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[00:19] <vk5hs> good morning Mark is the launch expected approx 1100hrs
[00:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PICOHORUSBINARY after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PICOHORUSBINARY
[00:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUS after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
[00:22] <adamgreig> ;w;w
[00:22] <adamgreig> lol this isn't vim
[00:26] <andyvk5> vk5hs: i think that is the plan, it looks like they are gariving to a launch site
[00:29] <andyvk5> aparently the horus baloon is away
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[00:46] <Darkside> hey vk5hs
[00:46] <Darkside> its up
[00:53] <vk5hs> hi yes peter vk5flex & I are tracking it
[00:53] <vk5hs> hopefully can upload data as it comes towards us at renmark
[00:53] <Darkside> yep
[00:54] <Darkside> once it gets a bit higher you will be able to ge tit
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[01:04] <vk5hs> why are we seeing 2 ballons is there only 1 with 2 transmitters ?
[01:07] <vk5ei> hi guys tracking horus :)
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[01:10] <vk5ei> maybe due to two announced payloads
[01:10] <Darkside> yeah
[01:10] <Darkside> its the one physica payload, sending 2 different signals
[01:11] <Darkside> one is the 'RTTY' signal (decodable in dl-fldigi), which has the start/stop bits
[01:11] <Darkside> the other is the 'raw' FSK signal, which has no start/stop bits, and will show as gibberish in dl-fldigi
[01:11] <vk5ei> yep seeing the gibber :)
[01:12] <Darkside> cool :D
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[01:12] <vk5fj> .
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[01:14] <Darkside> vk5hs: you gys should be seeing the signal shortly
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[01:14] <Darkside> vk5hs: the current dial frequency on kim's FT-847 is 434.647MHZ USB
[01:14] <Darkside> its drifted a bit
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[01:16] <andyvk5> im not having any luck here with this RTL dongle
[01:17] <andyvk5> no sight of anything looking like rtty/fsk on the waterfall
[01:17] <Darkside> damn
[01:17] <Darkside> what antenna andyvk5 ?
[01:17] <vk5ei> maybe antenna, look for a local beacon
[01:18] <andyvk5> i thought the lofty beacons were down
[01:18] <Darkside> they are
[01:18] <Darkside> sanity check with a handheld?
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[01:18] <vk5hs> not seeing it yet in renmark
[01:18] <Darkside> vk5hs: ok
[01:19] <Darkside> vk5hs: its onlt just above your horizon
[01:19] <Darkside> blue ring on the tracker is radio horizon, green ring is where it's at 5 degrees elevation
[01:19] <Darkside> so its probably <1 degree above the horizon at the moment
[01:21] <vk5ei> sig s9 here using 11 ele yagi + preamp
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[01:21] <Darkside> cool
[01:22] <vk5ei> telemetry dashboard
[01:22] <vk5ei> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/HORUS#d
[01:22] <Darkside> heh cool
[01:22] <Darkside> i knew that existed, but couldnt remember the URL..
[01:26] <vk5ei> climb rate slow
[01:27] <Darkside> yep
[01:27] <Darkside> intentional
[01:27] <Darkside> it *may* float
[01:27] <Darkside> might not too
[01:28] <Darkside> vk5hs: my dads decoding in whyalla!
[01:29] <Darkside> vk5hs: youshould be hearing it soon
[01:29] <Darkside> tune around a bit, as its a bit low in frequency
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[01:31] <vk5ei> 434.647 here
[01:36] <vk5fpaw> Man.. I hate it when the error is in the check digits!
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[02:31] <Darkside> hmm we're starting to get errors here
[02:31] <Darkside> vk5ei: you seem to still be doing well!
[02:32] <vk5ei> so far so good, what type of errors?
[02:35] <Darkside> ah just low SNR stuf atm
[02:35] <Darkside> vk5ei: so you are running the octave modem, right?
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[02:37] <vk5ei> neg fldigi
[02:38] <Darkside> ohhhhh
[02:38] <Darkside> interesting
[02:38] <Darkside> damn
[02:38] <Darkside> the binary modem is performing away better
[02:38] <Darkside> way better*
[02:39] <Darkside> definitely a bit more involved to get going, and does require linux
[02:41] <vk5ei> linux illiterate here :(
[02:42] <Darkside> ahhh
[02:42] <Darkside> ok..
[02:42] <Darkside> the binary payload is far shorted, and also has FEC applied
[02:43] <Darkside> shorter*
[02:44] <vk5ei> rr good to try new methods
[02:44] <Darkside> yeah
[02:44] <Darkside> we're tryin gto get away from modems which are just in fl-digi
[02:44] <Darkside> because thats quite limiting
[02:44] <vk5ei> good idea
[02:44] <Darkside> and modems like JT65/etc arent really suitable for fast update rate tracking
[02:45] <Darkside> like what we need when its descending and we're trying to get into place to catch it
[02:46] <vk5ei> i wondered why
[02:46] <Darkside> 1 minute between updates it not useful for us
[02:48] <vk5ei> vk3meg maybe detecting signal
[02:49] <Darkside> oh cool
[02:49] <Darkside> yeah if we could get receivers in VK3 that'd be good
[02:53] <vk5ei> stays in flight Im sure you will
[02:54] <Darkside> cool
[02:58] <vk5ei> drifty
[03:01] <Darkside> yeah
[03:01] <Darkside> not well insulated
[03:11] <vk5hs> hi mark is anyone hearing rtty signals ?
[03:13] <Darkside> yes1
[03:13] <Darkside> we are
[03:13] <Darkside> you should be able to hear it now
[03:13] <Darkside> its drifitng pretty badly by the way
[03:13] <Darkside> so you will need to tune up and down a bit to find it
[03:13] <Darkside> 434.648MHz USB is where we have it at the moment
[03:14] <vk5ei> noticing some short pausing in telemetry ?
[03:14] <Darkside> the payload is about 4 degrees above your horizon at the moment
[03:14] <Darkside> vk5ei: there's a few short pauses between the ASCII and FSK
[03:14] <Darkside> and if thers a sequence of zeros in teh FSK, that'll get transmitted
[03:14] <Darkside> no data whitening at the moment
[03:15] <vk5ei> rr
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[03:23] <vk5ei> signal weaker now may lose it soon :(
[03:24] <Darkside> noooo
[03:24] <Darkside> oh it'll be heading behind the hills for you soon
[03:24] <Darkside> vk5hs: you may be the only one wo can decode it soon!
[03:27] <Vk5FLEX> I recently departed VK5HS qth nothing heard
[03:30] <vk5hs> downloading data now but bad check sums
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[03:32] <Darkside> vk5hs: ok keep at it please
[03:32] <Darkside> vk5hs: so are you seeing some snippets of data?
[03:32] <Darkside> vk5hs: it should keep on getting better
[03:33] <vk5hs> yes can read lat long etc
[03:33] <Darkside> ok
[03:33] <Darkside> but its not going green up to?
[03:33] <Darkside> up top*
[03:34] <vk5hs> says it uploaded data but no going green
[03:34] <vk5fj> cool =)
[03:34] <Darkside> so you're in the HAB mode?
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[03:34] <vk5hs> bad in check sum box
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[03:34] <Darkside> vk5hs: yeah ok
[03:34] <Darkside> yyou should eventually get some good packetds as it gets higher in elevation
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[03:35] <Darkside> Simon_VK3SMC: hey
[03:35] <Ian_> Darkside - Happy NY - going to bed, but can you point to info re your RAW FSK data or discuss another night - Yes no is good for now
[03:36] <Darkside> https://github.com/darksidelemm/PicoHorusBinary
[03:36] <Darkside> yeah
[03:36] <Darkside> we'll document a bit more about it
[03:36] <Darkside> but the code is all there
[03:36] <Ian_> Tks & Good hunting
[03:36] <Darkside> vk5hs: what antenna/radio are yo using?
[03:36] <vk5hs> just sent ok green
[03:36] <Darkside> SWEET
[03:36] <Darkside> :D
[03:37] <vk5hs> vk5flex have success at last if you want to come back here
[03:38] <Flex_> Ok
[03:38] <Darkside> ok we're goin got head home via mt lofty
[03:38] <Darkside> se eif we can hear anything from there
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[03:44] <Simon_VK3SMC> Hello
[03:45] <Simon_VK3SMC> Just waiting for the balloon
[03:50] <vk5ei> great simon :)
[03:50] <vk5hs> mark using icom 7000 vertial antenna
[03:52] <vk5fj> max: 5527 f: 1295 fshift 480 ppm: 234 Eb/No: 2.9 SNR: -11.8 bits: 1101
[03:53] <vk5fj> i don't think i'll get more decodes on the binary packets ...
[03:56] <vk5ei> s/n 19dB now
[03:57] <vk5fj> signal has dissappeared into the noise here
[03:58] <vk5fj> not visuale in the fldigi waterfall
[04:02] <Simon_VK3SMC> What height is this balloon expected to reach today?
[04:14] <vk5ei> mark will know lot more alt I think
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[04:23] <Darkside> ok
[04:23] <Darkside> hey all
[04:23] <Darkside> we're up near summertown
[04:23] <Darkside> can decode it from here
[04:24] <Darkside> Simon_VK3SMC: it *should* get to maybe 28km
[04:24] <Darkside> and it might float
[04:24] <vk5ei> well done
[04:24] <Simon_VK3SMC> Excellent. Nothing on the waterfall here yet.
[04:24] <Darkside> yeah
[04:24] <vk5fj> 1,1635,04:24:05,-35.043610,140.824493,16841,48,9,-19,153,6664 CRC OK
[04:24] <vk5fj> put up the yagi, decoding some binary packets
[04:25] <Darkside> problem is as it gets higher it will start to come back towards us!
[04:25] <Darkside> vk5fj: nice
[04:25] <vk5ei> you might be able to recover :)
[04:25] <Darkside> hahaha
[04:25] <Darkside> i don tthink we'll bother wiht this one
[04:25] <vk5fj> or maybe not ... that could be the last good from from the vertical before i switched over to the yagi
[04:26] <vk5fj> max: 7742 f: 1629 fshift 470 ppm: -31 Eb/No: 5.8 SNR: -9.0 bits: 1121 1,1642,04:25:29,-35.046570,140.836594,17001,46,8,-18,153,20aa CRC OK
[04:26] <Darkside> oh nah you got another one
[04:26] <Darkside> sweet
[04:26] <vk5fj> another good one =)
[04:26] <vk5fj> ok
[04:26] <vk5fj> i'll let this run on the binary capture
[04:26] <vk5fj> there is dog walking iminent
[04:26] <vk5fj> BBL =)
[04:26] <Darkside> cool
[04:26] <Darkside> vk5ei: how are you going?
[04:26] <Darkside> vk5ei: what kind of SNR margin do you think you have?
[04:27] <vk5ei> s3 on icom 910H
[04:27] <Darkside> hah nice
[04:27] <Darkside> should be good for a while then haha
[04:28] <vk5ei> altitude is helping
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[04:33] <vk5hs> many successfull uploads now
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[04:35] <vk5ei> well done :)
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[04:43] <vk5ei> horizon into melb now :)
[04:50] <Darkside> oh cool
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[04:54] <Darkside> vk5ei: shoudl strt turning soon.
[04:54] <Darkside> then we'll see if it floats..
[04:55] <vk5ei> :)
[04:56] <Darkside> woo 20km
[04:56] <Darkside> i don't like that increased ascent rate though
[04:56] <Darkside> hah yep its turned around
[05:00] <vk5ei> very cool
[05:01] <Darkside> nope its doing a loop
[05:01] <Darkside> haha
[05:02] <vk5ei> interesting
[05:05] <Darkside> looks like i might need to back up the hill :-)
[05:05] <Darkside> to keep the binary team going :p
[05:05] <Darkside> vk5ei: just as a note, the binary modem was plugging away happily when fldigi was having no hope at all
[05:06] <Darkside> your antenna system is making up for fldigi's shortcoming quite well :P
[05:07] <Darkside> we'll eventually get it into a state which windows users can use it
[05:07] <vk5ei> that would be great
[05:09] <vk5hs> which system is the temp etc being forwarded on ?
[05:09] <Darkside> eh?
[05:09] <Darkside> vk5hs: temperature is measured on the radio modem IC's silicon
[05:09] <Darkside> so its actully going to be quite a bit higher than ambient
[05:10] <vk5hs> is the info on the rtty or binary system ?
[05:10] <Darkside> its the same hardware
[05:11] <Darkside> so same physical modem, just transmitting different arrangements of bits
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[05:12] <vk5hs> i can not see temp & height on rtty ?
[05:12] <Darkside> its there
[05:12] <vk5hs> ok
[05:13] <vk5fj> the Tx Freq is moving around so much that fldigi can not track the RTTY
[05:13] <Darkside> should be somehtring like $$$$HORUS,counter,time,latitude,longitude,altitude,speed,sats,temperature,battery
[05:13] <Darkside> wow is it that bad
[05:13] <Darkside> vk5fj: get a recording
[05:14] <Darkside> will be interesting to see how the binary modem handles it
[05:14] <vk5fj> max: 8206 f: 1244 fshift 317 ppm: 385 Eb/No: 2.3 SNR: -12.5 bits: 32011
[05:14] <vk5fj> QSL
[05:14] <Darkside> though i think your SNR is a bit low
[05:14] <Darkside> oh yeah the EB/No is way too low to decode
[05:15] <vk5hs> thanks now we understand
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[05:16] <vk5fj> vk5hs: i haven't has an ASCII RTTY decode in quite a while
[05:16] <vk5fj> vk5hs: you using fldigi ?
[05:16] <Darkside> vk5fj: you havent had a binary decode in a while either
[05:16] <vk5fj> yeah
[05:16] <vk5fj> 1,51538,32:71:39,-43.197838,0.000000,39942,165,31,-11,128,df08 CRC BAD
[05:17] <vk5fj> almost
[05:18] <VK2DLI> interesting excercise, what is the freq I should be using on FLdigi?
[05:18] <vk5ei> struggling here now mark :(
[05:18] <Darkside> vk5ei: well its coming back towards us
[05:18] <Darkside> VK2DLI: its aroung 434.650MHz
[05:18] <Darkside> not sure of the exact dial frequency at the moment
[05:19] <vk5fj> previous binary packet looked like this;
[05:19] <vk5fj> 1,1847,01:142:217,-41.591431,141.034561,21118,12,7,-17,152,44d5
[05:19] <VK2DLI> cheers thanks I am using the HAB version
[05:19] <vk5fj> CRC BAD
[05:19] <Darkside> VK2DLI: where are you located?
[05:20] <VK2DLI> east coast but I dont think I will get to hear it
[05:20] <Darkside> yeah its headin gback into VK5
[05:20] <Darkside> it won't get above the horizon for you
[05:21] <VK2DLI> yep I know - it was worthwhile setting everything up tho
[05:25] <VK2DLI> so are horus and picohorusbinary going to deflate (explode) at high altitude and be recovered ?
[05:26] <Darkside> not sure yet
[05:26] <Darkside> the hope is that it might float
[05:26] <Darkside> but it may very well just burst at 28km or so and come crashing down
[05:27] <VK2DLI> so is a party balloon? like PS-58?
[05:27] <Darkside> nope
[05:27] <Darkside> its a latex balloon
[05:27] <Darkside> party balloons don't get this high
[05:28] <VK2DLI> so just inflated enough to keep it lower - sorry for the questions - just very interested
[05:29] <vk5fj> Darkside: do you have the launch video up yet ?
[05:29] <Darkside> its uploading now
[05:29] <Darkside> 6 min remaining
[05:30] <vk5ei> ever since it changed direction signal went weak here
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[05:30] <vk5ei> maybe ant at different angle ?
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[05:30] <vk5hs> vk5fj yes i am using fldigi
[05:30] <Darkside> hrm
[05:31] <Darkside> i'd be surprised if the antenna stayed in one position
[05:31] <Darkside> normally the payloads swing or spin beneath the balloon
[05:31] <Darkside> but its possibe
[05:33] <vk5fj> vk5hs: i can no longer see the RTTY signal, just the burst of binary as a pair of dots
[05:33] <Darkside> hrm
[05:33] <vk5ei> when moving fast ant would be horizontal pol ?
[05:33] <Darkside> vk5ei: nah it should be
[05:33] <Darkside> shouldn't*
[05:33] <Darkside> generally the payload will hang beneath the balloon, moving at the same speed as the surrounding air
[05:34] <Darkside> but its possible the ground plane (a few bits of wire) could have been mangled at launch
[05:34] <Darkside> skewing the radiation pattern
[05:34] <Darkside> launch video almost uploaded, you'll see what i mean
[05:34] <Simon_VK3SMC> Booo, Does not like Victoria
[05:34] <vk5fj> Simon_VK3SMC: too windy by the look of it =)
[05:35] <Simon_VK3SMC> its amazing how different the upper winds can be from the lower.
[05:36] <Darkside> yeah
[05:36] <Darkside> ok guys
[05:37] <Darkside> here's the launch video: https://youtu.be/IhDcQ_lk5Js
[05:38] <vk5hs> are you seeing my data?
[05:38] <Darkside> yep
[05:39] <Darkside> you're doing a great job decoding there ivan
[05:39] <vk5hs> my map is not updating
[05:39] <Darkside> ah
[05:39] <Darkside> maybe refresh the pag
[05:39] <vk5fj> VK5KJP is also decoding again =)
[05:40] <Simon_VK3SMC> Sure looked like it was going to hit the ground on launch
[05:40] <Darkside> yeah
[05:40] <Darkside> definitely freaked me out a bit
[05:40] <Darkside> and it didn't really go up for quite a while!
[05:40] <Darkside> just kind of hovered along at 550m, getting pushed down by the wind
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[05:44] <vk5ei> lucky no trees
[05:44] <Darkside> yup
[05:44] <Darkside> i did think it was going to hit one of them
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[05:45] <vk5ei> you were waving your arms in panic :)
[05:45] <vk5hs> closed habhub &? reopened all good updating now
[05:45] <Darkside> cool
[05:45] <Darkside> vk5ei: yep
[05:46] <vk5ei> I suppose the risk when you under inflate
[05:46] <Darkside> well it definitely ended up with the desired ascent rate (~1m/s)
[05:46] <Simon_VK3SMC> How much % was the balloon inflated?
[05:46] <Darkside> but in the high winds we had, the wind blows the balloon down
[05:47] <Darkside> Simon_VK3SMC: kind of hard to say
[05:47] <Darkside> but it was approx 0.3m^3 of helium
[05:47] <Darkside> about 80cm diameter
[05:48] <Darkside> it'll get up to a few metres diameter before bursting
[05:49] <Simon_VK3SMC> Cool, what size was the ballon you used?
[05:49] <Simon_VK3SMC> i am guessing at 30kms altitude that balloon would be about 2 meters in diameter?
[05:50] <Darkside> probably 3m diameter
[05:51] <Simon_VK3SMC> Cool. So the best practice is to have the biggest ballon with the lightest payload and the least about of gas to gain the best height.
[05:52] <Darkside> so now we're getting closer to the 'danger zone'
[05:52] <Darkside> Simon_VK3SMC: thats the idea
[05:52] <Darkside> doesnt always work!
[05:53] <Darkside> so pretty soon we'll find out if it's going to float or burst
[05:55] <Darkside> predicted burst is at 29km
[05:56] <Darkside> we'll see i guess.,
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[06:04] <VK2DLI> I thought for a minute there the climb rate was slowing
[06:07] <vk5hs_> why has the temp climbed so much >
[06:07] <Darkside> ahh this is normal
[06:08] <Darkside> ill see if i can find a link explainin git
[06:09] <Darkside> hrm not really
[06:09] <Darkside> anyway, the tropopause (~10-12km) is one of the coldest parts of the atmosphere
[06:09] <Darkside> above the tropopaise, the temperature increses again up to about 50km, where it strts decreasing again
[06:10] <Darkside> ok so descent rate looks to be decreasing
[06:10] <Darkside> this is a sign of either imminent burst, or float
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[06:23] <VK2DLI> picohorusbinary is alive again!!!
[06:25] <VK2DLI> well almost !!
[06:27] <Darkside> its more about someone being able to receice it
[06:27] <Darkside> vk5fj is the only one in position with the righ tsoftware
[06:27] <Darkside> and he has a big hill in the way :P
[06:28] <vk5hs_> interesting watching temp versa's frequency
[06:29] <Darkside> its not quite a linear reliationshop
[06:29] <Darkside> relationship*
[06:29] <Darkside> cmonn float..
[06:31] <Darkside> 0.4m/s...
[06:31] <Darkside> cmonnn
[06:32] <Darkside> 0.2!
[06:32] <VK2DLI> the math must been pretty good
[06:32] <vk5ei> close
[06:33] <Darkside> getting these latex balloons to float is not really a science yet
[06:34] <Darkside> it depends a lot on the quality control of the balloon manufacturer too
[06:34] <Darkside> (or lack thereof)
[06:34] <vk5ei> warmer temp may be advantage ?
[06:34] <Darkside> not sure
[06:34] <Darkside> woo 28km
[06:34] <realborg> latex is not a fully synthetic product
[06:35] <Darkside> this particular balloon manufacturer has a bit of a reputation for bad quality control on their balloons
[06:35] <Darkside> (Hwoyee)
[06:35] <realborg> has anyone used other material than latex?
[06:35] <Darkside> sure
[06:36] <Darkside> all the really long distance floater balloons have been mylar
[06:36] <Darkside> i.e. the B-series and PS-series
[06:36] <Darkside> (I found it funny that last WIA broadcast they said that 'the pico balloon craze is catching on the UK', when in fact it started there)
[06:36] <realborg> i think you can build a cheap balloon from emergency blankets ;)
[06:37] <Darkside> its difficult to seal it properly
[06:37] <Darkside> i think andy VK3YT is still using 36" Qualatex foil balloons
[06:37] <Darkside> (metallised mylar)
[06:43] <vk5ei> maybe some wind uplift occurring
[06:43] <Darkside> mm dunno
[06:44] <Darkside> when it starts to oscillate around a particular altitude you know its going into a float
[06:44] <Darkside> so far we've only seen positive ascent rates
[06:44] <vk5ei> only 2m between frames
[06:44] <Darkside> problem is, these balloons also do a similar thing right before they burst
[06:44] <vk5ei> mmmm
[06:44] <Darkside> so either could occutoccur*
[06:44] <Darkside> hrm
[06:45] <Darkside> this is pretty painful though!
[06:45] <Darkside> can't look away!
[06:46] <vk5ei> lol
[06:46] <Darkside> if it bursts maybe vk5hs can go recover it :P
[06:46] <vk5ei> floater in my book
[06:47] <Darkside> not yet...
[06:47] <Darkside> i'd be looking for it to float along for an hour or so before i'm convinced
[06:47] <vk5ei> oh dear
[06:49] <Darkside> so from previous experience, it will drop in altitude after sunset, continue floating, then at the next sunrise it'll either burst, or keep on going for another day
[06:49] <Darkside> its often the heating and associated ascent after sunrise that pops them
[06:49] <Darkside> as by that point he balloons are weaker from the previous days UV exposure
[06:50] <Darkside> and in this case the balloon is already a few years old
[06:50] <Darkside> 0m/s!
[06:50] <Darkside> ooohhhhh
[06:50] <VK2DLI> yay!!!
[06:50] <vk5hs_> i think you broke it
[06:51] <Darkside> kim is receiving again
[06:52] <Darkside> yessssssss
[06:52] <Darkside> this is looking good
[06:52] <vk5ei> :)))
[06:52] <Darkside> :D
[06:52] <vk5hs_> no its not broken yet
[06:53] <Darkside> vk5hs_: i intended it to float around this altitude
[06:54] <Darkside> so if all goes well from this point, we'll see it oscillate up and down around 28.3km altitude
[06:55] <VK2DLI> nice work - congrats
[06:55] <Darkside> sorry i couldn't get it any closer to yo u:-)
[06:56] <vk5ei> well done Mark, from here its a bonus :)
[06:56] <VK2DLI> never mind - always another time - I have been tracking PS-58 and decoded some JT9 - I was stoked!!!
[06:57] <Darkside> vk5ei: this is good, as it'll give us more time to play around with the binary modem
[06:58] <Darkside> i must admit, this isn't as good as the time we floated a 1600g hwoyee to woolongong
[06:58] <Darkside> at about 39km altitude
[06:58] <Darkside> that was interesting
[06:58] <VK2DLI> yep I missed that one - I was away
[06:59] <Darkside> that was quite a few years ago now
[06:59] <Darkside> probably our most active launch period
[07:00] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Horus_16_4_states.jpg
[07:00] <VK2DLI> I had been following you guys for a while and noticed you went a bit quiet
[07:01] <Darkside> yeah a lot of it is just peoples availability
[07:02] <Darkside> oh shit
[07:02] <Darkside> -10m/s
[07:02] <Darkside> thats a burst
[07:02] <Darkside> damn
[07:02] <vk5ei> latex !!
[07:02] <Darkside> old balloons!
[07:02] <VK2DLI> oh crap
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[07:03] <Darkside> dropping at 90kph and increasing :P
[07:03] <Darkside> real test now will be how long can we kaintain telemetry for
[07:03] <Darkside> maintain*
[07:03] <Darkside> its going to be spinning real badly now i expect
[07:04] <Darkside> vk5ei: if you could get a recording of this last bit as a wave file that would be aprecited
[07:04] <Darkside> appreciated*
[07:04] <Darkside> it'll help us optimise the modem
[07:04] <vk5ei> rr
[07:05] <vk5ei> let me know when
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[07:05] <Darkside> vk5ei: well if you can record until you lose it that'd be good
[07:05] <Darkside> can you record audio and decode at the same time?
[07:06] <Darkside> because we definitely don't want to lose position information!
[07:09] <Darkside> noo dont land in VK3 :P
[07:10] <realborg> vk3?
[07:10] <Darkside> amateur radio callsign prefix for victoria
[07:11] <vk5ei> yep
[07:11] <vk5fj> Darkside: Rx Freq is drifting around all over the place
[07:11] <Darkside> yeah it will
[07:12] <Darkside> its going to be spinning too
[07:12] <Darkside> man the descent rate is all over the shop
[07:13] <vk5fj> and then its nice and stable for a bit
[07:13] <Darkside> theres no parachute, so it could just be the drag from the payload itself changing as it spins
[07:13] <vk5fj> must be buffeted around
[07:13] <vk5fj> so its burst already ?
[07:13] <Darkside> really nice area to land in
[07:13] <Darkside> yeah
[07:13] <Darkside> it floated for a few minutes then popped
[07:14] <Darkside> but thats a really good area to land in
[07:14] <Darkside> very recoverable.
[07:14] <vk5fj> Karte Conservation Park ?
[07:14] <Darkside> nah it's going to land in wheat felds
[07:14] <Darkside> fields*
[07:14] <realborg> perfect
[07:15] <Darkside> the payload is fairly light, it'll probably survive landing
[07:15] <vk5fj> fields that should have been harvested already ?
[07:15] <Darkside> dunno
[07:15] <realborg> it's january
[07:16] <vk5fj> realborg: other local wheat fields harvested a month ago
[07:16] <vk5fj> don;t know about that area specifically, but probably similar weather
[07:17] <realborg> usually you don't grow crops in january in the northern hemisphere
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[07:17] <Darkside> realborg: well, we are in the southern hemisphere
[07:17] <vk5fj> realborg: this is a hot and dry time of year
[07:18] <vk5fj> realborg: 25c today, but the last two weeks has typically been 34-44c
[07:19] <realborg> niiiice, i'd like to be there :)
[07:19] <vk5fj> Darkside: that green foot print is getting smaller and smaller =/
[07:19] <Darkside> well yes
[07:19] <Darkside> to be expected!
[07:19] <Darkside> will b einteresting to see how far down it can be tracked
[07:19] <vk5fj> max: 4053 f: 1060 fshift 482 ppm: -428 Eb/No: 2.3 SNR: -12.5 bits: 26011
[07:20] <vk5fj> no more decodes for me =(
[07:20] <Darkside> the lower it goes the better the estimated landing area
[07:20] <vk5fj> right
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[07:20] <Darkside> vk5ei: how the hell are you still receiving it! surely it's behind the adelaide hills by now
[07:21] <Darkside> 1.29 degrees elevation
[07:21] <vk5ei> :) just lost then
[07:21] <Darkside> damn
[07:21] <vk5fj> its gone on my water fall =(
[07:21] <Darkside> lets see how far vk5hs_ can track it down
[07:22] <vk5hs_> i am chasing the frequency
[07:22] <Darkside> heh
[07:22] <Darkside> keep on it!
[07:22] <Darkside> yeah its going to drift heaps
[07:22] <realborg> can you record the i/q stream (if you are using sdr)?
[07:22] <vk5fj> vk5hs_: whats your dial ?
[07:23] <Darkside> realborg: he's using an Ic-7000
[07:23] <Darkside> hrm that might be it
[07:23] <vk5hs_> 434.650.625
[07:23] <Darkside> no wait :P
[07:24] <Darkside> damn its going to land right near a road
[07:25] <vk5ei> sat view looks ok for recovery
[07:25] <Darkside> yeah its just a frigging long way away from anywhere
[07:27] <Darkside> vk5hs_: any of you riverland guys up for a foxhunt? :P
[07:28] <vk5fj> Darkside: fancy a drive on the morrow ?
[07:28] <Darkside> hrm
[07:28] <Darkside> making the assumption that it survived the landing
[07:28] <vk5ei> long sunday drive
[07:28] <Darkside> yeah very long sunday drive lol
[07:29] <Darkside> 3 hours drive
[07:30] <vk5hs_> sorry i lost it
[07:30] <Darkside> vk5hs_: thats ok :P
[07:30] <Darkside> given the descent rate, it'll have landed pretty close to the last position
[07:30] <vk5fj> vk5hs_: nice work =)
[07:31] <vk5hs_> thanks for having peter vk5flex & myself onboard
[07:31] <vk5hs_> look forward to the next launch
[07:32] <Darkside> vk5hs_: feel free to go pick it up if you want :P
[07:32] <Darkside> closer to you than it is to us!
[07:32] <Darkside> haha
[07:33] <vk5hs_> i would love to but have had a calming ale !!
[07:33] <VK2DLI> thanks for show - I could get hooked on this myself - cheers, btw name this way is Barry
[07:34] <vk5ei> 07:20:41utc was my last decode
[07:34] <Darkside> vk5hs_: the batteries will last for a few days!
[07:34] <vk5fj> Darkside: you should have a bounty on the balloons
[07:34] <vk5fj> returning them
[07:34] <Darkside> heh
[07:35] <vk5fj> double for scouts or something =P
[07:35] <Darkside> i think we used to have that on some of the payloads
[07:35] <Darkside> vk5ei: did you end up getting a recording?
[07:36] <vk5ei> got three will check and email to you
[07:36] <andyvk5> attach a voucher so vk5hs_ can buy more calming ale
[07:36] <Darkside> vk5ei: cheers
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[07:38] <Darkside> vk5ei: thanks again for tracking today
[07:39] <Darkside> vk5ei: whats your antenna setup?
[07:39] <vk5ei> all fun mark, 11 elements at 8m agl no fancy setup here :)
[07:40] <Darkside> heh, well it worked well
[07:40] <Darkside> i think you said you had a preamp too
[07:40] <vk5ei> yep AG45
[07:40] <Darkside> ok
[07:41] <Darkside> well, worked brilliantly :D
[07:41] <vk5hs_> what will we need to track your launch in late jan 2016
[07:41] <vk5ei> preamp helps heaps
[07:41] <Darkside> vk5hs_: same as what you had today!
[07:41] <Darkside> vk5hs_: it'll be the same software, similar frequency
[07:42] <vk5hs_> very good, thought we might need your new system
[07:42] <Darkside> not yet
[07:42] <vk5fj> vk5ei: pro tip huh, preamps =)
[07:42] <Darkside> and probably not for a long time
[07:42] <vk5hs_> are you happy how the binary system operated
[07:42] <Darkside> yep it worked really well
[07:43] <Darkside> now we need to get the software into a more easy to use form
[07:43] <vk5ei> must do some quick chores thanks guys email you later mark
[07:43] <vk5hs_> i used the preamp in the radio made a huge difference
[07:43] <vk5ei> 73
[07:43] <vk5fj> Darkside: and make a mast head pre-amp closer to the house/shack =)
[07:43] <Darkside> vk5ei: thanks again, cheers
[07:43] <vk5fj> vk5ei: 73
[07:43] <Darkside> vk5fj: masthead preamp that sits below the antenna more like
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[07:44] <Darkside> vk5fj: also i'd take that antenna apart and check the connections inside
[07:44] <Darkside> there might be some broken/loose
[07:44] <vk5hs_> i have some mast pre amps better install them before next launch
[07:45] <vk5hs_> thanks for an interesting day. have a healthy 2016
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[07:45] <vk5hs_> cheers all
[07:47] <Simon_VK3SMC> Cheers. catch ya at the next one
[07:48] <vk5fj> as mast head amp, and move the antenna closer to the shack
[07:49] <vk5fj> better clear off the kitchen table =)
[07:49] <vk5fj> BBL
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[10:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK6GB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK6GB-11
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[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DM3FB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DM3FB
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[14:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG4OBF - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG4OBF
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[15:06] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/U9IlFaf.jpg
[15:08] <mattbrejza> i think they need better paint
[15:09] <AndyEsser> mattbrejza: I'm sure that's top of the priority list :)
[15:10] <AndyEsser> *sigh* SecQuest are out of stock of AirSpy's
[15:10] <AndyEsser> guess I won't be working on my RF module anytime soon :(
[15:11] <mattbrejza> :'(
[15:12] <AndyEsser> well I should be able to work on the GPS stuff in the meantime at least
[15:12] <AndyEsser> maybe I'll order the oscilloscope instead of the airspy - and then get the airspy next month or something
[15:12] <mattbrejza> what scope? rigol 4 channel thing?
[15:13] <AndyEsser> Yea
[15:13] <AndyEsser> DS1054Z
[15:13] <mattbrejza> cool
[15:13] <AndyEsser> At least that'll help me narrow down my timin issues with the 328 code
[15:13] <AndyEsser> and will likely help with the RF/GPS stuff as well
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[17:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-57 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57
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[19:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[19:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0314 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:13] <juozas> hello
[21:14] <boelle_> hi there
[21:15] <fsphil> evening
[21:15] <juozas> I am looking for someone with Ham radio knowlage :)
[21:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[21:19] <juozas> I guess wrong place
[21:21] <craag> juozas: There are likely plenty
[21:21] <craag> Just waiting for a question...
[21:23] <juozas> question is simple. (I am new to this) testing cheap uv 82 and I can pick up pmr 446 no problem. but when I do scan, All channels I pick up is just Noise. havent found a solution, either wrong setings or broken radio
[21:24] <craag> Ah ok, I don't know much about the uv 82 unfortunately. If you don't get a reply here then you could try #hamradio on this server.
[21:25] <juozas> thanks
[21:25] <juozas> I am not voiced there :) cant write anything
[21:26] <Darkside> you need to register your nickname
[21:26] <Darkside> wich nickserv
[21:26] <Darkside> with*
[21:26] <juozas> oh, right. darn, its been years since I been on mirc
[21:26] <juozas> it use to be hot stuff :D
[21:26] <craag> was it ever not?
[21:26] <craag> ;)
[21:27] <juozas> well after skype it kind of died off
[21:28] <mfa298> juozas: it may depend on where you are, but if you're scanning the HAM bands there's not always activity around.
[21:29] <juozas> yea, but then it should be just silence.. but it stops on a frequency and there is something beeing brotcasting, I just hear it as noise
[21:29] <juozas> I mean it drives me nuts,.. been searching online forever...
[21:29] <mfa298> you might need to adjust the squelch level then.
[21:30] <juozas> ok, what should it be?
[21:30] <mfa298> just above the point it make the radio go quiet rather than noise
[21:30] <juozas> hmm, alright lets try
[21:32] <mfa298> do you have a HAM radio license ?
[21:32] <juozas> I am working on it
[21:33] <juozas> any reading suggestions?
[21:33] <mfa298> excellent, tuning/channels/squelch should all be covered in a decent course. (Just remember you cant use the ptt button until you've got a license)
[21:34] <juozas> I know
[21:35] <mfa298> finding a local radio club is usually a good bet, they'll potentially run courses and should at least be able to give you some hands on training
[21:36] <juozas> I was thinking about it
[21:39] <juozas> adjusting sql level didnt help
[21:39] <juozas> its weird
[21:41] <juozas> is there something else that could be adjusted?
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[22:05] <andyvk5> 2
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[22:18] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Fgb7hHQ.gifv
[22:23] <boelle_> loooool
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[22:30] <boelle_> Q... how often does it happen that a launch is aimed to land outside the UK?
[22:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Depends on what the purpose / type of launch it is! If it a floater then most will go outside the UK
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[22:37] <boelle_> what i thought was a launch that aimed spec. to land outside the uk... does not have to be a floater
[22:38] <craag> Normal latex landing across the channel has been done.
[22:42] <boelle_> but not something that happens very often?
[22:43] <craag> No, recovery logistics are a lot more difficult
[22:44] <craag> plus consequences of error become more wet!
[22:45] <gonzo__nb> though there is the option of going to recover, but spending the day in cafes
[22:46] <boelle_> i would think it could be fun to try and chase one here....
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[22:46] <boelle_> sadly danish laws are so that i cant get a launch permit
[22:47] <boelle_> investigated many times and even if i could get a single launch permit it would cost past 100£ each time
[22:47] <boelle_> and a permanent permit... was basicly told: no way in hell
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[22:51] <mattbrejza> laucnh in germany?
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> someone flew in DK however
[22:52] <boelle_> or fill the balloon and say upps
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> Titan One
[22:52] <mattbrejza> there has been a danish laucnh iirc, but the notam/He wasnt cheap
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> this
[22:52] <mattbrejza> they live streamed them going to pick it up
[22:52] <mattbrejza> somewhat better internet coverage
[22:52] <boelle_> yep... one launch i know off
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> or DE
[22:52] <boelle_> and yes it was not cheap
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> or SE
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> don't know about what you have to do in SE though
[22:53] <boelle_> 100£ an hour fee to get permit... and i think they where billed for 3 hours
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[22:54] <boelle_> DE.... about 2-2½ hours in car from here... and SE about the same
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[22:55] <boelle_> oh well
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:55] <mattbrejza> that isnt too bad
[22:55] <mattbrejza> especailly if the winds take it back towards home
[22:55] <boelle_> another Q.... is it possible to decode with an smartphone these days
[22:55] <mattbrejza> yes
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> there is an android app I think
[22:56] <boelle_> yeah i'm googl'ing it now....
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[22:56] <boelle_> just need to figure how to attach SDR dongle to phone
[22:56] <boelle_> but think that will be easy
[22:57] <mattbrejza> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:hab_modem?s[]=android
[22:58] <boelle_> thanks.... reading now
[22:59] <boelle_> that is for radios... i was thinking of SDR dongles
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> well
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> I want to try something new this year as well
[23:00] <mattbrejza> oh right
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> R820T is good for that as far as I know
[23:01] <boelle_> i guess an power usb hub would do the trick... and then plug the SDR in to that....
[23:02] <boelle_> powered as the phone can then charge at same time
[23:02] <boelle_> and hub also powers SDR dongle
[23:04] <mattbrejza> then all you need to do is write the app
[23:05] <boelle_> if it has not been done by others allready
[23:06] <boelle_> at least i found how to connect the SDR dongle
[23:06] <boelle_> http://sdrtouch.com/
[23:06] <boelle_> it shows how to connect things
[23:07] <boelle_> dl-fldigi does not control the SDR dongle right?
[23:07] <boelle_> only decodes... cant remember what it can
[23:08] <daveake> nor does it work on android
[23:08] <boelle_> bummer
[23:09] <daveake> As mattbrejza said, there's an Android rtty decoder
[23:09] <boelle_> fldigi does... but that is not the same i know... it misses the dl
[23:09] <daveake> But you'd need an SDR program too
[23:09] <boelle_> that is the one i linked to
[23:09] <boelle_> was just not sure if it was needed
[23:10] <boelle_> or if that has been build in to fldigi
[23:10] <daveake> Yes it's needed
[23:10] <daveake> Otherwise you just have a DR
[23:11] <boelle_> but oh well... given that dl-fldigi is not ported to android or ios i can forget it on a phone
[23:12] <boelle_> unless i could just share the SDR and control from home
[23:12] <boelle_> mjahhh me tired i think... not thinking clear
[23:19] <boelle_> how hard would it be to port dl-fldigi to android?
[23:19] <boelle_> not that i know how to do it
[23:20] <mattbrejza> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:hab_modem?s[]=android ...
[23:23] <boelle_> mattbrejza: you posted that once....
[23:24] <mattbrejza> you asked the same question again
[23:24] <boelle_> problem is dl-fldigi is not ported to android
[23:24] <mattbrejza> that does everything fldigi ones
[23:24] <daveake> ????????????????????
[23:24] <daveake> and a few more ???????????????????
[23:24] <daveake> You want (I assume) an RTTY decoder
[23:24] <daveake> Matt linked to one, wot he wrote
[23:24] <daveake> You don't, therefore, need dl-fldigi
[23:24] <boelle_> ahhhhh
[23:25] <boelle_> me a stupid blind fuck
[23:25] <boelle_> missed the link at the top for the APP
[23:25] <boelle_> dooooh
[23:25] <boelle_> 10 x *faceslaps*
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[23:29] <boelle_> damm i feel stupid :-/
[23:29] <boelle_> but damm nice app...
[23:32] <boelle_> mattbrejza: does your app also take care of uploading pics if the balloon send those?
[23:35] <mattbrejza> no
[23:37] <fsphil> porting the ssdv decoder to java shouldn't be too bad :)
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> can I give you a revelation?
[23:39] <boelle_> me? i was just asking if it did... its installing right now and in the charge stand so not able to play with it yet
[23:40] <boelle_> but found a way i can make a setup a bit "pocket" friendly
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> no everyone I meant xD
[23:42] <boelle_> well i'm semi watching here...
[23:43] <boelle_> while searching for info on USB On-The-Go (OTG)
[23:44] <mattbrejza> not sure how you can pipe adio from the sdr app into the hab app though
[23:44] <mattbrejza> except perhaps looping it back with a wire
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:44] <mattbrejza> or if even the phone will be usable with both apps running
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> what I wanted to say, this year will again be about solving software challenges :)
[23:47] <boelle_> quad core phones are nice :-P
[23:47] <boelle_> but yes routing the audio is an issue of course
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