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[00:07] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
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[03:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5KNM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5KNM-11
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[10:02] <fsphil> ml&s have a discount on Diamond stuff. the x-50n has £10 off, http://www.hamradio.co.uk/aerials-antenna-manufacturers-diamond-antennas/diamond/diamond-x-50n-pd-2604.php
[10:05] <chris_99> cool
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[10:31] <chris_99> !flights
[10:31] <SpacenearUS> 03chris_99: There are no flights currently :(
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[10:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA
[10:48] <Darkside_> yay?
[10:48] <fsphil> LORUS ?
[10:51] <chris_99> i'm just wondering how do you guys who track with an rtlsdr connect audio output to fldigi? i think i had gqrx connected to fldigi for a little bit via audio, but i'm trying to do it via a remote desktop connection (x2go), so that becomes kind of awkard
[10:52] <fsphil> pulseaudio mostly
[10:53] <fsphil> in pavucontrol you can set dl-fldigi to capture audio from the output of your sound card
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[10:58] <chris_99> hmm, that becomes slightly awkward as x2go (which i use to remote desktop to the machine with the radio on) seems to present it's own audio interface to linux, so the audio ends up gettings streamed also to my PC over wifi, which doesn't work out to great, due to lagginess. You don't happen to know of something that can decode RTTY directly from rtlsdr, without needing an audio interface?
[10:59] <Darkside_> nope
[11:00] <fsphil> newer fldigi (non-DL) can connect with gqrx directly
[11:00] <Darkside_> newer fldigi also has a crappier RTTY demod
[11:00] <Darkside_> :P
[11:01] <fsphil> very much so
[11:01] <chris_99> heh, how did it get worse?
[11:01] <fsphil> they replaced it a while back. one of the reasons dl-fldigi hasn't had an update in ages
[11:02] <fsphil> could probably update everything else though
[11:02] <fsphil> the UI would be a bit ackwards as it's all in one big file
[11:04] Action: fsphil ponders an RTTY decoder in gqrx
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[11:15] <chris_99> in fldigi, is it the KISS server settings you mean, that allows you to pull in audio via a UDP port?
[11:15] <fsphil> the newer fldigi has a UDP input option in the audio config
[11:15] <fsphil> works well with gqrx's udp output
[11:17] <chris_99> hmm i'm on 3.22.13, which i think was the latest available in ubuntu, in the sound card settings i can only see oss, port audio, pulse audio and file io
[11:20] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/v8fRiSn.png
[11:20] <chris_99> ah interesting ta, i'll compile from source then
[11:20] <fsphil> possible this hasn't hit a fldigi release yet
[11:20] <chris_99> what version is that in?
[11:21] <fsphil> try jcoxon's latest: https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
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[11:27] <fsphil> I have some unfinished work that allows gqrx to be remote controlled by fldigi
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[11:29] <chris_99> awh it failed to compile
[11:30] <fsphil> did you git submodule update --init
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[11:34] <chris_99> no i didn't, i just installed libfltk1.3-dev which seems to have helped also, it's now compiling hopefully :)
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[11:37] <chris_99> awh i got :
[11:37] <chris_99> /usr/bin/ld: habitat/dl_fldigi-Uploader.o: undefined reference to symbol 'BIO_ctrl@@OPENSSL_1.0.0'
[11:38] <fsphil> you need openssl-dev
[11:39] <fsphil> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[11:39] <fsphil> which is naturally not mentioned there
[11:39] <fsphil> libcurl4-openssl-dev may be it
[11:40] <chris_99> hmm that is installed
[11:42] <fsphil> looks like the build is missing an -lssl somewhere
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[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGGIE-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGGIE-3
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[12:29] <crow_> Hell all. After a week of trying I still cant get dl-fldigi to decode my payload. All I'm getting is gibberish. On wednesday after 5 hours of trying I managed to get about a 4 minute stream of data decoding.... but i cant reprodcue it [despite my best efforts]. Does anyone have ny ideas on what I should try?
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have put the payload far from the radio 10-15m or so
[12:31] <crow_> I'm following guidance from pi-in-the-sky.com [PITS board is the hardware] and ukhas.org.uk
[12:31] <crow_> payload is about 2m away
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> maby the rx is overloading
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> by the payload being to close
[12:32] <crow_> OK, I'll give that a go. Thanks for the suggestion
[12:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> palce payload 5m from radio and unplug antenna from the receiving radio
[12:33] <crow_> ok
[12:37] <chris_99> fsphil, i'm really confused, what version of fldigi gave you that tcp option, as i just got 3.23 from ubuntu, and it doesn't have it
[12:40] <fsphil> it was from that jcoxon branch
[12:41] <chris_99> ah
[12:42] <crow_> OK, placing the payload 5-10m away didnt seem to help
[12:42] <crow_> I also switched it over to battery power for the first time.... same gibberish
[12:47] <fsphil> which was taken from a fairly recent fldigi branch
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[12:47] <fsphil> they might not be adding it to the released versions yet
[12:48] <crow_> dl-fldigi&sdr waterfalls @ http://imgur.com/gallery/hKZplv3/
[12:48] <chris_99> i read something about adding -lcrypto which might fix the error
[12:49] <chris_99> but so far no luck
[12:49] <fsphil> no luck with -lssl ?
[12:49] <chris_99> it's already got -lssl
[12:49] <fsphil> crow_: in fldigi, turn off SQL (bottom right) and turn your mode to USB from RTTY (top left)
[12:49] <fsphil> ah
[12:50] <chris_99> i wonder, could if ./configure ssl out
[12:50] <chris_99> *if i could
[12:51] <chris_99> looks like you can't
[12:51] <crow_> SQL now off, mode switched to USB - no change :-(
[12:52] <fsphil> crow_: right click on the RTTY in the bottom left, and take a screenshot of the dialog that appears
[12:52] <fsphil> your filter looks a bit narrow for 300 baud
[12:52] <fsphil> oh and unclick Rv on the bottom right
[12:56] <crow_> http://imgur.com/tl8ANOw
[12:56] <crow_> [increased filter since previous screenshot]
[12:56] <fsphil> it should be at least 300
[12:57] <fsphil> *it should be at least the baud rate
[13:00] <crow_> filter now at 320, no change [tried 300-400]
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[13:04] <crow_> I do occaisionally see fragments of my data, very occaisionally and very fragmented - 4-5 consecutive characters separated by lots and lots of gibberish
[13:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGGIE-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGGIE-2
[13:15] <crow_> Is there anyway for me to record a sound file of my recieved transmission, send it to someone else to see if they can decode it with dl-fldigi? That might narrow down where the problem lies
[13:18] <fsphil> yeah fldigi has a capture option in the menus
[13:18] <fsphil> I'm not familiar with your payload. try 7-bit?
[13:21] <crow_> according to the pi-in-the-sky documentation , its definitely 8bit. [just tried 7bit, no change]
[13:22] <fsphil> hmpf. I gotta go for a bit, bbl
[13:24] Nick change: bradfirj_ -> bradfirj
[13:29] <crow_> goddamnit..... just got another uninterrupted string of about 20 seconds of decoded data on dl-fldigi. Now back to gibberish
[13:31] <Ian_> So, what changed to allow the uninterrupted string? had you moved in the room perhaps, or stopped moving about?
[13:32] <crow_> I was messing aorund with the gain on sdr#
[13:32] <crow_> but cant reproduce :-(
[13:32] <Ian_> OK, and did you turn it up or down to get the good copy?
[13:32] <crow_> up
[13:33] <Ian_> The whole point is, that you may not be able to reproduce it, but it is reproducable . . .
[13:33] <crow_> yep, understood
[13:35] <crow_> holy cr*p, we're in business
[13:35] <Ian_> A lot of the problem, with no disrespect, is that you are working severally blind, with little knowledge of SDR#, DL_FLDIGI, RTTY or radio communications generally - the net result is that you are up to your neck in sticky stuff, but seems there is now a glimmer of hope :)
[13:35] <crow_> 1 minute and counting of steaming data
[13:36] <Ian_> OK, you need to note what you did to get it good - it isn't an accident!
[13:36] <crow_> Absolutely no offence taken :) First step on learning is to realise how little you know ;)
[13:36] <Ian_> It's a big ask with so many alien technologies, the learning curve is quite steep when thought about
[13:38] <Ian_> Just now you are looking to establish consistency of your results and hopefully be able to repeat them. While it's all working OK, you could establish a good distance between tx and rx for future testing that you will be comfortable with
[13:39] <crow_> Absolutely, I am learning a lot but i recognise I'm skating on thin and patchy ice. Over the next year I'll be working to thicken that ice and join it together ;)
[13:39] <Ian_> Then note such things as mode, no SQLch etc. With data, the software is best left to make sense of the data/noise. SQLch is there for human ears to prevent you getting deafened or fatigued from listening to lots of noise
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[13:40] <Ian_> SQLch with data screws around with the software, which is why everyone says to turn it off.
[13:43] <Ian_> Have a good play and ask your questions. It's a bit frustrating trying to solve remotely sometimes as you can imagine there is a lag in complying with advice given and interpretations of instructions vary too . . .
[13:44] <Ian_> fsphil might be soaking his brain at the moment, but he obviously was making progress with you.
[13:44] <crow_> I absolutely get the "fixing things remotely" frustration. There are few things worse than knowing that if you could just get your own hands on it youd understand the problem almost immediately
[13:47] <Ian_> Most people seem to think of the reception of the tracker that they have built or bought to be the easy bit, not realising how deep the gulf of understanding is.
[13:48] <Ian_> A lot of people arrive here through an interest in HAB and pick up the radio knowledge, others arrive from amateur radio and suddenly realise what a great vehicle HAB is for extending and exercising their knowledge \
[13:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4NFP-Chase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4NFP-Chase_chase
[13:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ7PFS-5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ7PFS-5
[13:49] <Ian_> and others arrive as blank pages, yet to be written
[13:51] <mfa298> There's a lot to be said about playing around with some of the bits of software, e.g. just use sdr# to listen to broadcast FM, airband, marine band etc. and get used to how the controls work and what they do. Also trying to decode and track other peoples balloons - it's a lot less stressful when its not your payload.
[13:52] <Ian_> It's all good stuff and the support from the really clever guys is a testament to each of them - outstanding.
[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-11
[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp-car - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp-car
[13:53] <mfa298> It's a shame there's not so much data traffic on the high bands, playing around with dl-fldigi on hf adds a whole load of extra things to get used to.
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[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ramsey_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ramsey_chase
[13:59] <crow_> I'm genuinely appreciative of all the advice. The way I'd mapped out the next few months in my mind was to understand the basics of transmit-recieve data from my own payload [in that phase now and will be for some time yet]. then towards the end of that start to learn and experiment with recieving data from other peoples payloads. Then hopefully attend a few launches if anyone is interested in an extra pair of hands.
[14:02] <Ian_> When you think that your progress might have been slow, bear in mind that I came into HAB after someone suggested that it might be a good idea \
[14:03] <Ian_> Both he and others in the group seemed to think at the time that tracking a HAB was a matter of aiming a yagi . . . to you are streets ahead of them. Our progress is slow as we wait for the penny to drop with some of our group members, but it's getting there!
[14:04] <Ian_> The main thing is to enjoy the learning and it certainly keeps the grey cells active.
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[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3FOE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3FOE
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[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kj4cqq-car - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kj4cqq-car
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kj4cqq_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kj4cqq_chase
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[14:39] <Laurenceb> sup
[14:49] <fsphil> stuff
[14:49] <fsphil> crow_: sounds like you've made progress
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[15:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL4MDW-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW-12
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[16:47] <chris_99> fsphil, i fixed it :) you need -lcrypto everywhere in front of -lssl
[16:48] <fsphil> oh weird. sounds like autotools failed to do the right thing
[16:49] <chris_99> do you know what kind of TCP data it actually wants, like could i somehow pipe rtl_fm to it
[16:49] <fsphil> not done that, but in theory it should work
[16:50] <fsphil> it expects 48khz mono 16-bit samples
[16:50] <chris_99> cool, i'll give that a shot
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[16:57] <cm13g09_> chris_99: that sounds like a VERY broken autotools
[16:57] Nick change: cm13g09_ -> cm13g09
[16:57] <chris_99> ah
[16:59] <cm13g09> what does the output of `pkg-config --libs openssl` give you?
[16:59] <cm13g09> it should give you at least '-lssl -lcrypto'
[16:59] <chris_99> -lssl -lcrypto
[16:59] <cm13g09> hmm....
[17:00] <cm13g09> that's interesting....
[17:00] <cm13g09> -lcrypto should have ended up in the arguments to your linker if autotools behaved itself
[17:01] <cm13g09> sounds like something/somebody is mangling the output of pkg-config somewhere
[17:01] <chris_99> heh i can pipe /dev/urandom at least to fldigi now
[17:01] <chris_99> now to see if i can pipe rtl_fm
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[17:02] <fsphil> you'll probably still hear rtty from /dev/urandom
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[17:02] <chris_99> yeah i could see the waterfall all nice and yellow
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[17:07] <Hix_> Hello. I've just found out that my mate Ashley has created a series of video tuts for programming in C. He's done a pretty good job imho. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCNJWVn9MJuPtPyljb-hewNfwEGES2oIW
[17:07] <Hix_> thought that they could be useful for guys on here learning C
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[17:17] <chris_99> hmm, is there something that i could decode with fldigi that's always broadcasting?
[17:18] <fsphil> some amateur repeaters send out CW once in a while
[17:18] <fsphil> and some beacons too
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[17:18] <chris_99> ta, i'll have a look for that, fldigi can't decode pocsag can it? as i know i can pick that up
[17:19] <fsphil> nope
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[17:23] <chris_99> hmm i can see something anyway on 144MHz a straight yellow line and a slightly wavey one too :)
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[19:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[19:14] <LunarMobile> Hi
[19:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9AIQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9AIQ-11
[19:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[21:08] <Laurenceb> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10509-012-1197-0
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[21:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
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[21:54] <fl_0> re
[21:55] <fl_0> anyone knows why the internal temp sensor of the PitS board is shown as external sensor in the telemetry string?
[21:55] <daveake> yes
[21:55] <fl_0> a change of external_tempsensor variable in the config file didn't yield any change
[21:55] <fl_0> ah hi daveake
[21:55] <fl_0> :)
[21:56] <daveake> See (bottom of) http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=adding-an-external-temperature-sensor
[21:56] <fl_0> ah thank you
[21:56] <fl_0> we read through the sites yesterday evening
[21:56] <fl_0> but quite missed that part
[21:56] <fl_0> of course
[21:56] <daveake> yup :)
[21:56] <fl_0> *facepalm*
[22:04] <fl_0> thank you
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[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> back on PC
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[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> hmmm atlas scrubbed again
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[23:39] <Laurenceb> grr Haxxa has got me wanting to build a deep sea ROV now
[23:39] <Laurenceb> I guess there isnt much to see down there tho
[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2JMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2JMG-11
[23:44] <daveake> My neigbour's other half is Engineering Director at a company that does subsea comms and positioning
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> ELF/VLF and so on?
[23:45] <daveake> http://www.sonardyne.com/
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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