highaltitude.log.20151201

[00:03] <Ian_> in lynx . . . lol, well it would do. A face for radio even!
[00:03] <Ian_> the reference will probably be lost on Windows users.
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[06:17] <Haxxa> a> Would it be possible to chuck a camera in a acrylic container attach a piece of lead to it so it sinks and record it as it falls to the bottom of the ocean with a time delay to release the lead block and record it floating up?
[06:27] <heathkid> kinda dark for a camera at the bottom of the ocean
[06:27] <heathkid> got lights?
[06:27] <heathkid> also... how are you going to deal with the pressure?
[06:28] <heathkid> unless you want a *very* tiny electronics blob
[06:29] <heathkid> waterproof camera in a water filled sphere maybe?
[06:30] <heathkid> or use gasoline to fill the sphere
[06:30] <Haxxa> heathkid, that wouldn't work the presure would still crush anything not thick enough
[06:30] <heathkid> you didn't say how thick
[06:30] <Haxxa> I was considering getting small ball with 2 inch thick acrylic
[06:31] <Haxxa> and camera module inside
[06:31] <heathkid> liquid filled
[06:31] <Haxxa> yep
[06:31] <heathkid> might work
[06:32] <heathkid> I'm as interested in deep ocean as I am in high altitude
[06:32] <heathkid> both are pretty extreme
[06:33] <heathkid> now HAB to release a probe to explore the ocean floor... then come back up... hmmm...
[06:33] <Haxxa> yep - reaching there with something hand made would be pretty cool
[06:33] <Haxxa> HAB?
[06:34] <heathkid> high altitude balloon released ocean floor probe
[06:34] <heathkid> so both near space and ocean floor
[06:35] <heathkid> pretty special payload
[06:35] <heathkid> would be a lot of fun!
[06:36] <heathkid> recovery might be difficult
[06:37] <heathkid> not impossible... just near possible stuff...
[06:37] <heathkid> abandon the probe and re-launch the data
[06:37] <heathkid> transmit it
[06:37] <heathkid> once it's back on the surface
[06:38] <Haxxa> heathkid, nothing like this has been done before - except the recovery of nasa apollo return craft
[06:39] <heathkid> :)
[06:39] <heathkid> but apollo crafts didn't go to the ocean floor
[06:39] <heathkid> there was a Mercury that did
[06:39] <heathkid> sorry Gus
[06:40] <heathkid> but we got that back anyway
[06:40] <heathkid> I can't think of a reason it couldn't be done
[06:41] <heathkid> except $$$
[06:41] <Haxxa> http://i.imgur.com/F6RC1AJ.jpg
[06:41] <Haxxa> whatever that is
[06:41] <Haxxa> did similar thing
[06:41] <arko> hmm, that is suppose to be above sea level
[06:41] <Haxxa> I would love to launch it near trench thats 11km deep - it would take hours to reach bottom
[06:42] <heathkid> uh... that is Friendship 7 (is that right?)
[06:42] <heathkid> Grissom's Mercury
[06:42] <heathkid> "the hatch just blew"
[06:43] <heathkid> yep
[06:43] <heathkid> I'm pretty sure it did when it hit the salt water
[06:44] <heathkid> dang... not 7
[06:44] <heathkid> hold on
[06:46] <heathkid> sorry... "Liberty Bell 7"
[06:46] <heathkid> the 2nd Mercury mission
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[08:52] <Beam> Hello
[08:52] <Beam> Beam again
[08:52] <Beam> I made a flight document yesterday
[08:52] <Beam> and I was wondering if that came through and if it is correct
[08:55] <Beam> because we're launching tomorrow and I really want everything to work
[08:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have to paste that flight doc in habhub cannel
[08:57] <Vaizki> did you test the payload? if yes and they were parsed ok, go to #habhub
[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> parsed aka showed on map
[08:58] <Beam> yeah It's on the map
[08:58] <Beam> great I'll do that
[08:58] <Beam> thanks
[09:03] <daveake> Good luck. Bit windy tomorrow.
[09:03] <daveake> Where is the launch ?
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[09:06] <craag> they're in NL
[09:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> in Sliedrecht
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[09:10] <daveake> 24kph winds ... not pleasant
[09:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ASTROPI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ASTROPI
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[09:28] <cm13g09> daveake: nothing compares to last weekend though!
[09:28] <cm13g09> (that is, weekend of the 21st/22nd)
[09:29] <daveake> yeah, not that bad
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[09:40] <Vaizki> was 24m/s here yesterday
[09:43] <chris_99> wow
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[12:14] <pb0ahx> !flights
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
[12:33] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/QbruaXm.gifv
[12:33] <chris_99> haha
[12:40] <chris_99> i'm wondering what would happen in actuality, would the water even come out of the shower part
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> No.
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> The water would shoot up to at most the level of the sea
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[12:44] <chris_99> yeah that's what i was wondering, so only as much water in the tube, as the boat is deep in the water
[12:44] <chris_99> ?
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[12:46] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[12:46] <chris_99> cool, ta
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Of course, it will then sink a bit more
[12:47] <chris_99> could we however make a gigantic soap powered boat instead
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> soap power - differntial surface tension - does not scale
[12:48] <chris_99> alas
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[12:49] <SpeedEvil> Drag goes with width^2, thrust from surface tension goes as width^1
[12:49] <chris_99> awh
[12:50] <chris_99> couldn't you make a long boat then
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> the above simplifies alas
[12:50] <chris_99> heh
[12:51] <chris_99> oh well
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[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M6LZY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M6LZY
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[16:34] <Laurenceb_> oh dear
[16:34] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1451024#msg1451024
[16:42] <Laurenceb_> horizon + emdrive thats like fail + epic fail
[16:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FRANKR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FRANKR
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[16:45] <Matt_PrjHet> Hey daveake, we're running though our pre-flight checklist in case Friday is good.
[16:46] <Matt_PrjHet> Do we just call the CAA 5 mins before launch as per usual?
[16:46] <Matt_PrjHet> Or what I gather is usual... CUSF did it for us last time.
[16:47] <fsphil> the CAA will have told you if you need to contact a local ATC before launching
[16:47] <adamgreig> (that's normal for us and the Cambridge tower and our specific permission to launch (we also call 24h before), but might vary elsewhere)
[16:47] <fsphil> it'll be on your NOTAM
[16:48] <fsphil> I have sometimes been told I don't need to contact anyone (far enough from airports), other times 12-hours before and more recently just an hour before launch
[16:48] <daveake> Matt_PrjHet You're still intending to launch from here?
[16:49] <Matt_PrjHet> If possible...
[16:50] <daveake> Good job I applied for permission this morning then :p
[16:50] <Matt_PrjHet> Predictions are 50/50, but I'm hoping that'll improve in the next couple of days.
[16:51] <Matt_PrjHet> Woo-hoo!!
[16:51] <Matt_PrjHet> :D
[16:51] <daveake> For here, no need to call ATC
[16:51] <Matt_PrjHet> You're still planning on launching too?
[16:51] <fsphil> handy
[16:51] <daveake> Yes
[16:51] <daveake> For future reference, I need to give them 72 hours notice, so need to know by then (this morning)
[16:54] <WillDWork> Do you not need the 30 days notice these days?
[16:54] <daveake> Was never 30 ... 28
[16:55] <WillDWork> yeah that
[16:55] <daveake> However the frequenct-flyer sites are all/most on a 72-hour-notice thing
[16:55] <WillDWork> cool - very useful
[16:55] <daveake> Which means, no need for an application, just send an email with dates/times/number of flights
[16:56] <Matt_PrjHet> Frequent flyer, love it! Is it valid all day? Our hopeful launch time has swung from 0800 to 1500 in the last 24 hours.
[16:56] <daveake> I asked for 10am - 4pm, iirc
[16:57] <Matt_PrjHet> Great stuff.
[16:57] <daveake> you weren't around so I just asked for 2 flights
[16:58] <Matt_PrjHet> You're a top top bloke dave!
[16:59] <Matt_PrjHet> We'll hopefully be up Thursday night in preparation for Friday. Can we buy you some beer?
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[17:09] <daveake> We're outside town, so I'd have to drive and not drink, but anyway I'll probably be busy with last-minute stuff on my payload
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[17:16] <fsphil> that never happens
[17:16] <daveake> I know, but just in case, on the off chance
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[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[17:44] <Beam> Hello
[17:44] <Beam> Beam again
[17:44] <Beam> I'm assembling the payload right now
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[17:45] <Beam> and I was just wondering which parts should go outside the box
[17:45] <Beam> apart from the camera
[17:45] <Beam> we have a temperature sensor, a GPS radio antenna and a transmitting antenna
[17:45] <Beam> which of those things should leave the box?
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> pros leave the box on the ground
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> sorry :D
[17:46] <Beam> XD
[17:46] <Beam> lol
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> the sensor, depends on what you want, it might be nice to have two sensors, in and out
[17:46] <Beam> yeah I mean the one that measures the external temperature
[17:47] <Beam> It's a probe
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:47] <daveake> Well, needs to be external then
[17:47] <Beam> allright
[17:47] <Beam> and the antenna's?
[17:47] <Beam> antennas*
[17:47] <daveake> gps at the top, inside or out
[17:47] <Beam> okay
[17:47] <daveake> radio at the bottom, below anything else
[17:48] <daveake> outside is normal :/
[17:48] <Beam> allright so If I understand correctly the multi-directional transmitting antenna should in fact be outside?
[17:48] <daveake> Unless it's a huge box you can't have it inside without something else metal bing neat the radiating element
[17:49] <Beam> because it seems really simply breakable
[17:49] <Beam> it's a small box
[17:49] <daveake> if it's a small box then it won't fit inside
[17:49] <Beam> right
[17:49] <Beam> yeah it doesnt really
[17:50] <Beam> so then I just let it hang?
[17:50] <daveake> You can protect with pipe insulation. e.g. (random pic from internet) http://www.timzaman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/31.jpg
[17:51] <Beam> allright
[17:51] <Beam> don't have that but we'll think of something
[17:52] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
[17:54] <Beam> and the GPS, when you said it needs to be at the top, did you mean in or outside?
[17:56] <Matt_PrjHet> Well we haven't booked anywhere yet, if there's somewhere nearby you know..? We'd love to say thanks somehow.
[17:56] <Matt_PrjHet> If not, for the launch site, shall we make our way to the Ross-on-Wye red dot at 10am?
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[18:39] <Beam> whoopsies had to take care of my internet for a sec there
[18:40] <Beam> so i missed the answer to my question (if anyone answered it that is ;) )
[18:40] <Beam> is the GPS antenna supposed to go outside (on top) of the box, or inside the box? :)
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> both work
[18:41] <Beam> oh awesome
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> like in a styro box
[18:41] <Beam> ye
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> at least on our first balloon it was in the box and now for the second it will be too
[18:41] <Beam> should be fine then, we're gonna start 'cutting' the box in shape now
[18:43] <eroomde> inside but facing up :)
[18:43] <Matt_PrjHet> We have ours outside, on top.
[18:44] <Beam> and which side is the up side? XD
[18:44] <Beam> oh, looks like both are inded possible
[18:45] <eroomde> er
[18:45] <eroomde> check to be sure for your specific antenna
[18:45] <eroomde> no assuming
[18:45] <Beam> alrighty
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[18:50] <Laurenceb_> both being up side sounds unlikely
[18:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0319 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[18:52] <Beam> We have another question
[18:52] <Beam> http://imgur.com/AZhCwMs
[18:52] <Beam> here you can see that the red lines in fldigi following the signal are really narrow and don't seem to cover the whole signal
[18:52] <Beam> is this a problem?
[18:53] <fsphil> looks ok
[18:54] <Beam> yeah?
[18:54] <fsphil> at the higher speeds it can be a little hard to tell where the two frequencies are
[18:54] <Beam> so it's not like decoding for a part of the signal?
[18:56] <craag> the 300/600 combination is a weird one
[18:56] <fsphil> some of the energy gets spread out
[18:56] <craag> in that they cancel out on the 'inner' of sideband
[18:56] <fsphil> and there's some weird mixing effects
[18:56] <craag> so it looks weird
[18:56] <craag> but that's perfectly set up :)
[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You might want to broaden the bandwidth in dl-fldigi, the two horizontal lines above the two vertical lines on the display
[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The RED ones
[18:56] <craag> no you should be fine
[18:56] <craag> filter rolloff at 300 is quite large
[18:57] <fsphil> try running it at 50 baud, you'll see the two lines much more clearly
[18:57] <fsphil> and it'll be a bit easier to see if your shift is correct
[19:03] <Beam> if we run it at 50 baud it doesnt follow the signal anymore
[19:04] <Beam> so 300 makes more sense
[19:04] <eroomde> that sounds like something is wrong
[19:04] <Beam> o
[19:04] <eroomde> why would lowering the baud rate make frequency drift harder to track?
[19:05] <eroomde> and therefore why do you observe that and just assume that 300 baud is therefore better without wondering why?
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[19:05] <Beam> the only thing we see is that it works with 300 and doesnt work with 50
[19:06] <eroomde> sure, i'm just saying that's surprising and odd
[19:06] <Beam> yeah i understand
[19:06] <Beam> is there anything we can do about this now?
[19:06] <eroomde> i can't immediately think of why that would be, if everything else was normal
[19:06] <Beam> or could we specifically check if some things that might cause this strangeness are not 'normal'?
[19:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you reducing the shift when dropping to 50baud ?
[19:07] <eroomde> that ^
[19:07] <eroomde> could you post a screenshot again at 50?
[19:07] <Beam> yeah 1 sec
[19:09] <Beam> we're not reducing the shift
[19:10] <eroomde> i haven't been tracking the scrollback - why is there so much drift?
[19:12] <Beam> what should we set the shift to when the baud is set to 50?
[19:13] <Beam> http://imgur.com/Hv3HU1a
[19:13] <Beam> here is what happens with 50 baud and 200 shift
[19:14] <craag> You're not changing the baudrate on the transmitter!
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[19:14] <craag> You need to do that too..
[19:14] <Beam> o rightt
[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> and if your not changing the shift then it needs to read 50/600 on the bottom line.
[19:15] <Beam> we need to change the settings in the PITS?
[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> both Transimtter and receiver must match!
[19:15] <Beam> yes
[19:16] <Beam> all i know is that we were instructed to set the baud to 300 and shift to 600
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[19:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> are you doing SSDV as well or just telemetry ?
[19:16] <Beam> I don't want to fondle around with the settings too much because I want to focus on building the payload today
[19:16] <Beam> im launching tomorrow
[19:17] <Beam> both
[19:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> in that case you need 300/600 to get the pictures down fast enough.
[19:17] <Beam> okay
[19:17] <Beam> so if I set it to that I should be okay?
[19:18] <Beam> because like I said I want to focus on the payload
[19:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Those are the normal settings, only you can tell if you have done enough testing
[19:18] <Beam> things are going pretty good right now
[19:18] <Beam> with the readings
[19:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> what range do you get on the ground when you tested ?
[19:18] <Beam> around a kilometre
[19:18] <Beam> and the signal wasnt gone yet
[19:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> OK for ground level thats good
[19:19] <Beam> awesome
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[19:19] <Beam> I'm really worried about the real flight because I dont know if the signal will hold up
[19:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Thats why yiou test and test and test ....
[19:19] <Beam> right true
[19:20] <Beam> what tests can we do more?
[19:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> to make sure its reliable, to check drift, put it in a fridge etc.
[19:20] <Beam> except for the 1km ground testing
[19:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> throw the final package down the stairs to see if it holds up to landing ....
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[19:21] <Beam> but first we have to work on the payload box right?
[19:21] <Beam> ah smart
[19:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> AFK
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[19:22] <Beam> so are we we're going to work on the payload
[19:22] <Beam> thanks for the help
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[19:41] <Beam> we have a pi in the sky (mini) camera and we are wondering how exactly to position it
[19:41] <Beam> anyone have experience with the raspberry Pi camera?
[19:42] <Upu> out the side
[19:42] <Upu> slighly angle down 5' or so
[19:42] <Upu> but don't worry about it
[19:42] <Beam> allright
[19:43] <Beam> so we just make a slit the camera can go through and then tape it to the side?
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[19:46] <Beam> thankyouverymuch ^^
[19:46] <Upu> yep
[19:46] <Upu> that will work
[19:46] <Upu> generates enough heat itself
[19:47] <Beam> awesome, thanks bro!
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, I got a short ublox question
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> I watched a video on youtube where someone had a NEO-6M and he showed that he set the update rate to 10 Hz in ucenter, then he disconnected it from the computer, plugged it into an arduino and showed it was updating at 10Hz
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> but I thought if you cut power, ubloxes reset themselves to default?
[20:32] <crow_> evening all, I'm new to all this and I'm trying to get to grips with SDR. I'm trying to follow instructions on ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker but it would seem the recommended software sdrsharp is no longer available. Is there an alternate option I should look to?
[20:32] Action: prog facepalms
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[20:36] <Upu> heh
[20:36] <Upu> where are you looking for SDR sharp crow_?
[20:37] <Upu> http://airspy.com/download/
[20:37] <crow_> ah.... so name change?
[20:37] Action: prog facepalms again
[20:37] <Upu> just different location
[20:38] <Upu> I've updated the link
[20:40] <adamgreig> haha daveake you should launch it, I'll catch
[20:40] <daveake> deal :)
[20:40] <adamgreig> bonus points if you manage to land right on pi towers :P
[20:41] <daveake> I've been up on their roof (with Steve, aiming yagis)
[20:41] <adamgreig> I've seen the photos
[20:41] <Upu> this is odd I can see Dave's tweets if I go to twitter.com/daveake
[20:42] <Upu> but they aren't on my "feed"
[20:42] <eroomde> you blocked him
[20:42] <daveake> lol
[20:42] <Upu> heh
[20:42] <crow_> @Upu: Many thanks for the help!
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[20:44] <Upu> doesn't appear to be that
[20:45] <Upu> Lunar_Lander depends some Ublox have memory in them
[20:46] <adamgreig> (and you can attach memory externally to most of them too)
[20:46] <Upu> that too
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> he said he did that trick on neo6m, neo7m and max7m
[20:47] <Upu> and all those cheap modules from China have battery backups
[20:47] <Upu> well small supercaps
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:48] <eroomde> china is making lots of supercaps
[20:48] <eroomde> i wish japan to counter with ultra-mega-caps
[20:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STEE-L - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STEE-L
[20:50] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/gURSiej.jpg
[20:50] <eroomde> you can use that in your marketing if you want upu
[20:51] <eroomde> i give you permission, for a reasonably royalty per gps sold
[20:51] <Beam> about the transmitting antenna, we now have it so that it comes out through the bottom of the box. Two questions: can we go for it without insulating the long wire in the middle? Second: the horizontal part (the four horizontal wires attached to the middle wire) seem to be attached really weakly. It is holding, even when we shake it a bit. Is this a problem?
[20:51] <Beam> sorry for the poor timing
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[20:51] <Upu> lol
[20:51] <eroomde> Beam: 1) yes. 2) yes
[20:51] <eroomde> make the antenna robust
[20:51] <eroomde> it will be bashed
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[20:52] <Beam> can we use ducttape?
[20:52] <Upu> yeah its going to get the sh*tr knocked out of it
[20:52] <daveake> and it's something you don't want to fail
[20:52] <Beam> yeah true
[20:52] <eroomde> yes you can use duct tabpe
[20:52] <eroomde> many a space program has
[20:52] <eroomde> is it flexible wire?
[20:52] <Beam> okay grea
[20:52] <Beam> t
[20:52] <Beam> yes
[20:53] <Beam> it is flexible
[20:53] <eroomde> don;t use solid core for the vertical part
[20:53] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGLB9-LdpYM
[20:53] <eroomde> unless it's supported by something
[20:53] <Upu> note you keep seeing the antenna radials in view
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[20:53] <eroomde> Beam: there is a test some people advocate, which is that you should feel fairly confident about throwing/rolling your payload down the stairs
[20:53] <eroomde> and having it survive
[20:54] <Beam> all right
[20:54] <eroomde> consider than 5m/s landing is actually about 11mph/16kmh
[20:54] <eroomde> that's actually quite a bump!
[20:55] <eroomde> ao you don't want the antenna to break, or the batteries to pop out, or anything like that
[20:55] <Beam> but it doesnt mess up the current through the wire when I use duct tape?
[20:55] <Beam> i understand
[20:55] <eroomde> nope
[20:55] <eroomde> it makes basically zero difference
[20:55] <eroomde> well, actually
[20:55] <Beam> ok great
[20:55] <eroomde> make sure it's not the metal-reinforced duct tape ;)
[20:56] <eroomde> but usually it's a cloth mesh with plastic tape rather than metal mesh with plastic tape
[20:56] <Beam> hahaha will do
[20:56] <adamgreig> have you ever used speed tape eroomde?
[20:56] <eroomde> no? not knowingly with that brnad name
[20:56] <eroomde> what is it?
[20:56] <eroomde> sounds cool
[20:56] <adamgreig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape
[20:56] <adamgreig> Speed tape is an aluminized pressure-sensitive tape used to do minor repairs on aircraft and racing cars.
[20:57] <adamgreig> it sounds way cool
[20:57] <adamgreig> i want some
[20:57] <adamgreig> "It has an appearance similar to duct tape, for which it is sometimes mistaken, but its adhesive is capable of sticking on an airplane fuselage or wing at high speeds, hence the name."
[20:57] <eroomde> Beam: if you were encasing it in lots of ceramic that might change the electrical length a bit, but a few layers of duct tape, or a sheet of polystyrene, basically have no effect on the radio properties
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[20:57] <Beam> okay great
[20:57] <Beam> also another question
[20:57] <eroomde> adamgreig: i *think* we might have some at work
[20:57] <eroomde> i'll ask james
[20:58] <eroomde> he'll probably have a draw of it in the iso container, each with its own specialism
[20:58] <adamgreig> haha
[20:59] <Beam> I want to lay down the GPS radio antenna face up in the box, but I'm not 100% sure what the 'face up' side is. There are two sides, one is grey with text on it which is magnetic, and the other one is just rounded and black. I suspect the magnetic side is the 'face down' side.
[20:59] <adamgreig> yes
[20:59] <daveake> black up
[20:59] <Upu> take the magnet out
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> 'no' GPS antennas are naturally magnetic
[20:59] <Upu> save 2g
[20:59] <SpeedEvil> It's for sticking it to metal surfaces, and tthat
[21:00] <Beam> take the magnet out??
[21:01] <Upu> yep
[21:01] <Upu> peel the sticker off
[21:01] <Upu> leaver the magnet out with small screw driver
[21:01] <Upu> put it on your fridge
[21:02] <Beam> why?
[21:02] <Upu> thats where magnets live
[21:02] <eroomde> :)
[21:02] <Beam> okay so you're just pulling my leg are you?
[21:02] <Beam> XD
[21:02] <Upu> well there is no reason to have the magnet in there I'd take it out
[21:03] <Beam> okay
[21:03] <Beam> I'll do that
[21:03] <eroomde> it is actually good advice - the magnets are they so they can stick the antenna on a car roof or whatever - you don't need them for your hab
[21:03] <eroomde> and so removing them saves the weight
[21:03] <eroomde> it's not essential tho
[21:03] <Beam> aaah I see
[21:03] <Beam> will do
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> No.
[21:03] <Upu> anything that isn't needed
[21:03] <Upu> take it out
[21:03] <Upu> got some hand warmers in there ?
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> removing weight where you can is good
[21:03] <Beam> no...
[21:03] <Beam> this is what we have
[21:03] <Beam> http://imgur.com/oyjYvf5
[21:03] <Upu> good you don't need to remove them then
[21:04] <eroomde> Beam: before doing anything else
[21:04] <eroomde> make sure you tape up your batteries
[21:04] <Upu> I was just typing that
[21:04] <Beam> yeah we are still going to ducttape everything up
[21:04] <eroomde> cool
[21:04] <Beam> but the launch isnt untill tomorrow so we'll do that then
[21:04] <daveake> And stick that gps aerial to the lid, not the base
[21:04] <Upu> fill the box with packing nuggets
[21:04] <Beam> okay
[21:04] <Beam> packing nuggets?
[21:05] <Upu> not necessary
[21:05] <Beam> like the pop material? XD
[21:05] <Upu> no those will just pop I suspect
[21:05] <Beam> XD
[21:05] <Upu> http://img2-1.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/10/products/03-ten-uses-packing-peanuts/00-reuse-peanuts.jpg
[21:05] <Beam> I'll just google paching nuggets
[21:05] <Beam> o there you go XD
[21:05] <Upu> very light
[21:05] <Beam> aaaaah
[21:05] <Beam> yeah that's a good one
[21:06] <Beam> know any alternatives? we don't really have that here now
[21:06] <Upu> its ok
[21:06] <eroomde> screw up newspaper?
[21:06] <eroomde> it's not *really* necessary to have anything
[21:07] <Beam> yeah but it keeps evertything in place
[21:07] <Beam> on top of the tape
[21:07] <Beam> but we're going to do some tests now so I'll be afk
[21:07] <Beam> thanks everyone!
[21:07] <eroomde> good luck
[21:07] <daveake> Make sure the pi cam is the right way up
[21:07] <Beam> yeah
[21:07] <Beam> will do
[21:07] <Beam> thanks
[21:07] <daveake> people seem to get that wrong quite often :/
[21:08] <Upu> you can rotate it in software
[21:09] <eroomde> i think you should put an uplink command for that in lora daveake
[21:09] <eroomde> a sort of in-flight patch for people who launch with CHANGEME and an upside down camera
[21:09] <Upu> :)
[21:09] <daveake> :)
[21:09] <eroomde> that'd be pretty hardcore manufacturer support :)
[21:10] <daveake> Chance of someone getting the camera wrong, but the uplink settings right, are low :)
[21:10] <daveake> but yes that would be fun :)
[21:10] <eroomde> you could do the uplink i mean
[21:10] <eroomde> from pits hq
[21:10] <Upu> haha
[21:10] <eroomde> have master keys
[21:10] <Upu> Tesla style
[21:10] <eroomde> and a big old yagi
[21:10] <daveake> yes but they need to set an uplink listening window
[21:10] <eroomde> yeah exactly
[21:10] <daveake> which ofc could be the default
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> btw
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[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> did somone really use that PUBX polling method where you send the ublox a 00*33 to get all sorts of data at once
[21:14] <eroomde> you make it sound like some sort of legendary bit of interfacing that has reached mythological status
[21:14] <eroomde> like in the new star wars trailer
[21:15] <eroomde> 'it's atrue. all of it'
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:15] <daveake> UBX, I Am Your Father
[21:16] <Upu> lol
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDT3hyYTVSczd1VU0/view?usp=sharing
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> my "small" camera project
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> had to scale up to a 644p due to dual UART
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> but it finally works
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> (on the right on top of the white styro box)
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[21:29] <eroomde> you can zoom in a bit more if you want
[21:29] <eroomde> :p
[21:33] <Laurenceb> nasaspaceflight actually came up with some sensible comments on super stripi
[21:33] <eroomde> i'm still not really sure what i'm meant to be looking at
[21:34] <Laurenceb> they think the torque free precession was driven by the first stage fins just before burnout
[21:34] <eroomde> hey Lunar_Lander, check out this one particular shell i found! https://becindenmark.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/p1011542.jpg
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[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> sorry I should have taken a better photo
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> can you see that piece of stripboard with the camera module on it?
[21:36] <Laurenceb> which matches what happens when I simulate it
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> just to the right of the center of the picture
[21:37] <daveake> Nice. This is a pic of our house http://i.imgur.com/9Ac1T3w.jpg
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> LOL :D
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> sorry :)
[21:37] <Upu> haha
[21:39] <Beam> can I empty my sd card some other way than going into the code and use that stuff we did a few days ago?
[21:39] <eroomde> but, it does look cool regardless
[21:39] <eroomde> lots of fun to be had with those uart cameras
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:44] <daveake> create clear.txt on the SD card
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, the thing was, first it worked on an arduino mega, then it worked on an uno, using softwareSerial, then I soldered up a small board with a 328p and the same code, it refused to work
[21:44] <Beam> not that I don't trust you, but won't that accidentally wipe out all the files?
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> several hours of checking later, it didn't work on the Uno either but again on the mega
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> and then I tried out the 644p
[21:45] <daveake> my eyes: ^ ^
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> that wasn't without problems either, I first checked the contacts, then inserted the IC, connected the power and the USB on the PC went down, quickly unplugged it again
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> and I saw what I did, I shorted VCC and GND on the IC socket
[21:45] <Beam> didnt want to insult you :'|
[21:46] <daveake> yet you did
[21:46] <Beam> im sorry
[21:46] <Beam> it's just that 'clear' sounds really fatal
[21:46] <daveake> clear.txt erases the photos created by pits
[21:46] <Beam> I trust you
[21:46] <daveake> <--------------- this guy
[21:46] <daveake> wrote the code
[21:46] <Beam> I know!
[21:46] <daveake> so trust him
[21:47] <Beam> and I respect you immensely but it's the day before the launch, I'm 17, and if stuff goes wrong now I don't know what to do...
[21:47] <Beam> so I hope me being REALLY nervous explains it
[21:48] <Upu> you do know what to do
[21:48] <Upu> come on here and ask
[21:48] <Beam> true!
[21:48] <Beam> that helps so much
[21:48] <Beam> so I make the file, things go away, and then?
[21:51] <daveake> you check the startup radio messages to see that the SD space has increased
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[22:05] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: your keyboard looks like it's from the 1970s
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> it's a cherry I believe
[22:06] <fsphil> ah that explains it
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> quite nice, it has a quad USB hub
[22:07] <eroomde> that's a keeper
[22:07] <eroomde> got the cherry microswitches?
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[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know tbh
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> that's at Uni and I took it from the computer closet
[22:07] <fsphil> you, and everyone around you, would know
[22:07] <eroomde> unless it's a red
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:07] <eroomde> or a clear
[22:07] <eroomde> does it click Lunar_Lander?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> like mouse buttons?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> no
[22:08] <eroomde> sorry you've accidently come across some mechanical keyboard converts
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:08] <fsphil> lol yes
[22:08] <eroomde> like nerdy jehovah's witnesses
[22:08] <eroomde> 'good evening sir, we're here to tell you the good news'
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:09] <eroomde> 'you can now get a filco majestouch with cherry clear microswitches. allelujah!'
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:09] <eroomde> well anyway, cherry keyboards are lovely
[22:09] <fsphil> mine doesn't have the usb ports. which would be handy, but I can live without
[22:09] <eroomde> good stuff
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[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:09] <eroomde> mine neither (we have the same i think)
[22:10] <fsphil> think I have the ninja version of yours
[22:10] <Upu> Corsair Vengance keyboards are nice they have 3 types of Cherry keys
[22:10] <fsphil> the lack of numpad is great
[22:10] <eroomde> yeah!
[22:11] <Upu> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=corsair+vengeance+k70&sprefix=corsair+vengeance+k70%2Caps%2C150
[22:11] <eroomde> mousing is so much happier
[22:11] <Upu> highly recommended
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:11] <eroomde> mine is cherry blue
[22:11] <eroomde> and my officemates are tolerant
[22:11] <Upu> red
[22:11] <Upu> wife complains
[22:12] <eroomde> one of them is just writing software atm for which he puts headphones on with trance
[22:12] <eroomde> other one just goes on the lathe
[22:12] <eroomde> it's nice
[22:12] <eroomde> right i gtg
[22:12] <eroomde> ttfn!
[22:12] <Upu> night
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> night ed
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[22:24] <Beam> hey for the cord attaching, we only received one cord. When we attach that to the balloon, and attach the other end to the parachute, what do we use to attach it to the payload? Does the parachute attach to the payload directly (no right?)? does the rope run all the way through the parachute?
[22:26] <daveake> Another cord
[22:27] <daveake> Mostly people use about 5 metres between balloon and parachute, then 10m between parachute and payload
[22:36] <Beam> oh, our bad
[22:36] <Beam> yeah that'll be fine
[22:36] <Beam> we're gonna go get some sleep now before the big day ^-^
[22:37] <Beam> thanks for the help, honestly couldn't have done it without all of you
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[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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