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[00:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1amo_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1amo_chase
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[07:39] <arjunnaha> Does the predictor factor in storms? :)
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[08:51] <mfa298> arjunnaha: it's based on the global wind data, so will have some idea, but you might find accuracy isn't good
[08:51] <mfa298> at least that's my thoguhts on it.
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[08:51] <mfa298> An hourly might help as you can get a feel for how the prediction is changing over time.
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[10:05] <arjunnaha> mfa298: thanks
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[10:30] <eroomde> greetings habby
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[11:19] <Sirius-BE> morning :-)
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[12:16] <fsphil> morn
[12:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
[13:02] <darsie> morgen
[13:12] <mfa298> afternoon
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[13:47] <michal_f> hi. I had a KML file exported for my flight, but it's not working anymore, probably because flight is too old.
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[13:48] <michal_f> Is there anything I can do ?
[13:48] <michal_f> (I mean KML file exported by habitat)
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nothing to age in a KML file, it should work fine in GE at any time
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Perhaps the file is damaged, try requesting it again?
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[14:15] <Sirius-BE> when I downloaded the KML for our last flight it mixed the sequences. I had to edit it manually
[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC1EAI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1EAI-11
[14:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03nm5ss-10_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=nm5ss-10_chase
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[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1AMO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1AMO
[15:11] <michal_f> it wouldn't even show my balloon on tracker, even if I select "Last: All" option
[15:14] <adamgreig> try http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ michal_f
[15:15] <michal_f> it's there
[15:15] <adamgreig> that can export kml
[15:15] <michal_f> thanks !
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[15:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8VRN - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8VRN
[15:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8vrn_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8vrn_chase
[15:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Penis_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Penis_chase
[15:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FHSU_HAB_LEAD_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FHSU_HAB_LEAD_chase
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[15:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Tacot_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Tacot_chase
[15:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1AM0_LEAD_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1AM0_LEAD_chase
[15:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Senior_Verde_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Senior_Verde_chase
[15:56] <Laurenceb> can anyone describe the rules for airborne 868mhz?
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[16:00] <Laurenceb> I've heard people quote 500mW, but I dont see it here
[16:01] <Laurenceb> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/tlc/annexes/Final_report.pdf
[16:01] <Laurenceb> page 14
[16:02] <mattbrejza> its in ir2030
[16:02] <Laurenceb> ok thanks
[16:02] <chris_99> i thought it's 500mW, but at only 10% duty or something
[16:03] <craag> IR2030/1/19
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[16:04] <Laurenceb> ah only part of the band
[16:05] <Laurenceb> lucky - my rockoon tracker is 25mW EIRP at 867.84
[16:05] <Laurenceb> looks like thats just ok
[16:23] <mfa298> bits of the band might also be limited to a single channel - although that won't be an issue if you're doing something simple (i.e. not LoRa)
[16:29] <Laurenceb> just CW in a 20kHz bandwidth
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[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[18:44] <arjunnaha> How does one create an hourly predictor?
[18:44] <eroomde> ask on habhub
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[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:56] <dpowellabq> Help
[18:57] <dpowellabq> exit
[18:57] <eroomde> hello to you too
[18:57] <eroomde> if you find IRC hard, just wait until you try vim
[18:57] <dpowellabq> new here wher is the command list??
[18:57] <adamgreig> i wish i knew how to quit vim :(
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[18:58] <eroomde> dpowellabq: to make a word appear on the line at the bottom, type the word. to make it then appear on the line above, hit enter
[18:59] <eroomde> there you go
[18:59] <dpowellabq> we are with a group in NM usa named NMSS wanted to check out the site
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[19:00] <dpowellabq> quit
[19:01] <dpowellabq> how do you exit site??
[19:01] <adamgreig> close the tab
[19:01] <dpowellabq> ty
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[19:02] <eroomde> meta
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[19:06] <fsphil> git checkout site
[19:15] <dbrooke> this may help with git http://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net/
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[19:22] <fsphil> hah
[19:23] <fsphil> that's great
[19:25] <dbrooke> surprisingly plausible
[19:27] <eroomde> tells you a lot about git
[19:28] <chris_99> heh
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> earlier I finally got that linksprite cam to work that I was gifted three years ago
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> that was a nice feeling
[19:40] <fsphil> I remember those. think I still have one somewhere
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> this was the first time today it worked on the arduino, pushing a pic to the PC
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> the only stuff it did back then was running on the demo GUI with an FTDI connecting it to the computer
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[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDOFA0YTlXQW1UWXM/view first light
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[20:19] <Laurenceb> much CAD and FEA headaches later...
[20:20] <Laurenceb> finally have a 868mhz tracker nosecone that seems to fit
[20:20] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/5HPt0Qo.png
[20:20] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/uqBYS4X.png
[20:21] <chris_99> neat :) whatcha going to fabricate it with
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> Butter-knife I guess.
[20:21] <chris_99> heh
[20:22] <Laurenceb> chris_99: EOS Formiga SLS using nylon
[20:22] <Laurenceb> http://www.eos.info/systems_solutions/plastic/systems_equipment/formiga_p_110
[20:22] <chris_99> fancy
[20:23] <chris_99> i assume theres an online place that has them?
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> Is this digits2widgets or someone ese?
[20:23] <Laurenceb> yeah www.digits2widgets.com/
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> is it an upgrade, or what you were using before
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> (the machine)
[20:26] <Laurenceb> same as before
[20:26] <Laurenceb> need to find suitable glue to stick it on with
[20:26] <Laurenceb> the Klima motors get hot, very hot
[20:26] <Laurenceb> about 180C or so
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> Silicone.
[20:30] <Laurenceb> yeah maybe
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[21:05] <Laurenceb> wow thats cheap http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/#!/resin-gel-silicone-adhesive/polyester-and-vinylester/high-quality-gp-polyester-resin.html
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[21:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/5kg-Pack-General-Purpose-Resin-RGP10_005.html - yeah - I've used this
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[21:30] <habby> http://www.amazon.co.uk/High-16dBi-2-4GHz-
[21:30] <habby> Antenna-RPSMA/
[21:30] <habby> dp/B008IXKDL2/ref=sr_1_12?s=computers&ie=
[21:30] <habby> UTF8&qid=1448236075&sr=1-
[21:30] <habby> I assume this yagi is a waste of time:
[21:30] <habby> Oops
[21:30] <habby> http://www.amazon.co.uk/High-16dBi-2-4GHz-Antenna-RPSMA/dp/B008IXKDL2/ref=sr_1_12?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1448236075&sr=1-
[21:31] <craag> I've heard that particular type is rather awful
[21:32] <craag> what did you want to use it for?
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> craag: what do you mean by 'awful'
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> it's for making fibreglass
[21:32] <habby> Finding a payload when on the ground. 70cm 434Mhz
[21:32] <habby> (or is it 433?)
[21:32] <craag> not going to work for 434Mhz
[21:32] <craag> It's designed for 2.4GHz!
[21:33] <habby> As a wi-fi antenna. There you go.
[21:33] <habby> Any ideas of a good value one?
[21:34] <craag> So are you after a 434MHz or a WiFi one?
[21:34] <craag> SpeedEvil: That it just didn't really have any range
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> err
[21:34] <craag> The boom is metal, which isn't going to help
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> oh - nvm
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> I thought you ment the resin
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> sorry - I'm not awake
[21:35] <craag> :)
[21:35] <habby> craag: 434
[21:38] <craag> To buy one you're best off looking at ham radio dealers I think
[21:38] <habby> Also... I read this on https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna: "Congratulations you've made a light weight 1/4 wave antenna for 433Mhz", but the Pi In The Sky Transmitter broadcasts at 434Mhz (I think?), so does that mean that the lengths specified in Step 8 are wrong ("From the point where the shield ends measure the radiating element and trim @ 164mm. This value is important")?
[21:38] <craag> You can also build one from any of many guides
[21:38] <craag> meh, you're talking <0.25% difference
[21:39] <craag> I doubt you cut it that accurately!
[21:39] <craag> (ie. it doesn't matter)
[21:39] <habby> Thanks. I assume I can google for a decent guide to make a homebrew Yagi?
[21:39] <craag> yep
[21:40] <craag> 'homebrew 70cm 434MHz yagi' or similar
[21:40] <craag> don't worry about a balun
[21:40] <habby> Why is 2m often listed alongside 70cm?
[21:41] <craag> they're two of the most used VHF amateur radio bands
[21:41] <craag> 2m == ~145MHz
[21:41] <craag> VHF/UHF
[21:41] <craag> (70cm/434MHz is UHF)
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag :)
[21:43] <habby> Do I have to specify the Mhz? In other words, if I build a 70cm one, will it cope with 433/435 or 430-440? In other words (!) how precise do I have to be?
[21:43] <habby> (Thanks very much for all this advice btw - this place rocks!)
[21:43] <craag> any range of 430 - 440 MHz would be fine
[21:44] <craag> as you're only using it for receive, everything is a lot more relaxed than most guides will suggest
[21:44] <craag> for high power amateur radio transmission, the right MHz or so matters to avoid damage to the transmitter
[21:45] <habby> Awesome, thanks craag. :)
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[21:46] <craag> evening Lunar_Lander
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[22:33] <fsphil> evening
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi
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