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[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TEST-MILAN-HAB_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TEST-MILAN-HAB_chase
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[08:05] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-34941462
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[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F4HHV after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F4HHV
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[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-12 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-12
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[12:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> When the balloons burst on these things, does it generally stick around above the parachute or is nothing usually left?
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[12:56] <daveake> varies
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> It varies.
[12:57] <daveake> also it varies
[12:57] <gonzo_> snap
[12:57] <Ben-AstroSoc> i never would have guessed it varies
[12:57] <Ben-AstroSoc> :^)
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> I had punctuation!
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[12:58] <SpeedEvil> Bursting cleanly and leaving little is probably more common
[12:58] <daveake> i didn't even have capitalisation
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> But the whole bison coming down in rags also happens
[12:58] <daveake> It varies from "neck plus almost nothing" to 2/3rds of the latex coming down with the payload
[12:58] <Ben-AstroSoc> right
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Balloon
[12:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> 2/3 of the balloonn stuck is pretty unacceptable for a glider
[12:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> hm
[12:59] <daveake> Oh, for a glider, you need to cut it off
[12:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah
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[12:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> just thinking of the best way to be able to cut a balloon and a chute at different times
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> You need to cut down then.
[13:00] <craag> a self-contained altitude-triggered cutdown module between chute and balloon would do it
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> Ben-AstroSoc: you're in the USA, I forget.
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> ?
[13:00] <Ben-AstroSoc> I'm in the UK
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Glider is probably not kayak
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Legal
[13:01] <daveake> or kayak
[13:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> eh, the CAA gives exemptions for photography UAVs etc, I'm not overlyworried
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Unless it's a parachute
[13:02] <craag> he had a discussion on this yesterday
[13:02] <craag> he's aware, going to talk to CAA
[13:02] <Ben-AstroSoc> current plan is chute > 5km, glide after that, that's the profile I'm assuming at the moment
[13:02] <Ben-AstroSoc> but yes
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> If they give a waiver, then fine
[13:02] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'm going to contac them when we have a more solid design
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[13:03] <SpeedEvil> It is not explicitly permitted in law. But they can allow anything they choose almost.
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[13:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> So long as we treated the HAB section of the profile as regulated with parachutes and the glider section of the profile matches their UAS requirements I don't think it'll be shot down so to speak
[13:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> just a few more hoops
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[13:05] <adamgreig> their uas requirements are quite onerous for non-line-of-sight stuff, last i heard
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[13:06] <Ben-AstroSoc> afaik if its light (<10kg), demonstrated to be away from populated areas/buildings/large groups of people, youre ok (might have to carry an aircraft transponder) or something similar
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[13:06] <adamgreig> hmm
[13:07] <adamgreig> think it might be a bit more strict. in any event, good luck, would obviously be a very cool project
[13:07] <adamgreig> have you done any "normal" HAB launches before?
[13:07] <Ben-AstroSoc> nope
[13:07] <daveake> do
[13:07] <Ben-AstroSoc> but do have experience in auto-flight systems
[13:07] <adamgreig> might be worth getting a handful under your belt before making any plans for this
[13:07] <Ben-AstroSoc> so not going into this totally blind
[13:07] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah
[13:07] <adamgreig> i know that sounds boring and dull etc
[13:08] <adamgreig> but any proposal you write up before having done hab launches is probably going to be missing a few important details
[13:08] <craag> what uni are you Ben-AstroSoc ?
[13:08] <adamgreig> practical experience in long range, out of visual contact, no pilot takeover, auto-flight systems?
[13:09] <Ben-AstroSoc> Aston uni
[13:09] <daveake> first launch is usually abit overwhelming anyway, without the complexity of adding a glider and 2 cutdowns
[13:09] <Ben-AstroSoc> practical experience in vaguely non-LoS no pilot takeover auto-flight systems
[13:09] <adamgreig> legally it is a world apart from autopilots on a fixed wing you normally fly by hand in the under-400-ft, visual contact rules
[13:09] <daveake> yeah you won't be launching from Uni :/
[13:09] <Ben-AstroSoc> i figured at already xD
[13:09] <Ben-AstroSoc> that*
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[13:10] <daveake> For that James May auto-pilot glider flight (dropped from a heli), they had to have LOS (from the heli, and later the ground) throughout the flight
[13:10] <eroomde> i think we're just rehashing yesterday's conversation all over again
[13:10] <eroomde> let's not
[13:10] <Ben-AstroSoc> ^
[13:10] <adamgreig> mm
[13:10] <adamgreig> good luck anyway
[13:10] <Ben-AstroSoc> ta
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[13:12] <eroomde> though the advice to do a straight hab launch first just to check everything is worth rehashing lots
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[13:12] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah, may well do in the spring
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[13:15] <Ben-AstroSoc> Scale of flights we can do before end of the summer does depend on funding we can get our hands on, so the glider might not happen at all... IET is interested though so
[13:16] <eroomde> they're fairly cheap to do, thankfully
[13:16] <eroomde> provided you don't have some big song and dance overhead
[13:16] <daveake> if you keep the weight down they can be very cheap - latex/balloon/chute prices all scale
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[13:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> I mean, if we didn't lose anything we'd be absolutely fine
[13:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> but have to factor in losing everything too as we're on a pretty tiny budget
[13:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> although a lot of the prices are in stuff that stays on the ground i suppose
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[13:21] <Ben-AstroSoc> CAA site is saying for beyond-LoS you need either a sense-and-avoid system (which they then state don't exist in a relibale enough form) or you have to fly in segregated airspace
[13:21] <Ben-AstroSoc> So I guess finding a launch site will be interesting
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[13:24] <adamgreig> by segregated airspace i think they mean "airspace set aside especially for you to fly your uas in, which exists only during your scheduled flight"?
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[13:24] <adamgreig> there are a few around the place - one in wales?
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[13:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> CAA site specifically said some were left open for the development of UAS's
[13:25] <adamgreig> yea
[13:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> Gave no extra details, looking that up now
[13:25] <adamgreig> find the nearest ones and find out what requirements you need to meet to use them i suppose
[13:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> yep
[13:26] <adamgreig> i think most of them are designed for much heavier UASs by big companies though
[13:26] <adamgreig> not that that would necessarily stop you using them
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[13:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> would still be suitable
[13:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> if theyre designed for large UASs you could assume they're not small
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[14:08] <Ben-AstroSoc> structuring our BoM to fly a regular HAB first, probably the most sensible way of doing it
[14:13] <eroomde> you'll want to shake down launch and tracking and so on before trying to add gliding into the mix, so yes i agree
[14:13] <eroomde> i would also encourage getting a receiver asap so you can listen/track other people's balloons
[14:14] <eroomde> best training available
[14:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah, either components to build our own or a PitS will be one of the first things we pick up once we have a source of £
[14:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> so will be able to mess with the tracking asap hopefully
[14:14] <craag> build your own
[14:15] <craag> ublox + atmega + ntx2 is a common, easy combination.
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[14:16] <Ben-AstroSoc> will look into it
[14:16] <craag> !wiki ntx2
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03linkingarduinotontx2 (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03ntx2 (guides:radio_modules) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules:ntx2
[14:16] <craag> etc
[14:16] <eroomde> if you have some EE chops you'll be fine
[14:16] <Ben-AstroSoc> there's a chance using an AVR for data logging + serial stream to ground could score credits for one of my modules next semester
[14:16] <eroomde> PITS is a very modern thing
[14:16] <eroomde> 99% of people hisotrically have built their own tronics
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[14:17] <eroomde> PITS is good for things like busy school teachers who want to do a hab with their class but can't learn electronics enough to make one just for one curriculum experiment
[14:18] <eroomde> and it's a splendid thing for that, that seems to be making a very worthy inroad into science education at the schools that are beginning to take it up
[14:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'm assuming you can do the same with a Pi with little effort
[14:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> right
[14:18] <eroomde> but if you're a uni EE student, it's definitely the norm to DIY
[14:18] <eroomde> yes, you could use a pi instead of an avr
[14:18] <eroomde> but note than a pi is like 1-2W
[14:19] <eroomde> whereas an AVR doing the same thing (gps in, radio out, maybe write to sd card) might be 5mW
[14:19] <eroomde> well slight exaggeration, maybe 10-20mW
[14:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> not done AVR writing to SD, but will look into it if it's def simpler
[14:19] <eroomde> sd cards have an SPI interface
[14:19] <eroomde> in addition to the sdio one
[14:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> our AVR stuff this semester basically covered ADCs and serial TX/Rx so don't have huge experience in it
[14:19] <eroomde> so they just look like addressable memory hanging off spi
[14:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> will look into it
[14:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> could definitely be a viable project plan, even more so if we can get module credits for it using AVR
[14:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> + that'd mean definite uni support
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[15:40] <Laurenceb_> so I tried to simulate super stripi
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> whatever its called
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> replicated the failure exactly
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> without trying... not sure if this is at all realistic
[15:42] <Laurenceb_> the fins loose effectiveness due to shock wave interaction more quickly that it gains stability from spinning up
[15:42] <Laurenceb_> so it precesses out of control towards first stage burn out
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> was that the canted fin one?
[15:52] <Laurenceb_> yes
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2BA3/production/_86917111_rocketclean.jpg - from the 'this is too easy' school of working out what debris is.
[15:52] <Laurenceb_> I think they stuck too much stuff on the front
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[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[17:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIZERO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIZERO
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[18:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> RAL Space want to interview
[18:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> stress levels maximum :/
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[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> COOOL
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> good luck :)
[18:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> thanks, absolutely bricking it LOL
[18:27] <fsphil> oh you'll be fine :)
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[18:52] <Evidlo> What makes a radio suitable for use with aprs?
[18:53] <Evidlo> It has to use AX25 right?
[18:53] <fsphil> needs to cover the typical aprs frequencies (144.* MHz) and be able to demodulate FM
[18:54] <fsphil> I'm assuming receiver*
[18:54] <fsphil> AX.25 is the packet format APRS uses
[18:55] <fsphil> it describes the bitstream
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[19:52] <Evidlo> fsphil, thanks
[19:52] <Evidlo> Actually transmitter
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[19:55] <fsphil> you'll need something to produce the APRS packet audio (creates an AX.25 packet and modulates it with AFSK-1200), then that gets fed into an FM transmitter on the APRS frequency
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[19:56] <fsphil> there are small low power radios that can be used called the HX1 (http://www.radiometrix.com/content/hx1)
[19:56] <fsphil> these are very basic FM transmitters for a single frequency
[19:57] <fsphil> I've heard of people using small handheld FM transmitters but that doesn't seem to me like it would be all that reliable
[19:57] <fsphil> bbl
[20:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABDUINO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABDUINO
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[20:32] <Evidlo> fsphil: That radio has a data in/out. Doesn't that imply the modem is built in?
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[20:36] <mfa298> Evidlo: the HX1 doesnt have a AX.25 / APRS modulator so you need to do that bit yourself.
[20:36] <mfa298> datasheet and online examples will probably give you some idea of what you need to do.
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[20:38] <daveake> APRS is a PITA, but yes all you need (to Tx) is the HX1, and a micro that will do PWM
[20:38] <daveake> Rx is more complex
[20:44] <Evidlo> daveake: mfa298: You have conflicting information
[20:44] <Evidlo> mfa298: Do you mean a modulator in the traditionally sense? I know I'll have to construct AX25 packets myself
[20:46] <daveake> With the HX1 and a micro, you do it all yourself ...
[20:46] <Evidlo> Right, but I don't need to build an oscillator to implement AFSK?
[20:46] <daveake> ... construct the packet, turn the bits into tones, and whistle those at the HX1
[20:47] <daveake> Yes, in code
[20:47] <Evidlo> Why is it labeled as data in?
[20:47] <Evidlo> It's really analog in?
[20:47] <daveake> It's an FM transmitter
[20:47] <daveake> Needs an analog voltage not digital data
[20:49] <Evidlo> daveake: How about this guy http://www.radiometrix.com/content/uhx1
[20:51] <Evidlo> I guess it does a bit more. A transceiver. I think it does the modulation as well
[20:54] <daveake> FSK not AFSK
[20:54] <daveake> You wanted APRS
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[21:42] <Evidlo> daveake: So FSK is where you directly generate frequency A/B and AFSK is where you have some carrier freq that you shift?
[21:44] <Evidlo> Isn't that sort of the same thing? Can the receiver even tell the difference?
[21:45] <daveake> no
[21:45] <daveake> The HX1 is an FM transmitter
[21:45] <daveake> You modulate it (i.e. change the frequency) by changing the voltage on that input pin
[21:46] <daveake> So if you take your data as 1's and 0's, send those to a digital output pin as 2 different voltages, that's FSK. The output will be 2 distinct radio frequencies
[21:47] <daveake> AFSK you first convert the 1's and 0's to different audio tones, then send those to the HX1
[21:49] <Evidlo> Isn't that double modulating the signal? Why would you do that?
[21:49] <daveake> With APRS, a 0 in the data changes flips the tone from 1200 to 2200Hz or vice versa, whereas a 1 leaves it the same
[21:49] <daveake> So you can decode with an FM receiver
[21:50] <daveake> Point is, if you want to do APRS, which you said you do, this is what you have to do
[21:50] <Evidlo> Can't you still decode FSK with an FM receiver? You'll just get DC values instead of audio
[21:50] <daveake> DC won't get past the audio filtering
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[21:53] <Evidlo> So if you were to look at the output of the radio on a spectrum analyzer (AFSK), 1's and 0's change the speed that the frequency oscillates?
[21:53] <Evidlo> output, as in what gets transmitted
[21:53] <daveake> yes
[21:54] <daveake> Well, they change the changeover between 1200 and 2200Hz sent to the FM transmitter
[21:54] <daveake> and ofc you'll see those same 2 tones at the output of the FM receiver
[21:54] <Evidlo> one of two frequencies
[21:55] <daveake> The radio signal won;t be 2 frequencies
[21:55] <Evidlo> It will be sweeping back and forth
[21:55] <Evidlo> And that width depends on how the radio is tuned?
[21:56] <Evidlo> Is there a standard? I know its somewhere around 144Mhz for the center freq
[21:56] <daveake> No the width depends on the pk-pk voltage sent to the HX1
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[21:58] <Evidlo> this is so weird
[21:58] <daveake> Deviation is normally about 2.5kHz for APRS
[22:00] <daveake> AX25 packets are much weirder
[22:00] <Evidlo> Can this amplitude usually be scaled on the radio, or do I have to use the DAC on the micro?
[22:02] <daveake> You need to send an analog signal from micro to HX1. PWM works well. Full scale on a 3.3V micro gives you +/-2.5kHz or so on the HX1
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[23:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PIZERO after 036 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIZERO
[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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