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[10:54] <PE2BZ> !flights
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03FRINUS 10(ca6e), 03NOVA30 10(f352)
[10:54] <PE2BZ> !payload NOVA30
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:54] <PE2BZ> !payload f352
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03JOEY4 10(f352) 03$$JOEY4 - 03434.63 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:56] <PE2BZ> !payload ca6e
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03FRINUS 10(ca6e) 03$$FRINUS - 03Primary - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:57] <PE2BZ> Good morning all !
[10:58] <PE2BZ> Nice to see that JOEY4 uses an ¨in between¨ frequency, between two telemetry signals locally around here.
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[11:17] <Upu> !track JOEY4
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOEY4
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[12:15] <pb0ahx> !flights
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03FRINUS 10(ca6e), 03NOVA30 10(f352)
[12:15] <pb0ahx> !dial f352
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03JOEY4 10(f352): 03434.593986 MHz
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[12:33] <SA6BSS> FRINUS is canceld just so you know
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[13:03] <RES0V> Anyone here?
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its a bi quite last few days no good weather for flying!
[13:05] <RES0V> Thanks! I assume JOEY4 is not going ahead?
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Haven't spotted that it was cancelled so far
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> They know it was going to be a wet landing!
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> or was that another flight ?
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah yes "soggy landing"
[13:08] <fsphil> some nasty gusts here today. would be a challange launching anything
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> would agree, its very variable down here on the South Coast at present
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[13:12] <RES0V> Hi, by the way! I'm just getting started with all this - hoping to track a flight with my new receiver to see if I can do it!
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> What sort of setup are you using ?
[13:12] <RES0V> I say 'new' 2nd hand Yupiteru MVT-7100
[13:12] <fsphil> only 13 minutes into ISH time, so plenty of time yet :)
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> what aerial are you using ?
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> and location ?
[13:14] <gonzo_nb> what's flying today?
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> JOEY, but I'm out shortly.
[13:14] <RES0V> Haven't even figured out the cable I need to get the signal into my Macbook yet, so just playing it straight into the in-built mic...
[13:14] <m6jnj> Im another newbie trying this out for first time can somebody pse confirm what freq I should usingon my Yaesu 817? thanks
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Flight details here https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/zIbMKYU65sE/7bEHrXd1FQAJ
[13:15] <RES0V> Aerial.... Just the one that came with it :( Can I hook it up to my TV aerial?)
[13:16] <RES0V> Location - Ripponden, near Halifax
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You mean just the rubber duck aerial on the scanner?
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not sure you will get much on just that aerial then, you really need something a little better and outside.
[13:17] <RES0V> http://www.rocketradio.co.uk/ekmps/shops/rocketradio/images/yupiteru-mvt-7100-7300-replacement-scanner-antenna-76-p.jpg
[13:17] <fsphil> worth trying anyway. but a well placed good antenna is 90% if what you need
[13:17] <fsphil> if/of
[13:18] <RES0V> How about my TV aerial? "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask"(!)
[13:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Indeed give it ago but Halifax to Cambridge even at 20-30Km height is going to be interesting.
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Well you can try it, but its not tuned to the right frequency and probably pointing in the wrong direction as well!
[13:19] <chris_99> so i've just used a ~1m antenna to pick up a balloon before, what would you call such an antenna our of interest
[13:19] <fsphil> tv aerials are not great, and usuaully pointing in the wrong direction, and at a very high power transmitter that will probably mask the weak hab signal
[13:19] <daveake> Re the macbook, if it has a combined mic/headphone socket then you'll need an adapter like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Headset-laptop-tablet-computer/dp/B0052WFFIS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447593514&sr=8-1&keywords=4+pin+tablet+jack+adapter
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Aerials especialy Yagi aerials are very directional, but also resonant so off frequency the beams/lobes move around and "shrink" a lot
[13:20] <daveake> plus a standard 3.5mm jack plug-plug cable
[13:20] <fsphil> you can make a quick antenna for 434mhz though, just by stripping some coax
[13:20] <fsphil> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[13:21] <RES0V> I bought one of these last night... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231280483700
[13:21] <RES0V> And one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291492770365
[13:21] <fsphil> so you'd end up with something like https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:qwave13.jpg which you could place on a pole or a window facing the flight
[13:22] <m6jnj> Hi, can anybody guide me on my lat/lon in dlfldigi, I'm showing correct coordinates, but map shows me 30 miles to east in sheerness?
[13:23] <fsphil> fldigi expects decimal coordinates dd.dddd, have you entered the oddball ones that use hours? dddhh.hhhh?
[13:23] <fsphil> though the error would be greater than 30 miles
[13:23] <RES0V> Re: macbook, I have read that it does and doesn't! It is a mid-2012 model. I plugged some iPhone headphones in and the mic was picked up in some recording software, so I assume it has a combi port (TRRS)
[13:24] <daveake> ok with a combi port you just need the thing I posted or the second one you posted
[13:24] <RES0V> Hi Dave, why not the USB one?
[13:24] <daveake> you could use that instead
[13:25] <daveake> it's a separate audio device, not an adapter
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> m6jnj, you should be around 51.439704, 0.076072
[13:26] <m6jnj> lat 51.4398623 lon 0.763277 as you can see near Greenwich.
[13:26] <RES0V> Bought the USB one just to be sure for the Macbook, but the adapter will hopefully be OK for my Android phone
[13:26] <daveake> yes
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No 0.0763277 East
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> need a Zero after decimal place you close to the Meridian!
[13:27] <fsphil> yeah, 51.4398623, 0.763277 is definitly in sheerness :)
[13:28] <m6jnj> Ah yes, thanks guys.
[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Right AFK, hope it flies this afternoon
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[13:29] <m6jnj> Last question on the frequency side as maths is now much good plans show 434.63 with a 425hz shift, I make that 433.575 is that correct?
[13:31] <JFS1> Is Nova30 launch still on?
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No its 434.63 + a little I suspect, the carrier shift is 0.000425MHz
[13:31] <fsphil> no word JFS1
[13:32] <m6jnj> so do I tune the my 817 to 434.63? that's what I'm not sure of
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes
[13:32] <fsphil> start around there, and tune around a bit
[13:32] <m6jnj> thanks again guys
[13:32] <fsphil> the advertised frequency is never that accurate
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[13:32] <daveake> Remember that whatever the tx frequency is, you need to tune just below that
[13:33] <daveake> e.g if you're 1lHz below then the lower tone will be 1kHz in the speaker
[13:33] <m6jnj> Thanks Phil, yes I appreciate that.
[13:33] <daveake> and the upper tone another 425Hz or whatever higher
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[13:34] <m6jnj> Thanks Dave
[13:35] <RES0V> How much would you set the step to when searching around 434.63?
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[13:36] <m0npt> is NOVA30 still been launched today?
[13:36] <fsphil> no news m0npt
[13:37] <m0npt> ah ok thank you, Better head to town for lunch then :) thx Phil
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[13:38] <fsphil> RES0V: for most payloads I've rarely had to tune more than +/- 2khz
[13:38] <fsphil> some of the older NTX2 (pre-B) based ones might have needed more
[13:40] <fsphil> you'll get a better idea once other people are decoding it, and can report on the actual frequency
[13:41] <RES0V> fsphil: Thanks :)
[13:42] <fsphil> if it launches :)
[13:42] <RES0V> Indeed...
[13:43] <RES0V> My bigger concern is my aerial situation. I'm currently using this http://www.rocketradio.co.uk/ekmps/shops/rocketradio/images/yupiteru-mvt-7100-7300-replacement-scanner-antenna-76-p.jpg
[13:43] <RES0V> ...and know I should be using something better. Question is: What?
[13:44] <fsphil> I've one of these: http://www.diamondantenna.net/x50na.html
[13:44] <daveake> Also, Location, Location, Location,
[13:44] <fsphil> needs to be installed on a roof though
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[13:48] <RES0V> So, Location (geographical)? or Location (roof)? or Location (proximity to other aerials etc) (Or, as I suspect - all three!)
[13:48] <fsphil> mine is currently on the floor behind me, so not much use today
[13:48] <fsphil> yeah, all of the above ;)
[13:48] <RES0V> Bugger.
[13:48] <fsphil> as high as possible
[13:48] <fsphil> above the roof line
[13:49] <daveake> Receiving balloons is all about line of sight
[13:49] <daveake> So somewhere with a clear view of your horizon
[13:49] <daveake> i.e. get above local obstacles
[13:50] <fsphil> I'm on the top of a hill, which is handy
[13:50] <fsphil> though it's a hill in n.ireland, which isn't as handy
[13:50] <m6jnj> fsphil - am I right in thinking you've tracked HAB's with the diamond?
[13:50] <fsphil> yep m6jnj
[13:50] <fsphil> lots of them
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[13:51] <fsphil> I've managed to track payloads about 600km away with it
[13:51] <m6jnj> Cool, I've just taken mine down in favour of a yagi hand held arrow, might put the diamond back up then
[13:51] <fsphil> but the clear horizon is probably more of a factor with that, than the antenna
[13:52] <m6jnj> yep, not too bad where I am, 74m asl. could be better
[13:52] <fsphil> a yagi on the roof with some electronic aiming would be great too :)
[13:52] <m6jnj> Yep, it's all on the floor in the shed including the rotator :-)
[13:53] <fsphil> I'm not sure I could get away with a rotator and a large yagi. it would look out of place
[13:53] <m6jnj> The arrow is quite good with SO50 and the likes, but makes your arm ache
[13:54] <fsphil> yeah the few times I've tried receiving satellites with a yagi, all ended with little success and a sore arm
[13:54] <m6jnj> My yagi has been up and no complaints, maybe when I movfe house it will be more permanent
[13:55] <fsphil> most of the houses here have two TV antennas, so I could probably just pretend it's that. that just happens to move
[13:57] <m6jnj> I have a 2m and 70cm home brews, but look a bit too much, so just tend to use one at a time.
[13:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F1JRN-9 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1JRN-9
[14:03] <RES0V> I live on a hill, but about half way up it. What count as 'obstacles'?
[14:03] <PE2BZ> !flights
[14:03] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03FRINUS 10(ca6e), 03NOVA30 10(f352)
[14:03] <RES0V> Trees?
[14:04] <fsphil> buildings, the other half of the hill
[14:04] <fsphil> possibly trees, not sure on that
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[14:07] <RES0V> The other half of the hill is the bit that might get in the way! Might have to venture up to the reservoir... https://goo.gl/maps/sAnGcEMWqyC2
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[14:08] <RES0V> What does the 'f352' mean after NOVA30 above?
[14:12] <dbrooke> it's just an ID
[14:12] <dbrooke> !payload f352
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> 03dbrooke: Payload 03JOEY4 10(f352) 03$$JOEY4 - 03434.63 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[14:12] <dbrooke> !payload JOEY4
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> 03dbrooke: Payload 03JOEY4 10(f352) 03$$JOEY4 - 03434.63 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[14:12] <dbrooke> the name usually works too
[14:13] <RES0V> Works for what (total newbie here...)
[14:13] <RES0V> ?
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[14:13] <dbrooke> for those commands to the SpacenearUS bot
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[14:15] <dbrooke> RES0V: see https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[14:18] <RES0V> Aha. Thanks.
[14:18] <RES0V> !track JOEY4
[14:18] <SpacenearUS> 03RES0V: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOEY4
[14:19] <dbrooke> there you go 8-)
[14:19] <RES0V> Can I take my stabilisers off now? ;)
[14:21] <RES0V> I managed to configure dl-fldigi and get myself to appear on http://tracker.habhub.org/ a few days ago, but I have now changed my callsign. However, the callsign has not changed on habhub. Any idea why?
[14:22] <Upu> just need a balloon in the air now
[14:23] <dbrooke> RES0V: reloading the tracker page updated it for me just now
[14:24] <Upu> RES0V is that you in Ripponden ?
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[14:25] <Upu> RES0V is that you in Ripponden ?
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[14:25] <RES0V> Yes
[14:25] <Upu> Peter ?
[14:25] <RES0V> Yup
[14:25] <Upu> hi good to speak to you on Friday glad you found your way in here :)
[14:26] <RES0V> Thanks, you too. Yes, been asking some terrible questions and getting some excellent answers :)
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[14:27] <Upu> you'll pick stuff up just by hanging about on here
[14:27] <RES0V> I'm a bit worried that my house might need moving higher up the hill I live on... for starters...
[14:27] <Upu> heh well you may be in a dip there but
[14:27] <Upu> once the balloon gets high enough
[14:28] <Upu> I know exactly where you are as we go to the Fox Bar and Bistro
[14:29] <Upu> your Watson antenna is up where that station is need Queensbury but not today as I've got cold and I'm staying inside :)
[14:29] <G4YHE> I assume nova 30 will not launch because of the windy conditions.
[14:29] <RES0V> Aha! Great! Nice pub. My other issue is the aerial I'm using, which is just the one that came with the Yupiteru. Any chance of me picking anything up just with that?
[14:30] <Upu> possibly but unless its on the roof probably not
[14:30] <Upu> you may just about hear something
[14:30] <Upu> Well G4YHE never say never
[14:30] <Upu> you can launch in wind and rain
[14:30] <Upu> its just not pleasant and hard if its very windyu
[14:31] <Upu> this is CUSF though I doubt a bit of wind and rain is going to stop anything
[14:31] <Upu> flooded launch site maybe
[14:31] <RES0V> I can't get this on the roof... http://goo.gl/CEpUhK
[14:31] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzHug3Ji3Ms
[14:31] <G4YHE> upu I will keep watching
[14:31] <Upu> nope RES0V
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[14:39] <gonzo_nb> RES0V, an amateur dual band vertical (x50 or similar) would do well on the roof
[14:40] <gonzo_nb> the scanning rx may not be the most sensitive, so adding a habamp yould be a nice addition
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[14:44] <RES0V_> test
[14:45] <RES0V> gonzo_nb one like this?: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X-50-N-2m-70cm-Dual-Band-Amateur-Base-Antenna-X50-N-Type-/351170628492
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[14:46] <gonzo_> yep that's the one
[14:47] <gonzo_> and 2nd hand ones are usually worth looking at as they are pretty well built and last well
[14:47] <gonzo_> use some good coax on it (RG213 or similar) and waterproof the connection
[14:48] <gonzo_> that is pretty much the staple HAB antenna
[14:48] <RES0V> Upu: Hope you are feeling better soon! Which station near Queensbury?
[14:48] <Upu> should be on the map
[14:48] <Upu> M0UPU
[14:49] <RES0V> gonzo_: OK, great. Thanks.
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[14:50] <RES0V> Upu: Got it, thanks.
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[15:05] <Ian_> With an X50 colinear or similar, you will notice your rx/tx range increase for every four or five foot that you put underneath it, so height is significant.
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[15:06] <Ian_> The fact that 10mW can be heard from 50+km away is testement to the 'up high and in the clear' mantra that you will often hear!
[15:07] <Ian_> That August 2013 launch, watching just now, I had my heart in my mouth for the package clearing the trees for a moment . . . scary even!
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[15:41] <fsphil> I've had a few near-misses with payloads and buildings
[15:42] <fsphil> near-hits even
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[15:50] <M6JNJ> Was Nova30 a no go today?
[15:51] <fsphil> looks like
[15:52] <M6JNJ> fsphil, are you the same fsphil on Margarets birdbox website?
[15:52] <eroomde> i'm not sure what the naming convention is for Nova flights anymore
[15:53] <eroomde> i mean cusf must have launched about 200+ habs so far, but what gets called Nova and what gets called 'ssssssh!' is uncertain
[15:53] <fsphil> M6JNJ: I'm occasionally on biggonline's forum
[15:53] <M6JNJ> ok me too, my other hobby nestcams.
[15:53] <fsphil> nice. I had to skip this year due to moving house
[15:54] <eroomde> if there are two fsphils into birboxes then i'm putting that up there with an sha256 collision
[15:54] <fsphil> lol
[15:54] <fsphil> yes
[15:56] <M6JNJ> Ah right, same here next year.
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[16:02] <fsphil> I must get that up again soon. still sitting in bits
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[16:13] <m0npt> has Nova30 been cancelled?
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[16:19] <gonzo_> I assume the cusf launch didn't happen?
[16:20] <gonzo_> though wuppose a little ish time remains
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[17:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03bike_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=bike_chase
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[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> I increased Upu's profit earlier while increasing my MTX2 ownership
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[18:00] <fsphil> now he can retire
[18:01] <lz1dev> 1 million MTX2
[18:01] <lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/FF5c7LH.jpg
[18:09] <Laurenceb_> anyone know how to fix the "consistency error, no forward/back annotation will be performed" error in eagle?
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[18:09] <eroomde> yes
[18:09] <eroomde> never, ever, ever edit anything with just one of sch or brd open
[18:09] <Laurenceb_> delete the brd ?
[18:09] <eroomde> always have both open
[18:09] <Laurenceb_> ok
[18:09] <eroomde> to manually fix it, you can go and manually rename all the corresponding signals by hand
[18:09] <Laurenceb_> will it be fixed if i delete the brd file?
[18:09] <eroomde> it might kill you
[18:10] <eroomde> if you haven't done any layout yet, sure, delete the brd
[18:10] <Laurenceb_> ok
[18:10] <eroomde> then hit the brd button and it'll regenerate
[18:11] <Laurenceb_> yeah
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[18:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2EAT-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-11
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[18:32] <Ian_> Well worth knowing !
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[18:36] <Ian_> Ha ha, Kevin I was talking about the Eagle issue, but I do appreciate that your buying power might change the lifestyle of Upu :)
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[21:14] <ntx2> Hey - have a question....has anyone used gas sensors in their HAB flights (for eg., measuring O3, CO, CO2 with altitude etc)?
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[21:19] <SpeedEvil> yes,various people have
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> no, I have no links
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> I think CO is going to be ~0 everywhere
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> Temperature is going to be a major issue for most
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> I think the MQ series sensors are also quite cross-sensitve
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> also needs quite some current
[21:22] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> Why can't someone bring out a nice, sensitive, GC/MS in a DIP8 that runs on 5v
[21:23] <ntx2> Co or CO2
[21:23] <ntx2> is what I am looking for
[21:23] <ntx2> thinking of adding a UV sensor and also seeing the concentration of CO2, O3, CO along with height
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea just like so many other systems in similar packages SpeedEvil
[21:24] <chris_99> i'd totes buy that SpeedEvil
[21:25] <ntx2> CO being 0 everywhere makes sense
[21:26] <ntx2> I see what you mean
[21:26] <ntx2> the current needed might mean more power
[21:27] <chris_99> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAuMmH7R5Ps that looks impressive
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> ntx2: It might be nonzero in the exosphere
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> - where ionisation time is significant with regards to ballistic interaction times
[21:30] <ntx2> SpeedEvil - but our HAB payload does not reach exosphere, right?
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> No.
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> The atmosphere is for most purposes, sea-level-like at 45km, with very little variance
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[21:31] <RealBorg> I'd be interested in flying a geiger counter and a ads-b receiver
[21:33] <chris_99> can you get similar results to a geiger counter with a PIN photodiode
[21:34] <chris_99> i guess maybe they can't detect alpha/beta?
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> dunno.
[21:39] <chris_99> 'Alpha, beta, gamma, and X-ray radiation can be detected with silicon PIN photodiodes either directly via the absorption in the crystal lattice or indirectly via the measurement of the luminescence radiation of a scintillation crystal.'
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> cheap geiger are cheap
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[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> also there is not much to discover still with a simple geiger
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> radiation increases up to about 12 km and then decreases a bit again
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MwwRhQ7qEAsC&pg=PA20&dq=Pfotzer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kb0ZVciPF8nbasL0gIAC&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Pfotzer&f=false
[22:16] <mattbrejza> are you trying something else then Lunar_Lander ?
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> no, nothing related to cosmic rays
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> but I made a geiger counter from a kit as the first kit I ever soldered
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> the one from mightyohm.com
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[22:31] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> when I wanted to include it, my professor said I should look around a bit for potential usages
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> and I even asked someone working on the CREAM experiment I think
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> and I was told the "easy" stuff is done in short
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> what I know however is that the Reading team uses double counters to measure the ionization rate of the air, i.e. they correlate the CR count to their electricity measurements
[22:37] <mattbrejza> hmm
[22:38] <mattbrejza> measuring the energy of each count would be more interesitng?
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea, sounds good
[22:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6MFT_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6MFT_chase
[22:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-4
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/jHMrQD0.png
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> tracker done
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> I'm a little worried about the xtal above the rf output
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> 14 x 5mm , 750 gram tracker :D
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> *milligram
[22:42] <mattbrejza> you need to sort out your labels...
[22:42] <mattbrejza> or perhaps that text is much smaller than it looks
[22:43] <Laurenceb_> its using 8 mil lines
[22:44] <mattbrejza> even shitty chinese places will do 6mil
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> heh fairdoos
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> still need to work out if xtal drive level is ok, and if capacitive coupling through the pcb to the xtal might screw things up
[22:45] <mattbrejza> crystals do have metal cans...
[22:45] <Laurenceb_> its just a TDA7116F keyfob IC and a little 4 pin BGA GMR sensor to turn it on
[22:45] <Laurenceb_> yeah but the pad is going to capacitively couple
[22:46] <mattbrejza> i cant even see the crystal on there :/
[22:47] <mattbrejza> also why is eagle rendering bsilk ontop of everything :/
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> heh I'll do it as some proper top/bottom views with gerbv in a few minutes
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[22:54] <Laurenceb_> actually spinning the xtal through 90 degrees is much better
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