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[00:41] <Laurenceb_> http://noflyzano.com/
[00:42] <SpeedEvil> yeah - the cheap chinese drones are getting insane
[00:43] <SpeedEvil> The multi-image view (like old Dr Who intro) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGNOITZGOl4 - would let you work out the lag on that
[00:45] <SpeedEvil> I've wondered about lowering bandwidth by transmitting a panorama culled by motion flow.
[00:45] <SpeedEvil> It's an interesting problem.
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> Rolling shutter makes it annoying.
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> Rolling shutter makes everything annoying.
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[01:26] <Laurenceb_> looks legit https://www.gofundme.com/yy7yz3k
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[01:36] <RealBorg> "Human experience shows that people, not organizations or management systems, get things done.” - Hyman Rickover
[01:36] <RealBorg> NASA, ESA and co have proven that point
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[16:20] <arjunnaha> Who can I ask to launch from Ross-on-Wye?
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[16:46] <daveake> At the moment, Aeolus
[16:57] <arjunnaha> Do you know if there is any public land to launch from around there (only asking because your name was mentioned with the rs launch in Ross-on-Wye)
[17:09] <craag> I think there's another reason why you may want to ask him arjunnaha ;)
[17:10] <craag> (it's his house)
[17:10] <arjunnaha> I couldn't find any solid evidence, but there were was massive hints ;-)
[17:11] <daveake> Thought we discussed this a few weeks ago ?
[17:12] <daveake> Summary of which was that I'm away at the time you wanted to launch
[17:13] <tweetBot> @daveake: SSDV with re-transmission of missing packets, using a LoRa uplink to notify the tracker https://t.co/eLWXQKMMQd #UKHAS
[17:14] <arjunnaha> I don't think so, I've probably forgot; but we were going to launch from Cotswold for the past number of weeks, but we're now looking at a sea landing :-(
[17:17] <arjunnaha> Since you live there ;-), do you know of any open space from where we can launch (that don't require your presence)
[17:18] <daveake> There's a small park in town, however plenty of trees and it's overlooked by buildings on a hill
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[17:26] <arjunnaha> Do you usually launch from your garden?
[17:27] <daveake> fill in garden; launch in the adjacent field
[17:28] <mattbrejza> beats a 3hr early morning drive to cam
[17:28] <mattbrejza> still not the longest drive to a launch site
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[17:28] <arjunnaha> Is that field open to the public?
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[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6OMN-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6OMN-11
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[17:49] <daveake> no
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[18:13] <fab4space> daveake, awesome the LoRa uplink for ssdv missing packets :)
[18:13] <fab4space> I'm looking forward to test it!
[18:14] <fab4space> how will it work if there are several receivers and only on of them don't get the packets?
[18:15] <daveake> Then nothing will happen
[18:16] <daveake> It will (it doesn't yet) ask the SSDV server for a list of missing packets
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:38] <fab4space> ok daveake , that's nice :)
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[19:08] <fsphil> there's a beta api for querying the ssdv data, http://ssdv.habhub.org/about.php
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[19:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6IZU-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6IZU-11
[19:38] <Laurenceb> http://www.rocket-co.jp/ham/loop-ant.html
[20:04] <fab4space> thanks fsphil for the API!
[20:07] Action: Laurenceb has been looking at 868mhz CW tracking
[20:07] <Laurenceb> I think I can fit a tracker into 850mg
[20:07] <Laurenceb> which would fit on a Klima rockoon
[20:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/88783.pdf
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[20:33] <chris_99> just saw this on HN - http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf ' Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants (1972) '
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[20:33] <Lupus_sat> Hi, All! Is it possible to buy NTX2B 434Mhz Radio Module on http://ava.upuaut.net?
[20:34] <craag> it is certainly possible
[20:34] <craag> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=92
[20:34] <eroomde> You want to talk to Upu
[20:34] <eroomde> you are presumably here because the shop said to visit?
[20:35] <Lupus_sat> Yes :)
[20:35] <Lupus_sat> I would like to buy it fo iur second stratospheric ballonn.
[20:36] <Lupus_sat> *balloon
[20:36] <eroomde> great, welcome
[20:36] <eroomde> upu runs the shop, and he does a discount for members of this channel
[20:37] <Lupus_sat> I'm from Belarus, and Radiometrix Online Store don't want to sent NXT2 to my country. :(
[20:38] <Lupus_sat> OK, I will contack with Upu.
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[20:38] <eroomde> he is around here a lot, though perhaps not right now, but hang around here and he'll find you
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[20:40] <Lupus_sat> eroomde, thanks!
[20:41] <eroomde> you might be our first belarussian habber, which would be excellent
[20:41] <Upu> o7
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[20:41] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:42] <eroomde> as if by magic
[20:42] <Lupus_sat> My friends and me was the first amateur startospheric balloon team in Belarus on the whole history. ^)
[20:42] <Lupus_sat> It was 5 years ago.
[20:43] <Upu> you have a private message Lupus
[20:43] <Upu> but I certainly ship to Belarus
[20:43] <Upu> anywhere bar North Korea tbh...
[20:44] <fsphil> I landed a payload in belarus
[20:44] <Lupus_sat> I found Arduino sketch for DominoEX , is anybody try to use it ifor balloons?
[20:44] <Upu> yes
[20:44] <fsphil> it's probably still there
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[20:45] <eroomde> yes dominoEX has been flown before with success - it's a good mode
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> but combine it with RSID to allow dl-fldigi to be able to track any frequency shifts!
[20:46] <craag> Can be a bit challenging to get the tone spacing right
[20:47] <craag> But works a treat at range
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> this day 80 years today, this happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explorer_II
[20:48] <Lupus_sat> Yes, I read http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DEX.htm
[20:48] <Lupus_sat> But what is RSID?
[20:49] <Lupus_sat> About dl-fldigi soft I know :)
[20:49] <craag> RSID is a mode identification data burst
[20:49] <craag> dl-fldigi will use it to autotune to the signal
[20:49] <craag> correcting any drift
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.w1hkj.com/RSID_description.html
[20:50] <craag> I think most people got dl-fldigi to play it for the correct mode, and then just copied it rather than trying to understand the spec
[20:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> needs to vbe sent 300-400mS before main transmssion to allow AFC to operate
[20:54] <Lupus_sat> Wow, very interesting information.
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[20:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Leo used it on several of his B-xx flights when not using APRS
[21:07] <SM0ULC-Reb> worked really great!
[21:12] <Lupus_sat> And what soft you can advise me to decode DominoEX? DL-Fldigi?
[21:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes, its the only program that uses the Distributed Listener system!
[21:14] <fsphil> *mostly
[21:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> True there is Dave's LoRa Gateway, but is there anything else ?
[21:15] <fsphil> the only one that does domex and dl certainly
[21:15] <fsphil> mattbrejza's android app
[21:18] <Lupus_sat> Sorry for so many questions, but at this room a lot of mans that launched balloons, so
[21:18] <Lupus_sat> this communication is very valuable to me. What antenna you use during telemetry receiving on ground stations? Yagi-Uda or Cross-Yagi? Do you use LNA or not? I have YAESU FT-817ND with 300 Hz CW filter, and want to use it to receive TLM.
[21:19] <eroomde> colinear antennas are popular here
[21:19] <eroomde> e.g. the watson w-50
[21:19] <eroomde> they obviously don;t need pointing
[21:19] <eroomde> an LNA helps but a good receiver like your yaesu probably doesn;t need it
[21:19] <eroomde> unless you're down a long length of coax
[21:20] <fsphil> I've used an ft817 many times. it's a good radio
[21:20] <Lupus_sat> OK. And what antenna on the balloon is the best ? :)
[21:21] <eroomde> a 1/4-wave with ground plane is popular here
[21:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pointing downwards ....
[21:21] <eroomde> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[21:21] <eroomde> lol yes
[21:23] <bertrik> oh, I've always wondered what "dl" in dl-fldigi stood for... :)
[21:24] <eroomde> distributed listener
[21:24] <fsphil> mostly just to make it more difficult to pronounce
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[21:24] <Lupus_sat> Yes, as I thought, with circle diagram in horizontale plane
[21:25] <eroomde> dee-ell-eff-ell-didjee
[21:25] <eroomde> however some people can go for some really creative things
[21:25] <eroomde> at the conference i think i heard der-fladjee-dadjee
[21:25] <eroomde> which sounds like a german techno band
[21:26] <chris_99> haha
[21:30] Action: fsphil just happen to be listening to some german techno
[21:30] <fsphil> as one does
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[21:31] <chris_99> what band out of interest?
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> Scooter?
[21:31] <chris_99> haha
[21:32] <fsphil> worse
[21:32] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbskLp9lK8
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> Does it have autotuned Hoff?
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[21:35] <fsphil> man that video is awful
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[21:39] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ZOVDgUWLE - on german techno
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[21:43] <fsphil> what
[21:59] <arjunnaha> Is this strong enough to use in flight? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BGCAA60?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> arjunnaha: yes
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> way overkill
[22:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:materials?s[]=cord#braided_nylon_cord
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> I would be surprised if that had a breaking strain of under 400kg
[22:00] <eroomde> ok peep show about to start
[22:00] <eroomde> everyone hush
[22:01] <arjunnaha> SpeedEvil: Better safe than sorry!
[22:01] <arjunnaha> Sorry eroomde ;-)
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> In general, dramatic structural overkill does nothing.
[22:05] <mbales> arjunnaha, are you in the US?
[22:05] <arjunnaha> arjunnaha: UK
[22:05] <mbales> ah
[22:08] <arjunnaha> mbales: Just out of interest, what made you think I was in the US? :)
[22:09] <mbales> was just curious, hadnt seen your name pop up here before
[22:12] <arjunnaha> I've been active for a few years, only recently been 'really' active as I have a launch coming up!
[22:13] <Ian_> What, you aren't an IRC resident mbales . . . ? :)
[22:13] <mbales> no that resident, haha
[22:15] <eroomde> the rent is quite reasonable
[22:15] <mbales> cant be much worse than where i am now
[22:15] <mbales> though finding a launch site might be trickier
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