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[00:04] <fl_0> has anyone a contact of x-f ?
[00:04] <fl_0> or knows what the dashboard software is that he used?
[00:05] Action: fl_0 would like to adapt taht
[00:05] Action: fl_0 would like to adapt that
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[00:11] <gonzo_nb> possmay need more info on what you mean
[00:11] <fl_0> gonzo_: we have a pressure sensor on our planned flight
[00:12] <fl_0> and while testing we discovered that this sensor is missing in his dashboard
[00:12] <fl_0> see here: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/DL0CRE-11#d
[00:12] <fl_0> but it has some values if you look at the "grpahs"
[00:13] <gonzo_nb> I can't help, but your question was pretty vauge.
[00:13] <fl_0> :)
[00:13] <fl_0> np
[00:13] <fl_0> I am wondering what software he used
[00:13] <gonzo_nb> glad to be of..... well, no help!
[00:13] <fl_0> cause it rings a bell ...
[00:14] <fl_0> guess i have seen that before in another context
[00:14] <fl_0> but cannot remeber what/where/when that was :)
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[00:15] <lz1dev> https://code.google.com/p/jsgauge/
[00:16] <fl_0> lz1dev: tnx
[00:17] <fl_0> maybe I'll set up a copy of that :D
[00:17] <fl_0> If I can get hold of information on how to access the database :)
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[00:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-57 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57
[00:34] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/pTqVjrI
[00:35] <SpeedEvil> Japanese geostationary weather sat
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[07:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03stratofly_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stratofly_chase
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[07:36] <fsphil> ah, spacex delayed. glad I didn't sit up :)
[07:44] <Darkside> yes
[07:44] <Darkside> tomrorow instead
[07:45] <UpuWork> morning
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[07:56] <Chimpusmaximus> Morning, almost stayed up to watch but flaked out early.
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[08:59] <AndyEsser> morning
[09:02] <eroomde> morning AndyEsser
[09:04] <AndyEsser> How's things?
[09:05] <eroomde> alright. in norfolk just having a v slow breakfast
[09:07] <AndyEsser> ,very nice
[09:07] <AndyEsser> do you have family there?
[09:09] <eroomde> my gran's old house
[09:09] <eroomde> holiday home now
[09:10] <AndyEsser> ah ok
[09:10] <AndyEsser> do your parents still leave bongor way?
[09:10] <AndyEsser> err
[09:10] <AndyEsser> bognor
[09:10] <eroomde> not quite that coastal but yes
[09:11] <eroomde> on the south downs near there
[09:11] <AndyEsser> I think I randomly drove passed it one day a few years back (on my way somewhere no idea)
[09:11] <AndyEsser> and I had a flashback to you standing on the road with the sign you made for me :)
[09:16] <Vaizki> now you have us all wondering what it said...
[09:16] <Vaizki> "Will work for bits & bobs"?
[09:17] <AndyEsser> haha, nah it was just a sign with my name on it so I knew where to turn in
[09:17] <AndyEsser> sorry to disappoint
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[09:21] <Vaizki> maybe it was mostly for pedestrians to let them know you're driving that day...
[09:22] <Chimpusmaximus> :-)
[09:23] <Vaizki> hmm https://i.imgur.com/9MtWJhv.gifv
[09:24] <Vaizki> I wonder if those joints have some sort of damping.. that seems pretty freaky with 2 joints in the middle
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[09:32] <gonzo_> maybe some slight spring bias
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[11:34] <AndyEsser> http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/nuc/overview.html
[11:34] <AndyEsser> pwetty
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[11:41] <tweetBot> @daveake: The UI for my chase car Pi is nearly 30 years old; the car nearly 20. One has aged better than the other :-) #UKHAS https://t.co/9v228noSni
[11:45] <gonzo_> I was quiote shocked to find that the diff in my little triumph is a 1930's design!
[11:47] <gonzo_> when I first started working in the early 90's, we had a request from a presigious motoring company, to make some ignition ballast modules. They had run out of stocks and the co supplying then had long gone.
[11:47] <gonzo_> we got the drawings and they were dated 1936!
[11:48] <gonzo_> they had little pressed tin plate enclosures, with a WW resistor potted in there. looking very pre-war
[11:50] <gonzo_> so they must have had them in stock for 80yrs
[11:50] <AndyEsser> wow
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: :)
[11:55] <fsphil> RTTY is from the 1920s :)
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[12:06] <gonzo_> line telegraphy using the original baudot code, google says 1874
[12:07] <fsphil> yeah the cable version is much older
[12:12] <gonzo_> the germans used rtty mid war, I think AM
[12:12] <gonzo_> not sure if we ever used it?
[12:16] <gonzo_> the bletchly people used rx it on inked tape and visually read it
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[12:17] <gonzo_> std code was used, but I assume the undulator/ink was more raw data if the intercept was noisy
[12:18] <gonzo_> not that I'd want to try that for HAB!
[12:18] <fsphil> even more work than that time jcoxon used helschreiber
[12:19] <Vaizki> lol daveake's hab bridge display :)
[12:20] <gonzo_> hel was fun . Though quite labour intensive
[12:23] <daveake> chasing at warp factor 0.00000009
[12:24] <Vaizki> next up: habhub tracker map on a XY scope
[12:35] <gonzo_> vector graphics, cool!
[12:35] <gonzo_> or a radially scanned PPI
[12:36] <gonzo_> (a scanning 434 beam on the cat could be the start of a long converation with plod though)
[12:36] <gonzo_> car
[12:37] <gonzo_> if it were on the cat, it would be a conversation with rspca
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[12:40] <fsphil> you'd need two cats at least
[12:51] <gonzo_> IQ cats
[12:54] <gonzo_> (I got looked at in a funny way the other day, whejn I refered to using carrier bags in IQ mode. One bag in the other 90deg out so the little holes don't line up and leak mank in the bottom or the dustbinbin.)
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[12:57] <fsphil> well, they are trying to phase them out
[13:00] <gonzo_> yep, it's just not the bag I'm into
[13:00] <gonzo_> I get carriered away
[13:06] <Vaizki> I might have mentioned this before but somehow this whole audio piping with simulated drivers and lack of I/Q streaming between SDR/audio software baffles me
[13:09] <Vaizki> somehow just feels like there'd be an easy way to create stream piping / multiplexing / filtering that handles also I/Q data without much effort on the SW developer side.. and some python libs for it so you can plug in your own stuff and gnu radio whatnot.. :P
[13:09] <Vaizki> maybe the problem is that doing this with sub-millisecond latencies and keeping everything in sync is not easy so nothing has been done at all.. but at least I don't give a damn about latency or sync
[13:14] <gonzo_> I would assume that if the IQ is being processed not realtime (ie in a buffer a small time afterwards) that sync should be easy
[13:16] <gonzo_> the iq-audio-pipe-decode thing is probably just because the people writing are just addressing their own goals
[13:16] <gonzo_> though it does seem to be a quite common requirement for amateur SDR users
[13:19] <Vaizki> setting up virtual audio devices, fiddling with the audio device selection and sample rates in each software preferences and resampling and in general stuffing everything into AF band.. urgh
[13:20] <Vaizki> vs having a way to publish / subscribe streams with lightweight discovery
[13:21] <Vaizki> and supporting multiple data formats including complex numbers for i/q
[13:25] <fsphil> agreed. but fldigi :)
[13:26] <Vaizki> what fldigi?
[13:26] <fsphil> it only takes demodulated audio
[13:27] <fsphil> no reason it couldn't be made to read IQ data from an SDR directly
[13:27] <Vaizki> I know. This was not a hab/rtty specific rant :)
[13:27] <fsphil> ah
[13:27] <gonzo_> would need to agree a std for the IQ transfer
[13:27] <gonzo_> bute the audio loop around problem isa pain
[13:28] <fsphil> interleaved 8/16-bit samples seems to be the standard these days
[13:28] <gonzo_> how would you i'f the progs, through a local (or not so local) port?
[13:28] <fsphil> or floats for gnuradio
[13:29] <Vaizki> well udp would be the simplest way
[13:29] <gonzo_> I know bugger all abouy windoze or how stuff can communicate
[13:29] <Vaizki> and most portable
[13:30] <Vaizki> would also support lan broadcast nicely, allowing send-once receiver-everywhere just by setting the right addresses
[13:31] <Vaizki> and to keep application developer pain as low as possible, maybe just allow a simple mode where a daemon on the host does all the work and the sw just spams it with UDP data over localhost in whatever format/samplerate it has
[13:31] <gonzo_> but even a way of rdirectly sending the demodded audio to another prog (without having to loop the headphone jack, or use a pain prog like VAC)
[13:32] <Vaizki> and without the bandwidth limitations of audio transfer
[13:32] <fsphil> gqrx has udp audio output
[13:32] <Vaizki> and of course you could link up stuff like Jack and PortAudio to the local daemon
[13:32] <fsphil> much nicer than pulseaudio
[13:32] <Vaizki> to monitor streams etc
[13:34] <Vaizki> I guess gnu radio has sources and sinks for udp/tcp as well
[13:34] <fsphil> it does
[13:34] <Vaizki> but they all lack metadata and pub/sub functions I assume
[13:35] <Vaizki> so you still have to config both ends to match separately for format, sample rate, addresses, ports etc
[13:35] <fsphil> yes, but that's kind a gnuradio restriction anyway
[13:36] <fsphil> even a wav source needs to be told the sample rate and channel count
[13:36] <fsphil> though I'm sure it could emit those values from the wav file as a variable for other blocks to use
[13:37] <fsphil> the channel count is a bit more difficult
[13:40] <mfa298> maybe the way to change this would be to propose a standard and impliment sink/source blocks for gnuradio, then start adding support into other apps (rtl_tcp, fldigi etc)
[13:41] <mfa298> if there's some traction for it and others like the idea it could then take off
[13:41] <Vaizki> right, and KISS.. keep the minimum capabilities required from apps to a minimum
[13:41] <Vaizki> resampling or transcoding can be done in a proxy if latency is not crucial
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[13:41] <Vaizki> as can a million other things
[13:42] <fsphil> gnuradio over http
[13:43] <fsphil> post the flow graph, get output data back
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[13:45] <mfa298> the biggest issue I can see is the bandwidth, I suspect the part connected to the sdr device would need to do some resampling by default otherwise you'll be crippled by the network packet processing performance.
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[13:46] <mfa298> especially as you get into the more interesting SDR devices (Airspy/HackRF/BladeRF/...)
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[13:47] <Vaizki> yes optimally they should support tuning and bandwidth selection also when subscribing..
[13:48] <Vaizki> I think rtl_tcp has them for the dvb-t sticks
[13:49] <Vaizki> but gigabit ethernet can handle quite a bit of I/Q data
[13:50] <Vaizki> I got so fed up with cables yesterday trying to listen in on DMR that I considered purchasing one of these.. http://www.thomann.de/gb/swissonic_zm_4.htm
[13:50] <Vaizki> but it's a painful physical solution to a problem that should be solveable with software easily
[13:51] <mfa298> Im wondering if there's a case for being able to send multiple streams, wide bandwidth but low bitrate to be able to provide some form of waterfall. Then more restricted bandwidth but higher bitrate for the bits people are interested in (a bit like what the websdr software does)
[13:52] <Vaizki> sdr console does a wonderful job of sending waterfalls and demodulated audio etc over the network
[13:52] <Vaizki> I guess you could publish a FFT stream also instead of audio or iq..
[13:52] <fsphil> just send it as an image
[13:53] <Vaizki> or just spam 1024 bins at 10fps?
[13:53] <Vaizki> so receiver can do their own gain and palettes
[13:53] <Vaizki> again, all this could be done by a proxy process on the host and does not need support from the source
[13:54] <mfa298> Vaizki: way ahead of you there, TV/PVR/Bluray etc are all connected up via a audio/video matrix switch then audio can also be fed to/from the mixer with cd/radio/tape/mp3 etc plugged into it.
[13:54] <Vaizki> source just sends full i/q dump to the proxy
[13:55] <Vaizki> mfa298, I have a first world problem there.. house with 3 floors and equipment spread out
[13:56] <mfa298> Vaizki: just invest in lots of coax (although I do have the benefit that most stuff is in a couple of places). I also decided that composite video was good enough for some of it.
[13:58] <Vaizki> I don't really care about A/V interconnections, I have a separate BR player and netflix client or computer at every place where I would view anything
[13:58] <Vaizki> so I just want to fix this SDR pain :)
[13:59] <AndyEsser> when I was doing AV stuff in fancy houses in Chelsea we would have all the Sky, etc equipment in a cab somewhere
[14:00] <AndyEsser> every room had at least 4 Cat5e cables running to it, and back to the comms room
[14:00] <AndyEsser> since you can run HDMI over ethernet
[14:00] <Vaizki> and still tv is shit :)
[14:01] <Vaizki> excuse my french
[14:01] <AndyEsser> indeed
[14:01] <AndyEsser> which is why I don't have a TV license and no way to receive live TV
[14:01] <AndyEsser> Netflix is god
[14:01] <gonzo_> I will see a TV again over the break at the folks
[14:02] <gonzo_> my mother sits waiting for me to lose my temper at it when I get there
[14:02] <AndyEsser> heh
[14:02] <gonzo_> 15sec is the record so far
[14:03] <Vaizki> always on with reality tv junk gushing out?
[14:04] <gonzo_> have you had the visit that they threaten in all the snotty tv licenbecing letters?
[14:04] <realborg> concorde is rated a cruise speed of 2180km/h, does this mean ground speed or air speed?
[14:04] <Vaizki> we seem to import shitty uk shows by the boatload here
[14:04] <Vaizki> (and a lot of good ones too)
[14:04] <fsphil> just imagine the ones they don't import
[14:04] <Vaizki> like wheeler dealers :D
[14:04] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: no visit - but shitty letters
[14:04] <gonzo_> there was always crap TV, but it seems that the SNR of TV is going down
[14:05] <AndyEsser> until I sent them a shitty email back, and they've promised to back off for 5 years :)
[14:05] <fsphil> it's getting easier to avoid the crap. yay pvrs, iplayer and netflix
[14:05] <AndyEsser> problem is they feed on misinformation
[14:05] <mfa298> the downside of more channels
[14:05] <AndyEsser> you only need a TV License if you watch TV "as it's broadcast"
[14:05] <gonzo_> I did get one a couple pof years ago. He said that 'our records sho that you do not have a tv licence at this property'
[14:05] <AndyEsser> not for VOD stuff
[14:06] <gonzo_> When I said he was quite correct, it seemed to confuse him a bit
[14:06] <AndyEsser> brb
[14:06] <mfa298> I suspect theres almost enough ok-good content to fill four channels, so now there are loads of channels they need to fill them with cheap imports, which usually get repeated regularly
[14:06] <gonzo_> I assume most people burble about menaing to, or the wife sorts that and they extract a cheaue from you
[14:08] <gonzo_> though I was stood outside on a ladder with a sealant gun, at 10pm mid winter. When I said, don't have time or the spare braincells to lose on TV, and held up the sealant gun as way of example. he went away
[14:09] <gonzo_> bbc4 seems to be about the only thing worthwatching
[14:09] <gonzo_> about one watchable prog per week added to the iplayer
[14:10] <gonzo_> (how much is a tv licence these days?)
[14:11] <gonzo_> googles: FFFFFF! How much.
[14:12] <gonzo_> I assume that is a colour licence?
[14:12] <fsphil> FFFFFF is white
[14:12] <gonzo_> hehe. OK< so do I get that at half the price of a B&W licence?
[14:16] <fsphil> is there even still a B+W option?
[14:22] <gonzo_> not sure, I've not had a tv for prob 10yrs
[14:23] <gonzo_> can;t see one on their webshite
[14:23] <daveake> I finally stopped the "you don't have a licence, you criminal" letters
[14:23] <daveake> threatened them with invoices and legal action
[14:23] <daveake> they actually admitted to having a bug in their computer systems
[14:24] <gonzo_> the B&W licence id prob a good argument to have at the next visit by... pause for dramatic chords..... EMFORCEMENT OFFICER....
[14:25] <daveake> saleman
[14:27] <mfa298> Is "bug in their computer system" a code for "flaw in their sales policy" ?
[14:31] <daveake> quite likely
[14:32] <eroomde> saleman is a cross between saruman and salesman?
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[14:35] <fsphil> "Your love of ITV has clearly slowed your mind"
[14:36] <AndyEsser> hehe, have just picked up a robot arm from maplin
[14:36] <AndyEsser> brother wants me to show him on Xmas Day how to wire it up to a Raspberry Pi or something to control it :)
[14:36] <fsphil> can't pick itself up? sheesh
[14:37] <AndyEsser> heh
[14:37] <fsphil> you can tell I'm not in a working mood
[14:37] <AndyEsser> might mount a USB webcam to the arm as well
[14:37] <AndyEsser> fsphil: lol me neither
[14:37] <AndyEsser> I'm playing games on my PC :)
[14:37] <eroomde> fsphil: so we were out walking in that band of rain you had
[14:37] <eroomde> got a little wet
[14:38] <fsphil> can imagine, it got a little loud here on the tin roof
[14:38] Action: cm13g09 has also had fun with TV licencing....
[14:38] <cm13g09> they're insistent on a visit to prove I don't watch live TV.....
[14:38] <eroomde> but my synthetic insulation jacket thing help up really well despite not being designed for wet
[14:38] <eroomde> was still nice and warm even though it was wet
[14:38] <fsphil> it's still weirdly warm though
[14:39] <cm13g09> If anyone would like to spot the flaw in that logic, they're welcome!
[14:39] <fsphil> I wasn't that cold when I was out watching the aurora, for it being the middle of december
[14:39] <cm13g09> fsphil: it's the Azores high (which, according to the French Ski resorts, should clear off back to the Azores....)
[14:39] <Vaizki> warmest december in recorded history here in Finland
[14:40] <fsphil> hah
[14:40] <fsphil> we've had one good fall of snow here, and a few days later it was 15c
[14:40] <cm13g09> apparently the French Ski slopes haven't seen any rain for weeks!
[14:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> had 11 plus degres yeasterday here i Sweden, warmer then on midsummer last year :)
[14:42] <Vaizki> yup.. same here
[14:42] <Vaizki> I cold smoked pike on midsummer's eve and remember it was +9
[14:42] <Vaizki> yesterday it was +11
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[15:43] <craag> Does anyone happen to know anywhere with the pi zero in stock?
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[15:44] <daveake> I have them all :p
[15:44] <craag> :(
[15:44] <daveake> well 3 anyway
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[15:44] <fsphil> I have zero
[15:44] <daveake> 3 x zero is still zero
[15:45] <fsphil> it's quite well named
[15:45] <craag> several relatives have decided that's what they want for christmas
[15:45] <craag> no idea why...
[15:45] <daveake> blimey, my relatives are usually happy with chocolate
[15:46] <craag> maybe they do mean a raspberry pie and siri was trying to be too hip?
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03benz_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=benz_chase
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[16:17] <mattbrejza> craag: just get them a stone thats about the same mass
[16:18] <mattbrejza> will probbly get the same usage
[16:18] <craag> Hah
[16:18] <adamgreig> just give them one of your random PCBs
[16:18] <craag> Actually I know why they want them - and they're ideal for it.
[16:18] <adamgreig> bookmarks?
[16:18] <craag> lol
[16:18] <craag> too short for that tbh
[16:19] <craag> live dvb-s muxing in a box
[16:19] <mattbrejza> adamgreig: http://www.tequipment.net/YokogawaTY710.html
[16:19] <adamgreig> looks fancy
[16:19] <adamgreig> quite expensive!
[16:20] <mattbrejza> 0.02% is pretty good for a handheld
[16:21] <mattbrejza> i think the 33461 6.5 digit thing is about 75ppm for comparison
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[17:59] <Vaizki> indeed.. my handheld is 1% accuracy :P
[18:02] <Vaizki> then again its an agilent :)
[18:05] <mattbrejza> an agilent dmm with an accuracy of 1%?
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[19:31] <Vaizki> mattbrejza: U1233A .. :(
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[19:33] <Vaizki> It was very cheap new and I succumbed to its temptations in a store on a whim
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[19:46] <mattbrejza> they probably specify their accuracy over a wider range to crappier ones
[19:47] <mattbrejza> datasheet says 0.5% btw
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[19:55] <Vaizki> Oh so it does, I remembered wrong
[19:55] <Vaizki> 1% for AC
[19:59] <Vaizki> my psu is supposed to be 10mV accurate so maybe I'll see how well they agree..
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[20:00] <Vaizki> but for me 0.02% would be really really good
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[21:41] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_4S - neat - an orbital launcher that would fit in my house
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> All solid
[21:42] <AndyEsser> 1 success, 4 failures
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[21:43] <Hiena> AndyEsser: Which part did you missed the solid fuel?
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[21:44] <AndyEsser> Hiena: hmm?
[21:46] <Hiena> The solid fuel stages has higher failure ratio due the nature of solid proppellant. Core cracking, fractures, exhaust clogging, assimetrical burning, etc.
[21:46] <adamgreig> bold
[21:46] <adamgreig> space shuttle had exactly as many solid motors as liquid motors on every launch...
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[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:47] <Hiena> adamgreig: and they spent one hell of budget on it.
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> adamgreig: err
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> they had two SRBs and three SSMEs
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Apart from one brief scary period
[21:50] <adamgreig> I was counting the three SSMEs as one and also including the big scary thing
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> (one abort to orbit lost an SSME
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[22:07] <Hiena> Some background info about the beauty of the solid proppellant design: http://www.okieboat.com/Booster%20History.html
[22:08] <AndyEsser> 3 hours until SpaceX launch window
[22:08] <AndyEsser> *sigh* so not going to be able to stay awake for that
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[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:17] <AndyEsser> Is it me you're looking for?
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:17] <AndyEsser> I can see it in your eyes
[22:17] Action: AndyEsser doesn't know the rest of the words
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDVWdXMGRaeFByUXM/view
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[22:21] <AndyEsser> You appear to be missing some parts :P
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[22:25] <SpeedEvil> "/
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> Should be fixed
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[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> there are still flaws
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[22:48] <fsphil> looks good
[22:49] <adamgreig> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/679068266975920128
[22:49] <adamgreig> that's a big landing zone!
[22:52] <russss> bigger than a barge
[22:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-57 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-57
[22:54] <mattbrejza> not sure id want to stand there later today
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[23:26] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/aSrEIoU - yay. First pic from a camera that gets beyond 'potato' at night
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuji-HS30EXR-Fujifilm-Finepix-Bridge-Digital-Camera-16MP-30x-Optical-Zoom-/181958368216?hash=item2a5d905bd8:g:iGYAAOSw8-tWaqtv
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> And no, it's not great.
[23:28] <Laurenceb_> orbcomm, not be be confused with orbo
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn lol orbo cube
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> sounds like time cube light
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> ring ring ring ring ring... orbo phone
[23:30] <Vaizki> this is an unknown modulation, I'm decoding garbage :)
[23:31] <Laurenceb_> how long has PS-57 been up?
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> ah 10 days
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[23:33] <Laurenceb_> not bad
[23:38] <Laurenceb_> http://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/f9_orbcomm6.jpg
[23:38] <Laurenceb_> covered in sensors
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[23:56] <Vaizki> well I can't stay up 2 more hours to see the torch go up & down so off to sleep it is :P
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