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[00:33] <Laurenceb_> ooh nice http://www.materflow.com/files/Material%20Data.pdf
[00:34] <Laurenceb_> page 12: now I can have SLS nylon surgically implanted
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[00:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[02:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARS-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARS-2
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[03:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARS-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARS-3
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[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KZN-HAB1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KZN-HAB1
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[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kzn-hunter_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kzn-hunter_chase
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[13:01] <chris_99> this is interesting http://www.damninteresting.com/faxes-from-the-far-side/#read-more
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[13:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03miaou_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=miaou_chase
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03jjjjjjjjjk_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=jjjjjjjjjk_chase
[13:19] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Erster Flug der KZN 10(346b)
[13:19] <pb0ahx> !dial 346b
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03KZN Box1 10(346b): 03434.08623 MHz
[13:36] <pb0ahx> $$$$$KZN-HAB1,439,13:3%3547.693968,8.90330,nV!0,0,-4026,2728,00*D2
[13:36] <pb0ahx> red
[13:37] <fsphil> 8-bit crc?
[13:37] <pb0ahx> 7n2
[13:37] <fsphil> the checksum I mean
[13:37] <pb0ahx> yep
[13:38] <fsphil> unusual. I'd though that would be extinct by now
[13:43] <pb0ahx> only red red red red mmmm:(
[13:43] <pb0ahx> every time i mist 1 grgrgrgr
[13:46] <pb0ahx> $$$$$KZN-HAB1,475,13:44:50,47.685667,9.058y36,9502,11,8,-31,16,2725,00*FCA6
[13:46] <pb0ahx> L$$$%JR-HAB5l466,13:45:05,47.6(019,9X6526,29606,10,0,-31,16,2725,00*1B4
[13:46] <pb0ahx> $$$$$KZN-HAB1,47w,13:45:20,67.606443,9.073983,29735,12,0,-31,16,2726,00*29B3
[13:46] <pb0ahx> $$$$$KZN-HAB1,478,13:45:35,47.686249,9.080097,29840,11,0l-3l15.274,00*06DF
[13:46] <pb0ahx> $$$$$KZN-HAB1,479,13:45:55,4.6(46,9.086367,2993,11,0,-30,15,024,00*F6FZ'g
[13:47] <fsphil> oh there we go, that is a 16-bit crc
[13:48] <gonzo_> error in the layload doc?
[13:49] <fsphil> nah, just that first line pasted only has two digits
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[14:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_T2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_T2
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[16:17] <michal_f> hi
[16:17] <eroomde> greetings
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[16:46] <stilldavid> can someone confirm real quick the PITS default APRS path?
[16:46] <stilldavid> WIDE2-1 ?
[16:47] <UpuWork> think so we are making it selectable
[16:47] <stilldavid> okay, cool.
[16:47] <lz1dev> WIDE9-9 :D
[16:47] <UpuWork> we follow these recommendations http://www.arhab.org/aprs
[16:47] <fsphil> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/blob/master/tracker/aprs.c#L330
[16:47] <UpuWork> but someone logged a issue they felt this was abusive
[16:47] <stilldavid> ah, thanks fsphil
[16:48] <UpuWork> but as there is no official guidance we are going to leave it up to the end user
[16:48] <UpuWork> possibly switch it based on altitude
[16:48] <UpuWork> cheers fsphil was looking for that
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
[16:49] <UpuWork> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/issues/9
[16:49] <fsphil> might be fun to alternate between them, during flight
[16:49] <fsphil> see which works better :)
[16:49] <fsphil> i suspect having no path would work just as well
[16:49] <fsphil> while in flight at least
[16:49] <mattbrejza> judge it by complaints:packets ratio
[16:57] <daveake> It's a good job that the APRS infrastructure isn't used to relay complaints about use of the APRS infrastructure
[16:59] <eroomde> it does seem to be A Pain in the RS
[16:59] <daveake> :)
[16:59] <mfa298> daveake: maybe you should try that, you never know it could cause APRS to implode
[17:00] <daveake> re PITS APRS, it'll have the same changes as I've just made to my AVR code ... configurable altitude-controlled path, optional telemetry packets, and a couple of other things
[17:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BGE_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGE_chase
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[17:03] <fsphil> nah, if aprs implodes they'll take to IRC
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[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03bcv248_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=bcv248_chase
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ea3gts_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ea3gts_chase
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[18:44] <lunarmobile> Hello once more
[18:45] <fsphil> o/
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[19:34] <cambazz> hello, are you aware that there is a military blimp loose over usa
[19:35] <cambazz> its like a spy blimb, with a belly like antenna under it
[19:35] <craag> that's shorting out power lines
[19:35] <craag> yep
[19:36] <lunarmobile> Oh
[19:36] <craag> luckily it's PA
[19:36] <lunarmobile> Like that project in ww2
[19:36] <DL1SGP> nabend kevin
[19:36] <craag> so nearly no-one to notice ;)
[19:36] <lunarmobile> Hi dl1sgp
[19:37] <cambazz> appearenty it was for norad use, but some people are saying that it can also track cars and boats, and some are joking, because they literally lost the blimp. it flew off.
[19:38] <lunarmobile> Does it have drives?
[19:38] <cambazz> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbMpc8WIAAR1zF.jpg:large
[19:38] <DL1SGP> it has legs!
[19:39] <lunarmobile> RealUFO xD
[19:39] <cambazz> mass surveillence
[19:40] <fsphil> they need a flight doc
[19:40] <DL1SGP> indeed
[19:41] <DL1SGP> no flightdoc and they be doomed by the mighty goats of habnightmares
[19:41] <fsphil> tis but a pico
[19:42] <fsphil> 3000kg apparently
[19:42] <cambazz> what is a flight doc
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[19:42] <fsphil> a document needed to be tracked on the tracker.habhub.org page :)
[19:43] <cambazz> ah, :) yes.
[19:43] <cambazz> it is a really nice blimp with all the technnologies on it how can they loose it?
[19:43] <lunarmobile> Cable failure?
[19:43] <cambazz> it probably flew away without being turned on
[19:44] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiwkHLM1Ipc -- these guys are probably feeling better now
[19:44] <chris_99> heh, do you have more info on this blimp cambazz?
[19:44] <Ian_> A veritable compendium of the most likely causes for HAB fail :) NORAD probably didn't read the wiki or daveakerman's page on the subject
[19:45] <Ian_> I notice that amel isn't logged in, maybe he is off chasing it down!
[19:47] <russss> it's one of these. http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/jlens/
[19:47] <russss> apparently it landed now
[19:48] <russss> and technically an aerostat rather than a blimp, at least until the cable snapped :P
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[19:49] <chris_99> what's the difference out of interest? they call it a blimp on that site
[19:51] <russss> I think "aerostat" is commonly used in commercial/military circles to refer to a tethered balloon.
[19:52] <chris_99> oh it was tethered? what was it used for
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> cambazz: it crashed
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: JLENS
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: they put about 100 gopros on it for 160 million dollars
[19:52] <chris_99> haha
[19:52] <fsphil> seems to be a spying thing
[19:53] <chris_99> wow fancy it can detect cruise missiles
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> And other manifestations of scientology
[19:53] <chris_99> heh
[19:55] <russss> yeah it has some nifty radar on it
[19:55] <russss> it's intended to replace AWACS in some situations
[19:56] <chris_99> it'd be even cooler if it could fly around itself
[19:57] <fsphil> it already can
[19:57] <chris_99> oh, i thought it was tethered
[19:57] <lunarmobile> Ohhh and then it looks into your window
[19:57] <fsphil> it wasn't intentional :)
[19:57] <chris_99> haha
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: so they say
[20:02] <chris_99> 'Local Baltimore television stations reported that the blimp had been lassoed and brought down to the ground around 3:20 pm.' i'm curious how one lassos a blimp
[20:03] <russss> perhaps they caught the trailing tether somehow
[20:03] <russss> I heard they'd sent some F-16s after it
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[20:06] <fsphil> would like to think they had a plan for this
[20:06] <lunarmobile> Like on the Stratoscope 2 balloon when it drifted off the coast of Florida due to valve failure
[20:08] <Ian_> Harpoon and tow it, then put a big patch on the damage.
[20:09] <Ian_> Spiderman could swing in and connect to the tethers from there on in.
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> 'you said harpoon it, I did, and the harpoon successfully destroyed the target'
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpoon_%28missile%29
[20:18] <Ian_> That would be McDD/Boeing v Raytheon so undoubtedly be put down as an unfortunate accident after a rescue attempt in good faith :)
[20:18] <Ian_> Spiderman is known to frequent McD for lunch!
[20:19] <RealBorg> I wonder if FAA should care more about military drones than civilian ones
[20:21] <RealBorg> and I imagine a cowboy flying a f16 and catching the jlens with a lasso
[20:22] <Ian_> With his senses heightened by speed.
[20:32] <lunarmobile> Where did it land btw?
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> A tree.
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> (i don't actually know)
[20:33] <lunarmobile> Az
[20:33] <lunarmobile> Ah
[20:33] <russss> https://twitter.com/NoradNorthcom/status/659466087386513408
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> 'The area is secured and a military recovery team is enroute.
[20:34] Action: SpeedEvil cues the A-team music.
[20:34] <lunarmobile> :D
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> 'two parts' - I wonder if both bits have been recovered
[20:37] Action: fsphil cues X-files music
[20:38] Action: RealBorg np https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOEe1uzurKo
[20:38] <fsphil> new series of that looking quite good
[20:40] <fsphil> good old jack o'niell
[20:40] <fsphil> e<>i
[20:41] <RealBorg> mygyver brought down jlens with bubble gum and a fishing rope ;)
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[21:49] <chris_99> http://www.ianww.com/blog/2015/07/17/sending-a-potato-to-near-space/ (alas not via a potato canon)
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: is it using a distilled vodka rocket?
[21:53] <chris_99> haha
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> I guess you could also use biogenic methane
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[21:57] <chris_99> i wonder if you could use potato mash as part of a hybrid rocket
[21:58] <eroomde> probably
[21:58] <eroomde> it's carby
[21:59] <lunarmobile> On mythbusters they once tried salami
[21:59] <chris_99> on a uk proggy they used toffee i think it was, on a rocket sled
[22:00] <eroomde> toffee would definitely work
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> Potato wouldn't work simply
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> If you use it as a matrix for fat, it may work quite well indeed
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> freeze-dry, and then add a wax of some sort
[22:01] <fsphil> it won't be the first potatoe flown on a balloon
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> Well - not freeze drying, aerogel-drying
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> err - what's the term for that
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> supercritical drying. That's the puppy.
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[22:47] <Laurenceb_> I'm wondering if these Klima rockets use some sort of sugar
[22:48] <lunarmobile> Hm
[22:48] <lunarmobile> Germany btw is quite strict on model rockets
[22:48] <lunarmobile> Anything bigger than motor D requires an explosives license
[22:55] <RealBorg> if wernher von braun was living today, he would probably leave the country
[22:55] <lunarmobile> Yea
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[23:09] <Laurenceb_> one way to test, taste the propellant
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> I'm not going to try that one
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[23:25] <gonzo_> http://www.wgal.com/news/have-you-seen-it-unmanned-balloon-floats-over-susquehanna-valley/36097688?utm_campaign=FBPAGE&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social
[23:37] <Ian_> So, was the tether metallic or a dyneema cable. I ask because of the number of power outages associated
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