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[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[09:03] <jcoxon> ping eroomde
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[10:16] <RokCapuder> HI - I havent used IRC since....a looong time ago. Im looking to contact the makers of the HABduino telemetry shield, can anyone reffer me?
[10:17] <Upu> hi RokCapuder
[10:17] <Upu> I'm here
[10:18] <Upu> though I do have to head into work shortly
[10:19] <fsphil> everyone returns to IRC. eventually. </fades to black>
[10:19] <RokCapuder> :9 it seem this way
[10:19] <RokCapuder> Im a pfysics teacher from Slovenia, but am also involved in some international projects that de with HAB
[10:20] <Upu> Nice place to do a launch from
[10:20] <Upu> some good scenery
[10:20] <RokCapuder> we are currently talking to the ministry of education in Chile, we want to make a project that would involve around 100 schools, and every school would build their own probe
[10:21] <RokCapuder> and we plan to launc them at the same time, through out Chile
[10:21] <Upu> ok...
[10:22] <RokCapuder> Im curretly writind a detailed timetable on the project, describing the materials we will be using etc etc , and since Ive had a good experience with HABduino, I was wondering if thre is way if we could use HABduino for the projet
[10:23] <RokCapuder> Im asking beacause we would need 100 pieces and perhaps some modifications on the code also
[10:23] <chris_99> if you launched a 100 balloons all with transmitters, wouldn't you get radio clashes
[10:23] <Upu> Well of course you can use it, is the question do you think its viable to have a 100 Habduinos in the air at once, or is it can I supply 100 Habduinos ?
[10:23] <Upu> logistically sounds like a nightmare
[10:23] <RokCapuder> both
[10:24] <Upu> supply wise I could do it but thats ALOT of Habduinos :)
[10:24] <RokCapuder> :) i know
[10:24] <Upu> We'd have to have a chat in private about it
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[10:24] <RokCapuder> we can talk through skype if thats more convinient to you
[10:24] <Upu> but in theory not a problem
[10:24] <Upu> they are all panelised anyway
[10:25] <Upu> but at the moment I make them by hand as I sell 1 a month tops
[10:25] <Upu> I possibly have other options
[10:25] <Upu> Hang on
[10:25] <Upu> were you planning on using APRS or 434Mhz ?
[10:25] <RokCapuder> the launchdate is more than 1 year form now, we would start with the project in april 2016
[10:26] <Upu> ah fine
[10:26] <gonzo_> you would need to find out what radio allocations are availoable to you in chilie (and what the habuino can cover). As you may have more radio spectrum avaiolable to you than we do in the UK. That may determin how mant balloons youj can fly at one time without ionterfeering with each other
[10:26] <RokCapuder> and launc in dec 2016 or jan 2017
[10:26] <Upu> that was my concern :)
[10:26] <gonzo_> (Didn't I say this to someone yesterday?)
[10:26] <Upu> So in theory yes I can supply 100
[10:27] <RokCapuder> that sounds great
[10:27] <Upu> if you're doing APRS 100 x https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/2015-04-13%2010.29.26.jpg would make more sense
[10:27] <Upu> (its basically a Habduino with the Arduino on it)
[10:28] <RokCapuder> the idea is for the students to learn arduino by connection several sensors and reading their outputs in real time
[10:29] <RokCapuder> I was also thinkinh that every school would have their own reciever
[10:29] <Upu> fine in that case Habduino it is
[10:29] <Upu> yes
[10:29] <Upu> well have a chat with the Airspy guys
[10:30] <Upu> I understand there is a cheaper dongle coming out which will be perfect for this
[10:30] <fsphil> 100 aprs flight at the same time would be a challange for the aprs network
[10:30] <fsphil> you'd also need to make sure each was launched by a licensed operator
[10:30] <Upu> heh
[10:30] <Upu> let them moan :)
[10:30] <fsphil> with their own callsign
[10:30] <Upu> so yeah happy to support this RokCapuder
[10:30] <fsphil> not enough SSID's for 100 flights :)
[10:30] <RokCapuder> :) great - if you have time, today in the evening, we can set up a skype call
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Get the kids to get their licences
[10:31] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE_: at 100 schools? :P
[10:31] <Upu> We can sort something out
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> why not
[10:31] <RokCapuder> upu - thanks for the support!
[10:31] <Darkside> APRS with 100 balloons in teh air will just not work
[10:31] <Darkside> well
[10:31] <fsphil> I'm assuming Chille allows amateur radio from the air
[10:31] <Darkside> only if you timeslotted them
[10:31] <RokCapuder> great to meet you
[10:31] <Upu> right I'm off to work
[10:31] <craag> 434 would be far easier on that scale
[10:31] <fsphil> -l
[10:31] <Upu> laters
[10:31] <gonzo_> getting thousands of kids building kit and using radio..... Yep they will moan.
[10:31] <Darkside> and again, it would need to be timeslotted
[10:31] <Darkside> else you will get collisions all over the place
[10:32] <RokCapuder> upu - can you give me your email or something so I can contact you directly?
[10:32] <Upu> send in PM
[10:32] <RokCapuder> its been a while since I used IRC :)
[10:32] <craag> welcome back to the future ;)
[10:32] <Upu> web client ?
[10:32] <RokCapuder> have no idea how to do it
[10:33] <Upu> cool
[10:33] <RokCapuder> OK Ok its slowly all comming back to me
[10:33] <Upu> right afk
[10:33] <RokCapuder> bye guys
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[10:34] <gonzo_> if the balloons don't get too high in altitude, then their ranges will be limited. AThat may help avoid some collisions? Assuming they are scattered over the 1500km of the country
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[10:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Some could be launching from quite high to start with!
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[12:01] <Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/MkECGZO.jpg
[12:10] <darsie> What's that?
[12:13] <Laurenceb> #highaltitude space program
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[12:15] <lz1dev> #ultrahighaltitude
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[12:16] <lz1dev> or perhaps #nothighenoughaltitude
[12:42] <Chimpusmaximus> I see John Lewis has broken the records for a HAB
[12:42] <chris_99> oh?
[12:43] <Chimpusmaximus> Latest Xmas ad has them getting a balloon to the moon
[12:43] <chris_99> ah heh cool
[12:43] <Chimpusmaximus> https://youtu.be/wuz2ILq4UeA
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[13:12] <adamgreig> hey richardeoin, did you ever consider using an stm32f0 on the bmp boards?
[13:12] <adamgreig> cheaper, smaller packages available, don't need any external usb resistors...
[13:17] <mattbrejza> they have less ram and clock speed though
[13:17] <mattbrejza> unsure how much of that is important
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ3PJN-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ3PJN-11
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[16:14] <FuzzyLemon> hi. I'm trying to test this new payload called scorpion and all attempts to parse have failed. Do I need my payload ID approved?
[16:14] <FuzzyLemon> Doc ID: b9bbfb504f616a830ce20fbee997b4b4
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[16:16] <craag> FuzzyLemon: That payload doc is for callsign HABDUINO
[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCORPION - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCORPION
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[17:12] <Matt_PrjHet> Evenin' stupid question I'm sure... Why wont my dl-fldigi pick up an old payload configuration? When I do signal browser, I see my payload config. But in the main window, all i'm getting is symbols. When I hit autoconfigure, it doesn't seem to bring anything up.
[17:13] <craag> You need to go into the settings -> DL -> Payload Docs to select a doc that doesn't have an active flight window
[17:14] <craag> or similar names, don't have it installed on this machine
[17:15] <Matt_PrjHet> Configure>DL Client>All Payloads (testing)>[My name, PrjHet]>Autoconfigure
[17:16] <Matt_PrjHet> But nada
[17:17] <Matt_PrjHet> I can see the correct strings in signal browser, and a green bar on the right of the front page.
[17:17] <craag> Could you upload a screenshot?
[17:18] <Matt_PrjHet> It's like I've selected an incorrect codec somewhere...
[17:18] <craag> of the signal browser and green bar?
[17:18] <craag> so correct strings, green bar, but nothing on map is the problem?
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Works OK here on your old documents switching between 300 and 50 baud on various flights
[17:20] <craag> gtg
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[17:21] <Matt_PrjHet> OK, cheers craag. Uploading printscreen shortly anyway!
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:22] <Matt_PrjHet> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rchhg83bb764hqi/Symbols.jpg?dl=0
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[17:24] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Try between the PrjHeT and the PI_SKY ones then it switches between 50 and 300 Baud quite happily on mine here
[17:25] <Matt_PrjHet> Hey Geoff, yeah, I think it must be something i'm doing with my local version of dl-fldigi
[17:25] <fsphil> autoconfigure will work, but for non-active documents it won't show the name in the top left
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[17:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Try the SAMTEST ones above your they are 50Baud not 300Baud
[17:26] <fsphil> in dl-fldigi, can you change RTTY to USB
[17:27] <fsphil> just next to where the digits 4.664 are
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[17:27] <fsphil> fldigi's terribly confusingly named "RTTY" mode is actually LSB
[17:27] <Matt_PrjHet> Boom!
[17:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> good one
[17:28] <fsphil> if we do a new release, must remember to remove it
[17:28] <Matt_PrjHet> This is why I tell everyone this is like a hotline to the Gods of HAB
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[17:30] <Matt_PrjHet> Thank you gents. Print screening to remind myself in future!
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[18:11] <richardeoin> adamgreig: I wanted to keep software compatibility, so didn't even consider changing mcu
[18:11] <adamgreig> fair
[18:12] <richardeoin> Gareth made it nice and modular though, would only require a new folder in src/platforms
[18:12] <adamgreig> yea
[18:12] <adamgreig> sadly the current folder is src/platforms/native and src/platforms/stm32
[18:12] <adamgreig> but the f0 has a different usb peripheral so...
[18:12] <adamgreig> wouldn't be too bad though I imagine, and looks like the f0 has enough flash+ram
[18:12] <adamgreig> just a question of clock speed and porting the bits that are different
[18:13] <adamgreig> the f0 has identical footprint to the f1 though
[18:13] <adamgreig> so I think one could just stick an f0 on the same PCB, jump the USB resistors, don't fit the USB pullup or VBUS divider, and then try to get the firmware working
[18:13] <richardeoin> The cheapness would be great
[18:13] <adamgreig> yea
[18:13] <richardeoin> I do resent paying 5 gbp for a mcu
[18:13] <adamgreig> I kinda want to make it cheap enough to put on the target
[18:14] <adamgreig> for large PCBs anyway
[18:14] <richardeoin> I have a few empty boards here, could grab an f0 and try it
[18:14] <adamgreig> obviously stupid on small hab trackers
[18:14] <adamgreig> but on bigger PCBs, you could do it with the very small QFN F0s
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[18:14] <adamgreig> and just need the STM32F0 and the USB connector and not really anything else
[18:14] <richardeoin> I put the source for my adj reg version up btw https://github.com/richardeoin/blackmagic-volt
[18:14] <adamgreig> ah cool
[18:16] <mattbrejza> you could probably trim down on the 68k flash if you strip out the jtag stuff?
[18:16] <adamgreig> quite possibly yea
[18:16] <adamgreig> but the f0cbt6 already has 128k flash
[18:16] <adamgreig> and is £2.50
[18:17] <adamgreig> guess you can get even cheaper with less flash and ram
[18:17] <adamgreig> getting it inside 64k flash should be easy enough I guess
[18:17] <mattbrejza> is it the f042 that has usb in a 20 pin package...
[18:17] <richardeoin> I can't claim to have ever used the jtag-ness
[18:17] <adamgreig> 20 pin tssop though is huge physically?
[18:17] <adamgreig> same
[18:17] <adamgreig> jtag seems a lot more faff than swd
[18:17] <adamgreig> but swd is still the jtag logical protocol, just with a different physical layer
[18:17] <adamgreig> so not sure how much you can remove
[18:17] <mattbrejza> 20pin tssop is smaller than 48pin thingy
[18:18] <adamgreig> (and you cannot daisychain swd, only jtag, which might be important for some people)
[18:18] <mattbrejza> i guess 32QFN is smallest
[18:18] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: yea, the 32qfn is what i'd go for
[18:18] <adamgreig> also easiest to solder i think
[18:18] <adamgreig> compared to tssop or lqfp
[18:18] <richardeoin> if you're onboarding it you can ditch support for all other targets
[18:18] <mattbrejza> 2469549 is £1.34
[18:18] <adamgreig> yep
[18:18] <mattbrejza> when they get stock...
[18:19] <mattbrejza> if you can get the code down to 32kb
[18:19] <adamgreig> that might be harder
[18:20] <adamgreig> hometime, bbl
[18:21] <mattbrejza> dont suppose you can #define out support for targets...
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[18:24] <richardeoin> don't think those exist, you'd want to add them in src/cortexm.c mattbrejza
[18:25] <mattbrejza> ok
[18:27] <mattbrejza> each of the platform.c files compile to about 2k for starters
[18:28] <mattbrejza> putting it in a 32k device is probably not gonna happen though
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[21:38] <fsphil> http://services.swpc.noaa.gov/images/animations/ovation-north/latest.png
[21:38] <fsphil> looking good
[21:40] <Upu> sadly the weather isn't
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> :(
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[22:03] <fsphil> clear here but no aurora visible
[22:05] <Upu> I'll go walk the dog in a mo and see
[22:05] <Upu> but bet its cloudy
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/aurora-30-minute-forecast
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[22:27] <Upu> nothing seen
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> http://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> is perhaps more useful for the UK, specifically england
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> it will email you on magnetic anomalies
[22:32] <russss> http://www.auroramap.co.uk/ is cool too
[22:33] <russss> hmm, it used to show tweets but it's not doing that at the moment
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[23:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
[23:42] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cookstown/ -- so, scotland then
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> Friday 2PM gets to within 5 miles
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> 9of me)
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[23:51] <fsphil> yeah bit of a brief excursion up your way
[23:51] <fsphil> big change after that
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