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[06:02] <tweetBot1> @TrampLeeDesigns: Tanyawarren: A personal favourite from my Etsy shop #handmade for #baby #newmum #babybump #mumsinbiz #craft #UKHas& https://t.co/k0cKlLEB5c
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[06:22] <garymortimer> Morning all, it might be a little early for UK folks, but just in case. Remember I mentioned using LoRa and a Vulture well a rescue vulture has been treated and the folks are looking for tracking
[06:23] <garymortimer> all well and good you say, but this numpty is having issues setting stuff up
[06:23] <garymortimer> I have two TX that say they are working and producing noise when I listen out on the correct frequency, a rapid clicking
[06:23] <garymortimer> but I can't get an RX to work
[06:24] <garymortimer> is there any way of decoding the tx other than another rfm98
[06:24] <garymortimer> then at least I would know if the TX was right before worrying about the rx
[06:25] <garymortimer> I am going to take apart my RPi receiver by Dave in order to make sure I have connected everything properly
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[07:39] <garymortimer> does anybody have any sound files of what LoRa should be like?
[07:42] <Darkside_> its too wide for most receivers
[07:42] <Darkside_> all you will hear is a fast pulsing
[07:43] <Darkside_> if you have some kind of SDR you'll see it fairly clearly
[07:45] <garymortimer> I can hear it and on the right frequency as well just not sure if its right!
[07:46] <garymortimer> my raspberrypi keeps hanging with the lora-gateway and I'm not sure there is a similar arduino program
[07:49] <garymortimer> will any gateway hear or display the flextrack strings? (this may have been a dumb question)
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0UPU-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0UPU-9
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[07:55] <garymortimer> Oh wow, Darkside, is it your code I am looking at right now I wonder in github
[07:55] <garymortimer> rfm98 arduino
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[08:05] <eroomde> stilldavid_: amazing photo
[08:05] <eroomde> how did you take it?
[08:06] <Darkside_> garymortimer: oh probably
[08:07] <Darkside_> garymortimer: though the majority of it is daveake's, i just repackaged it a bit
[08:07] <Darkside_> :P
[08:14] <UpuWork> wow
[08:14] <UpuWork> how did that get repeated from my basement
[08:19] <Darkside_> ?
[08:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> m0upu-9
[08:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, a friend and I experimenting on lowpower on 2/70cm and he was experimenting on his kitchen table a coupleof days ago, he lives 60km from me and he got surprised my station reported his wspr sequncies from laying on the table with no real antenna attached
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[08:38] <fsphil> is quite weird having such low power signals being detected on the other side of the planet
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[08:59] <garymortimer> back from the shops, still struggling with LoRa any recommendations for something simple point to point to see if the modules are working?
[08:59] <Darkside_> is this on a rpi?
[09:00] <Darkside_> and with what shield?
[09:02] <garymortimer> For the Pi, I was just wiring it direct and I was thinking two arduinos. I also have some anarduino's with the rfm mounted on them
[09:02] <Darkside_> mmk
[09:02] <garymortimer> http://www.anarduino.com/miniwireless/ in fact its one of those thats doing the txing its the rxing I'm not managing
[09:03] <Darkside_> i have some code that works with the pilora groundstation shield wich Upu sells
[09:04] <garymortimer> ultimately I would like to get some UKhasnet hubs working and then we can track this here vulture over some distance
[09:04] <garymortimer> right now I'd like to see a string!
[09:04] <Darkside_> heh
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[09:05] <Darkside_> well if you feel like playing around a bit... https://github.com/darksidelemm/pySX127x
[09:05] <Darkside_> and https://github.com/projecthorus/HorusGroundStation
[09:05] <Darkside_> it will take a bit of modification to work with a different shield
[09:06] <garymortimer> Ok I will have a look, thanks
[09:06] <Darkside_> the pySX127x also has a 'spi-bridge' backend
[09:06] <garymortimer> the xs is pin compatible?
[09:06] <garymortimer> xs
[09:06] <garymortimer> sx
[09:06] <Darkside_> eh?
[09:06] <Darkside_> yes
[09:06] <garymortimer> ok
[09:06] <Darkside_> the chip on the RFM98W is the sx1276
[09:07] <Darkside_> just re-labelled
[09:07] <Darkside_> well, it looks so anyway
[09:08] <Darkside_> anyway, the spi-bridge backend is some firmware you run on an arduino with a loRa module attached
[09:08] <Darkside_> which lets you do SPI transfers and a few other things via serial
[09:08] <garymortimer> its all a little above my paygrade but I shall look!
[09:09] <Darkside_> its also poorly documented, i only got it going last week :P
[09:11] <garymortimer> ;-)
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[14:18] <fl_0> does somebody know where the default string of telemetry from the PitS board is described?
[14:29] <eroomde> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/blob/master/tracker/tracker.c#L103
[14:29] <eroomde> fl_0: ^
[14:31] <fl_0> ah tnx
[14:31] <fl_0> tight github repo
[14:31] <fl_0> but was looking at the wrong file
[14:31] <fl_0> =)
[14:31] <eroomde> clone + grep for sprintf
[14:31] <eroomde> :)
[14:31] <adamgreig> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=sprintf
[14:31] <Laurenceb> eroomde: do you know of a good design reference for isogrid structures?
[14:31] <adamgreig> github: also has search
[14:32] <Laurenceb> or anyone else engineeringy for that matter :P
[14:32] <jonsowman> adamgreig: lol, utf8=<tick> in the url
[14:32] <eroomde> not a clue i'm afraid Laurenceb
[14:32] <jonsowman> nice
[14:32] <Laurenceb> nvm
[14:32] Action: Laurenceb spent ages reading https://web.archive.org/web/20090321021950/http://femci.gsfc.nasa.gov/Isogrid/NASA-CR-124075_Isogrid_Design.pdf
[14:32] <eroomde> in what was is it deficient?
[14:32] <Laurenceb> then discovered it only covers very specific structural elements
[14:33] <eroomde> there might be a nasa SP refernce somewhere
[14:33] <adamgreig> jonsowman: you know what that's for (horrifyingly)? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27338154/why-do-some-websites-have-utf8-check-mark-in-their-title
[14:33] <Laurenceb> yeah I'll take a look
[14:33] <adamgreig> By default, older versions of IE (<=8) will submit form data in Latin-1 encoding if possible. By including a character that can't be expressed in Latin-1, IE is forced to use UTF-8 encoding for its form submissions, which simplifies various backend processes, for example database persistence.
[14:33] <jonsowman> :|
[14:34] <jonsowman> that's awful
[14:34] <stilldavid_> eroomde: hey, thanks :)
[14:35] <stilldavid_> it's lit with four flashlights in the dark.
[14:35] Nick change: stilldavid_ -> stilldavid
[14:35] <eroomde> how long was the exposure?
[14:35] <stilldavid> 1/8s
[14:35] <stilldavid> iso 720
[14:35] <eroomde> nice
[14:35] <stilldavid> that place was pretty amazing, never seen anything like it.a
[14:36] <stilldavid> the ice was super fragile, too. any bump would send it crashing to the floor with a crazy sound.
[14:37] <eroomde> where is the cave?
[14:38] <stilldavid> here in Colorado, about 4000m up a mountain. and it's actually an abandoned mine...
[14:38] <stilldavid> and quite a squeeze to get in to.
[14:38] <eroomde> nice
[14:38] <eroomde> oh i'm your way next yr
[14:38] <eroomde> got a wedding in durango
[14:39] <stilldavid> oh yeah? what time of year?
[14:39] <eroomde> going to spend a week or two driving around after
[14:39] <eroomde> august
[14:39] <eroomde> eventually arriving in vegas to fly back
[14:39] <stilldavid> durango's the other side of the state, but if we cross paths beers are on me
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[14:39] <eroomde> but want to do moab, grand canyon etc
[14:39] <stilldavid> oh, totally. great time to do it if you can stand the heat.
[14:39] <eroomde> ha yeah
[14:40] <eroomde> am prepared for heat
[14:40] <eroomde> can't really ask them to move the wedding either
[14:41] <eroomde> stilldavid: do you know moab/arches area at all? have you got any recommendations for specific hikes and view spots?
[14:42] <stilldavid> "yeah, I've got a scheduling conflict, could you, uh... bump it back a month?"
[14:42] <eroomde> there seem to be some shots of arches that are so common that i presume there are tripod foot marks worn into the bedrock
[14:42] <adamgreig> i really wanna go back to the grand canyon and actually hike
[14:42] <adamgreig> don't think I could do it in the heat though :P
[14:43] <stilldavid> eroomde: I haven't spent nearly enough time to have an opinion, but I've got an email a friend wrote for my last trip, he's been there tons.
[14:43] <stilldavid> what's a good email address?
[14:43] <eroomde> if you wouldn't mind passing it on, if it's pass-on-able, that'd be awesome
[14:44] <eroomde> eddy moore at a famous search engine's email service dotcom
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[14:50] <eroomde> thanks stilldavid
[14:50] <eroomde> perfect
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[14:50] <stilldavid> no worries, just passing it along :)
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[14:51] <stilldavid> shoot the original author a thank-you if it's helpful, he'd love it.
[14:51] <eroomde> willdo
[14:56] <kokey> I wonder what a pin header plug/recepticle/female is called in maplin language
[14:56] <eroomde> stilldavid: my vague plan was to fly to alberquerque (i'll be coming from detrot) but do you think denver might be better?
[14:56] <eroomde> to get to durango, this is
[14:57] <stilldavid> it's probably a longer drive, but it's absolutely gorgeous.
[14:57] <stilldavid> but I can't speak to the drive from ABQ, never made it.
[14:57] <eroomde> that's what i'm thinking
[14:58] <eroomde> tho i have done similar on the zephy train
[14:58] <eroomde> chicago->sf via denver
[14:58] <eroomde> zephyr*
[14:58] <eroomde> not that i would complain about seeing similar scenery again :)
[14:58] <stilldavid> ah, through glenwood canyon and whatnot? I've always wanted to do that.
[14:58] <eroomde> it was grand actually
[14:58] <eroomde> loved it
[14:59] <stilldavid> trains in the states, though. what a mess.
[14:59] <eroomde> sure, v different to here
[14:59] <eroomde> but you can still get your 3 day scenery and meet randoms in the restaurant cart and observation cart experience
[14:59] <eroomde> so i can't complain
[14:59] <eroomde> also the pulling over for hours to wait for a freight to pass :)
[15:00] <eroomde> wouldn't happen here!
[15:00] <adamgreig> freight getting priority is so weird
[15:00] <eroomde> well i think they pay for it
[15:00] <adamgreig> they really do
[15:00] <eroomde> the rail system
[15:00] <adamgreig> passengers certainly wouldn't
[15:01] <adamgreig> i was on the rocky mountaineer and it's only really a joyride train and yet we're constantly getting out of the way of these km-long freight trains
[15:01] <adamgreig> I can't really imagine what happens to them at the starts and ends of their journeys
[15:01] <adamgreig> I can't imagine them as anything except in motion really
[15:01] <eroomde> the freight trains?
[15:01] <adamgreig> yea
[15:01] <stilldavid> until they stop over your road...
[15:01] <adamgreig> the ones that are just endless
[15:01] <eroomde> well i think in reno we went past a proper sort of dystopian rail park
[15:02] <eroomde> like, km and km of branching off bits of track surrounded by enous rusted cranes and hill-sized heaps of raw materials and stuff
[15:02] <adamgreig> right
[15:02] <adamgreig> horrifying scale
[15:02] <eroomde> yeah
[15:02] <eroomde> very bladerunner :)
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[15:06] <eroomde> i think i might get a wide angle lens
[15:06] <eroomde> there's going to be a lot of scenery next year
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[15:08] <adamgreig> one of those 6mm nikons is on sale i think
[15:08] <eroomde> it'll be a fuji
[15:08] <eroomde> for that is me now
[15:08] <stilldavid> <3 my 14-24
[15:08] <adamgreig> http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/04/23/the-camera-bag-moby-dick-sized-nikon-6mm-f-2.8-fisheye-lens-on-sale-for-160
[15:08] <eroomde> they do a christ
[15:08] <adamgreig> yes but I bet fuji don't do any lenses that are so wide angle they can see behind them
[15:08] <eroomde> yeah i'm not taking that to antarctica
[15:09] <eroomde> that's more like a surface to collect sea salt via evaporation
[15:10] <eroomde> there's a fuji 14mm that gets a lot of praise
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[15:19] <eroomde> hmm but not for £700 i won't
[15:19] <eroomde> will channel my inner old-school photographer and stick to the one focal length :)
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[15:19] <LunarWork> afternoon
[15:20] <daveake> I'm very happy with my EOS M and 11-22mm
[15:20] <daveake> Wouldn't bother me much if it was a fixed 11mm
[15:20] <eroomde> yeah a nice wide zoom like that would be grand
[15:21] <daveake> It's waaay smaller/lighter than the EF equivalent
[15:22] <chris_99> i think i had the EF 11 or 10-22mm, which was awesome
[15:22] <eroomde> 14 is as wide as the fuji goes in fixed primes
[15:23] <eroomde> and that's probably about 20mm as a 35mm equiv
[15:23] <adamgreig> the 10-22 ef-s is nice
[15:23] <chris_99> yeah that was it
[15:23] <chris_99> i sold it though, because i needed the cash alas
[15:23] <adamgreig> i mostly have a 17-85 ef-s on my slr and it's really not wide enough for nice landscapes alas
[15:24] <adamgreig> these days tend to just use the slr for macro and very telephoto and have my sony non-changeable-lens thing for the rest, and it's really nice, so eh
[15:24] <adamgreig> wonder what i'll take to india
[15:24] <adamgreig> want that silly telephoto for the tiny tiny chance of a snow leopard
[15:24] <chris_99> i use a tamron 17-55 2.8, because it was a lot cheaper than canon's, and a 70-200mm but i don't really use that much at all
[15:24] <adamgreig> otherwise can't be doing with carrying all this stuff
[15:25] <eroomde> arr you going to the himalayas?
[15:25] <eroomde> i have basically ditched slrs on the basis that they're too big and annoying
[15:25] <adamgreig> yea, I would if I could afford to also have a nice fuji or similar mirrorless changeable lens thing
[15:25] <eroomde> imagine walking around old delhi with a great nikon, you/it wouldn;t last 5 minutes
[15:25] <chris_99> my friend bought a sony a6000 recently, which seems really nice
[15:26] <adamgreig> i bought this sony rx100 iii before hong kong
[15:26] <adamgreig> and it's really really really good at what it is and very nice
[15:26] <daveake> On our recent holiday I used the M a lot, plus a compact (S110) a few times. The SLRS hardly got a look in.
[15:26] <adamgreig> but still can't touch my slr with macro lens for the sorts of technical photography I end up doing mostly
[15:26] <adamgreig> pain i already have a whole bunch of money in EF-S lenses and my EF-S body though
[15:26] <chris_99> cool, what kind of macro stuff do you do?
[15:27] <adamgreig> fancy mirrorless will have to wait
[15:27] <adamgreig> well mostly electronics and similar detail stuff :P
[15:27] <eroomde> http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujinon_lens_xf60mmf24_r_macro/
[15:27] <daveake> Well the M comes with (well mine did) an adapter foor EF-S
[15:27] <eroomde> that exsists now
[15:27] <adamgreig> interesting daveake
[15:27] <chris_99> ah nice, i have a set of macro rings i've used a little on my slr
[15:27] <daveake> That was the clincher for me, not that I've actually used the adapter yet :p
[15:28] <adamgreig> not sure I'd stick with canon for a mirrorless though
[15:28] <adamgreig> eroomde: not quite himalayas i guess
[15:28] <adamgreig> ladakh
[15:29] <adamgreig> i suppose it is technically himalaya
[15:29] <eroomde> yeah i think so
[15:29] <eroomde> kashmir
[15:29] <eroomde> fun :p
[15:29] <adamgreig> in feb
[15:29] <adamgreig> more freezing than fun i think
[15:29] <eroomde> i wouldn't know personally but in general i think you want to keep your passport and documents with you at all times
[15:30] <eroomde> and photocopies of said
[15:30] <eroomde> they're a bit jumpy up there
[15:30] <adamgreig> not spending more than a day anywhere where I'll be able to see other people I think
[15:31] <adamgreig> the average maximum daytime temperture, the "hot red" end of this scale, for feb, is like -8C
[15:31] <adamgreig> average nighttime minimum just flattens at -30C "lol"
[15:31] <eroomde> nice
[15:31] <eroomde> good luck :)
[15:31] <adamgreig> might need a new sleeping bag
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Or a dog.
[15:32] <adamgreig> maybe use up some of this box of hand warmers that's been in the spaceflight lab for the last decade
[15:32] <adamgreig> probably just about enough atmospheric oxygen for them to work
[15:35] <eroomde> oh yeah!
[15:35] <eroomde> back when we thought you might need hand warmers
[15:35] <eroomde> so young, so naive
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[15:50] <eroomde> adamgreig: 'The secretary of state said: 'Oh shit''
[15:50] <eroomde> david mackay on r4 now
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[15:58] <fab4space> I have updated my comment on the https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/issues/12 for the number of client daveake UpuWork
[15:58] <daveake> ok
[15:59] <fab4space> maybe oneday we will make a pits lora gateway with the SX1301 :p
[16:01] <fab4space> Emulates 49x LORA demodulators
[16:02] <craag> If anything like CDMA, then it's likely the lora concentrators will require all the clients to be the approximately the same signal strength.
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[16:06] <fab4space> I don't know what is the cost of the SX1255 IQ RF Transceiver
[16:06] <fab4space> but it may be a good candidate to design a new SDR
[16:06] <fab4space> for 70cm ISM band
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[16:39] <chrisstubbs> adamgreig, I've ordered a hackrf to play with!
[16:39] <adamgreig> nice :)
[16:42] <chrisstubbs> Delayed reaction to your talk, interesting stuff
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[16:42] <chrisstubbs> GRC looks like fun to install on windows
[16:42] <adamgreig> haha god I dread to think
[16:42] <adamgreig> bad enough on linux
[16:42] <adamgreig> someone must have made an easy installer
[16:42] <chris_99> GRC as in Gnuradio companion?
[16:42] <chrisstubbs> Yeah
[16:43] <chris_99> it's easy enough to install on ubuntu
[16:45] <chrisstubbs> USB is problematic using a VM apparently, so I might give that a go
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[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK4POC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK4POC-11
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[20:45] <Chimpusmaximus> Just got word my copa flight has washed up in Germany Eidersperrwerk.
[20:46] <Upu> nice one :)
[20:46] <Chimpusmaximus> Yeah the power of the Internet
[20:47] <Upu> was it last or dunked ?
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[20:47] <Chimpusmaximus> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rEqs9E5T/IMG_0144.JPG
[20:47] <Chimpusmaximus> Was lost about 7km of east coast in July
[20:48] <Upu> awesome
[20:48] <Chimpusmaximus> Shows how good the kapton tape I used was. Only thing not faded.
[20:49] <daveake> ha
[20:49] <Chimpusmaximus> Only used as had tons from 3D printing and it sticks to itself very well
[20:51] <Upu> yep its good stuff
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[20:54] <Chimpusmaximus> did have a hope it might wash up eventually
[20:59] <Upu> what was in that Chimpusmaximus ?
[20:59] <Chimpusmaximus> PITS and mobius
[20:59] <Upu> oh well high chance you'll get some pics back
[20:59] <Chimpusmaximus> looks like mobius has washed away as that was in the hole
[20:59] <Chimpusmaximus> yep
[21:00] <Chimpusmaximus> whats the returns policy on a slightly damp PITS
[21:00] <Upu> hah
[21:00] <Upu> wonder if we could coax it back into life ? :)
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[21:00] <Upu> salt water generally wrecks stuff
[21:01] <Chimpusmaximus> yeah i would never trust it again.
[21:01] <Upu> lets have a look when it comes back
[21:01] <daveake> it's a use-once board; buy more :p
[21:02] <Upu> lol
[21:02] <Chimpusmaximus> hehe i'm on my 3rd...
[21:02] <Upu> top customer :)
[21:03] <Chimpusmaximus> i would like to think so
[21:03] <Chimpusmaximus> just don't tell wife
[21:03] <Upu> lets see some pics when you get it back anyway
[21:03] <daveake> 1 - Pay - 2 Don't ask any questions 3 - lose - 4 - repeat
[21:04] <Upu> most people get stuck at 2
[21:04] <daveake> beat me to it lol
[21:08] <Chimpusmaximus> 1st was the older one so had to replace the one in this payload with a newer one as wanted LoRa
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, thanks for shipping the mtx2 :)
[21:31] <Upu> no problems Lunar
[21:31] <Upu> I can confirm I am however not rich yet
[21:31] <Upu> order maybe three next time
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> do you have a moment for short pm?
[21:32] <Upu> if its quick sure
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[23:11] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: grc on fedora23 was nice and easy to install and works with the hackrf (I just got one as well to play with).
[23:11] <mfa298> I may try windows at some point but that does look more interesting.
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday in Texas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJ5_xRLuE0
[23:21] Action: mfa298 looks up distance from there to Dallas, then looks up London to Paris.
[23:21] <mfa298> Texas is huge!
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:25] <mfa298> the borders are interesting too, looks like someone drew them with a ruler monday-thursday then decided to let a spider finish it off on friday.
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[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea :P
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> the mexican border is defined by rio grande IIRC
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[23:36] <chrisstubbs> mfa298, "more interesting" lol
[23:37] <chrisstubbs> I'll try windows first, possibly tomorrow. Until then, laters!
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[23:43] <mfa298> for chrisstubbs if he reads the logs or when he comes back: I found this which may make it easier http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=12402#p12402
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