highaltitude.log.20160105

[00:00] <Vaizki> well I can't second guess their biz math :)
[00:00] <Oddstr13> it's not exactly good pr for them tho
[00:01] <Vaizki> I think a lot more people are shelling out for E4s now than before...
[00:01] <Oddstr13> that is true
[00:02] <Vaizki> but the people who need an E8 camera and need traceable calibration etc, they will still pay 5k+
[00:02] <Vaizki> it's nothing in those budgets
[00:02] <Oddstr13> fair point
[00:05] <Vaizki> it's nice that there's also a visual camera on these and it combines the images to enhance edges etc
[00:05] <Vaizki> much easier to see for example components on a circuit board, what part is heating up etc
[00:10] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: got a picture of the circuit breaker you mentioned earlier here?
[00:11] <Vaizki> no unfortunately not.. but I have covers off my breaker panel right now so I could go and take a pic? :)
[00:12] <Oddstr13> that would've been nice, but I guess you allready fixed the loose wire issue :P
[00:12] <Vaizki> I should take more pics.. usually I just walk around looking at live image without storing pics
[00:12] <Oddstr13> yea ^^
[00:13] <Vaizki> only reason I store pics is to share them on IRC really..
[00:13] <Oddstr13> would've been interesting to see things like the arduino and such too
[00:13] <Oddstr13> do you also get a raw image from it?
[00:14] <Vaizki> yes it stores a thermal image and visual image separately + a composite
[00:14] <Vaizki> so you can place measurements "post mortem" on it
[00:14] <Oddstr13> as in, the raw thermal data, not the colorized output
[00:14] <Vaizki> yes
[00:14] <Oddstr13> nice
[00:15] <Vaizki> you can change emissivity etc after the fact in the image viewer
[00:17] <Oddstr13> as I understood it from the sparkfun product video, the contrast in the FLiR is so great that it's impossible to represent it all with colors
[00:17] <Oddstr13> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92f6WH-qvg <-- video in question
[00:20] <Vaizki> ok well good thing you got me to image the breaker panel :O
[00:21] <Vaizki> there's a hot contactor (not sure if that's the right word) in there
[00:22] <Oddstr13> a contactor is simmilar to a rellay
[00:22] <Vaizki> yes
[00:23] <Oddstr13> often used for controlling motors
[00:23] <Vaizki> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/FLIR0055.jpg
[00:23] <Vaizki> can you spot it...
[00:23] <Oddstr13> it's kinda hard to miss
[00:24] <Oddstr13> 50-60 degrees celcius? that's relativly hot I'd say
[00:25] <Vaizki> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/FLIR0056.jpg
[00:25] <Vaizki> over 70
[00:25] <Oddstr13> ouch
[00:26] <Oddstr13> you're getting close to the core temperature of my router :P
[00:26] <Oddstr13> http://solvang.openshell.no/bash-rrd-graphs/sys-temp/armada_thermal-temp1.html
[00:26] <Vaizki> but as you can see the visual overlay helps by providing the edges
[00:26] <Vaizki> so you can find the right relay etc
[00:28] <Oddstr13> I guess the white edges are done with a edge detection algorithm of the visual image
[00:28] <Vaizki> yup
[00:29] <Vaizki> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/FLIR0055%201.jpg
[00:29] <Vaizki> thermal without the edge detection
[00:29] <Vaizki> and note, this is the hacked one.. the unhacked version has 1/16 of the pixels
[00:30] <Oddstr13> ye, same resolution as the module sparfun sells, 80x60
[00:32] <Vaizki> well it's a completely different technology apparently
[00:32] <Vaizki> lepton sensors are SPI readable with a couple of leads..
[00:33] <Vaizki> this is a BGA package with a load of contacts to the pcb
[00:33] <Oddstr13> yea, that's what makes those awesome
[00:35] <Vaizki> I prefer 320x240 awesome until I figure some kind of homebrew project that needs thermal imaging..
[00:37] <Oddstr13> yea, if the spi module had 320x240 for the same price, I just might have bought it just cause.
[00:39] <Vaizki> it doesn't matter at all in closeup shots but with 320x240 I can just stand back 10 feet and take a single overview pic
[00:39] <Vaizki> damn I am starting to talk imperial
[00:39] <Oddstr13> where's the bot? :P
[00:40] <Vaizki> no idea maybe he's as drunk as I am
[00:40] <Oddstr13> offline it seems
[00:40] <Vaizki> so must be time to turn in!
[00:41] <Vaizki> and thus I am off to sleep&
[00:41] <Oddstr13> good night
[00:41] <Oddstr13> btw, got a link to that firmware hack?
[00:42] <Oddstr13> could be a interesting read even tho I don't have a camera... yet
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[01:23] <Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/wyHQRkb.jpg
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[01:37] <Laurenceb_> http://i.stack.imgur.com/zcw94.jpg
[01:37] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[01:48] <Rob_vk1kw> PS-59 Balloon is up any info please
[01:49] <Laurenceb_> probably another party balloon
[01:49] <Laurenceb_> dunno how they are getting such long flight times
[01:50] <Rob_vk1kw> Sure enough - just so good to get a stable height - 10.1387 wspr and JT9 dont know freq yet
[01:51] <Rob_vk1kw> currently up - PS-56 mid Pacific second time around if still up cw only 30m 1000hz approx
[01:53] <Rob_vk1kw> PS-57 & PS-58 in the wind 30m wspr and JT9
[01:55] <Rob_vk1kw> PS-57 JT9 1100 Hz & PS-58 JT9 1700HZ please correct me if not right
[01:56] <Rob_vk1kw> huh - PS-59 JT9 freq 1956Hz last decode
[02:01] <Rob_vk1kw> PS-59 stable at alt 9509meters - just magic
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[07:02] <mactunes> Good morning, anyone here with HAB experience in Germany, especially in NRW?
[07:03] <mactunes> Asking because there have been some regulation changes very recently. Maybe someone has gone through this before?
[07:03] <vk5hs> hi vk5ei can you please tell me what frequency and mode ps-59 is on thanks Ivan
[07:13] <realborg> mactunes, in .at it's just not possible
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[07:14] <mactunes> it was very much possible in NRW, but then they put out this new regulation: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:281:0001:0066:EN:PDF
[07:15] <mactunes> there is on paragraph that says: "An unmanned freeballoon shall not be operated in such a manner that impact of the balloon, or any part thereof, including its payload, with the surface of the earth, creates a hazard to persons or property."
[07:16] <mactunes> and because that's nearly impossible to guarantee the authorities are now unsure what to do...
[07:16] <mactunes> I launched 4 balloons last year and all of them got approved without any issues
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[07:21] <realborg> it seems lawmakers are inept of reason
[07:21] <realborg> either they make outright dangerous laws (like in switzerland)
[07:22] <realborg> or they outlaw it completely (like at de cz)
[07:23] <realborg> i wonder what at or de would do about a hab coming from ch - send a diplomatic protest?
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[07:32] <mactunes> :D not sure about that one, but the new regulation clearly states that you have to get permission from every country your balloon can fly over.
[07:33] <realborg> swiss regulation do not require a permission at all
[07:36] <mactunes> that would be so nice if we could to that here! but to be fair every state interprets this regulation a little different. so it might very much be possible that I could launch this from another part of Germany
[07:39] <realborg> https://www.bazl.admin.ch/bazl/de/home/gutzuwissen/ballone--kinderballone-und-freiballone-.html
[07:41] <mactunes> this looks very reasonable
[07:42] <mactunes> i wouldn't have a problem launching this in switzerland if it wasn't a sponsored event for a group of kids. driving all kids to switzerland and getting approval from their parents would cause quite some problems :)
[07:46] <realborg> this does not only look dangerous, there have already been several incidents
[07:48] <realborg> i am nonetheless considering a launch from switzerland since these regulations *allow* you to coordinate with air traffic control
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[07:49] <mactunes> this is what we had in germany before this regulation change. you aligned with the german flight authorities and everyone was happy
[07:49] <realborg> and to build a balloon/payload that wouln't hurt someone
[07:49] <mactunes> unless you stayed below 500g for the whole train (which we did). in that case you would not need their permission but we aligned with them anyhow
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[07:50] <mactunes> the question is, how can you guarantee such a thing?
[07:50] <realborg> no matter what the lawmakers say, it's good airmanship to coordinate with ATC and NOTAM pilots
[07:51] <realborg> in the easy case: use a parachute and styrofoam casing
[07:52] <realborg> however, I want to build a powered balloon which can steer back to it's launch site
[07:52] <mactunes> that's what we do and the payload itself is only 100g at most. but we cannot guarantee that there will be no harm
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[07:53] <realborg> so you can argue that you have taken every conceivable precaution
[08:04] <mactunes> that's what i did. let's see how it goes
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[08:16] <R6mco> I think I spotted PS-57 this night
[08:17] <R6mco> 2016-01-05 01:00 VK3YT 10.140152 -24 1 LF51 1 PA3FYM2 JO22nf 11021 334
[08:31] <fsphil> sweet
[08:32] <fsphil> nice to see HF being used well
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[08:39] <eroomde> ben gelb used to do some good hf stuff for launch out to the atlantic
[08:39] <eroomde> from MIT
[08:39] <eroomde> that was about 2008/2009 iirc
[08:39] <eroomde> i wonder what he's up to nowadays...
[08:40] <eroomde> google 2009-
[08:40] <eroomde> says linkdin
[08:42] <eroomde> the great black hole
[08:42] <eroomde> i wonder if dan has bumped into him
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[08:48] <fsphil> people who work at google do seem to disappear
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[08:59] <realborg> they relocated to "Eureka" ;)
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[09:22] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrC2oZmx94M
[09:22] <fsphil> IR video from the falcon 9 reentry
[09:23] <fsphil> they have a better camera than you Vaizki :)
[09:24] <Vaizki> o'rly.. :)
[09:25] <Vaizki> and it's mid-wave not long-wave
[09:27] <fsphil> quite a kick at 27 seconds
[09:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03hkLo1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLo1
[09:36] <eroomde> 'mars relevent retropropulsion regieme'
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[09:36] <eroomde> nice
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[09:40] <R6mco> I see that just a few minutes ago that hkLo1 was launched
[09:41] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[10:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUS after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
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[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VA2RMG-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
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[12:01] <fab4space> :q
[12:02] <fab4space> wrong terminal sorry :p
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[12:02] <Vaizki> take the bus to terminal 2
[12:02] <Vaizki> argh
[12:09] <fsphil> if you insist
[12:11] <Vaizki> sorry my mistake
[12:12] <Vaizki> terminal 4 is the right one
[12:16] <lz1dev> vim is great way for generating random character sequences
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[12:24] <fsphil> there's been a few times where I've screwed up a document in vim and just :q! and start again
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[12:25] <lz1dev> uuuuu
[12:25] <adamgreig> ;e!
[12:25] <gonzo_> I'm still in the era of RYRYRY
[12:26] <fsphil> didn't know that one adamgreig, ta
[12:26] <gonzo_> Out of data error. Redo from start.
[12:27] <adamgreig> it's the same 'e' as 'edit some other file in this buffer' but if you don't give a filename it edits the current file
[12:27] <lz1dev> did you alias ; to ^: ? :)
[12:28] <adamgreig> to : not to ^:
[12:28] <lz1dev> oh though its shift+;
[12:28] <adamgreig> https://github.com/adamgreig/dotvim/blob/master/vimrc#L129-L131
[12:28] <adamgreig> ^ is ctrl not shift, but in any event you don't need to
[12:28] <fsphil> even better
[12:28] <adamgreig> just noremap ; :
[12:28] <fsphil> most of my vim errors are missing the shift key
[12:29] <adamgreig> besides anything else it's just much nicer
[12:29] <adamgreig> also i use space as a leader so things like <space>w write, easier than ;w<enter>
[12:30] <lz1dev> i have this wierd bug where i set paste mode in vimrc, and powerline indicates that's on, but its not on :|
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[12:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-57 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57
[12:35] <kokey> wow, that's amazing
[12:35] <kokey> where's more info about PS-57?
[12:36] <kokey> and can we blame Darkside?
[12:38] <fsphil> not this time
[12:38] <fsphil> http://picospace.net/?p=1041
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[12:39] <fsphil> shame it didn't stay in the northern hemisphere
[12:41] <kokey> what radio is it using?
[12:42] <kokey> solar film pointing down?
[12:43] <kokey> I have so many questions
[12:52] <AndyEsser> they tracked PS-56 with no valid GPS signal :)
[13:05] <mfa298> only time I had real issues with vim for editing files was using a proper vt100 type console, when we found it didn't have an esc key after going into edit mode.
[13:06] <adamgreig> ^[
[13:07] <adamgreig> (is the same as esc)
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[13:09] <mfa298> annoyingly that was on the border firewall many (>10) years ago so we had no way to google the answer
[13:10] <adamgreig> lol
[13:11] <adamgreig> what did you do?
[13:13] <lz1dev> struggle
[13:14] <mfa298> I think at that point it was late so we gave up and left it for the next day
[13:48] <R6mco> I received PS-57 this night at 0100utc here in Europe
[13:49] <R6mco> didn't knew it was a balloon ; -)
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[14:38] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1469968#msg1469968
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[14:54] <KF5WYX> Good Afternoon UK
[14:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> kokey: if you want to know more about the PS balloons there was a interview with Andy in the last ukhas conference in London in aug 2015, you find it on youtube
[14:59] <kokey> SA6BSS-Mike ah, thanks
[15:00] <kokey> I went to the 2012 conference, loved it, but since had a startup, two new countries and a young son so I had to give up this hobby
[15:01] <KF5WYX> Kokey, you mean you let your real life get in the way of habbing?! shame on you. (me too).
[15:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> I?l allways thaught thar as the kids get older I got more time with my hobeys, man was I Wrong!
[15:03] <KF5WYX> I've avoided the kids thing so far, but it's coming. Since the first ukhas conference, three new jobs, three new homes, new country, and a marriage got started.
[15:03] <KF5WYX> Now a minor participant in the GSBC
[15:04] <kokey> well I have more time now that my son is 2 and I work only 40 hours per week, than I did when my son was 9 months and I worked 60+ hours per week
[15:06] <eroomde> good to see you back kokey
[15:07] <kokey> I even managed to solder together a wifi temperature sensor this past weekend using an esp8266
[15:07] <kokey> long time, eroomde :)
[15:07] <R6mco> Hi SA6BSS-Mike , I saw my weak Hell on your grabber
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[15:08] <eroomde> the decade anniverary of my first launch is this yr
[15:09] <kokey> ruddy hell, you been at it that long?
[15:09] <AndyEsser> eroomde: did you do launches when you were still at school?
[15:09] <eroomde> no cusf
[15:09] <eroomde> also the decade anniversity of cusf this year
[15:09] <KF5WYX> wow
[15:10] <kokey> hmmm, actually I remember reading about someone's launch, I think back in 2005/2006, in the UK, using a gps that sent telemtry over a gsm phone after landing (over sms I think?)
[15:10] <kokey> wonder if it's someone from here
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[15:11] <eroomde> pegasus 1?
[15:11] <kokey> my map memory seems to tell me it was over suffolk somewhere but I might just be confusing it with all the launches from cambridge
[15:11] <eroomde> yes
[15:11] <eroomde> pegasus
[15:11] <eroomde> jcoxon
[15:13] <kokey> ah yeah that's it
[15:14] <kokey> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/ is not quite what you would expect
[15:27] <eroomde> http://web.archive.org/web/20061116111724/http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/pegasus1.html
[15:27] <eroomde> there you go kokey
[15:29] <craag> Oh wow that's the gumstix one
[15:29] <craag> I had a very excited physics teacher send me a link to that at school at the time
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[15:33] <eroomde> and the rest is history
[15:35] <fsphil> using small linux computers before it was trendy
[15:36] <eroomde> http://web.archive.org/web/20061116111502/http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/pegasus3/pictures/construction/CIMG0145.JPG
[15:36] <eroomde> realising microcontrollers are better
[15:36] <eroomde> but those who don't learn from history are doomed to... etc
[15:37] <fsphil> I think I still have one of those phones
[15:37] <eroomde> the nokia 105 must have a serial port in there somewhere
[15:37] <fsphil> it has yeah
[15:37] <eroomde> an original-gangsta cutdown http://web.archive.org/web/20061116111359/http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/pegasus3/pictures/construction/NEWCUT.jpg
[15:37] <realborg> good old phones
[15:37] <fsphil> a few exposed pads under the battery iirc
[15:38] <eroomde> the sort of offset rows/triangle arrangement?
[15:38] <fsphil> I also still have an adaptor to rs232 port in a box for it
[15:38] <fsphil> yeah that sounds familiar
[15:39] <eroomde> that's what it used to be on the old nokias
[15:40] <eroomde> have doen many a bodge onto those pads
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[16:36] <Laurenceb_> what the heck happened to PS-57
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> maybe its weird atmospheric conditions but altitude jumped massively
[16:44] <kokey> eroomde: ah I remember that picture on the homepage so well
[16:44] <kokey> it was that and that guy from vancouver who had the failed glider attempt that sucked me in
[16:46] <eroomde> i think his glider worked at one point
[16:46] <eroomde> the canadian glider is what started cusf too
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[17:04] <Vaizki> ha got my gpsdo eBay hack job
[17:05] <Vaizki> Seems to agree with my siggen ocxo, difference at 10MHz is 0,042Hz
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[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:22] <Vaizki> hullo
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> february 9th
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> F2
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[18:59] <Vaizki> life is as good as it gets at -22 ... :)
[18:59] <Vaizki> tomorrow is a holiday and I have a roaring fire & scotch
[19:02] <Vaizki> down to 0.02Hz difference..
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-59 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-59
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[19:22] <eroomde> Vaizki: do you ever have to work for long periods outside in that temp?
[19:24] <Vaizki> well I don't really enjoy temps below -15 tbh so I mainly do snow clearing other must do jobs when it's that cold
[19:24] <Vaizki> but today my wife trimmed our apple trees for example
[19:25] <Vaizki> and other must do jobs..
[19:25] <adamgreig> how do the apple trees like -22?
[19:25] <Vaizki> they hibernate :)
[19:25] <fsphil> -22c would be a disaster here
[19:25] <Vaizki> which is a good time to cut them.. before spring anyway
[19:25] <Vaizki> forecast for northern Finland is -40 for tomorrow
[19:26] <Vaizki> that is.. brutal.
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhhhhh
[19:26] <Vaizki> but of course at these temps the air is very very dry so if there is no wind it doesn't really feel that cold
[19:26] <fsphil> googling.. the lowest temperature recorded in NI is -18c
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea, in dry weather temperature extremes are more bearable
[19:27] <Vaizki> a layer of warmer air forms around your skin
[19:27] <Vaizki> but if there is any wind.. which is rare at this cold temps here.. it's very very cold out there
[19:28] <Vaizki> I have a bit of asthma so I'm not too keen on working up a sweat in these temps
[19:28] <Vaizki> locks up my breathing if I heave in really cold air
[19:32] <Vaizki> but in general, -20 is not so bad.. main issue for me is gloves. I'm not a big mitten fan but gloves with fingers are just not warm enough (or they are expensive and stiff). At -35 I pretty much refuse to go outside any more.
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea can understand that
[19:32] <Vaizki> and to be fair I live on the southern coast here so we get is easy here
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> today there was a crap situation here
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> it was what we call "glatt"
[19:33] <Vaizki> freezing rain?
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> everything was layered with ice and driving and walking was difficult
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:33] <Vaizki> yea
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> I acutally slipped three times but could compensate
[19:33] <Vaizki> very rare here
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> also buses were not driving until the afternoon
[19:35] <Vaizki> we get small batches of rain where the water is below zero and freezes instantly
[19:35] <Vaizki> but not like they got at Lake Geneva for example
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:36] <Vaizki> http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2012/02/deep-freeze-spreads-across-europe/e01_RTR2XCJF/main_1200.jpg
[19:37] <Vaizki> that's crazy at lake geneva..
[19:37] <Vaizki> although I think that has to do with surf whipped up from the lake and blown to shore
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:41] <fsphil> it's nice being surrounded by the atlantic ocean. wet all the time, but we don't get the huge temperature swings
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> in the north sea, a ferry ran onto ground this morning carrying 650 people
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> at around 7
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> fortunately it got going again with the flood at 7:30 pm
[19:45] <Vaizki> oh ffffff... revised weather forecast.. thursday -30 here down south
[19:46] <Vaizki> I am going to work from home if that happens
[19:46] <eroomde> where are you?
[19:46] <eroomde> seems mad it can be like 10-12 in england and -30 in findland
[19:46] <eroomde> without a huge change in latitude
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[19:48] <realborg> -7°C here and I am 6° south of london
[19:48] <eroomde> i guess there are some quite far inland bits of finland
[19:48] <eroomde> i presume that's the case with you too realborg
[19:48] <Vaizki> eroomde: we are not IN the gulf stream..
[19:49] <Vaizki> I am in Espoo, not so far from the coast
[19:49] <eroomde> your situation espoo
[19:50] <Vaizki> sea is not frozen yet either but will be very soon at this rate
[19:51] <Vaizki> and btw it was +10 here just 10 days ago or so
[19:53] <realborg> eroomde, about 16° inland
[19:54] <realborg> Vaizki, same here - almost 20° drop in a few days
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[19:57] <Vaizki> well I have a jacket.. http://www.mountainhardwear.com/mens-absolute-zero-parka-OM4775.html
[19:57] <Vaizki> and some pants.. http://www.jack-wolfskin.com/atmosphere-down-pants-men/1501141-6000002.html
[19:57] <Vaizki> and wool felt lined boots
[19:57] <Vaizki> so I'm toasty :)
[20:00] <realborg> Vaizki, I'm cheap :) http://www.banggood.com/Thicken-Mens-Winter-Polar-Fleece-Lining-Windproof-Cargo-Pants-p-959719.html http://www.banggood.com/Winter-Mens-Cotton-Coat-Fashion-Casual-Warm-Outdoor-Jacket-p-952991.html
[20:03] <Vaizki> well I bought that jacket at -70% in an outlet mall in Seattle, WA
[20:04] <Vaizki> I would never have bought it at sticker price
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[20:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> R6mco: ok, what time, have to have a look :)
[20:31] <Ian_> Lunar_Lander, BabyDoctor?
[20:31] <Ian_> F1
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> Ian_, ?
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[21:53] <Vaizki> so after about 4 hours of settling, the ebay gpsdo and anritsu siggen ocxo are only 0.004 Hz apart
[21:53] <Vaizki> I think that's.. amazing.. :O
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[21:55] <Vaizki> I also think I might be enjoying looking at these scope traces a bit more than is considered healthy...
[22:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Yyyyh_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Yyyyh_chase
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[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> actually I named a launch date for F2 and nobody noticed
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:40] <Ian_> Are you a doctor F1 > F2 ?
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> no :)
[22:41] <Ian_> OK thought you were saying 9 Feb moving to F2
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok :)
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> no we will finally fly
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> what was planned for xmas 2014
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:43] <Ian_> Good luck - for the flight
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:44] <Vaizki> break a leg!
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhh
[22:48] <AndyEsser> Lunar_Lander: is it a lunar lander?
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> hopefully more like a stratosphere balloon
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:51] <AndyEsser> :)
[22:52] <AndyEsser> Random q - that I assume someone might be able to help
[22:52] <AndyEsser> If I wanted to run a mathematical model of an aerodynamic surface to determine for example lift, drag, etc - is that a good program already to do that?
[22:52] <AndyEsser> Or should I write something myself?
[22:54] <adamgreig> yea there are programs
[22:54] <adamgreig> it's quite an involved thing really i guess
[22:54] <AndyEsser> O yea - didn't think it'd be simple :)
[22:54] <AndyEsser> MatLab seems to come up on my first search
[22:54] <adamgreig> there are a few open source things
[22:54] <adamgreig> openfoam?
[22:55] <AndyEsser> o0o0
[22:55] <AndyEsser> hadn't seen that
[22:55] <adamgreig> ansys, fluent
[22:56] <AndyEsser> the Ansys website appears to be a bit borked
[22:56] <AndyEsser> every link seems to end up at their 404 page
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