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[00:12] <mbales> oh yes
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[00:28] <Laurenceb_> why does this https://www.facebook.com/uclcdb
[00:30] <Laurenceb_> remind me of this http://screenagers.me/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chestswell.jpg
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[01:07] Action: SpeedEvil imagines launching into patricia.
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[02:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NM5SS-10 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-10
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[04:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[05:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL7AD-12 after 036 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-12
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[07:15] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:15] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
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[07:34] <SA6BSS> Grimeton on air today, warmup starts @ 9,30 utc
[07:36] <SA6BSS> DL7AD: nice alt on the balloon, will be interesting to follow!
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[11:00] <TT7> Hello everybody, is it possible to export telemetry of the aprs flights? I can't seem to be able to find DL7AD on habitat
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[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Don't think APRS flight data hits Habitat, its imported direct into SNUS and displayed.
[11:03] <craag> yep
[11:06] <TT7> ok, i see
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[11:34] <M0XIN> Is CCC INVICTUS still launching today?
[11:34] <craag> !flights
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: There are no flights currently :(
[11:35] <craag> Ah was that the one with no valid docs?
[11:35] <craag> yes it was.
[11:35] <M0XIN> Yep
[11:35] <craag> haven't heard that it isn't, but someone will have to make a valid payload doc for them
[11:35] <craag> for it to appear on the map
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[13:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-3 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-3
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03k1amo_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=k1amo_chase
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[13:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PennyB_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PennyB_chase
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[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1AM0_LEAD_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1AM0_LEAD_chase
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[14:22] <eroomde> any recommendations for the best very cheap burner phones (with decent signal and battery life) for trips abroad etc?
[14:25] <eroomde> nvm, took a punt on a nokia 105
[14:25] <eroomde> month of standby
[14:29] <russss> yeah nokia 105 is good
[14:35] <eroomde> so cheap i might buy another to take apart
[14:35] <eroomde> see if there's a serial port in there somewhere
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[14:44] <michal_f> hi
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> Fun fact - SIMs can be rooted.
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjx8B-hJtXI
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> of course - it's been fixed now.
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Or at least that vuln
[14:48] <eroomde> i wasn't so much into reverse engineering as just finding a serial port
[14:49] <eroomde> cheapo hab backup and gsm node
[14:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7INH - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7INH
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> someone should do a GSM control channel bitgrabber
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> actually that shouldnt be too hard in gnu radio
[15:00] <Laurenceb_> grab all the text messages :P
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CMAKER - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CMAKER
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[15:05] <chris_99> you've gotta decrypt them first though
[15:05] <chris_99> although the rainbow tables are on torrents iirc
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> control channel is unencrypted
[15:06] <Laurenceb_> anyone can read your texts
[15:06] <chris_99> are you sure about that
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> well texts werent part of the original GSM spec, SMS is a hack added later
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> also you can get other info from the control channel, e.g. see who is operating in the cell
[15:09] <chris_99> 'the group expected to be able to record any GSM call or SMS encrypted with A5/1, and within about 35 minutes derive the encryption key and hence listen to the call and read the SMS in clear. ' makes it sound like there are encrypted
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> dunno then, I was reading about early SMS implementations, dunno if its been updates since then
[15:11] <chris_99> ' In the GSM, only the airway traffic between the Mobile Station (MS) and the Base Transceiver Station (BTS) is optionally encrypted with a weak and broken stream cipher (A5/1 or A5/2).' maybe it's optional
[15:11] <chris_99> that's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Message_Service
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: err - no
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: Entirely differenet vuln
[15:19] <chris_99> what?
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: this was cracking the JVM on the SIM due to shitty JVM
[15:19] <chris_99> i'm not talking about the SIM thing
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I misread the context
[15:19] <chris_99> im talking about kraken
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[15:20] <chris_99> people have picked up GSM with rtlsdr which is pretty cool
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> I have a phone which has the complete docs for the GSM chipset leaked
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> which is nice
[15:23] <chris_99> oh is it the motor
[15:23] <chris_99> *moto
[15:23] <chris_99> one
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Including complete programming info
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> no.
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> Ti Calypso.
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> Specifically the openmoko
[15:24] <chris_99> ah cool
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[15:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TENPARTS3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TENPARTS3
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[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7QO-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-8
[15:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TENPARTS1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TENPARTS1
[15:44] <wb8elk> My Skytracker 2 pico balloon with solar-powered APRS transmitter is still flying. Came back to life after sunrise today. Quite an exciting launch with a minute spent snagged on the power lines during takeoff in high surface winds.
[15:44] <wb8elk> wb8elk-3 on APRS and also showing up on Habhub map.
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[15:53] <BenaRPi> Anyone know when Tenparts1/3 are going up?
[15:57] <craag> Was that the one meant to be at 3pm?
[15:57] <craag> CCC Invictus?
[15:58] <craag> No sign of any telem being uploaded from them
[16:03] <BenaRPi> not sure - can't see anything happeing with it or any calendar entry
[16:04] <craag> They didn't create a flight doc
[16:04] <craag> so it won't be on the calendar
[16:04] <BenaRPi> Ok thanks
[16:04] <craag> (this was raised in a reply to their announcement)
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[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE5AA-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5AA-12
[16:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE5AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5AA-11
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[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0FUL-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0FUL-12
[17:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0FUL-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0FUL-11
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[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[18:31] <fiftydollarsat> I have submitted a payload config and flight document for this cominf Sunday morning. Test uploads into parser logtail are OK. Anynone around to approve this ?
[18:32] <craag> fiftydollarsat post the flight doc id and someone will approve when they drop by
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag :)
[18:32] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander !
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[18:33] <craag> yurty
[18:33] <craag> :D
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> oh :)
[18:33] <craag> you?
[18:33] <fiftydollarsat> Flight ID is TENPARTS1
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK thanks :)
[18:33] <craag> fiftydollarsat: the long doc id string
[18:34] <craag> hex string that it gave you when you created the doc
[18:37] <craag> 699888ba271d05a51a6a513cb6e96d92
[18:37] <craag> hmm not that then
[18:37] <craag> ah wrong chan...
[18:38] <craag> fiftydollarsat: I've posted the doc id in #habhub
[18:38] <craag> waiting for an admin..
[18:38] <craag> (#habhub is the channel to ask in)
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[18:40] <DavidLancs> Hello.
[18:40] <DavidLancs> Anyone online?
[18:40] <craag> on the line
[18:40] <craag> (yes)
[18:41] <DavidLancs> Evening. Getting interested in this HAB - just wanted to ask a couple of newbie questions
[18:41] <craag> You're in the right place! shoot.
[18:41] <DavidLancs> First of all, Pi or Arduino?
[18:41] <craag> Depends what you're trying to do
[18:42] <DavidLancs> Nothing fancy. I want to get something up, take some pics, and get back again.
[18:42] <DavidLancs> I have read about the Pi in the Sky boards, and the Habuino boards? Or should I build my own?
[18:42] <craag> So just for dealing with gps and transmitting co-ordinates, an arduino or other microprocessor is easily capable ;)
[18:42] <craag> *:)
[18:44] <DavidLancs> I'm leaning towards the Pi as I can integrate the Pi camera easily I think
[18:44] <craag> That's fair enough
[18:44] <craag> Although if you're just after the Pi to capture pics, there are better alternatives.
[18:45] <craag> We often use old canons off ebay for the same price or cheaper.
[18:45] <DavidLancs> But.... not sure of the level of programming required to drive the camera, the gps and the radio transmitter functions.
[18:46] <craag> so there is an existing project for this
[18:46] <craag> pi in the sky
[18:46] <DavidLancs> I'm guessing the canon is actuallu just standalone and not integrated into the electonics at all?
[18:46] <craag> yeah
[18:46] <craag> so the group I'm involved in does arduino trackers, and then seperate cameras
[18:47] <DavidLancs> That sounds do'able :-)
[18:47] <craag> As the critical bit is the tracker
[18:47] <DavidLancs> what sort of canon would i be needing?
[18:47] <craag> If you can get one that takes AAs
[18:47] <DavidLancs> yeah, i've started to read about tracking
[18:47] <craag> you can use the energizer ultimate lithium which cope with the cold
[18:48] <fiftydollarsat> I dont recall being given a flight doc ID as such, I can see a long string of hex it on the habitat genpyload screen, but it wont easily cut and paste.
[18:49] <DavidLancs> so, you just start it going on launch and let it do it's thing for the entire flight?
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[18:49] <craag> fiftydollarsat: Join #habhub, I've posted it in there
[18:49] <craag> DavidLancs: exactly
[18:49] <craag> With the canon's you can use CHDK firmware, and run a script
[18:50] <craag> that takes a pic every n seconds, sets the focus, turns the back display off to sve battery, etc
[18:50] <fiftydollarsat> Ah, need to be real careful with the cursor, I suspec the flight doc ID is 699888ba271d05a51a6a513cb6e7f4f8 ?
[18:50] <craag> fiftydollarsat: Post it in #habhub and the bot will tell you
[18:50] <DavidLancs> ah right. nice one. I'll have a look on ebay
[18:52] <DavidLancs> So, just to confirm than - the arduino just does gps and transmission?
[18:52] <craag> Yeah
[18:52] <craag> keeps the programming simple as possible
[18:52] <DavidLancs> that sounds like a much simpler
[18:52] <craag> less things to go wrong
[18:53] <DavidLancs> Simple is good. Let me read some more on that new direction of attack. I may well ask a raft more very newbie questions on here.
[18:53] <DavidLancs> Is this IRC pretty active?
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:54] <craag> Mostly during uk waking hours
[18:54] <DavidLancs> Excellent. Yup, I'm UK.
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[18:54] <craag> Thought you might be from the nick ;)
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[18:54] <DavidLancs> lol. indeed
[18:55] <DavidLancs> Thanks for the info - off to search ebay. Cheers - and Ill see you around maybe.
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[20:57] <michal_f> !flights
[20:57] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: There are no flights currently :(
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> calling rockety people
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> is it worth sending an email round the EARS or UKRA emailing lists?
[21:14] <Laurenceb_> I'm looking for advice on igniters
[21:20] <eroomde> dunno
[21:20] <eroomde> have you called malcolm jennings?
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> yeah, already tried him
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> Rebel space have N28F
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> dunno if thats slow enough to ignite motors, might be worth a shot
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[21:41] <michal_f> !flights
[21:41] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: There are no flights currently :(
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[21:45] <kim27> anyone around from the US?
[21:47] <kim27> I began designing my system to do a balloon launch, and I just realized that the ISM band 433.920 MHz is only Region 1. I've noticed in my reading the US operators tend to use Ham Frequencies. I was wondering what rules that falls under, or what altitude is considered a satellite?
[21:48] <mfa298> I think a lot of US people use APRS which requires a Ham License (although you may only need the lowest level which may not be too hard to get)
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yu we only use the ISM band in UK as th UK Amateur Radio licence prevents us using Aeronautical Mobile, but its allowed in the ISM band ;-)
[21:49] <mfa298> I'm UK based so don't know the details of US licensing
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Otherwise we would probably have used APRS as used in the Staes but you need an Amateur Radio licence of course.
[21:50] <kim27> I do have an Amateur Radio license, I just never really paid attention to satellite operation or the details of how high I could put something in the sky...
[21:51] <kim27> didn't seem relevant at the time.
[21:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Balloons don't come under satellite operation as there not in orbit or in space for that matter!
[21:52] <mfa298> I think it's unlikely that a balloon will ever reach satellite territory. The highest amateur balloon record is around 46km
[21:52] <kim27> the other part I wonder is if I would get hate mail for using 433.920 Mhz in the states.
[21:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not sure what its allocated for in US.
[21:53] <kim27> if so I might need to get some new radio equipment
[21:53] <kim27> http://www.arrl.org/band-plan
[21:53] <kim27> 433.00-435.00 Auxiliary/repeater links
[21:54] <mfa298> there's a range of balloons using aprs already.
[21:55] <kim27> Geoff-G8DHE, thanks for the feedback, I just want to make sure I'm not breaking some non-obvious rule
[21:55] <mfa298> I think some people may have had odd complaints, but I think that's more the people complaining not liking aprs being used for something useful and interesting rather than genuine issues
[21:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you stick to using low power 10mW unlikely to annoy anyone on 433.92 then
[21:55] <kim27> hmm, I think I'll give it a try then
[21:56] <kim27> of course, if my balloon doesn't go far I don't think anyone will notice
[21:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> they are only guidelines
[21:57] <mfa298> there's nothing to stop you using the UKHAS standard as an aitborne station if allowed by your license terms. (UK has to use the ISM band as our license doesn't allow airborne use - as I think Geoff-G8DHE already stated)
[21:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> What you will be missing of course is the Distributed Listenet element as not many people geared up in the States to listen as we have over here of course
[21:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> listener
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[21:59] <kim27> fair enough
[21:59] <kim27> but where I am at I don't think it matters either way
[22:00] <mfa298> if you wanted to go for 433MHz you might find other Local Hams might be interested - I think a couple of US Hams have used the UKHAS method (possibly alongside APRS)
[22:01] <mfa298> even though we can't use Ham radio for balloons in the UK, a large proportion of use are licensed, with about half being licensed before getting into balloons (at times there's more balloon activity on 70cms ISM, than Amateur radio use!)
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[22:07] <kim27> nice
[22:08] <kim27> well, I live in a county with only 178 Amateur Radio operators in it, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a single repeater in my county either. I've never heard anyone on the 2 meter or 70 cm band since moving here...
[22:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is the answer then, fly one on a balloon!
[22:10] <michal_f> !flights
[22:10] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03ARY1 10(db95)
[22:12] <mfa298> definetly sounds like a good reason to do something interesting on a balloon and see if you can maybe see if you can get some of the other local amateurs involded in listening out for it
[22:14] <kim27> (1) Within 50 km of the Earth's surface and at a place where the amateur service is regulated by the FCC;
[22:14] <kim27> heh, found it
[22:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ARY1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARY1
[22:24] <kc2pit> kim27: I think the 432.40-433.0MHz "mixed-mode and weak signal" segment would be fine for a low-power RTTY tracker, if you want to use UK hardware designs meant for 433.92.
[22:24] <kim27> I think I was hoping to use a morse code system for my first go at it
[22:26] <kim27> but I don't think the 10 mW is going to be a big deal in my geographical area
[22:27] <kim27> This is what I was planning on using for the radio
[22:27] <kim27> http://www.ebay.com/itm/201108260404
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ugh, they really don't work well and drift something orrible!
[22:28] <kc2pit> Oof.
[22:28] <kim27> Geoff-G8DHE, previous experience?
[22:28] <kc2pit> I don't even know if that thing's freqency is stable enough to take advantage of CW.
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Several have tried few and basically got no where
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[22:29] <kim27> did any launch with it, or did the never make it off the ground?
[22:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> they are intended for close range applications not something cooling down to maybe -20 to -30 C
[22:31] <kc2pit> You can usually use much, much fancier transceivers like http://www.ebay.com/itm/310884417600 as dumb morse code transmitters. Cheap modules like that may not have the most temperature-stable crystals either, though. Building your own isn't actually that hard.
[22:33] <kim27> hmm, maybe I'll have to ditch the module. I think I'll try some field testing first to see
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is a lot of use of the LoRa modules RFM98 type over here at present and also now VK land
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> there giving excellent results
[22:34] <kc2pit> I've been getting interested in those.
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.daveakerman.com/?s=lora
[22:35] <kc2pit> Also, thanks to US amateur regs, strapping a big ol' PA to one and seeing what 33dBm of LoRa can do.
[22:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyway night all AFK
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