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[04:46] <SM0ULC> DK0PT-11
[04:46] <SM0ULC> still alive and well on the ground?
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[05:16] <mbales> anyone have any ideas on getting a max m8q to acquire lock faster?
[05:16] <mbales> seems like sometimes my board takes a half hour or more to acquire a lock, other times its 5 minutes
[05:28] <mbales> is that just how it is and I should move on or is there a fix?
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[06:04] <Vaizki_> mbales, no that's not how it is :O
[06:04] <mbales> yeah had a quick conversation with upu about it
[06:04] <mbales> thanks for the follow up though
[06:05] <mbales> there may be some minor design issues that arent helping though
[06:05] <Vaizki_> so now you know all about ephemeris & alamanc data, cold start, start while moving and optional memory or battery for the m8q? :)
[06:06] <mbales> haha
[06:07] <mbales> i was vaguely aware but now more familiar
[06:07] <Vaizki_> anyway, half an hour is too long even for a cold start with no idea of date or tod
[06:07] <Vaizki_> unless you are only getting 3 birds or something
[06:08] <mbales> yeah, seems a bit odd, they were able to get 9 with another gps so I think my design flaws are causing a reception issue
[06:10] <Vaizki_> that said I have had cold starts of 15+ minutes
[06:11] <mbales> ive had two identical boards next to each other one took half an hour the other 5 minutes
[06:11] <Vaizki_> worst was a nokia N810 that had been in Finland, then turned off for 2 months or so until I booted it up in Argentina
[06:12] <Vaizki_> that took about 20 minutes to first fix.. but it was one of those dead end "internet devices" that had no cellular radio so it couldn't get a-gps help either
[06:12] <mbales> ah
[06:12] <mbales> yeah thatll confuse it
[06:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> usuly if I power the tracker up outside it will get lock faster then if I power it up indors and cary it out.
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[06:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> if I powert it up outside it will have lock in 20-30sek if I power it up inside and then get it out side it will take 2-3 min
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[06:21] <mbales> thats good to know
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[06:52] <eroomde> morning
[06:52] <eroomde> i got into work early especially to grab a couple of hrs headstart on the big cad machine
[06:52] <eroomde> only for the electrician to sayhe's about to cut us off until 9.30
[06:52] <eroomde> great
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[07:14] <fsphil> good start
[07:14] <eroomde> yep
[07:14] <eroomde> however the ups is keeping the router going, for now
[07:14] <eroomde> and i'm on my laptop, tho no cad on this
[07:15] <eroomde> but it means irc rather than work proper
[07:16] <mbales> hooray
[07:17] <eroomde> those chaps on the mailing list sound like they want a helikite rather than a balloon
[07:17] <eroomde> if they just want to lob a piece of comms kit to 1000ft and keep it there
[07:17] <SIbot> In real units: 1000 ft = 305 m
[07:17] <eroomde> not sure what cubes or satellites have to do with anything
[07:22] <fsphil> buzzwords
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[07:33] <mbales> haha
[07:33] <mbales> i didnt see them specify a max altitude
[07:33] <eroomde> no
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[07:33] <eroomde> well i think they either want to do a hab project for fun or do a useful deployable disaster communications thing
[07:33] <eroomde> and those are two separate things
[07:34] <fsphil> the comms thing would be an interesting project
[07:34] <eroomde> and they should probably decide which it is they want, or at least want to start with
[07:34] <fsphil> instarepeater
[07:34] <mbales> ah
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[08:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV1NJX_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV1NJX_chase
[08:52] <fab4space> hello
[08:52] <darsie> hi
[08:52] <fab4space> what is the average ublox max8 power consumption after a lock has been acquired?
[08:53] <eroomde> <10mA but it depends on what your settings are
[08:53] <darsie> Is that GPS?
[08:53] <eroomde> yes
[08:53] <fab4space> in power saving cyclic mode ?
[08:53] <eroomde> so power consumption depends on your operating voltage obviously
[08:54] <fab4space> ok I see , at 3.3V it is not as efficient as 1.x V
[08:55] <eroomde> yes
[08:55] <eroomde> proportionally
[08:55] <eroomde> are you asking me for the current consumption because your browser is for some reason not displaying page 16 of the ublox max8 datasheet, which you would of course have open before coming and asking questions?
[08:55] <eroomde> https://www.u-blox.com/sites/default/files/products/documents/MAX-M8_DataSheet_(UBX-13004644).pdf
[08:57] <fab4space> sorry I have already read the datasheet several months ago, I was asking for real life measurements in hab context
[08:57] <fab4space> :)
[08:57] <eroomde> in a hab context
[08:57] <eroomde> well i suppose the electrons behave differently and low ambient air pressures
[08:57] <eroomde> at low*
[08:57] <fab4space> (I mean in airborne mode, ...)
[08:58] <eroomde> those numbers are basically correct regardless, independantly of airborne vs pedestrian vs whatever
[08:58] <eroomde> *however*
[08:58] <eroomde> more important is that you really test any low-power stuff you're using
[08:58] <eroomde> e.g. does it go back into aquisition mode if it loses lock in low power mode
[08:59] <fab4space> I'm currently considering replacing my current tracker setup with ublox/mbuino microcontroller with http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-mini-uart-to-usb-adapter/
[08:59] <eroomde> do you have an antenna installation such that you rarely lose lock or will you be spending a reasonable percentage of time in a higher current squisition mode
[09:00] <eroomde> i have used ublox and venus and would generally stick with ublox unless i had a very specific reason not to
[09:00] <eroomde> e.g. some venus chipsets will operate down to 1.2V
[09:00] <fab4space> I plan to use this tracker also for animal tracking
[09:00] <eroomde> so if i wanted to make an extremely low power tracker i might consider that. but unless there's some great constraint, i think you will have a happier life with ublox
[09:00] <fab4space> ok thanks for your recommandations :)
[09:01] <fab4space> the navspark gps is not supporting low power modes currently
[09:01] <fab4space> but it is 6$ for gps+100Mhz microcontroller
[09:03] <eroomde> what do you plan to do with the 100MHz microcontroller?
[09:08] <fab4space> basically reporting the gps position via a LORA SPI module , and sleeping the rest of the time
[09:09] <fab4space> I can do that with any microcontroller supporting SPI and sleep modes :)
[09:09] <fab4space> I like the MBED support for mbuino but unfortunately it is no longer in stock since several months
[09:10] <eroomde> i have a feeling you could probably do that for less power with a slower architecture that is better optimised for low power
[09:10] <eroomde> slower cpu with an architecture better optimised for low power, i should say
[09:10] <eroomde> like arm or avr
[09:11] <eroomde> unless you have experience with the leon3 in particular
[09:11] <gonzo_> or a pic
[09:11] <fab4space> i like the cortex M0 of the MBuino
[09:11] <fab4space> deepsleep works well
[09:12] <eroomde> yeah that's a very nice architecture
[09:12] <eroomde> i'd build a low power tracker around an m0 and ublox, probably
[09:13] <fab4space> this is my current setup:
[09:13] <fab4space> http://i.imgur.com/wr5iv4D.jpg
[09:13] <fab4space> with 144.650Mhz DP1276 LORA Module (for HAB freq in France) , mbuino and upu ublox breakout
[09:14] <fab4space> the DP1276 Lora has a TCXO
[09:15] <eroomde> do you care about mass?
[09:17] <fab4space> mass and size , but I'm not able to do full PCB design with µC , quartz,... I have designed the PCB of the motherboard which interconnects all the modules together
[09:17] <eroomde> i bet you could do a full pcb :)
[09:17] <eroomde> if you could design and make that motherboard then you have the skills to just put everything on one pcb
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[09:18] <fab4space> and I'm not at SMD soldering , so I choosed this module / breakout design as a first step
[09:18] <fab4space> yes that can be the next step to put on one PCB :)
[09:18] <eroomde> time for step 2!
[09:18] <fab4space> yess
[09:18] <M0JFP> morning all, did anyone UK / Europe manage to catch ISS chatting to the school in the USA last night?
[09:18] <fab4space> with cortex M0, ublox module, and DP1276
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[09:19] <eroomde> fab4space: definitely
[09:19] <eroomde> i recommend the pcb stencil method for soldering smd
[09:19] <eroomde> the results are better than by hand and it's much easier
[09:20] <eroomde> i put together a series of pictures a few years ago to show how easy it is https://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/albums/72157629174453806
[09:25] <fab4space> many thanks eroomde , it looks feasible :)
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[09:28] <M0JFP> !flights
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03M0JFP: There are no flights currently :(
[09:28] <eroomde> fab4space: definitely. the toaster oven cost me 30 euros
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[09:31] <fab4space> eroomde, I imagine the hardest part is to find the right oven :)
[09:32] <eroomde> yeah, though any of that style of generic toast oven will work
[09:32] <eroomde> although i know the french don't do toast
[09:33] <fab4space> :)
[09:38] Action: Laurenceb is eating toast atm :D
[09:38] <Laurenceb> nice cafe next to work at my latest job :D
[09:39] Action: Laurenceb is browsing dtic.mil
[09:39] <Laurenceb> missile design toolkit... that sounds useful
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[09:42] <M0JFP> anyone hear rthe ISS contact at around 7:40pm GMT yesterday?
[09:43] <Laurenceb> yes, I was up at 7am just to talk to some equally bored guy on the ISS
[09:43] <Laurenceb> /s
[09:43] <Laurenceb> oh pm
[09:43] <Laurenceb> still... whats the attraction
[09:44] <M0JFP> nice to know its real by using your own equipment
[09:44] <eroomde> GMm/r^2
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[09:49] <M0JFP> Well I got 30 seconds audio here in the UK
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[09:52] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/IMhvHgQ.jpg
[09:54] <eroomde> thanks Laurenceb
[09:54] <Laurenceb> serious business
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[09:58] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/whKmmrV.png
[09:59] <M0JFP> oh boy!
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[10:15] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7573/full/526296a.html
[10:15] <Laurenceb> nice idea
[10:16] <Laurenceb> just needs NOAA integration
[10:16] <Laurenceb> there should be some sort of system for distributed weather data input
[10:16] <Laurenceb> obviously sensor accuracy would be an issue
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> I don't know how full doppler radar is in clear air
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[10:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV1NJX-1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV1NJX-1_chase
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[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA
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[12:02] <RocketBoy> Today is 10 years since the first UK HAB launch - it would make a good topic - hint hint!!!
[12:02] <craag> !
[12:11] <Laurenceb> wow 10 years
[12:11] <Laurenceb> 10 years ago I was fiddling with an atmega8, sirf2, and ericsson t-26
[12:13] <Ian_> Some were still playing with their wooden bricks!
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[12:16] <RocketBoy> well it was a long time after amateur HAB started in 1967
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[12:19] <Kenni_> Hi guys
[12:19] <Kenni_> Question: I bought this USB DVB-T dongle with the 2832 chip in it
[12:19] <Kenni_> On ebay :)
[12:20] <Kenni_> What drivers can I use for it?
[12:22] <michal_f> 1967 is a long time ago :)
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[12:26] <G8FJG> it was 1973 when I tracked this http://i.imgur.com/AJGkQbr.jpg
[12:28] <G8FJG> 1296mhz homemade mesh dish and a "party 7" beer can feed
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[12:28] <SA6BSS> Kenni_: zadig
[12:29] <SA6BSS> http://zadig.akeo.ie/
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[12:30] <RocketBoy> G8FJG: Interesting I didn;t know about that one - there seems to have been a flurry of flights around the early 1970s
[12:30] <RocketBoy> but not in the UK of course
[12:31] <Ian_> Party 7 . . . that certainly dates things!
[12:31] <Ian_> Great idea, shame about the beer
[12:32] <G8FJG> RocketBoy ,,,I've never found any mention on the web about these flights...I might be looking in wrong place !
[12:34] <G8FJG> I'll have to find a picture. Not sure if I drank the beer, only needed the can.
[12:34] <Ian_> Lol
[12:39] <RocketBoy> The Ilmari project (1967) is documented here: http://copernicus-project.org/dzial,28,ogolne/artykul,170,Historia_Swiatowego_Near_Space
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[12:47] <RocketBoy> Most of the stuff I have on ARTOB and BARTOB was from VHF comms mag back in the 1970s but also http://www.amateurfunk-wiki.de/index.php/ARTOB pre internet really (was there such a time?)
[13:03] <gonzo_> it wasn't that long ago
[13:04] <gonzo_> it;s not un comkmon for me to be working on something a few years old and I just forget that you can google for stuff and drop into a mindset from the era
[13:07] <G8FJG> our first optic line systems ran at a astounding 8Mbit...It'll never catch on
[13:08] <G8FJG> I ended up on 1.5Tbit
[13:13] <G8FJG> love the payload launch about 3mins in DokBadnie 15 sierpnia 1987 in http://copernicus-project.org/dzial,28,ogolne/artykul,170,Historia_Swiatowego_Near_Space
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1YIP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1YIP-11
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[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1YOF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1YOF-11
[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1ME-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1ME-11
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[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K5KTF-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5KTF-8
[13:37] <Laurenceb> DARe coming u p soon
[13:37] <Laurenceb> *DARE
[13:39] <chris_99> yup :)
[13:39] <chris_99> their webpage seems very slow to load though for me
[13:40] <chris_99> https://ubideo.com/live/XjZ5LwGUOteLPAm seems to work better though
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[13:54] <fsphil> haven't heard them say "nominal" yet
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[13:57] <deepdesigns> hey guys, we got a balloon up
[13:57] <deepdesigns> K5KTF-8
[13:57] <deepdesigns> we launched literally in a cloud, so moisture added probably 300-500g
[13:58] <deepdesigns> had to cut a gopro
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[14:01] <fsphil> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5KTF-8
[14:02] <Laurenceb> can aanyone see the dare stream?
[14:02] <fsphil> yeah watching it now
[14:03] <fsphil> well, listening
[14:03] <Laurenceb> ah, no video?
[14:03] <fsphil> video's there, just not much happening
[14:03] <Laurenceb> hmm
[14:03] <eroomde> 1hr till launch yes?
[14:03] <Laurenceb> i cant see anything
[14:03] <fsphil> currently showing a nice blue sky and radar tower
[14:04] <fsphil> clock says 15 minutes
[14:04] <Laurenceb> grr
[14:04] <fsphil> there's a hold at -10 minutes
[14:05] <eroomde> keep us posted
[14:07] Action: Laurenceb rages at livestream
[14:07] <fsphil> possible sensor problem
[14:08] <fsphil> didn't quite hear what it was
[14:09] <fsphil> hmm,, they didn't hold at -10 minutes
[14:09] <deepdesigns> whats the stream link?
[14:10] <jonsowman> https://ubideo.com/event/55fbd2176f3d82e3c87c15c3
[14:10] <Laurenceb> not loading for me
[14:10] <jonsowman> is v slow
[14:11] <deepdesigns> I'm on 4g
[14:11] <deepdesigns> let me check it out
[14:11] <jonsowman> suspect local network speed isn't the issue
[14:11] <Laurenceb> me 2
[14:11] <deepdesigns> nothing for me
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[14:13] <fsphil> -6 minutes
[14:15] <craag> not loading here either
[14:15] <craag> boo
[14:15] <craag> should have used batc :P
[14:15] <darsie> What launch are you talking about?
[14:15] <craag> TU Delft's DARE rocket
[14:16] <fsphil> feed is choppy here but still playing
[14:16] <craag> 50km student attempt, from spain
[14:16] <craag> https://twitter.com/DARE_TUDelft
[14:16] <fsphil> -2 minutes. finding it hard to understand them now
[14:16] <chris_99> hmm not loading for me now '502 Bad Gateway'
[14:17] <fsphil> flight termination system armed
[14:18] <fsphil> and holding at -1 minute
[14:18] <fsphil> hah, video buffering
[14:18] <fsphil> might have lost the stream
[14:19] <darsie> can't ping ubideo.com
[14:19] <Laurenceb> dead here
[14:19] <fsphil> yeah totally dead for me now
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[14:21] <Laurenceb> should be launching now
[14:22] <x-f> aborted, misfire
[14:22] <RocketBoy> phlerrrrrp
[14:22] <fsphil> "misfire"
[14:22] <Laurenceb> did it get off the pad?
[14:22] <x-f> no, didn't move, was just smoke
[14:22] <darsie> What fuel?
[14:23] <craag> hybrid - parafin wax,alu + (cant remember and their website is also down)
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[14:29] <chris_99> + sorbitol i think
[14:29] <craag> yes
[14:30] <craag> was gonna say coffee sweetner, couldn't remember the proper name :P
[14:30] <darsie> I have a video stream.
[14:33] <craag> btw did it say how many viewers they had?
[14:33] <darsie> Says 1977 now.
[14:33] <craag> k, thanks
[14:34] <craag> still not loading for me
[14:34] <darsie> https://ubideo.com/event/55fbd2176f3d82e3c87c15c3
[14:34] <darsie> N2O drained through the main valve and the combustion chamber.
[14:35] <eroomde> that's what it's meant to do, at least
[14:35] <eroomde> so is that a scrub for the day?
[14:36] <darsie> damn chat scrolls to the bottom every time someone posts something. Can't read back well.
[14:37] <Oddstr13> darsie: Then I would recommend a better IRC client
[14:37] <darsie> it's the web chat on ubideo.
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[14:38] <darsie> disassemble, investigate, meeting.
[14:39] <darsie> Sounds like a scrub.
[14:39] <craag> Yeah scrub for today at least
[14:39] <craag> Any mention of a window tomorrow?
[14:42] <darsie> Hélène van Heijningen says: They do have windows tomorrow, Monday and on Wednesday, 2 a day.. so there is hope?
[14:43] <darsie> "9th floor students - A&S says: Don, the oxidiser got deliberately dumped to allow safe approach of the rocket. Refilling is possible though"
[14:43] <darsie> :( N2O is a strong greenhouse gas.
[14:44] <BrainDamage> they probably just had a good laugh about that
[14:45] <eroomde> that amountof n20 makes precisely no difference to anything
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[14:45] <darsie> N2O
[14:45] <eroomde> yes
[14:45] <eroomde> sorry i did a 0 instead of an O
[14:46] <darsie> Since you repent, it's ok ;).
[14:46] <eroomde> that amount of N2O will make no difference to anything or anyone
[14:47] <darsie> The CO2 exhaust of a single car is negligible, too.
[14:50] <eroomde> yes
[14:50] <eroomde> you're right
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[14:51] <eroomde> but where i think you think you're going doesn't really make a difference until there are 1000000 student groups trying out their experimental rockets every day all over the world
[14:53] <eroomde> and since there aren't, there's really nothing to be gained from worrying about the emissions of students doing an experiment
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[14:55] <darsie> It doesn't make a difference if it's a student project or N2O generated in the soil of a field from fertilizer. It all adds up. People should just be careful and reduce emissions. I'm sure the rocketeers are careful, but it still makes me feel bad.
[14:56] <Ian_> Bring on the hypergolics I say! :)
[14:57] <darsie> Yay, N2O4+NH2-NH2 :)
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[14:57] <darsie> Dunno how they affect the environment.
[14:58] <darsie> well ...
[14:58] <Ian_> Stand a little closer . . .
[14:58] <darsie> sure devastating, locally.
[14:58] <darsie> But they hardly fail like this.
[14:59] <eroomde> i think the benefit from students doing some independent experimenting far outweight the immeasurable increase in n2o emissions
[15:00] <eroomde> hydrazine breaks down fairly quickly
[15:00] <Ian_> I think that I'm with eroomde on this one. Can't get too excited and not about to hug a tree today
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[15:23] <deepdesigns> that is one serious rocket
[15:23] <deepdesigns> DARE guys :)
[15:24] <eroomde> is there a link to a webpage about it?
[15:24] <adamgreig> http://dare.tudelft.nl/stratos-ii/launch-campaign/
[15:24] <adamgreig> but it's down i think
[15:25] <eroomde> great
[15:25] <eroomde> their IT has struggled a bit today
[15:25] <adamgreig> 190kNs of n2o + paraffin+sorbitol hybrid
[15:25] <adamgreig> 23s burn, avg 8kN thrust
[15:25] <adamgreig> launched into the atlantic from the spanish space agency's site, lucky so and sos
[15:26] <adamgreig> had a flight termination system which I'd like to know more about :P
[15:26] <eroomde> hopefully the UK will soon have a range available to student grouops
[15:26] <adamgreig> hopefully as in in-the-pipeline?
[15:27] <adamgreig> does the uk have student groups with anything like this going on? cranfield maybe?
[15:28] <eroomde> not as self-organizing student groups, i don't think
[15:28] <eroomde> cusf is the biggest i've seen
[15:28] <adamgreig> the things I'd give for a range we didn't have to fly 11 hours for
[15:29] <adamgreig> want that high ceiling though
[15:29] <eroomde> bigrange perhaps if it ever re-emrges
[15:29] <adamgreig> mm
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[15:29] <adamgreig> our tentative plan would have something we could take to big range
[15:30] <eroomde> but if there was one in the uk it'd be another out-to-sea job
[15:30] <adamgreig> fine with me
[15:30] <eroomde> but there wouldn't be an altitude limit
[15:30] <adamgreig> good excuse for a radio system that can downlink everything
[15:31] <Laurenceb> I have a 17Ns rockoon almost ready to go :P
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[15:31] <adamgreig> haha if you get to 100km with that then all these other groups with their gigantic rockets are going to look well silly
[15:32] <eroomde> yes
[15:32] <adamgreig> I mean "when" :P
[15:33] <adamgreig> talking of cusf, time for the freshers squash, bbl
[15:33] <adamgreig> see how many keen new things we can recruit
[15:33] <adamgreig> space is cool now right
[15:34] <Laurenceb> well this is the "silly" option
[15:34] <Laurenceb> but serves to test the other kit easily
[15:35] <Laurenceb> theres no tracker on it, burnout mass is 10grams
[15:37] <Laurenceb> but sim says 105km apogee, so I'm tempted to launch during twilight and track optically
[15:42] <craag> I assume you'd need a telescope for that?
[15:43] <craag> Or could people assist with long-lens cameras and lens elevation measurement?
[15:44] <Laurenceb> yeah it just needs a few DSLRs
[15:44] <Laurenceb> the SNR is rather challenging, prob needs sequences of ~1s raw exposures through a ~50mm lens
[15:45] <craag> :)
[15:45] <Laurenceb> it only works between -4 and -9 degrees solar elevation
[15:45] <Laurenceb> so timing is slightly tricky, as little as 30minutes window
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[15:46] <Laurenceb> simulated view at start of the window -> http://i.imgur.com/7II24O2.png
[15:46] <Laurenceb> thats about the minimum SNR thats doable, it rises through the window up to the point where the rockoon is still in shadow at 90km
[15:48] <eroomde> if given an RS paper catalogue and unlimited budget one could be very dangerous indeed
[15:48] <eroomde> every time i flick through to catalogue to find something i see other things and get ideas
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[15:59] <nick_> eroomde: is the paper catalogue easier to find things on than the web?
[15:59] <eroomde> oh god yes
[16:00] <eroomde> i can't *do* RS without the paper catalogue
[16:00] <lz1dev> eroomde: have you seen https://parts.io/ ?
[16:01] <eroomde> i haven't
[16:01] <eroomde> but it looks like electronics only
[16:01] <lz1dev> seems so :)
[16:02] <eroomde> but i like the idea
[16:02] <eroomde> rs catalogue is nice because on the way to finding an op-amp you see stainless sprint steel in a useful size that you realise will solve some other problem
[16:02] <eroomde> or just the right kind of squeegee bottle for something else
[16:03] <eroomde> or a time-delay relay that will let you get rid of that bodged arduino circuit in a control cabinet
[16:03] <eroomde> or whatever
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[16:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K5KTF-8_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5KTF-8_chase
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[16:43] <Sitegoals> hey! anyone else tracking the deathstar balloon?
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[17:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K5ltf-8_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5ltf-8_chase
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[17:12] <SM0ULC> the Deathstar has fallen
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Also - surely it would ahve made sense to wait a few days, and do a massive shark
[17:21] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx-EntGKE8U&feature=youtu.be
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[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M6GJO_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M6GJO_chase
[17:55] <KevWal> Hi Guys, I made a post to UKHAS 30 mins or so ago that hasn't been approved yet, - it contained a fundamental error, would someone be kind enough to reject it and I will resend please?
[17:57] <lz1dev> ah, an excellent opportunity to learn about proof reading
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[17:58] <KevWal> Indeed, or in this case getting your units right in link bandwidth calculations (mins rather than secs, a factor of 60 makes rather a difference!)
[17:59] <lz1dev> wow, thats as bad as using imperial units
[17:59] Action: lz1dev ducks
[18:00] <KevWal> Haha,
[18:00] Action: KevWal throws a wet fish in lz1's direction :)
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[18:37] <mbales_> deathstar has indeed landed, no damage to any components
[18:37] <mbales_> very interesting track
[18:38] <fsphil> all recovered?
[18:38] <eroomde> that's no ballmoon
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> the starwars balloon?
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)
[18:40] <mbales_> yes all recovered, got one or two tracks as they were driving home too
[18:40] <mbales_> from what i hear it landed on the other side of an electric fence in a bull pen
[18:40] <mbales_> with bulls
[18:41] <eroomde> ha
[18:41] <eroomde> nice
[18:42] <eroomde> you could comission a local matador to recover it
[18:42] <mbales_> theres an idea
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[18:48] <mbales_> gopro even with a gigantic battery it only lasted till 70k feet
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[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> how many minutes recording time is that?
[19:00] <mbales_> a lot, they were only ascending at 150 feet per minute at launch
[19:00] <SIbot> In real units: 150 ft = 46 m
[19:00] <eroomde> wow that's extremely slow
[19:00] <fsphil> surprised it burst
[19:00] <mbales_> yeah
[19:01] <fsphil> I've had faster flights hit a float
[19:01] <mbales_> what happened is they launched in heavy fog and dew so their foam death star soaked up a lot of water
[19:01] <mbales_> so as it went it dried out and dropped a good chunk of weight
[19:01] <mbales_> near burst it was going 1000 feet per minute
[19:01] <SIbot> In real units: 1000 ft = 305 m
[19:02] <fsphil> ah not so bad
[19:02] <fsphil> lucky it didn't freeze
[19:02] <mbales_> definitely
[19:02] <mbales_> once they broke the cloud cover it was 30c
[19:02] <mbales_> and the death star is mostly black
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[19:07] <fsphil> perfect
[19:07] <mbales_> i thought maybe something had fallen off
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[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea, the effect of ballast :)
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> coaxial cable!
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> (sorry :))
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[19:22] <mbales_> what do you guys use for visualizing your flight data?
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> coaxial cable
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[19:22] <mbales_> i know ive seen some neat google earth 3d maps out there before but Im not sure how theyre generated
[19:22] <mbales_> haha
[19:22] <mbales_> Im sure that will help
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SciDAVis
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> that is quite neat
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> if you want to look at it
[19:23] <mbales_> oo that is neat
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[19:40] <mbales_> found what i was thinking of
[19:40] <mbales_> gpsvisualizer.com
[19:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/Caer_Urfa_20150628/Caer_Urfa.html
[19:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> !wiki using Google earth
[19:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-m: Wiki page 03using_google_earth - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/using_google_earth
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[19:57] <michal_f> is it possible for dl-fldigi to autosave decoded text ?
[19:58] <daveake> Yes
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[20:00] <michal_f> where can I enable it? I looked through options and can't see it
[20:01] <daveake> iirc right-click the text area and choose save-as
[20:02] <michal_f> ahh yes. I hoped for an autosave
[20:02] <michal_f> payload is in the refridgerator and I need to track it's life time somehow :)
[20:02] <daveake> despite the name, it is an autosave
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[20:06] <michal_f> doesn't seem so here. thanks anyway !
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[20:09] <daveake> try through the main menu then
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[20:26] <tweetBot> @daveake: #raspberrypi blog post re the #skycademy CPD, and the subsquent independent student launches https://t.co/WJrrXrci4F #ukhas
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[20:32] <tweetBot> @chimpusmaximus: Blog post worth a read https://t.co/2V6hnvklHR
[20:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> michael_f the file you want is C:\Users\?????\dl-fldigi.files\talk
[20:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> and its controlled from the config setting here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/dl-fldigi/
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[20:40] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/XTzGztF.jpg
[20:41] <michal_f> thanks Geoff-G8DHE
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[20:55] <tweetBot> @crispSV: Friday 16 #HABE launch from #Greece #UKHAS
[20:55] <tweetBot> HABE 434.200MHz 50 425 shift 7N1
[20:55] <tweetBot> HABE 434.650MHz 50 850 shift 8N1
[20:55] <tweetBot> MAN 434.300Mhz 50 425 shift 7N1
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[22:04] <tweetBot> @benbrpi: Great write up of high altitude balloon launch by @GlebeHS school #skycademy @Raspberry_Pi #HAB #ukhas http://t.co/RY8XifxLbw
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