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[00:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
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[01:36] <fsphil> good aurora at the moment
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[03:23] <Ian_> Happy New Year folks
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[03:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BALLOONOLO-7 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLOONOLO-7
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[03:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PICOHORUSBINARY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PICOHORUSBINARY
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[08:44] <vk5hs> hi
[08:44] <vk5akh> hi vk5hs
[08:44] <Darkside> yo
[08:44] <Darkside> <- VK5QI
[08:44] <vk5hs> vk5akh happy new year
[08:45] <Darkside> vk5hs: it'll be good to have a trracker in the riverland tomorrow
[08:45] <Darkside> you should be able to track it as it makes its way towards VK3
[08:45] <Darkside> (if it gets that far)
[08:47] <vk5hs> darkside looking forward to uploading info will have 2 F calls looking at these dgi modes
[08:47] <Darkside> oh cool
[08:47] <Darkside> so the balloon will be ascending very slowly, and it may be a good hour after launch before it get to an altitude where you can hear it
[08:48] <Darkside> but if all goes well, it'll float at 15km or so an dkeep on going
[08:48] <Darkside> we'll see i guess
[08:48] <vk5hs> will be eagerly waiting
[08:48] <Darkside> cool :D
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[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUS after 036 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
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[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
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[12:02] <Davespice> happy new year everyone :)
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[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> hello 2016
[17:11] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> And goodbye 2015 :)
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> thus
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> final report of balloon lab of 2015 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDSFVxekJGV1g1MmM/view?pref=2&pli=1
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-57 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57
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[18:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03honda accord ex sedan 1HGCM56653A048183_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=honda%20accord%20ex%20sedan%201HGCM56653A048183_chase
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[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> how are people?
[18:33] <gb73d> wacked
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> same here
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[19:09] <Laurenceb_> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiP2uWJqInKAhXGVhQKHdAZBWAQFggyMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opsjournal.org%2Fassets%2FSecureDocumentLibrary%2FDocumentLibraryManager%2Fdocuments%2FOTRAG_u2_final_LK%2520.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHRTST8mlzpZ8VmHqloxsgX1ARn6Q
[19:09] <Laurenceb_> stupid google url masher
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> OTRAG had major political issues
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[19:16] <Laurenceb_> OTRAG with LOX and propane would be interesting
[19:18] <Laurenceb_> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/24-ERW-Steel-Pipe-ERW-carbon_60348471399.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.165.T270U1
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> especially with super cheap tube
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> that would cost much less than the fuel inside
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> I guess materials science for cheap tubes has gone way up since the 70s
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> A lot of this stuff seems to get put in the 'oh - it's been tried, and diddn't work' category way too easily
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Without reexamining it in the light of new technology.
[19:28] <gb73d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K02IJVeb4I
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> OTRAG seems to have used crazy expensive high strength tempered stainless
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> I guess as they were targeting $1k/Kg it wasnt an issue
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> that steel tube would allow < $20/Kg
[19:30] <Laurenceb_> probably far cheaper than anything else, hardware would cost significantly less than the fuel
[19:33] <Laurenceb_> the fact they used very expensive tube then wasted half the mass with a blow down system doesnt make such sense
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[19:41] <SpeedEvil> stainless - because of avoiding cryogen
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[19:44] <Laurenceb_> yes, but they didn't have to use the crazy strong stuff
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> also gas generator cartridges would work for pressurizing
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Manufacture-Astm-A53-Grade-B-Schedule_60314829320.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.93.nq8pLl
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[19:45] <Laurenceb_> apparently the welds in this stuff are tempered at the factory
[19:47] <Laurenceb_> the engine looks very clever - CF scraps / offcuts based ablative material, off the shelf stainless valves and car windscreen motor based servos
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[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> OTRAG fascinated me for years
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> when I first read of it
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> and then the big article by bernd leitenberger
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> which is reproduced in the PDF Laurenceb_ linked
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[20:31] <SpeedEvil> Rocket engineering is hard because it is done by rocket engineers.
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Actually no.
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[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Because it is specified by purchasors.
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[20:35] <Laurenceb_> I really like the cost cutting steps of using car parts, COTS valves and CF manufacturing waste
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[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder if the real big configurations would have worked
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> the 1024 tank for example
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> its a nice idea to have a single system that can be used for everything
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: that has been proved since then in simulation.
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> (KSP)
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jprkn8a5S3w
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> lol KSP
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> does that even have realistic physics?
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> I thought about simulating it in Orbiter
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[20:41] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: It depends.
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> but back then I didn't really have the skills needed to do that
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: It's pretty accurate orbitally.
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: It is not bad for simple structural weight/burnout/... type calcs, but the drag model is basically for comedy effect.
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> ah
[20:42] <russss> heh
[20:42] <russss> I've been playing with KSP again recently, it's quite fun
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> In many areas, it makes as much sense as doing architecural simulations in tetris.
[20:43] <russss> haha
[20:44] <russss> I had one situation, which I've been unable to replicate, where the front of the rocket fell off while it was sitting on the pad.
[20:44] <eroomde> i have witnessed such a thing IRL
[20:44] <eroomde> (hpr rocket rather than space launch rocket)
[20:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N9MRC-0_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N9MRC-0_chase
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[21:01] <Laurenceb_> I'd like to see some photos of PS-57 pre launch
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[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> it is really amazing in my opinion what sorts of research have been made possible by the people here on the channel
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> the B program by leo for example
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> and the PS flights now
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[21:43] <AndyEsser> Upu: I have a package waiting for me at the Post Office - I'm going to pretend that it's actually a late xmas present from you :) (TBH I'm more excited about it than most xmas presents)
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> happy new year AndyEsser
[21:56] Action: Vaizki is tracking girl scouts and not balloons today
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[21:57] <Vaizki> an IRC acquaintance is a scout master and he built a ISM tracker for the scouts to carry.. and they are on a night trek in a nearby forest so just checking out the signals on sdr.. :)
[21:58] <Vaizki> I'm not really decoding the GFSK to see where they are
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[22:22] <AndyEsser> happy new year Lunar_Lander and Vaizki
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> happy new year to Vaizki as well :)
[22:23] <AndyEsser> And with that - it's time to head to bed
[22:23] <AndyEsser> sooner I go to sleep, the soone rI can wake up and go get my GPS and RF modules from the post office :)
[22:23] <Vaizki> happy new year indeed to all and sundry
[22:24] <Vaizki> ha, you have a post office that is open on saturdays?
[22:24] <AndyEsser> Most PO's in the UK are open on Saturdays
[22:25] <AndyEsser> and the distribution center where I need to go opens at 7am :) which is even better
[22:25] <Vaizki> that's just too damn civilized for Finland
[22:25] <AndyEsser> hehe
[22:25] <Vaizki> although as of 1.1.2016, they've repealed the law restricting retail shop opening hours
[22:25] <Vaizki> so now shops can be open whenever they want
[22:25] <AndyEsser> the only restriction we haev on retail opening hours is Sundays
[22:25] <AndyEsser> and only if the size of the shop is over a certain square footage
[22:25] <AndyEsser> (6 hour trading law)
[22:26] <fsphil> oh I thought that was just in NI
[22:26] <Vaizki> right. we had a bunch of rules. instead of making new rules they just scrapped the whole law
[22:26] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: seems much more sensible
[22:26] <AndyEsser> fsphil: nope - hence why supermarkets are only open like 10-4 or 11-6 on Sundays
[22:27] <AndyEsser> British Antarctic Survey have need for an IT guy
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> good night andy :)
[22:27] <fsphil> tis rather annoying
[22:27] <AndyEsser> so very very tempted to apply
[22:27] <fsphil> that would be amazing!
[22:27] <Vaizki> they moved one thing from the old law into a new one - shops in big malls / shopping centers can't be required by the landlords to be open 7 days a week
[22:27] <Vaizki> so that small shopkeepers can take a day off
[22:27] <AndyEsser> I eyed up BAS a few years ago when I become single (since that made the chance of going much more possible)
[22:27] <AndyEsser> but last time I checked they had very few vacancies
[22:27] <Vaizki> small shop proprietors even
[22:27] <AndyEsser> but just seen they've got loads now
[22:28] <AndyEsser> would be an awesome adventure
[22:28] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: ah that's cool
[22:28] <fsphil> cool (and not in the silly obvious way)
[22:28] <AndyEsser> fsphil: o dear
[22:28] <AndyEsser> I hadn't even thought of the silly obvious way until you said that
[22:28] <Vaizki> antarctic survey.. you could just move to Finland...
[22:29] <fsphil> wrong hemisphere :)
[22:29] <AndyEsser> True, but not many people can say "I was stationed at the Antarctic for 6 months"
[22:29] <Vaizki> end result is the same, squinty eyes and a strong start towards alcoholism
[22:29] <fsphil> hah
[22:30] <Vaizki> not sure what is there to do at the antarctic in your free time :)
[22:30] <fsphil> astronomy!
[22:30] <Vaizki> scotch and good books comes to mind
[22:30] <fsphil> well, for the night time part of it anyway
[22:30] <fsphil> amateur radio too
[22:31] <fsphil> HAB launch, though the images would be a bit predictable
[22:32] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I had wondered about a few HAB launched :)
[22:32] <AndyEsser> launches*
[22:32] <AndyEsser> not sure BOC could deliver though
[22:32] <adamgreig> they do a _lot_ of HAB launches
[22:32] <adamgreig> daily or more
[22:32] <adamgreig> no shortage of lifting gas
[22:32] <fsphil> meteorite hunting
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[22:33] <AndyEsser> Digging up Stargates
[22:33] <AndyEsser> Anyway - bed time
[22:34] <AndyEsser> need to finish my workshop tomorrow so I can play with my new toys
[22:34] <fsphil> picking up penguines
[22:34] <AndyEsser> if all goes well... I should be able to design and order PCB's ready for a launch _soon_
[22:34] <fsphil> excellent
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[22:35] <AndyEsser> although really would like to go along and witness a launch first hand before doing my own
[22:36] <AndyEsser> so hope at least one of you guys is planning a launch I might be able to attend :)
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[23:16] <Ian_> One benefit of using COTS car parts in rocket programmes might be the automotive parts recall system . . . airbag inflators come to mind of late, among myriad others! :)
[23:21] <eroomde> i've often though car airbags might make good off-the-shelf gas generators for other applications
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[23:36] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: heh I was just thinking _exectly_ the same thing
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> for an OTRAG style thingy
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> or the slightly different chemistry in the Klima motors
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> *exactly
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[23:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ria-20a_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ria-20a_chase
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