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[01:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Rubber Ducky_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Rubber%20Ducky_chase
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[01:58] <darsie> <elf> rocket science! https://i.imgur.com/f5u2RL5.gifv
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[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[13:26] <Laurenceb> this is interesting
[13:27] <Laurenceb> it seems I set off the ejection charge in an Estes motor with high jerk
[13:27] <Laurenceb> around 10^9 m/s^3
[13:31] <adamgreig> lol 10^9 jerk
[13:31] <adamgreig> your poor motors
[13:32] <Laurenceb> it does say to avoid severe mechanical shock in the MSDS
[13:32] <Laurenceb> but I'm still surprised it went off
[13:33] <Laurenceb> easy fix to remove the BP charge
[13:34] <Laurenceb> but you could produce similar jerk by hitting it with a cricket bat or something
[13:34] <Laurenceb> slightly worrying and something to watch out for
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[13:57] <SpeedEvil> ...
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> lol
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Also, you're centrifugining it really hard against one side of the case, then releasing
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> which may even be a more severe event
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[14:11] <Laurenceb> http://www.ocsresponds.com/ref/hazlist/TechSpecs.pdf
[14:11] <Laurenceb> impact test: 32cm, no wonder it went off
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[15:49] <Matt_PrjHet> I need you opinion guys, if my NOTAM comes in, what do you think of this http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=9cad49320a5e05653bf592e2cb5c563a666481fa
[15:50] <craag> I'm pretty sure your notam will say it can't drift east
[15:52] <Matt_PrjHet> D'oh. Phil said there were some restrictions last time. North-East though...!?
[15:53] <Matt_PrjHet> Wait... i just google. That's you :*)
[15:53] <craag> ;)
[15:53] <craag> That counts as east in my opinion
[15:53] <craag> as you'll still hit the airspace to the east
[15:54] <Matt_PrjHet> Which airspacee map do you use? I've only got http://ml.philcrump.co.uk/1l
[15:55] <Matt_PrjHet> That you sent me it seems. Eurgh... Look like a stalker right now.
[15:55] <craag> Yeah that's just a basic map
[15:56] <craag> mattbrejza got some info about the exact airspace at some point
[15:56] <craag> but the flight permission will say 'not east' I bet you
[15:57] <craag> and that's definitely east :/
[15:58] <craag> if it doesn't - looks flight path looks a bit risky, not much room for error, but probably as good as you'll get this time of year
[16:00] <Matt_PrjHet> Yeah. Threading a needle...
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[16:02] <Matt_PrjHet> I think I should've put a NOTAM in for the Welsh Coast. Stupid jet stream.
[16:03] <craag> Yeah south wales seems to be the place to be
[16:03] <craag> (I think someone has already twigged that ;) )
[16:04] <Matt_PrjHet> Dave?
[16:04] <craag> yep!
[16:05] <Matt_PrjHet> Do I remember talk of him having a CUSF style 3-day NOTAM?
[16:06] <craag> err similar arrangement I think
[16:06] <craag> but iirc there's a few people who've been asking him recently
[16:06] <craag> so there may be a waiting list
[16:10] <Matt_PrjHet> No wonder he needs a holiday... I think we spoke briefly on here about it a month or so back and he's out the country at the mo. I'll drop him a tweet when he gets back.
[16:11] <Matt_PrjHet> I really need to launch before the new Star Wars film comes out!
[16:12] <craag> ah..
[16:12] <craag> so you need to launch.. do you need to recover to?
[16:12] <craag> *too
[16:13] <Matt_PrjHet> Yep.
[16:13] <Matt_PrjHet> So... I mean if not, Belgium will be cool with a suspect package full of wires falling from the sky wont it?
[16:14] <craag> So you could do an cross-channel flight
[16:14] <craag> has been done before
[16:14] <craag> send a team over early to be waiting on the other side
[16:14] <Matt_PrjHet> Really? Add to the cost I suppose but...
[16:15] <Matt_PrjHet> The French/Belgian ATC don't get upset?
[16:15] <craag> as far as I know it's only the early ascent that they care about
[16:16] <craag> cusf I know have at least attempted this before, so might have better information
[16:16] <Matt_PrjHet> Sacre bleu
[16:16] <mattbrejza> that was on behalf of someone else though
[16:17] <mattbrejza> and it landed in the dea
[16:17] <mattbrejza> sea
[16:17] <craag> yeah
[16:18] <Matt_PrjHet> i guess the predictions become less accurate the higher the wind speed? More margin for error?
[16:18] <craag> dave + anthony did that glider that landed in the netherlands
[16:18] <craag> yes
[16:19] <craag> some approximation to percentage error probably
[16:19] <craag> but you're too late now to get a notam in time for a new site anyway?
[16:20] Action: craag should really know when the film is coming out...
[16:20] <Matt_PrjHet> 14th in LA, 16h in the UK I think.
[16:20] <Matt_PrjHet> *th
[16:20] <craag> hmm k
[16:20] <craag> maybe then
[16:20] <craag> (I haven't a clue)
[16:23] <craag> my point on recovery was that if some form of altitude images before that date is all that counts, you could do a sacrificial payload with ssdv like susf did for eclipse.
[16:23] <craag> but obviously the picture quality would be way off a recovered canon/gopro
[16:24] <adamgreig> if you only needed one photo and you used the new lora arq thing though..
[16:24] <craag> mm true
[16:25] <Matt_PrjHet> Yeah, we're looking for highest quality and a recovery really. We've spent about three weeks making the models look awesome. Shame to lose them to the sea!
[16:25] <craag> ah..
[16:26] <craag> fair enough :)
[16:26] <mattbrejza> you could always put up a 100g with lots of He
[16:26] <adamgreig> or just photoshop it
[16:26] <craag> /kickban adamgreig
[16:27] <Matt_PrjHet> Ha ha. Cheat. NO! We'll be as bad as the Phantom Menace.
[16:27] <mattbrejza> ban him from using habhub too
[16:27] <adamgreig> i wish someone would
[16:27] <adamgreig> :P
[16:27] <adamgreig> maybe you should try making a post to the mailing list about it...
[16:27] <mattbrejza> oohh good idea
[16:28] <adamgreig> lol
[16:32] <Matt_PrjHet> Thanks for insight as always /craag, guys
[16:33] <Matt_PrjHet> @craag
[16:34] <Matt_PrjHet> How do you do @name on IRC?
[16:34] <craag> no prefix needed
[16:34] <craag> just
[16:34] <craag> craag
[16:34] <craag> will do it
[16:34] <craag> no problem btw ;)
[16:34] <Matt_PrjHet> Huh... fair enough!
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[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:43] <mikestir> evening. always seems very quiet in here these days
[20:43] <craag> wind..
[20:44] <mikestir> lower intestinal discomfort putting people off?
[20:44] <craag> hah
[20:44] <craag> how are you mikestir ?
[20:44] <mikestir> ok ta. I moved house and don't have any antennas up, which is the reason for my lack of tracking presence for most of the year
[20:45] <mikestir> need to get stuff back up and running, although I am now about 10m ASL so I don't suppose I'll be much use
[20:45] <craag> that's fair enough ;)
[20:45] <craag> ah, where are you now?
[20:45] <mikestir> just down the road
[20:46] <mikestir> needed more room to accomodate the kids' toys
[20:47] <mikestir> I came across a box of bits the other day to make another 3 or 4 of those pico trackers I did, and I still have a couple of foils somewhere
[20:47] <mikestir> is everyone using LoRA now or is rtty still king?
[20:47] <craag> rtty is still king
[20:48] <mikestir> anyone done anything with the EZR32 yet?
[20:48] <craag> lora is used for a lot of ssdv off the PITS boards though
[20:48] <craag> (and by susf for chasing)
[20:49] <craag> hmm not that I've seen
[20:49] <mikestir> I thought I might have a play with it. looks cool
[20:50] <mikestir> should be a single chip rtty/mfsk/aprs solution
[20:50] <craag> yeah looks nice
[20:50] <craag> and isn't msp430 :P
[20:54] <adamgreig> they are nice
[20:54] <adamgreig> a lot bigger than the other silabs integrated chips
[20:54] <adamgreig> but the cortex m4 is gonna be a lot less stress lol
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> USB galore! http://gerblook.org/pcb/vFiCYqFrDY4g3vXvEgGj9g#back
[21:04] <richardeoin> Here's a EZR design mikestir https://upverter.com/adamcatley/615a1bd7e1a0b2f6/UBSEDS-HAB-Pressure-Monitor/
[21:04] <richardeoin> not by me but I've been doing the s/w
[21:05] <richardeoin> They're quite nice, especially the examples and support from si labs
[21:05] <richardeoin> massive chip though, 9 x 9 mm
[21:05] <richardeoin> takes alll the board area
[21:07] <mikestir> it's replacing two chips though. my previous pico tracker had a si4460 and a freescale kl05
[21:07] <mikestir> for a two layer design I'm sure the ezr is going to end up smaller
[21:07] <adamgreig> hmmm
[21:07] <adamgreig> i think the 4460 + a small stm32 would be smaller than the ezr
[21:07] <adamgreig> by some margin
[21:08] <richardeoin> mmm, it definitely takes up more space than two chips combined
[21:08] <mikestir> including space for interconnections?
[21:08] <richardeoin> depends how lined up your SPI pins are I suppose
[21:08] <adamgreig> how's it going richardeoin?
[21:09] <mikestir> I'm only going on gut feeling and I haven't done any PCB layout all year :)
[21:09] <mikestir> last design I did had 8 layers and someone else did the layout
[21:10] <richardeoin> hey adamgreig
[21:12] <richardeoin> still working on pico superpressure things, might get a launch in before christmas or it might be the new year now
[21:12] <adamgreig> nice
[21:13] <adamgreig> keen freshers?
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[21:14] <richardeoin> yep, they're mostly working on rocketry things
[21:14] <adamgreig> the ukseds competition thing?
[21:14] <richardeoin> A couple of G class launches planned for feb / march I think
[21:14] <adamgreig> cool
[21:15] <adamgreig> where do you launch from?
[21:16] <richardeoin> we;ve been launching with FOG rocketry http://www.fogrocketry.org.uk
[21:17] <richardeoin> About 25 mins drive from Bristol, gets you outside the airspace problems
[21:17] <adamgreig> cool
[21:17] <adamgreig> not too bad
[21:18] <richardeoin> they're mostly airbus / rolls types who work in filton, so it's quite nice for them too
[21:19] <adamgreig> got any photos? :D
[21:20] <Laurenceb> talking of rocketry, here is my boom test
[21:20] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/cOyG8dH.png
[21:20] <Laurenceb> at 0.61s the ejection charge goes off by itself
[21:20] <adamgreig> label yo axis
[21:20] <Laurenceb> heh this is audio
[21:21] <Laurenceb> from the video it seems to be the jerk during spin motor separation
[21:26] <richardeoin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kkcouRiGP4 adamgreig
[21:26] <richardeoin> enthusiastic cameraman :-)
[21:27] <adamgreig> Cool :D
[21:27] <adamgreig> Haha yea
[21:27] <adamgreig> I keep doing that when recording and always hate it after "nooo I've ruined the video"
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[23:13] <Laurenceb> any freecad users here?
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