a via between four pads though
[00:59] <Laurenceb_> adamgreig: hmm I'm not sure how much you can hope for
[00:59] <Laurenceb_> BGA that size can be challenging
[00:59] <adamgreig> yea
[00:59] <adamgreig> this is the biggest size st do ;(
[00:59] <Laurenceb_> worth trying - I'm used to trying to get stuff working reliably in production
[00:59] <adamgreig> i can definitely route a breakout that gets to all the pins and passes clearance
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> for a one off you can try a few attempts
[01:00] <adamgreig> but yea soldering it's going to be... fun
[01:00] <adamgreig> and don't stand much chance of rework
[01:00] <adamgreig> plus this will have to be a double sided reflow board
[01:00] <adamgreig> which adds to the fun
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> I'd try to do the BGA first and test
[01:01] <adamgreig> yea
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> then kapton tape off and hot air the others
[01:01] <adamgreig> i have a separate board with just a bga footprint already on its way to test out that soldering
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> ah good plan
[01:01] <adamgreig> i don't wanna hot air all the others, would take forever and go wrong
[01:01] <adamgreig> can just re-reflow the bga
[01:01] <adamgreig> should be ok i would think
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> usually when I do a new board I use the hot air method in sections
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> then test each section as I go
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> AndyEsser, awaiting a delivery of 6pin as well :)
[01:02] <adamgreig> hmm
[01:02] <Laurenceb_> slow but makes bug finding easy
[01:02] <adamgreig> yea
[01:02] <AndyEsser> Lunar_Lander: :)
[01:02] <Laurenceb_> not just a case of "turned in on and smoke"
[01:02] <Lunar_Lander> looking forward to it AndyEsser, despite the flaws
[01:02] <adamgreig> i've had quite good luck with reflowing the whole thing and it being ok
[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> it will be enough for shaking down the system
[01:03] <adamgreig> but not sure that luck would extend to this lol
[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> (well the only flaws are the fail footprint and the short)
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> yeah with 0.8mm BGA I don't know
[01:03] <adamgreig> moot point if I can't make it all fit
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> might work very well
[01:03] <adamgreig> my understanding is that .8mm bga should really not be too bad
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> ok
[01:03] <adamgreig> you can do it with 5/5 and through vias and normal reflow and it's meant to be alright
[01:03] <adamgreig> i mean, it's better clearance than my lqfps usually get tbh
[01:04] <adamgreig> by some margin
[01:04] <adamgreig> and that many separate pads helps it self-align really well
[01:04] <adamgreig> so reading various app notes my impression is it should be alright
[01:04] <Laurenceb_> I tend to avoid BGA for work projects, but thats just me
[01:04] <adamgreig> problems really kick in at .5mm bga where it gets hard
[01:04] <adamgreig> and .4mm is like, why are almost all your parts in this pitch package ST?
[01:04] <adamgreig> all their WLCSP is .4mm pitch
[01:05] <adamgreig> you cannot do that without plugged vias as far I can tell
[01:05] <Laurenceb_> but most of our work stuff uses at least some 0.4 or 0.5mm BGA with vapour phase reflow
[01:05] <adamgreig> how do you make the PCBs?
[01:05] <Laurenceb_> plugged vias
[01:06] <adamgreig> i imagine that's not cheap
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[01:07] <Laurenceb_> we use these guys.. they don't even seem to have a website lol
[01:07] <Laurenceb_> https://www.linkedin.com/company/tioga-limited
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[01:10] <adamgreig> lol
[01:10] <adamgreig> different world i think
[01:10] <adamgreig> vapour phase reflow looks very cool
[01:13] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/0AUertZ
[01:13] <AndyEsser> aww yea :)
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[01:31] <AndyEsser> Apparently I'm 2.5m above sea level
[01:32] <AndyEsser> guess that might actually be accurate
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[01:40] Nick change: vk5akh -> andyvk5
[01:51] <AndyEsser> right, night all
[01:53] <Laurenceb_> adamgreig: well atm we are making "networked equine ECG" for the grand national
[01:53] <Laurenceb_> so theres _quite_ a bit of budget
[01:55] <Laurenceb_> idea is to attempt to avoid embarrassment of horses dropping dead all over the place
[01:56] <chris_99> will it notify the rider or something then?
[01:58] <Laurenceb_> dunno, not my job
[01:58] <Laurenceb_> I do hardware
[01:59] <Laurenceb_> more likely a case of keeping up appearances
[02:00] <chris_99> heh
[02:00] <chris_99> i was suprised to learn the xiaomi mi band uses pulse oximetry, i thought it might have used ECG
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[02:03] <Laurenceb_> ECG on the wrist ?!
[02:03] <Laurenceb_> thats not going to work - no potential difference to measure
[02:03] <Laurenceb_> I suspect it uses green light PPG
[02:04] <Laurenceb_> like this lol http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0967-3334/37/1/83/pdf
[02:05] <chris_99> sec could of sworn i've seen one
[02:05] <Laurenceb_> I _think_ apple watch is similar
[02:05] <Laurenceb_> but never actually seen one in the flesh
[02:07] <chris_99> how would http://thoughttechnology.com/index.php/ekgtm-sensor-with-wrist-straps.html that work, isn't that doing it soley from the wrist?
[02:07] <Laurenceb_> isnt that one on each wrist?
[02:08] <chris_99> not sure, one wrist does seem to have 2 probes
[02:08] <chris_99> on
[02:08] <chris_99> so i'm not sure how it's working
[02:08] <Laurenceb_> hmm EKG might work
[02:08] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[02:09] <Laurenceb_> not that sports watches are the slightest bit exciting :P
[02:09] <chris_99> heh
[02:12] <chris_99> have you seen this kind of thing - https://www.nymi.com/the-nymi-band/
[02:13] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[02:17] <Spook_> Can I use an sms based tracker in the uk ?
[02:18] <chris_99> can't see why not?
[02:18] <Spook_> Was just wondering if it was within guidelines ?
[02:18] <chris_99> although maybe you can't have it active in air thinking about it?
[02:19] <Spook_> No idea,that's why I am asking
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[02:21] <chris_99> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/msohRwgik_s sounds like the reception isn't great anyway above 10,000feet
[02:22] <Spook_> If all I was using it for was to find the payload once it had landed ,would it be a suitable in your opinion ?
[02:23] <chris_99> i've not launched a balloon yet, so can't really help i'm afraid, but personally i think if you have RTTY transmitting from the balloon, loads of people here will be able to track it
[02:24] <chris_99> and then you can more easily find it's location in realtime
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[04:20] <w4yj> Hello everyone
[04:20] <w4yj> is the ballon still up?
[04:21] <w4yj> hello anyone here?
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[09:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03toyota_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=toyota_chase
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[09:59] <g0hww> gm
[09:59] <fsphil> morn!
[09:59] <AndyEsser> morning
[10:00] Action: g0hww admits that he was accidentally polite in the wrong window :)
[10:00] <eroomde> this channel is reserved for rudeness
[10:01] <g0hww> i never could get the hang of mornings
[10:01] <number10> morning
[10:02] <g0hww> eroomde, does your nick have a typo, i always thought it was spelt differently
[10:02] <AndyEsser> mornings suck
[10:02] <g0hww> or i'm madder than usual today
[10:03] <AndyEsser> eroomde: but you're like the politest person I know :)
[10:04] <g0hww> no balloons then? i have a new preamp to try
[10:05] <g0hww> it seems very good, but i need to get a BCFM and a pager notch filter up in front of it, as now the intermod is unfilterable in the shack
[10:06] <number10> winds are still not favorable
[10:06] <g0hww> ah
[10:10] <eroomde> g0hww: it's 'edmoore' backwards
[10:10] <eroomde> AndyEsser: i am very polite
[10:10] <g0hww> ah. i must have been confused
[10:10] <g0hww> that happens a lot
[10:11] <AndyEsser> eroomde: indeed
[10:12] <g0hww> i'm lucky that a incorrectly picked on a very polite person for misspelling their backwards name then :)
[10:15] <eroomde> gcc is being a bit impolite to me thismorning
[10:16] <eroomde> but it's probably my fault
[10:22] <fsphil> happens me a lot
[10:24] <number10> I wish I kept a better log book at home - I have lots of bits of hardware - with different regulators and no notes
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[11:17] <AndyEsser> in the UK are there any weight restrictions on pico balloons, or is just "envelope size" must be less than 2 metres at any stage?
[11:18] <fsphil> it's not just envelope size less than 2m. it's the whole thing, including payload, cord and antennas
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[11:18] <AndyEsser> sorry, that's what I meant by envelope
[11:19] <fsphil> ah, envelope would normally mean the balloon material
[11:19] <AndyEsser> apologies
[11:19] <fsphil> don't believe there are any weight restrictions beyond physics itself
[11:19] <AndyEsser> Yea, I meant entire size of... "vehicle" can't exceed 2m in any linear dimensions at any stage
[11:19] <AndyEsser> cool
[11:20] <AndyEsser> tempted to just get my radio/gps/avr up and running, buy a helium balloon and launch it :)
[11:20] <fsphil> the small balloons really limit what you can carry
[11:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> just fill it to max and it will popp @ 5-7000m
[11:21] <AndyEsser> heh, yea can imagine
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[11:28] <craag> AndyEsser: Do it!
[11:28] <AndyEsser> craag: need to wait until my SDR dongle arrives, otherwise I wouldn't be able to track it
[11:28] <craag> You'll probably need a larger helium balloon than you can get in most shops though (eg. the 36" qualatex)
[11:28] <craag> pfft who needs tracking
[11:29] <AndyEsser> craag: what's the point otherwise?
[11:29] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:29] <craag> launch it without a receiver, don't tell anyone, then complain that evening when it didn't appear on the map!
[11:30] <AndyEsser> craag: ha
[11:32] <number10> put £100 cash on board and tell everyone... like a treasure hunt
[11:32] <murb> number10: people already steal balloons because £200 quid gopro is quite tempting :(
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[11:33] <number10> yes, we have seen that. but never experience someone who has tracked a balloon... fortunately we are all trustworthy here
[11:33] <number10> d
[11:35] <number10> maybe we should have a UKHAS sweepstakes - to find the best chaser
[11:36] <number10> the person who fills the balloon is excluded from the chase
[11:38] <AndyEsser> that could be fun
[11:41] <craag> Darkside has run balloon foxhunting in Aus
[11:41] <craag> where you rely on DF skills
[11:41] <number10> oh yea... I sem to remember that.. was there a prize craag ?
[11:42] <craag> (at least one where the competitors didn't know it was going to be mobile, let alone airborne)
[11:43] <craag> number10: I assume so!
[11:43] <number10> I bet that was initially frustrating, questioning your skills, before you realised it was moving
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YFFZ5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YFFZ5
[11:43] <craag> Yeah he's got a video of the aprs of the contestants timelapsed
[11:44] <craag> Fun to see (most of) them slowly realise it's just gone over the top of them
[11:45] <number10> it is slightly easier with balloon telemetry, but its surprising how many people cant locate thier balloon.. there has been a couple llike that land my way
[11:45] <number10> I'll have to ask him for the video link
[11:47] <craag> trying to track it down now
[11:48] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJnpUvikUac
[11:49] <fsphil> hah, forgot about that
[11:49] <fsphil> poor VK5KB
[11:50] <craag> thanks fsphil !
[11:52] <fsphil> I imagine some inventive language being spoken when they realised
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[11:56] <mactunes> Hi everyone, I did another test (this time without the filter) and I see the payload popping up on the map. Assuming that this time everything went right. :) Could someone please approve flight doc 81bd58168febad805a585be129ba7fcc? Cheers!
[11:58] <RealBorg> mactunes, you want to ask that in #habhub
[11:58] <mactunes> d'oh, again! sorry guys
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[12:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-57 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57
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[14:00] <Laurenceb_> picospace is now second only to Leo for duration
[14:13] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
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[15:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[17:05] Action: criticalmass115 says hello :-)
[17:05] <criticalmass115> Anybody kicking about?
[17:05] <mfa298> hi, theres usually a few people around
[17:05] <criticalmass115> Horray!
[17:06] <craag> o/
[17:06] <criticalmass115> This is my first visit to this channel so I wanted to mak sue I wasn't talking to myself
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> hey
[17:06] <criticalmass115> So, you guys are HAB enthusiasts?
[17:08] <criticalmass115> I have aspirations to send a balloon into near space, but want to make sure I'm heading down the right path before I commit too much time or money.
[17:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes we are :)
[17:08] <fsphil> some of us have been known to launch now and then :)
[17:08] <criticalmass115> Can I ask some advice please?
[17:08] <craag> You're in the right place :) just ask away
[17:08] <criticalmass115> Amazing, thanks.
[17:09] <criticalmass115> I'm in the UK and have some basic component parts already - big latex thing, shute, box and gpx/sms tracker (backup).
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> Which balloon
[17:10] <criticalmass115> *gps.sms
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> What payload mass are you aiming at
[17:11] <criticalmass115> So, this would be my first launch, so nothing too big. My aim is to take photos / video and live track / take sensor recordings.
[17:12] <mfa298> most people make some sort of radio tracker, simple ones can be based around an arduino, more advanced ones have used other microcontrollers and/or raspberry pi which can allow live low-res image to be sent back during the flight
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[17:13] <criticalmass115> Balloon - unfortunately the initial kit was a gift and the balloon is in a foil packet with no markings.
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> how heavy is it
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> and big
[17:14] <craag> balloons are rated by the weight of the latex
[17:14] <fsphil> the only balloons with foil packets I've seen are the 100g's
[17:14] <craag> so simply putting it on some scales will tel you :)
[17:15] <criticalmass115> hang on
[17:16] <criticalmass115> Balloon is 1kg
[17:16] <fsphil> not bad, I was way out
[17:17] <criticalmass115> Well, 1.055kg, but the foil bag is prob a few gramms :-)
[17:18] <fsphil> yeah
[17:18] <craag> So now you can use the calculator at: http://habhub.org/calc to work out your maximum (burst) altitude for a given payload weight
[17:18] <fsphil> that's a fair size to use first time
[17:19] <criticalmass115> So, I've been looking at various arduino projects and one (http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-High-Altitude-Balloon-Tracker-Arduino/) mentions the UK High Altitude Society as being able to track progress on certain frequebcies with a low power tx
[17:20] <criticalmass115> Is that something that can still happen? I don't want to build and code a tracker, only to find out the service is no longer atctive.
[17:20] <mfa298> theres a range of guides on https://ukhas.org.uk/ which can help setting some of the stuff up
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> it's still active
[17:22] <mfa298> it's still active, although depends a bit on when you launch. It's just enthusiasts that track so tends to rely on people being around
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> you need to announce first
[17:22] <fsphil> yeah most flights use a low power 434mhz transmitter. it's license exempt
[17:22] <criticalmass115> Some really great info guys, thank you.
[17:23] <mfa298> you should also try and track yourself, dont just rely on others as unless you're really lucky people wont get the final bit of decent (you genally need to be within a few miles to get the last bit)
[17:23] <criticalmass115> So a 1kg balloon is quite big then? My bro-in-law bought me some stuff online but I don't think he know much about it himself.
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[17:24] <craag> It's about average for a UK launch
[17:24] <criticalmass115> Ok, cool
[17:24] <craag> most common used is probably the 1200g
[17:24] <criticalmass115> That's good to know.
[17:24] <mfa298> the calc craag linked to will give some idea how high that size balloon will go for varying payloads (and how much gas you'll need)
[17:24] <criticalmass115> Right-o
[17:25] <criticalmass115> Cheers for the link craag
[17:25] <fsphil> where abouts in the UK are you?
[17:26] <mfa298> you should probably also check the size of parachute to ensure it will slow your payload enough as it comes down (most people aim for around 5m/s ascent and 5m/s descent)
[17:27] <mfa298> ascent could be faster (but will lead to shorter flight and lower burst), decent can be slower (which will lead to a longer flight)
[17:27] <craag> btw criticalmass115 read this if you haven't yet: http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[17:28] <mfa298> when you're closer to launching there's also a predictor which will give some idea of where a flight will go - the predictions will vary a lot over time depending on what the winds do.
[17:28] <Ian_> You are probably aware that oils from fingers can seriously degrade latex balloons so don't be tempted to touch, foil wrapped for a good reason.
[17:29] <Ian_> The reason for asking for your part of the UK is to ascertain problems or opportunities for launch etc. Very few stalkers on here :-)
[17:30] <criticalmass115> ha, no worries <ian_> , I'm in west surrey near Farnborough.
[17:31] <criticalmass115> I doubt very much that I'll be able to launch anywhere near my home.
[17:31] <fsphil> plenty of trackers down around there, but you're quite near some big airports
[17:31] <criticalmass115> Far too many large airports nearby!
[17:31] <fsphil> yeah
[17:32] <fsphil> you'd best best to head north west
[17:32] <criticalmass115> Just need to go North a bit I think.
[17:32] <criticalmass115> Nice
[17:32] <mfa298> you'de probably need to head west a bit, but there are a few sites around that people may offer up that they know abotu and use.
[17:32] <Ian_> Between monitoring the IRC for snippets and soaking up the IRC, you are in for some serious brain cell gymnasics . . . It's a super learning experience when it all starts coming together. Rather a lot to take in all at once.
[17:33] <criticalmass115> Yeah, I get that. I got the kit for my birthday in September and have pretty much been looking into it since then.
[17:34] <criticalmass115> I'm a helicopter avionic support engineer, so I have some experience in electronics and flight, but this is all very new.
[17:35] <mfa298> from a quick scan of that Instructables it looks like a fairly decent guide - although you don't need to do it exactly like that if you already know other platforms
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[17:35] <Ian_> I think that arriving here is probably you hitting the HAB research mother lode. The more skills you bring with you the easier it will be.
[17:36] <criticalmass115> I have some experience with the RPI, but I think I'd like to keep it to the arduino for now.
[17:36] <criticalmass115> Gives me an excuse to learn to code a bit more as well.
[17:36] <mfa298> When you come to buying the radio transmitter and GPS Upus store as linked on that instructable are where most of us get those bits and he's often around here
[17:37] <criticalmass115> Ah, that's good to know
[17:37] <mfa298> and when you've got the bug and need more balloons/chutes etc there's also http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[17:37] <criticalmass115> I'm in no rush so want to spend as much time planning and designing as possible.
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[17:38] <criticalmass115> Thank you, I shall be saving this conversation :-)
[17:39] <AndyEsser> criticalmass115: I'm currently working towards my first launch as well, and everyone in here is really helpful and friendly - so don't be afraid to ask if you have any questions - it's likely someone has done the same thing before
[17:39] <craag> There are public logs of this channel at: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[17:39] <AndyEsser> craag: o god.... *censors self*
[17:40] <fsphil> WE KNOW ALL THE THINGS
[17:40] <fsphil> ahem, sorry. don't know what came over me :)
[17:40] <criticalmass115> haha I think I might fit right in here :-D
[17:40] <AndyEsser> criticalmass115: ignore fsphil - we let him out of his cage occasionally :P
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[17:44] <SpeedEvil> The people here have made most common mistakes already. :)
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> From letting go of the balloon not attached to the payload on
[17:47] <Laurenceb_> emdrive finally busted
[17:47] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1472667#msg1472667
[17:49] <Laurenceb_> according to emdrive "theory" the force should be 4 times higher than the HV pulse
[17:50] <Laurenceb_> TheTraveller == Roger Shawyer
[17:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHIMP01 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHIMP01
[17:51] <fsphil> http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Traveler
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1472699#msg1472699
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> rekt
[17:59] <criticalmass115> Am I right in saying that CHIMP01 has just landed?
[18:00] <Laurenceb_> the chimp has landed
[18:01] <criticalmass115> And that it was launched from Russia?
[18:01] <Chimpusmaximus> :-) just testing
[18:01] <criticalmass115> aaaaaaaaah
[18:01] <criticalmass115> ok
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[18:01] <craag> Ignore Laurenceb_
[18:01] <craag> He's a trollbot
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> lul
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> I should make some emdrive troll pics
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> for trolling purposes :D
[18:02] <Chimpusmaximus> criticalmass115 the path is its predicted path. Balloon icon changes to parachute when its on its way back down
[18:05] <criticalmass115> Ah, thank you. I have some learning to do :-)
[18:06] <mfa298> criticalmass115: if you get some suitable radio equipment to track and keep an eye out for launches you should be able to track some, which will help learning that side of things
[18:07] <mfa298> and when it's someone elses payload there's a lot less pressure to get it right
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[18:14] <criticalmass115> Cheers Chimpusmaximus, I'll start looking into it.
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[19:08] <AndyEsser> hmm.. amused at how much variation there is that my GPS chip reports for altitude
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[19:11] <eroomde> altitude is noisier than the other parameters
[19:11] <eroomde> because all the sats are above you
[19:11] <AndyEsser> Yea, I mean it's only a variation of ~20m +/-
[19:12] <AndyEsser> so it's not like it's 100's of m's variation
[19:12] <fsphil> +/- 100m isn't unusual either
[19:12] <AndyEsser> +/- 100m across potential 40km range isn't too bad :)
[19:16] <fsphil> indeed
[19:17] <mfa298> its always interesting seeing the track left by a payload thats landed in a tree, just to see the accuracy (or not of a GPS)
[19:36] <RealBorg> gps calculates the intersection of spheres
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[21:15] <Laurenceb_> any windows networking experts here? I have a weird connection issue
[21:16] <eroomde> try wireless instead
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> thats what I'm using
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> dont have a network cable to hand :-/
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> wifi always shows 100%, but the connection only ever works for 1 minute tops when I disconnect and reconnect
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[21:17] <Laurenceb_> I'm perplexed
[21:17] <mfa298> just remember rf is black magic
[21:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> You mean the WiFi only works for a minute not the the Windows networking protocols ?
[21:18] <craag> I've seen a similar issue on a realtek usb wifi stick with awful drivers
[21:18] <mfa298> I've also seem similar with the likes of norton installed.
[21:18] <mfa298> depending on the version of windows its possible to reset the network stack which may help.
[21:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> what router?
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> no the wifi always _says_ its working fine
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> its a bt homehub thingy
[21:19] <mfa298> good signal doesn't always mean anything useful
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> works with other devices no problem
[21:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> So which protocol is not working ?
[21:19] <cm13g09> evening mfa298
[21:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> some common router sw, tomato, ddwrt
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> I'll try uninstalling all antivirus
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> I've disabled all firewalling, but it makes no difference
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> same for disabling antivirus
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> mfa298: its winxp
[21:21] <mfa298> look up the command to rest the stack, it's a netsh command but I cant remember the complete command. If you had a 3rd party firewall insatlled they tend to leave bits lying around
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> I've already tried reboting and resetting winsock
[21:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> You haven't got a shared IP address causing problems have you ?
[21:22] <Laurenceb_> Geoff: no I dont think so
[21:22] <Laurenceb_> and it has a 192.168 address
[21:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> many times you can come arouns it by setting channel Automatic in home hub meny
[21:29] <mfa298> Laurenceb_: also upgrade, XP is old, crappy and unsupported
[21:29] <Laurenceb_> eeek someone installed avg
[21:29] <Laurenceb_> going to have to find avgkiller.exe or whatever its called
[21:29] <Laurenceb_> avg _is_ a virus
[21:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes it is, never again!
[21:30] <mfa298> if it's XP you really want antivirus on it
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[21:40] <Laurenceb_> this is _not_ going well
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> need to exterminate this thing with extreme prejudice
[21:42] <AndyEsser> when you lose connection, do you still have an IP address, and are able to ping the router?
[21:42] <AndyEsser> and if you manually assign a static IP - does it stay connected?
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> I still have an ip
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> I'll try pinging the router
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> but I'm a n00b at this stuff, what should the ip of the router be?
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> 192.168.1.1 ?
[21:43] <AndyEsser> depends, in theory can be anything
[21:44] <AndyEsser> if you do ipconfig /all
[21:44] <AndyEsser> it should show you the Default Gateway IP address -t hat's what you want to ping
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> likely choice but not always
[21:44] <AndyEsser> it'll be something like 192.168.x.1 or 192.168.x.254 (where x will be like 0, or 1)
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> try "ipconfig /renew" and see if that returns conectivity
[21:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> it refreshs all the adaptors
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> I'll test this on a linux machine on the same network first
[21:45] <AndyEsser> not a particularly helpful comment - but BT HomeHubs are shite
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> inet addr:192.168.1.64 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
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[21:46] <Laurenceb_> I dont see a gateway
[21:46] <AndyEsser> Laurenceb_: on linux do: route -n
[21:46] <AndyEsser> Laurenceb_: that line you showed suggests linux, not windows
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> yeah I'm testing on linux
[21:46] <AndyEsser> ok
[21:46] <AndyEsser> then do: route -n
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> ok found gateway
[21:46] <AndyEsser> you should see a line like
[21:47] <AndyEsser> 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
[21:47] <AndyEsser> that second column is the gateway
[21:47] <AndyEsser> (ie what you should ping)
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> yeah I can't ping it from windows
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> can from linux
[21:47] <AndyEsser> hmm
[21:47] <AndyEsser> is this the same device (dual boot, or whatever)?
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> no
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> two devices connected to the hub
[21:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> In Windows go to the Adaptor and open the Status window then details and you will see all the IP settings
[21:48] <AndyEsser> hmm, without having a cable to test, or another WiFi Adapter
[21:48] <AndyEsser> but if the linux device doesn't have an issue
[21:48] <AndyEsser> suggests the WiFi adapter on the windows box
[21:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> is a built in adaptor or an added dongle ?
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> built in
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> its a atheros pci card I think
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> so it should have the right drivers
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> it was working for years
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> suddenly its being weird
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[21:51] <Laurenceb_> its getting packets back
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> received packet count is going up, slowly
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[21:52] <Laurenceb_> I'll try restarting now I hopefully killed avg
[21:55] <Laurenceb_> nope still broken :-/
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[22:00] <AndyEsser> Night all
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