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[07:46] <UpuWork> abacabb
[07:46] <UpuWork> free password
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[12:14] <LunarWork> hello
[12:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F1JRN-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1JRN-9
[12:43] <Laurenceb> looks like si4010 is a non starter
[12:43] <Laurenceb> it requires 480ohm load, so full wave or intermediate length loop
[12:43] <Laurenceb> small loop would be next to impossible to match efficiently
[12:44] <gonzo_> make a matching transformer
[12:45] <gonzo_> a wl/4 length of 265r coax
[12:45] <mattbrejza> you could match it to a 50ohm helical though?
[12:46] <Laurenceb> mattbrejza: I could yes
[12:46] <Laurenceb> but I'm not sure what the advantages would be
[12:46] <mattbrejza> youre component count would triple tohugh...
[12:46] <Laurenceb> compared to a simpler "dumb" tx
[12:46] <Laurenceb> using e.g. http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/388687.pdf
[12:46] <mattbrejza> well its crystaless, but they arnt that heavy
[12:47] <Laurenceb> yeah and +-250ppm
[12:47] <mattbrejza> you could then need a micro for that one
[12:47] <Laurenceb> so that would rule out anyone who doesnt have a good SDR from listening in
[12:47] <Laurenceb> nope that just needs a GMR sensor to turn it on
[12:48] <Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1716640.pdf
[12:48] <mattbrejza> oh right
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[12:49] <Laurenceb> so two components and a xtal
[12:49] <Laurenceb> compared to si4010, vreg and GMR sensor
[12:49] <Laurenceb> component count doesnt change
[12:50] <ntx2> Hello - I have a couple of questions about testing the payload. I have held the payload on a level road and driven about ~2.5 Km and still received the signal until I went over a hill. I wonder if this is enough to confirm that the antenna is good and that we will be able to receive signal from 35 km away....
[12:50] <adamgreig> yea sounds fine
[12:51] <ntx2> I followed the instructions from the wiki to make the antenna....
[12:51] <ntx2> in the causes for failure on the wiki, there is something about using a SMA plug and the cord getting tangled with the antenna after burst
[12:52] <ntx2> I did not quite follow that
[12:52] <ntx2> here is what it says - Use an RP-SMA plug on the aerial, and an SMA socket on the tracker. This is advanced failure mode, and everything will look OK before launch, but you will notice (with delight) that your tracker's signal disappears within seconds of the launch.
[12:53] <adamgreig> ah
[12:53] <adamgreig> it's not very clearly written
[12:53] <adamgreig> basically SMA connectors usually have the pin in the cable-bit and the hole in the PCB-bit
[12:53] <adamgreig> but some SMA connectors, called "RP SMA", are the other way around
[12:53] <mattbrejza> https://origin.ih.constantcontact.com/fs110/1101927195657/img/471.jpg?ver=1399316382000
[12:53] <adamgreig> unfortunately this means you might use a PCB that is SMA (and so doesn't have a pin) and a cable that is RP-SMA (and so also doesn't)
[12:53] <adamgreig> they will screw together
[12:53] <adamgreig> but there's no connection between them
[12:53] <Laurenceb> I'm going to try some 4nec2
[12:54] <Laurenceb> seems a lot nicer than eznec, and opensource too
[12:56] <ntx2> let me show you what I have
[12:57] <ntx2> http://imgur.com/VulJGTC
[12:58] <ntx2> but in mine, there is a pin in the cable and it goes in the hole on the connector that is soldered to the PCB as shown in the image
[12:58] <ntx2> when testing I had it connected to the antenna...and it worked during my 2 km test....
[13:00] <ntx2> so should I be worried about this risk or am I ok?
[13:00] <Laurenceb> anyone here ever used 4nec2?
[13:04] <ntx2> what is 4nec2? I have not used it
[13:04] <Laurenceb> ok nvm
[13:07] <ntx2> Thanks for the description adamgreig. After reading your description, it is clear that I will not face that risk.
[13:08] <ntx2> Here is one more risk - Solder the radio aerial on so that, with a bit of luck, it will fall off during descent as the support lines wrap around the spinning payload.
[13:08] <ntx2> in my case, I am still not sure of what to do with the aerial to ensure that it is stuck to the layload. I was planning on using a glue gun to secure the aerial to the payload
[13:09] <ntx2> are there other ways to secure it so that I do not lose the aerial after the burst?
[13:22] <ntx2> no one here?
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[13:24] <daveake> hot melt and/or duct tape
[13:25] <fab4space> yes I used hot melt and duct tape too , it worked well :)
[13:28] <ntx2> thanks!
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOEY4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOEY4
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[13:47] <Laurenceb> wow 4nec2 pwns
[13:48] <Laurenceb> although a 10^4 element model is kind of slow
[13:51] <Laurenceb> as in a few minutes run time
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[13:53] <Laurenceb> this antenna could be handy for picoballooning
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[15:42] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/LAyHvQo.png
[15:42] <Laurenceb> bet 434mhz would be possible, but bandwidth would suffer
[15:44] <mattbrejza> what bandwidth are you after?
[15:44] <mattbrejza> or does it just make it easier to tune?
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[15:45] <Laurenceb> just easier to tune
[15:45] <Laurenceb> tuning can be done by chopping off some of the copper foil loop at the bottom
[15:47] <Laurenceb> adding another turn to the helix should give ~434mhz
[15:48] <mattbrejza> how long is that?
[15:52] <Laurenceb> 6cm
[15:53] <mattbrejza> plenty of space left the
[15:53] <mattbrejza> b
[15:53] <mattbrejza> n
[15:53] <Laurenceb> might be useful for picoballoons, depends how much sticking a bigger pcb up the middle changes behaviour
[16:03] <mattbrejza> oh, to meet the 2m limitation?
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[16:04] <Laurenceb> hmm yeah or that
[16:05] <Laurenceb> a scaled up copy of the same design could be interesting
[16:05] <Laurenceb> maybe a meter long
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[17:59] <Lupus_sat> Hi All! Can anybody advise me a ready-to-use telemetry unit to transmit via NTX2 (RTTY or DominoEX) balloons' parameters (coordinates, altitude, temperature etc.)?
[17:59] <mclane__> see upus shop
[17:59] <mclane__> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=75
[18:01] <Lupus_sat> Habduino Kit is good, but I have already bought NTX2B module :)
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[18:03] <mclane__> then design and build your own - it's fun!
[18:05] <Lupus_sat> Hardware is not of my problem. Programming is ptoblem. :-)
[18:06] <Lupus_sat> OK, thanks for link.
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[18:10] <MikeUoN> hi :)
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