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[10:33] <balloon> hello
[10:34] <balloon> I'm getting ready for a launch I want to do in a week or so, and me and my friend have just put our tracker (we use hdsdr and fldigi HAB mode, and the tracker is a pi in the sky) in our car, but when he drove away te
[10:35] <balloon> woops accidental enter
[10:35] <balloon> when he drove away the signal died
[10:35] <balloon> now he is here with me again and the signal is of course back
[10:35] <balloon> has anyone had the same problem (i guess this is quite normal)
[10:35] <balloon> ?
[10:36] <craag> how far away did the signal die?
[10:38] <balloon> about 5 km
[10:38] <balloon> no less than that
[10:38] <craag> ok, so 5km along the ground is actually rather good
[10:38] <balloon> allright
[10:38] <balloon> I think it was less than that but still
[10:38] <balloon> that's good to hear
[10:38] <craag> at that point you have buildings/trees etc in the way most of the time
[10:39] <balloon> right yeah that could be it
[10:41] <balloon> Also, there are these buttons in fldigi that are set in default to -20 and 70, and when I play around with that the signal (in fldigi) gets stronger. is this something I should use?
[10:41] <craag> I *think* those might be just adjusting the waterfall display
[10:41] <craag> haven't got a copy here to look
[10:41] <balloon> well that's ok
[10:41] <craag> so making your display look stronger, but won't affect decoding
[10:42] <balloon> i see
[10:42] <balloon> ok so now the friend is walking around the house making bigger and bigger circles around and the signal at the farthest point was again a bit weak.
[10:43] <balloon> is this a problem at all for when we want to send it into the air?
[10:43] <craag> what distance? and what obstacles between you?
[10:43] <balloon> a lot of houses and I estimate like a maximum of 2 km radius
[10:43] <craag> that sounds fine
[10:43] <balloon> awesome
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[10:44] <balloon> but it is a bit scary to (next week) shoot it up into the air with this car-experiment in mind
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[10:44] <craag> there's no obstacles once it's in the air
[10:44] <balloon> or is that completely ok?
[10:44] <balloon> allright
[10:44] <balloon> that makes sense
[10:45] <craag> I've only been able to get ~1km on ground testing around here (city)
[10:45] <balloon> o wow
[10:45] <craag> admittedly I don't have the best receive antenna
[10:45] <balloon> allright
[10:45] <craag> colinear jammed in the upstairs window at the time
[10:46] <craag> but that proved to be fine for flight
[10:46] <balloon> allright
[10:46] <balloon> XD
[10:46] <balloon> this is good news then!
[10:46] <craag> yep sounds great
[10:46] <balloon> thanks a lot!
[10:46] <craag> where are you launching from?
[10:47] <balloon> the netherlands
[10:47] <balloon> I live here
[10:47] <balloon> still we have to get a proper location
[10:47] <craag> :)
[10:47] <balloon> probably more in the mid-east
[10:47] <craag> plenty of receivers around there
[10:47] <balloon> yeah?
[10:47] <balloon> awesome
[10:47] <craag> remember to send an announcement email to the mailing list a day or two before
[10:47] <balloon> yeah I'll do that!
[10:48] <balloon> so what is this mailing list (i don't really know)
[10:48] <craag> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[10:48] <balloon> nice!
[10:48] <balloon> thanks
[10:48] <balloon> does that include the people in the netherlands?
[10:48] <balloon> i guess so rigth
[10:49] <craag> Yep, there's even an announcement for another NL launch from last month on there
[10:49] <balloon> now we're trying to set up habhub
[10:49] <balloon> awesome
[10:49] <balloon> we're not at this moment connected with habhub
[10:49] <craag> ok that's your next priority then
[10:50] <balloon> yeah defenitely
[10:50] <balloon> i suspect there's a guide somewhere right?
[10:50] <craag> I think dave wrote a guide specifically for pi in the sky somewhere
[10:51] <balloon> okaay
[10:51] <balloon> we should be able to find it on google
[10:52] <craag> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
[10:52] <balloon> thaaaanks
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[10:54] <balloon> so we need to have internet on the road
[10:54] <balloon> (just read it)
[10:56] <craag> it's not absolutely essential - but it's far easier (and more reliable to recover) with it
[10:57] <balloon> ok
[10:58] <balloon> so it is advisable to just buy a subscription for this type of internet for a month or so
[10:58] <craag> yes that's what I do
[10:59] <craag> 3G dongle and then stick on a month/1GB for a launch
[10:59] <craag> mifi is the cool way to do it, then everyone in the chase car can just be on the wifi
[11:03] <balloon> thanks!
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[11:32] <gonzo_> a bit quiet in the skies over the UK at the mo.
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[11:32] <gonzo_> ideal launch day todoy, here anyway
[11:34] <craag> Would be if you fancied a trip to Caen to recover ;)
[11:35] <gonzo_> I rarely plan on recovery. Not for a pic
[11:35] <gonzo_> pico flight
[11:36] <gonzo_> it does not have to go too far for the value to exceed the cost of fuel
[11:37] <gonzo_> though I'd not launch from here if it were going south. No one would hear it
[11:38] <gonzo_> btw craag, did you get to the flight refuelling rally in august?
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[11:39] <craag> I didn't - it was the same weekend as our UKHASnet hacking weekend in soton unfortunately
[11:40] <craag> maybe next year!
[11:41] <gonzo_> ah, bad timing
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[11:41] <gonzo_> I did a pico launch demo there. So assumed you would have siad hi if yiou were there
[11:42] <tweetBot1> @petejbell: My learnings (well, some of them) while preparing to send a @Raspberry_Pi to Space https://t.co/enpv6aHHN6 #ukhas
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[14:31] <Laurenceb> anyone here tried this thing? http://wimo.de/minivna-network-analyser_i.html
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[16:04] <Stephan> Good morning
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[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:17] <Stephan> hello lander
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[17:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f6gau_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f6gau_chase
[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
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[18:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F4HHV after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F4HHV
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[19:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TEST-MILAN-HAB_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TEST-MILAN-HAB_chase
[19:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6QVY-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6QVY-1
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[21:40] <RES0V__> Evening! How can I get hourly predictions for a launch site, please?
[21:43] <Upu> sure
[21:44] <Upu> where are you looking to launch from ?
[21:45] <Upu> p.s on your blog you've spelt Akerman wrong :)
[21:45] <Upu> and its exactly that: http://www.radioworld.co.uk/watson-w-50-2m-70cm-base-station-vertical_antenna
[21:47] <RES0V__> Well, Boston Spa are on the predict drop down and close to us. Do maybe there. Or, maybe from our school. We need to get a CAA approval. One of my students is a qualified pilot and has told me there is no chance of getting CAA approval at our site due to being too close to MAN, but then again, a guy in Wigan has got approval...
[21:47] <Upu> Well yes
[21:47] <RES0V__> Oops! I'll get the correction sorted!
[21:47] <Upu> you can get approval however
[21:47] <Upu> they always have conditions on which way the balloon goes
[21:47] <Upu> normally north
[21:48] <Upu> which the winds very rarely go
[21:48] <Upu> Boston Spa was a site I put on there ages ago for a music festival
[21:48] <Upu> never launched from there due to predictions
[21:48] <Upu> your best get is go to Daves or to Elsworth or Churchill
[21:49] <Upu> Appreciate both are a long trek especially if you're taking the kids
[21:50] <RES0V__> So, maybe better to go from a different location? I saw Boston Spa School are promoting themselves as HAB folk http://www.bostonspa.leeds.sch.uk/science
[21:50] <RES0V__> Sorry, catching up with you on here....
[21:50] <Upu> :)
[21:50] <RES0V__> In terms of speed I mean...
[21:50] <RES0V__> !
[21:50] <Upu> ah interesting
[21:50] <Upu> Yes they did a launch with Rob Harrison I think
[21:51] <RES0V__> I saw his launch inventory and just added it to my links on my blog
[21:51] <Upu> Was a few years ago no
[21:51] <Upu> now
[21:52] <RES0V__> Another guy I know (Rob Jones) is putting together a manual from is experiences https://twitter.com/robjones_cowley/status/668515406529851392
[21:52] <Upu> We can have a chat about it on Thursday
[21:53] <Upu> I will try make it out to see you at school but we are very busy at the moment at work
[21:53] <RES0V__> I don't mind travelling to Churchill if it means we have a 'safer' flight. But would quite like to launch from up here as not many in the North and would be nice to represent!
[21:53] <Upu> yeah its just a total pain in the ass
[21:53] <RES0V__> haha
[21:54] <Upu> especially for you
[21:54] <Upu> as you need to arrange so much more
[21:54] <Upu> we just jump in the car
[21:54] <Upu> I don't need to get permission from my parents :)
[21:54] <RES0V__> All part of the fun ;)
[21:55] <Upu> Willing to come down to Ross on Wye one day in Decemeber for some experience ?
[21:55] <RES0V__> I can easily come to you on Thursday if that's easier for you?
[21:56] <Upu> you'll have to come to me on Thursday as I'm dog sitting :)
[21:56] <RES0V__> Yes, please *bites hand off!
[21:56] <Upu> I'll speak to Dave and see when he's launching
[21:56] <Upu> when do you break for Christmas ?
[21:57] <RES0V__> No probs. Do you want to DM me the address on Twitter and I'll set off after work, if that time is OK?
[21:57] <Upu> sure i'm in all day
[21:57] <Upu> I'll confirm late wednesday
[21:57] <Upu> got a docs appointment but doubt they'll book me in for anything on Thursday as they don't work that quick
[21:58] <RES0V__> We break on the 11th
[21:58] <Upu> that could be good timing
[21:58] <RES0V__> OK, I'll watch out for that on Wednesday eve, thanks!
[21:59] <Upu> I'll just give you the street, to find my house just look at the roof :)
[21:59] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
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[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> what is the red box?
[22:00] <Upu> fake alarm :)
[22:01] <Upu> afk 15 dog needs a walk
[22:02] <Ian_> Gaze on antenna and gasp in awe to gain access - mandated admiration ;-)
[22:02] <RES0V__> Upu: No probs. I'm not available 15-17th as have meetings in London. 19th is not ideal, either, but can work around. Just let me know!
[22:03] <RES0V__> Yup, might spot that!
[22:06] <Ian_> [heresy mode] Just come on 25th. Tie rudolph up at the antenna and enter by the access point by the rotator '-)
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[22:17] <Upu> lol Ian_
[22:19] <Ian_> Make sure that there are no sparks from your rotator . . . Kaboom! Friday night is curry night!
[22:19] <Upu> Still using your honey tonight :)
[22:19] <Upu> Better than the Tescos stuff which seems to crysalise in my cold cupboard
[22:20] <Upu> yours doesn't
[22:20] <Ian_> You should have gobbled that within a week! A lot of mine crytalises too - mainly spring honey
[22:20] <Upu> no no :)
[22:20] <Upu> tbh only opened it tonight as I had some other stuff that needed finishing first
[22:21] Nick change: Jartza_ -> Jartza
[22:21] <Ian_> Ah. Wife complains that she only gets the bottom of the barrel
[22:22] <Ian_> Enjoy!
[22:22] <Upu> i did thx :)
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> curry night?
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[22:26] <Ian_> Eine Nacht zum Essen Curry, Freitag! Naturlicht
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> cool :)
[22:27] <Ian_> No, very hot!
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:29] <Ian_> https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-06d55b51f6ae933a3ef703c61745a791?convert_to_webp=true
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[22:31] <Ian_> Kevin, hot enough to make you think Sven even. DL7AD != Lunar_Lander.
[22:31] <Ian_> You both look the same on IRC!
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[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> reading material for a talk
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> will probably draw some small illustrations for that, so that I can replace text on slides by images
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[22:57] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/47JpyGW - related to payload construction.
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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