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[06:59] <Chimpusmax_ios> Morning, is BGS expected this morning?
[07:10] <UpuWork> .flights
[07:10] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03St-OMER 10(52bf), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3), 03GHS1 10(fa0a)
[07:10] <UpuWork> St-Omer is in France but should be rx-able from UK
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[07:14] <chimpusmaximus> I think BGS which was possibly yesterday got put off due to a planned sea touch down.
[07:15] <chimpusmaximus> A nice and close one for me
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[07:21] <fsphil> if it had have been a weekend launch I would've had a go
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[07:22] <fsphil> cambridge is about as far as I've received, france might *just* be possible
[07:23] <fsphil> are BGS doing rtty or lora?
[07:23] <chimpusmaximus> Both i beleive
[07:23] <daveake> yes both
[07:23] <daveake> It's one of the Skycademy guys
[07:24] <fsphil> nice. connected up the receiver just before I left
[07:26] <Darkside> hum
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[07:26] <Darkside> need to look more at the rpi lora rx code
[07:30] <fsphil> hah, they're flying a modified sonde
[07:31] <UpuWork> F6AGV is flying a modded Sonde yes
[07:32] <UpuWork> no idea what the legality of that is but hey ho
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[07:35] <fsphil> it won't have a callsign, sooo *shrugs*
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[07:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BGS2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGS2
[07:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BGS1 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGS1
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[07:40] <daveake> promising
[07:41] <infaddict> morning all
[07:41] <chimpusmaximus> Morning
[07:41] <G8FJG> hi all ...when editing in gateway.txt for a lora module is there a quick way of installing changes, other than a reboot?
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[07:42] <chimpusmaximus> just relaunching the gateway script does it.
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[07:43] <chimpusmaximus> so sudo ./gateway should do it
[07:43] <garymortimer> morning all, much better track for BGS
[07:43] <chimpusmaximus> thats assuming you have exited the running script before editing the gateway.txt
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[07:44] <G8FJG> ah yes , now the ignorate bit, when I try that it says ...all ready running...only had the pi for a week
[07:44] <G8FJG> crossed
[07:44] <daveake> Close the gateway first
[07:44] <G8FJG> sorry how
[07:44] <daveake> Either press Q or CTRL-C into the window that it's running in
[07:44] <G8FJG> ok
[07:45] <daveake> Or if you can't do that, sudo killall gateway
[07:45] <G8FJG> goes away reads the book
[07:45] <daveake> The Q thing is in the instructions, in the readme file :)
[07:45] <fsphil> the whatme
[07:46] <daveake> sorry, the ignoreme
[07:46] <gonzo_> looks like a google map error at the current posn of ava. Shows houses on the map, but the aerial view is fields.
[07:46] <G8FJG> spot on ...so simple....me that is
[07:46] <gonzo_> Out of sate pic?
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[07:48] <infaddict> my house is still a field on google maps/street view
[07:48] <infaddict> 3 year old pic
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[07:49] <daveake> Mine was built in 1899 so no issues here
[07:50] <chimpusmaximus> Often find the imagery on apple maps is more up to date than google.
[07:50] <fsphil> yeah, satellite imaging was rubbish bach then :)
[07:50] <daveake> Yeah it's improved slightly
[07:50] <daveake> Internet hasn't
[07:51] <fsphil> http://www.oldmap.co.uk/List/mapimage/Old_Great_Britain.jpg
[07:51] <fsphil> no idea what sensor they used for that
[07:51] <fsphil> just awful
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[07:51] <daveake> wow
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[07:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mornging all
[07:52] <Kenni_> Morning
[07:52] <fsphil> morns
[07:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> my fingers haven't woken up either
[07:52] <Kenni_> Hehe
[07:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh Blue Grass
[07:53] <gonzo_> scotland seems to have melted
[07:53] <daveake> That's from AD150 ?
[07:53] <daveake> Probably not a bad guess for then
[07:53] <gonzo_> must have been a gopro, with that distortion
[07:54] <daveake> hah
[07:55] <daveake> google should use that map on april 1st
[07:55] <fsphil> plate tectonics was quicker back then
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[07:56] <gonzo_> the exact placement for eirlend were not measured till the early 1800's
[07:56] <gonzo_> as before that they used measuring chains, and that is a bit of a bugger over water
[07:56] <fsphil> hibernia. better name to be honest
[07:57] <gonzo_> do they sleep for the winter?
[07:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Poor teacher they have cut him off at the ankles
[07:57] <fsphil> oh you've been here then? :)
[07:57] <fsphil> hibernation sounds good about now
[08:00] <daveake> "HABernation: sleeping until the flights land close to the launch site again"
[08:00] <BeaverOne> finally got my GPS tracker basically functional : https://www.flickr.com/photos/100852237@N06/albums/72157659594396151
[08:00] <G8FJG> tropical 11 deg in the shack, its only downhill from now!
[08:00] <daveake> 24 here; you need more kit :)
[08:01] <BeaverOne> source code : http://pastebin.com/Mcd6uafR
[08:01] <fsphil> hah
[08:01] <Kenni_> I kind of regret not using Arduino for my tracking
[08:01] <G8FJG> I'll fire up the PA's
[08:01] <fsphil> raspberry pi's are handy and all, but they don't warm up the room like a good old AMD
[08:02] <daveake> Get 4 Pis and ass a nice large monitor to each
[08:02] <daveake> add
[08:02] <daveake> oops
[08:02] <Kenni_> Haha
[08:02] <fsphil> do what now?
[08:02] <Kenni_> Freudian slip :)
[08:02] <BeaverOne> Kenni_: like my tracker so far?
[08:03] <Kenni_> Yeah, looks good
[08:03] <BeaverOne> Kenni_: i have to get the latitude and longitude transmitted with 4 places of accuracy instead of 2
[08:03] <Kenni_> Right
[08:03] <BeaverOne> Kenni_: and also need to work on the battery module
[08:03] <Kenni_> I opted for an rpi to basically do everything
[08:03] <Kenni_> With the Ultimate GPS breakout
[08:03] <Kenni_> And NXT2
[08:04] <BeaverOne> Kenni_: got any docs?
[08:04] <Kenni_> Not as of yet
[08:04] <BeaverOne> with just the tracker i've basically maxed out the resources of the Uno
[08:04] <BeaverOne> :P
[08:04] <Kenni_> I'm VERY green in this field, but decided to do this as a project learning as much as I can
[08:04] <Kenni_> So I have basically started from scratch
[08:04] <fsphil> check the altitude limit on the "Ultimate GPS"
[08:04] <Kenni_> 40km
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[08:04] <Kenni_> v3
[08:05] <BeaverOne> it might be able to go about 40km, but it's not supported
[08:05] <fsphil> not soo bad
[08:05] <daveake> yeah not quite ultimate
[08:05] <fsphil> though flights have been higher than 40km :)
[08:05] <Kenni_> We'll see how it goes :)
[08:05] <BeaverOne> how unreliable is GSM at 40km altitude?
[08:05] <fsphil> totally
[08:05] <daveake> GSM?
[08:05] <daveake> completely
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[08:05] <BeaverOne> :*(
[08:06] <daveake> 2km if you're lucky
[08:06] <Kenni_> I just started in all of this
[08:06] <BeaverOne> i wonder if the GSM module will automatically re-establish connection to the towers below a certain altitude
[08:06] <daveake> should do
[08:06] <Kenni_> Saw the link to Dave's Pie1 project from the raspberry foundation
[08:06] <daveake> yeah he's good :)
[08:06] <Kenni_> :)
[08:06] <fsphil> we should totally get him on here
[08:07] <daveake> totally
[08:07] <fsphil> like dude
[08:07] <daveake> GSM tho ... quite likely by the time it's reconnected, it's landed
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[08:07] <daveake> iirc one managed to reconnect at 4km but that's unusual
[08:07] <BeaverOne> daveake: could be acceptable for retrieval purposes?
[08:08] <daveake> as a backup
[08:08] <BeaverOne> :(
[08:08] <BeaverOne> daveake: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=75&product_id=112
[08:08] <daveake> if all you have is GSM, you've got approx 50% chance of recovery
[08:08] <daveake> some of that lack of reliability is down to the poor quality of most off-the-shelf gsm trackers
[08:08] <fsphil> coverage in the areas HABs tend to land in is patchy
[08:09] <fsphil> unless it lands in a helpful tree
[08:09] <fsphil> which helps
[08:09] <BeaverOne> daveake: this is the Arduino GSM Shield 2
[08:10] <BeaverOne> daveake: http://ting.com/coverage#undefined
[08:10] <daveake> Fine. GSM itself is the main issue.
[08:10] <BeaverOne> using that SIM carrier
[08:11] <daveake> At head height, which is where phones tend to be used. Your HAB is unlikely to stop descending at head height
[08:11] <Kenni_> daveake, with PIE1, did your RPi transmit through your NTX2 directly?
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[08:11] <daveake> via a resistor network, yes
[08:11] <Kenni_> Alright
[08:11] <Kenni_> Then all hope is not gone :)
[08:12] <fsphil> you saw that schematic yesterday?
[08:12] <fsphil> that's basically all you need
[08:12] <Kenni_> Yeah, saw it
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[08:12] <fsphil> three resistors will do it nicely
[08:13] <fsphil> I used two once, but it's hard to get the correct shift
[08:13] <chimpusmaximus> daveake: good to see from twitter the whole school looks like its involved.
[08:13] <daveake> yup
[08:13] <Kenni_> What's the typical uplink speed in kb/s btw?
[08:13] <daveake> kb/s ?
[08:13] <fsphil> lol
[08:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Up
[08:14] <fsphil> typically no uplink
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[08:14] <fsphil> (the ntx2 is just a transmitter)
[08:14] <Kenni_> I know
[08:14] <daveake> Yes, for once, uplink/downlink are obvious :)
[08:14] <Kenni_> Might be a language barrier :)
[08:14] <fsphil> the downlink is usually 50 or 300 baud
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[08:14] <chimpusmaximus> crc failures so far
[08:14] <fsphil> b/s :)
[08:15] <fsphil> though 600 b/s works fine
[08:15] <daveake> chimpusmaximus Might be worth a quick retune
[08:15] <Kenni_> fsphil, so that's about 300 baud
[08:15] <fsphil> yeah, b/s is the same as baud for rtty
[08:16] <Kenni_> Ah, right
[08:16] <fsphil> I think. baud == symbol rate or bit rate?
[08:16] <chimpusmaximus> data coming in
[08:17] <daveake> nice
[08:17] <fsphil> what frequency is their lora stuff on?
[08:17] <chimpusmaximus> 250
[08:17] <daveake> and typically for 300 baud we use 2 stop bits, so 300 baud ends up as 27 bytes/s
[08:17] <Kenni_> Hmm, and SSDV image size has to be of multiple of 16 IIRC, right?
[08:17] <fsphil> yes
[08:17] <daveake> yes
[08:17] <chimpusmaximus> infact i'm tuned to 2492
[08:18] <daveake> AFC on?
[08:18] <chimpusmaximus> yep
[08:18] <daveake> The calling channel stuff will remove the need for AFC
[08:18] <daveake> Don't seem to get much drift during flight
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[08:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5APQ_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5APQ_chase
[08:19] <Kenni_> So, whats the bytesize of a 480*256 jpg at 50% compression ?
[08:19] <Kenni_> Typically
[08:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> low level prediction and actual are a trifle out!
[08:19] <chimpusmaximus> back to 2498, yagi out in front garden but stuck on phone call so can;t go move slightly
[08:21] <Kenni_> Is ~40 kilobyte a fair estimation?
[08:21] <daveake> blimey they're going for it in the large lora images :)
[08:23] <chimpusmaximus> No dropped packets yet :-)
[08:23] <G8FJG> getting first lora packets, antenna only 10' above ground
[08:24] <G8FJG> and it got to the "map"
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[08:30] <fsphil> gateway running on .250
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[08:31] <fsphil> that's a big pic
[08:35] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-10-09--08-24-42-BGS2-3959.jpeg
[08:35] <fsphil> nice rainbow
[08:36] <Kenni_> Whats the baud rate of BGS2?
[08:37] <daveake> It's LoRa not RTTY
[08:37] <Kenni_> Ah
[08:37] <daveake> It's equivalent to about 1400baud on RTTY
[08:38] <fsphil> which is doable
[08:38] <fsphil> just fldigi is a bit rubbish at those rates
[08:38] <G8FJG> where do I put my long and lat in lora for BGS2 , to get the green line on the map?
[08:39] <fsphil> ^ feature request :)
[08:39] <daveake> hah
[08:39] <daveake> Yeah, the lora gateway doesn't have that feature, yet
[08:39] Action: daveake makes note
[08:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> If your runningdl-fldigi, briefly change the callsign to match that of the LoRa Rx and then back again ;-)
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[08:45] <PE2G> !flights
[08:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03St-OMER 10(52bf), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3), 03GHS1 10(fa0a)
[08:46] <PE2G> !dial 5fa3
[08:46] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03BGS2 10(5fa3): none
[08:46] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03BGS1 10(5fa3): 03434.1004 MHz, 434.10063 MHz, 434.10018 MHz, 434.0998 MHz, 434.10016 MHz
[08:46] <G8FJG> ok... sorry afk phone call, back now
[08:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yea over the downs!
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[08:53] <fsphil> aww, glitchy image
[08:53] <fsphil> I'd hoped that would've been fixed by now
[08:54] <daveake> ditto
[08:54] <daveake> told them about that a year ago
[08:54] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-10-09--08-44-14-BGS2-395F.jpeg <-- weird cloud feature
[08:55] <daveake> Perhaps, as this is basically one of their flights, and it's happening live in front of them, something will happen
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[09:05] <BeaverOne> http://www.habduino.org/
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[09:08] <gonzo_> that is probbaly over a chimney or similar phil
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BGSbus-r_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGSbus-r_chase
[09:08] <gonzo_> I've heard glider pilots talk about using similar features to navigate by
[09:09] <chimpusmaximus> Could be brick yards at Whittlesey
[09:10] <G8FJG> I lost about70 packets on the last picture ..out of 777....is that "normal" ?
[09:11] <daveake> yes
[09:11] <daveake> payloads swing around so the signal comes and goes
[09:12] <G8FJG> ok just trying to get a bench mark.thanks
[09:14] <fsphil> should be rising over my horizon about now
[09:15] <fsphil> this one is a bit further than daveake's last one. might struggle to receive it
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[09:17] <michal_f> !flights
[09:17] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03St-OMER 10(52bf), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3), 03GHS1 10(fa0a)
[09:17] <daveake> another rainbow - BGS2 29
[09:19] <G8FJG> thought it was my screen :-)
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[09:22] <G8FJG> do I need afc enabled for the ssdv...its telling me freq error 0.7khz
[09:23] <craag> yes, or just tune up 1 KHz manually
[09:23] <craag> AFC does sometimes lie and throw you a long way off
[09:23] <G8FJG> ok
[09:24] <daveake> yeah better with afc off
[09:24] <daveake> We should agree on a calling channel
[09:25] <fsphil> it might work better with a running average
[09:25] <fsphil> and a limit to how far it retunes
[09:25] <daveake> yeah
[09:25] <daveake> We have 1MHz to choose from that is for 10% DC use max
[09:25] <daveake> so is out of bounds for most HABs
[09:25] <daveake> 433.05 - 434.04
[09:26] <dbrooke> I've never seen an AFC glitch but I did have in mind some improvements to prevent that and to make the thresholds depend on the mode bandwidth
[09:26] <daveake> no doubt full of weather stations, oil level senders, etc
[09:26] <fsphil> 433.9 is no mans land
[09:26] <daveake> ok
[09:28] <G8FJG> shift d got it
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[09:30] <gonzo_> that part of the band looks pretty messy viewed over my 190KHz
[09:33] <fsphil> 433.100 ?
[09:34] <gonzo_> Chimpusmax_ios, BGS2 image 33 looks like it was taken right above you
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[09:34] <gonzo_> 433.900
[09:34] <chimpusm_> yep very good chance
[09:34] <fsphil> sorry, 434.100
[09:35] <gonzo_> assumed that
[09:35] <daveake> That's inside the 100% DC area
[09:35] <daveake> I was hoping to avoid it, so it's free for regular flights
[09:35] <fsphil> fair
[09:36] <fsphil> my earlier typo of 433.100 then :)
[09:36] <daveake> :)
[09:36] <gonzo_> that would certainly be free of amateurs
[09:36] <daveake> woo
[09:36] <gonzo_> as are poretty much all the V/UHF bands
[09:36] <dbrooke> 433.1 is repeater output band
[09:36] <fsphil> and 869.350 for the higher band
[09:37] <gonzo_> dbrooke, yep, that was my piont!
[09:37] <fsphil> hah
[09:37] <dbrooke> heh, weel it's used hereabouts
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[09:38] <fsphil> 433.150 is free of repeaters
[09:38] <fsphil> nearest is 433.125 from gb3gh
[09:39] <gonzo_> they beacon a callsign occasioanlly but that's about all. Even the 2mtr ones are pretty dead most of the time
[09:40] <fsphil> actually 868.150 would be better for the 86x band. allows 25mw
[09:40] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/L31VTIg.jpg
[09:41] <Kenni_> Lawndart
[09:41] <fsphil> timing
[09:41] <G8FJG> did they rebuild it?
[09:42] <fsphil> oh they've burst
[09:42] <fsphil> nothing received here then. not even a bad crc
[09:43] <Kenni_> Looks to be landing pretty close to launch site?
[09:43] <G8FJG> fsphil where are you?
[09:44] <fsphil> n.ireland
[09:44] <gonzo_> Kenni_, that track with the thin line, is the predicted path
[09:46] <Kenni_> Oh!
[09:46] <Kenni_> Where did it launch from?
[09:46] <gonzo_> has the BGS2 signal just moved to .100 ??
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[09:46] <gonzo_> Or is this some local noise for me that's just dropped on the RTTY?
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> No seeing the same modulation has changed ?
[09:48] <gonzo_> must be something local with lora looking spectrum
[09:49] <daveake> The code never changes the settings
[09:49] <gonzo_> it was fading and fluttering in a hab way. Which mades me wonder
[09:49] <daveake> well it did burst
[09:49] <Andrew_M0NRD> dual antennas got tangled during decent?
[09:49] <gonzo_> the local QRM was fluttering in a hab way
[09:49] <gonzo_> np, I'll go back to sleep
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[09:55] <dbrooke> I suppose in garymortimer's apparent absence I should recommend http://www.lambandflagwelney.co.uk/ as the post-recovery pub, though, as it's a school flight, perhaps not ...
[09:55] <chimpusm_> lol
[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI_chase
[09:59] <dbrooke> heading for the flood plain but hopefully should be dry at the moment
[10:01] <garymortimer> bob on the track, simples
[10:01] <dbrooke> though I'm not sure how you can get over the river(s)
[10:02] <garymortimer> bates drove me thinks maybe the other side
[10:04] <garymortimer> lots of left low
[10:04] <dbrooke> Not many bridges,so may need to walk down from Wash Road
[10:07] <gonzo_> will it to land east of the river
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[10:09] <gonzo_> interesting, does it just spew locations packets in the last few 1000mtrs?
[10:11] <dbrooke> the fast updates show up the swing/spin
[10:11] <gonzo_> or just the jitter on the GPS
[10:11] <daveake> The ratio of SSDV:position packets changes to 1:1 under 2km
[10:11] <chimpusm_> Looks like i lost it but can;t go out and move antenna as on phone
[10:11] <gonzo_> good plan
[10:12] <G8FJG> that was good, decoding LoRa packets right up to blue line of silence..rssi=96 ?
[10:12] <gonzo_> the G6 may get it even on the grouund
[10:12] <dbrooke> strongest signal ever at the moment!
[10:13] <dbrooke> now weaker but still there!
[10:15] <daveake> dbrooke RTTY gone LoRa still working?
[10:15] <gonzo_> are you the G6 ?
[10:15] <daveake> ah rtty just updated too
[10:15] <dbrooke> I'm G6GZH yes
[10:15] <daveake> who needs airborne repeaters? :p
[10:15] <dbrooke> SSDV still mostly OK on RTTY
[10:15] <Andrew_M0NRD> picture in the grass
[10:16] <swaledale> looks like SSDV still coming in through the grass
[10:16] <gonzo_> looks like, there is a track running down the west side of the river, that may have vehicle access from the bridge to the north of the landing site
[10:16] <garymortimer> Are there not school children to make swim the river?
[10:17] <swaledale> could reinact the top gear bridge building special :)
[10:17] <dbrooke> the rivers are higher than the ground it is on
[10:18] <gonzo_> no making comments about the lavel of the bridge thoigh
[10:19] <gonzo_> the aerial pics look to be different times, withsome showing flooded land
[10:19] <dbrooke> the Wash Road is flooded on the pictures whereas the landing site isn't
[10:20] <swaledale> thought the bus was turning left towards the railway bridge, but turned right towards road bridge now?
[10:22] <gonzo_> they are prob trying to gtet a visual on the landing site
[10:22] <swaledale> yes think they have stopped to look over the river, not sure of line of sight?
[10:22] <chimpusm_> Have to admit being on IRC during the chase and recovery was very helpful
[10:23] <G8FJG> meccano bridge https://grahamandebaysworld.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/meccano-bridge-2.jpg
[10:23] <gonzo_> it does need an operator to drive it though
[10:23] <swaledale> lol
[10:23] <chimpusm_> Nor sur ei could do it again as the travel sickness was terrible.
[10:24] <dbrooke> I think they'll need to go up to the raod bridge and back down the other side as gonzo_ said
[10:24] <dbrooke> shame the SSDV is uninteresting
[10:24] <swaledale> yes think they need to head to the road bridge, think its a suspension bridge according to O/S
[10:25] <gonzo_> if they are lucky, the track along the river will be useable
[10:25] <dbrooke> the place is called Suspension Bridge but it isn't these days
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[10:25] <swaledale> ah ic
[10:25] <daveake> Except for the current suspense
[10:25] <swaledale> sigh
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[10:26] <swaledale> spotted animals on the satellite view. keeps the kids giggling
[10:26] <dbrooke> If I wasn't expecting a delivery I'd go out ...
[10:27] <gonzo_> anotherv pun thread hangs in the air dave?
[10:27] <dbrooke> yes, it's used for cattle grazing when not in flood
[10:27] <fsphil> you can't rope me into this one
[10:27] <gonzo_> just stringing you along
[10:27] <daveake> don't have a cow, man
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[10:28] <G8FJG> box his ears someone
[10:28] <gonzo_> then they fit the cows with waterwings?
[10:28] <gonzo_> ah, the puns swing back to bridges
[10:29] <swaledale> that water looks a bit troubled
[10:29] <swaledale> chase bus is on the bridge
[10:30] <gonzo_> very art-fully done
[10:30] <swaledale> watch out for trolls, cant trust this internet malarkey
[10:30] <swaledale> gonzo yes, thought it was quite funky
[10:30] <garymortimer> let be a photo of dave trip trapping over the bridge
[10:30] <garymortimer> let there be
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[10:31] <gonzo_> stop acting the goat
[10:31] <daveake> Unlikely I'll be in the photos
[10:32] <gonzo_> cue bbc news : Minibus full of school childern, rescued from flood plane
[10:33] <swaledale> BBC more likely to go with: School children eaten by trolls
[10:33] <gonzo_> they could ask the boat/helicopter to retruieve the payload too
[10:33] <gonzo_> sounds more like a sundat sport story
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[10:35] <swaledale> Bill? got it yet?
[10:36] <gonzo_> nope, he's sending out his mother's mother
[10:37] <swaledale> School Risk Assessment: is water likely to be involved? "Erm, no... :/"
[10:39] <swaledale> dave cant we change the code to show the bbc test card instead of green grass :)
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[10:40] <garymortimer> The old test card with the scary clown
[10:41] <daveake> Did something similar once with an onvernight flight ... http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1063
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[10:41] <G8FJG> surely the water isn't that cold..they made me swim in unheated pool back in the 50's
[10:41] <daveake> Yeah but that's cruelty to children these days
[10:42] <G8FJG> kids of today just wouldn't believe
[10:42] <swaledale> thinking of a xmas flight with preprogrammed pics of a sleigh..
[10:43] <G8FJG> you did get a cup of Bovril
[10:43] <cuddykid_work> ping UpuWork
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[10:45] <UpuWork> hi cuddykid_work
[10:48] <gonzo_> I assume they are walking to recover. But at least the SSDV shows grass, not a pond
[10:49] <chimpusm_> or is it green water....
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[10:49] <gonzo_> dbrooke, if you hear any change in the signal, prob means they have got there
[10:50] <G8FJG> image 33 just seen Rutland Water..top third middle
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[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3gbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3gbc_chase
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[11:10] <chimpusm_> Love the bin bags https://twitter.com/coding2learn/status/652437248466649088
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[11:14] <swaledale> those bin bag wellies are a classic
[11:16] <dbrooke> gonzo_: signal changing a bit now ...
[11:16] <chimpusm_> looks liek possible image change as well
[11:17] <chimpusm_> yep school tie i think
[11:17] <russss> hah
[11:21] <dbrooke> fading a lot, need to ask them to hold it a bit higher 8-)
[11:21] <G8FJG> looks like they sent small Barnstoneworth
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[11:21] <garymortimer> I am speechless the youth of today!
[11:21] <garymortimer> add wellies to checklist
[11:22] <garymortimer> poor devils having to go in tie, all science experiments should be in appropriate Friday clothing
[11:22] <swaledale> a successful retrieve. Now to get back to the bus!
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[11:23] <dbrooke> think it just reset
[11:24] <dbrooke> went for a while then came back suddenly
[11:25] <dbrooke> yes, counters reset
[11:26] <swaledale> was there an issue with the bus tracker for it not to be receiving so close? no 3G for upload?
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03stratofly_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stratofly_chase
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> There walking back with it now
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[11:37] <M0JFP> http://chertseyradioclub.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/tracking-hab-bgs1.html
[11:39] <M0JFP> looks like they had a great flght
[11:42] <Kenni_> Nice :)
[11:42] <M0JFP> our second attempt to track a balloon...got to the party a little late though
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Pretty poor navigation of the parachute
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> there were some trees it could have landed in ;-)
[11:43] <M0JFP> oh..
[11:43] <M0JFP> thats not nice
[11:43] <chimpusm_> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: it was you who sent mine to that big tree then...
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Must have been a happy chute ;-)
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> i WISH!
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[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Problem with my aerials at the moment, they have twisted on the elevation rotater so are pointing up by some 2 degrees :-(
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> c/2/20/
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[11:58] <PE2BZ> !flights
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03St-OMER 10(52bf), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3), 03GHS1 10(fa0a)
[11:59] <dbrooke> looks like we get the track back to home too 8-)
[12:00] <PE2BZ> !payload fa0a
[12:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03EAGLE1 10(fa0a) 03$$EAGLE1 - 03Primary - 03434.125 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[12:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03EAGLE2 10(fa0a) 03$$EAGLE2 - no transmissions
[12:03] <PE2BZ> !payload ava
[12:03] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03AVA 10(52bf) 03$$AVA - 03Primary - 03434.485 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/400Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:03] <M0JFP> all hail the RASPI t-shirt
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[12:06] <UpuWork> you should be able to get that one PE2BZ
[12:07] <PE2BZ> UpuWork I am all ready for it ;-)
[12:08] <PE2BZ> Icom is ready for rtty, airspy is ready for M10 sonde and I am ready for coffee....
[12:09] Action: prog grabs popcorn
[12:09] <PE2BZ> After this, tonight 18:30 Local Time a Dutch Hab $$AGENA1
[12:10] <M0JFP> any web based sdr local to that one?
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[12:10] <prog> too much popcorn
[12:10] <prog> ping me when you're at it
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[12:13] <dbrooke> BGS2 Image 19, I used to work in the building on the right. I'm impressed that I received at least one packet from that distance.
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[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AVA after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AVA
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[12:18] <PE2BZ> M0JFP de PE2BZ
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[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !dial ava
[12:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Latest dials for 03AVA 10(52bf): none
[12:22] <craag> 434.485 on the email
[12:23] <UpuWork> nice coverage
[12:23] <G8FJG> 434.485.400 green at -0.1
[12:23] <UpuWork> yep
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[12:27] <f5mvo> Hello, i start heard M10 Ava 434.254
[12:29] <PE2BZ> f5mvo I see it at the waterfall , to weak for decode yet
[12:31] <PE2BZ> M0JFP de PE2BZ
[12:31] <f5mvo> i decode now passing 3900m
[12:31] <PE2BZ> f5mvo Nice Job !
[12:31] <DutchMillbt> Nice and steady signal
[12:32] <DutchMillbt> PE2BZ gdn middag buurman ;-)
[12:35] <PE2G> PE2BZ: You're invisible on the habhub map
[12:36] <PE2BZ> PE2G I know, but I don´t know why.... Nothing changed...
[12:38] <PE2G> PE2BZ: Visible now :)
[12:38] <DutchMillbt> PE2BZ on the map now
[12:38] <PE2BZ> Thanks. Restarted dl-fldigi, was running since last weekend.
[12:39] <DutchMillbt> it is an addiction ;-)
[12:40] <PE2BZ> It sure is ...
[12:41] <f5mvo> its 7n2 50 bauds ?
[12:41] <PE2BZ> First M10 decode @ 6396 meter
[12:41] <UpuWork> AVA is 7N2 50 f5mvo
[12:41] <PE2G> PE2BZ: QRG dor M10?
[12:42] <PE2G> *for
[12:42] <PE2BZ> PE2G 434.252 MHz
[12:42] <PE2G> tnx
[12:42] <PE2BZ> PE2BZ AFK for making coffee
[12:44] <f5mvo> carrier shit 425 ?
[12:44] <f5mvo> carrier shift 425 ?
[12:45] <PE2G> f5mvo: I have 410
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[12:47] <f5mvo> shift is 400
[12:47] <f5mvo> 50 bauds 7n2 shift 400
[12:48] <f5mvo> 434.488 rtty , m10 434.254
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[12:52] <michal_f> for a 300baud RTTY at 434.650 MHZ, shift of 900Hz is OK or too much ?
[12:52] <Kenni_> No SSDV?
[12:53] <michal_f> with SSDV, but does it make any difference ?
[12:53] <Kenni_> Just curious as a viewer
[12:54] <michal_f> ok
[12:54] <PE2BZ> michael_f I think it´s to wide.
[12:54] <M0XIN> I can see and hear it on the waterfall, but justnot quite strong enough to get good decodes
[12:55] <michal_f> PE2BZ: what's the rule of thunb then ?
[12:55] <PE2G> First decode of the M10 at -0.1 deg, first RTTY at -0.5
[12:55] <gonzo_> if you have the shift too wide, it means that receivers will have less chance for the ACF to follow a drifting signal, before it is out of bthe audio passband and you have to retune the RX
[12:56] <PE2BZ> For 300 baud I need a receive bandwidht in FLDIGI about 350 Hz. That makes the signal widht (900 + 350) = 1250 Hz and that nearly fits in my RX bandwidth of my Icom-7000 (which is 1200 Hz)
[12:56] <gonzo_> though with a stable tx that is less of an issue
[12:57] <gonzo_> 1200Hz sounds a bit narrow
[12:57] <gonzo_> for a rx bandwidth
[13:00] <PE2G> M10: http://s30.postimg.org/klda759lt/M10_09_10_2015_1457.jpg
[13:00] <PE2BZ> gonzo_ when I switch my IC-7000 to RTTY mode and I view the spectrum on FLDIGI it narrows closely to 1200 Hz. That´s why I mostly run in USB filter 3 (1800 Hz)
[13:02] <PE2BZ> M0JFP last call from PE2BZ ???
[13:02] <gonzo_> I often run the AOR at 6kHz, as the actual bandwidth is dictated by the fldigi
[13:03] <gonzo_> though anything above 6kHz then the filter folds over and starts to add noise, as the CIO is the same for SSB on all filter settings
[13:03] <gonzo_> so that would degrade the SNR
[13:05] <M0JFP> pe2bz
[13:06] <M0JFP> sorry was out at lunch
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[13:09] <M0XIN> Yay, first green
[13:10] <PE2G> Anyone who kows if the M10 is at factory power, which would be 200 mW?
[13:10] <UpuWork> !dial AVA
[13:10] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Latest dials for 03AVA 10(52bf): 03434.488 MHz, 434.4844 MHz, 434.4854 MHz, 434.48512 MHz, 434.602 MHz, 434.485117 MHz, 434.485 MHz
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[13:12] <PE2G> Signal strength suggests that it's at a lower than usual power level
[13:13] <fl_0> cant hear a thing from AVA over here
[13:13] <fl_0> :(
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[13:15] <M0XIN> I'm getting intermittent QRM which is creating reds
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[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C1
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[13:42] <PE2BZ> PE2G I have lost the M10 at 11.7 km I only see small signal on the waterfall
[13:43] <PE2G> I still have it at 21km, signal strength is lower than a regualr M10
[13:44] <PE2G> *regular
[13:47] <PE2G> M10: http://s27.postimg.org/nkv4y74sj/M10_09_10_2015_1545.jpg
[13:48] <M0XIN> Wow, losing AVA into the noise now for some reason
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[13:49] <eroomde> shame it doesn't ava bit more power
[13:49] <PE2BZ> PE2G : I turned the antenna a bit, now it´s at 6.3 N, 45 East and 2773 meters high :-) That´s a long way for a sonde...
[13:49] <M0XIN> eroomde: b-bom, tish
[13:50] <eroomde> i'm here all week
[13:50] <eroomde> infact, all the time
[13:50] <eroomde> and probably for another ten years
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[14:02] <DL1SGP> !dial AVA
[14:02] <SpacenearUS> 03DL1SGP: Latest dials for 03AVA 10(52bf): 03434.48563 MHz, 434.4854 MHz, 434.48406 MHz, 434.48512 MHz, 434.602 MHz, 434.4844 MHz, 434.485117 MHz
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[14:12] Action: Laurenceb is going to try an even more nutty rockoon idea
[14:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.modelrockets.co.uk/shop/klima-model-rocket-motors/d3-six-pack-18mm-rocket-glidercar-motor-p-3310.html
[14:13] <Laurenceb> going to try some of these, basically as a test but not sure how high they will get
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[14:30] <PE2G> AVA burst
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[14:34] <M0JFP> presume no ssdv of ava
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[14:34] <M0JFP> decoded a few packets from pe2bz sdr
[14:37] <UpuWork> no AVA is an old school telemetry only tracker
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[14:47] <UpuWork> which may end up in a lake at the rate its going
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[15:04] <infaddict> AVA has had a great life tho
[15:04] <gonzo_> has it stopped for cheese and wine?
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[15:04] <gonzo_> and is the chute made from red/white checked cloth?
[15:05] <UpuWork> I think this is its 5th flight
[15:05] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/uAvaNut/IMG_1917.JPG
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[15:06] <UpuWork> I do hope Alain goes and recovers it
[15:06] <M0JFP> get it in the museum of flight ;-)
[15:07] <UpuWork> haha
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[15:17] Action: starsky135 slaps arjunnaha around a bit with a large fishbot
[15:20] <UpuWork> blimey stellar performance form ON7SD
[15:20] <UpuWork> shouldn't be too hard to locate that
[15:21] <DL1SGP> might need a chainsaw :)
[15:22] <arjunnaha> Lol
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[15:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.scribd.com/doc/222591707/MC15-Cri-Cri-Plans-Binder#scribd cricri plans
[15:38] <PE2BZ> !flights
[15:38] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03St-OMER 10(52bf), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3), 03GHS1 10(fa0a)
[15:38] <DL1SGP> heel goeden dag PE2BZ
[15:39] <PE2BZ> Gutentag Felix ;-)
[15:40] <DL1SGP> :-)
[15:40] <PE2BZ> I was looking for Agena1 which is supposed to take of from Limburg around 18:30 CET
[15:40] <PE2BZ> Launch location: Heerlen, Netherlands / N50.92; E05.97
[15:40] <PE2BZ> Date: 09 october: 18:30 CET
[15:40] <PE2BZ> Transmitting on: 434,650 MHz, RTTY
[15:40] <PE2BZ> Callsign: $$AGENA1
[15:40] <PE2BZ> Baudrate: 100;
[15:40] <PE2BZ> Shift: 300 Hz;
[15:40] <PE2BZ> ASCII: 7;
[15:41] <PE2BZ> No parity;
[15:41] <PE2BZ> 2 stop bits.
[15:41] <PE2BZ> But it´s not in FLDIGI (yet)
[15:41] <PE2BZ> and I am away for dinner now :-)
[15:41] <DL1SGP> hah
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[15:41] <DL1SGP> enjoy your meal
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[15:47] <Blafsen> Hey guys.
[15:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7ASU - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7ASU
[15:48] <DL1SGP> hi Blafsen
[15:48] <Blafsen> We are the ones who will launch from Heerlen, Limburg :-)
[15:48] <Blafsen> It will be more towards 19:00 CET though.
[15:48] <DL1SGP> hah hello Agena1 crew :)
[15:48] <Blafsen> Hi :)
[15:49] <DL1SGP> PE2BZ was just wondering about your status as nothing is seen on tracker yet and flight is not on FLDIGI flight list :)
[15:50] <DL1SGP> but it is good to know that you are launching, I gonna listen for the signal
[15:53] <M0JFP> another one.. we have been spoiled today..
[15:53] <Blafsen> Strange yes. I send a flight doc a few days ago but it never got approach.
[15:53] <Blafsen> Alright, we just gonna eat first and then we start inflating. I'll be back later :)
[15:57] <Oddstr13> I'm hacking on a interface between gqrx and hamlib rigctld-compatable software
[15:58] <Oddstr13> what is VFO?
[15:58] <Oddstr13> V, set_vfo 'VFO' Set 'VFO': VFOA, VFOB, VFOC, currVFO, VFO, MEM, Main, Sub, TX, RX.
[15:59] <DL1SGP> that's the freq you dial in in that case I would say
[16:00] <Oddstr13> gqrx isn't compatable with rigctld at all btw, even tho it says it is
[16:01] <Oddstr13> as I understand it, the VFO should be one of the strings in the list
[16:03] <DL1SGP> Blafsen: I guess you can ask on #habhub about FlightDoc status and approval :)
[16:04] <Oddstr13> lemme try returning just "Main"
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[16:16] <arjunnaha> I need to change the date of an approved flight plan...
[16:16] <arjunnaha> How can I do that?
[16:17] <russss> Oddstr13: it only supports a limited subset of the rigctl protocol I think
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[16:18] <russss> the rigctl stuff is a bit of a mess, I've even had problems with software talking to rigctld because certain radios don't support changing VFO either
[16:21] <Oddstr13> russss: the only program that works with gqrx's rigctl implementation, is gpredict, as far as I can tell
[16:22] <Oddstr13> and gpredict only sets the frequenct iirc
[16:22] <russss> yeah I thought about building a rigctl protocol proxy which just fakes responses to commands
[16:22] <russss> but ugh, radio software
[16:22] <Oddstr13> that's what I'm currently messing with, yea...
[16:23] <Oddstr13> however, I have no clue of what most of this stuff even means
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[16:23] <russss> it's documented in the rigctld man page
[16:23] <russss> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man8/rigctld.8.html
[16:23] <russss> under "commands"
[16:24] <Oddstr13> have it open in man
[16:25] <russss> you might be able to just return "RPRT 0" to every command other than "f"
[16:25] <russss> f or F
[16:27] <Oddstr13> any idea of what the \dump_state thing is about?
[16:27] <Oddstr13> I'm currently feeding it what the dummy driver gave me
[16:29] <russss> apparently it's an internal rigctld command :/
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[16:29] <Oddstr13> yep, and that's only thing I've found about it.
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[16:30] <russss> this might be useful http://james.ahlstrom.name/hamlibserver.py
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[16:36] <russss> rigctld is such a mess.
[16:37] <russss> I have literally no idea why most of the code is in a directory called /tests/
[16:37] <russss> it's almost as if it was written specifically to troll people
[16:37] <Oddstr13> err... no comment. /me looks at his script named test.py
[16:37] <russss> oh right. rigctld is actually only a test program for hamlib!
[16:38] <M0JFP> whats the time cet now google is conflicting between gmt+1 (UK) and gmt+2
[16:38] <russss> I don't think anywhere's lost DST yet, so CET should be 18:38
[16:38] <adamgreig> http://time.is/CET
[16:39] <M0JFP> +2 but ask in google directly
[16:39] <russss> oh google.
[16:39] <M0JFP> oh god
[16:39] <russss> it's all well and good until google is wrong
[16:39] <M0JFP> ha ha..
[16:39] <M0JFP> I read it on the Internet it must be true
[16:40] <adamgreig> lol
[16:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EAGLE1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EAGLE1
[16:40] <russss> Oddstr13: so the answer is, dump_state prints out a whole pile of data about the state of the rig, in a really awful format which looks pretty impossible to parse
[16:41] <russss> Oddstr13: if a program is using it it's probably only going to care about the first 3 lines because the rest is going to give you a headache.
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[16:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:42] <M0JFP> hi
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[16:43] <Oddstr13> russss: it's using hamlib, so..
[16:43] <DL1SGP> nabend Lunar_Lander
[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> how is everyone?
[16:43] <Oddstr13> russss: currently messing with WSJT-X
[16:44] <russss> Oddstr13: oh right, I see that.
[16:44] <russss> Oddstr13: heh yeah, I had a problem with WSJT-X as well
[16:44] <Oddstr13> russss: and, it's approving of the dummy python server you linked me, so that is awesome
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> the team I helped on cansat did not win :(
[16:44] <Oddstr13> I've had no luck getting the Test CAT button to become green untill now
[16:45] <russss> Oddstr13: yeah so it depends what wsjt-x is looking for out of it. In theory that dump_state command returns all the possible rx/tx frequency ranges and powers.
[16:45] <russss> so if wsjt-x uses that then it might be problematic, but I'm guessing it probably doesn't and you'll be ok with dummy data
[16:45] <russss> what a mess
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[16:46] <Oddstr13> "Hamlib error: Feature not implemented while setting split TX frequency"
[16:46] <Oddstr13> urgh
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[17:03] <Oddstr13> russss: the coding style in that script is horrible imho tho
[17:03] <russss> yeah :P
[17:04] <Oddstr13> 2space indentation, class methods are CamelCase
[17:05] <Oddstr13> the complete lack of additional newlines
[17:05] <Oddstr13> >.<
[17:05] <Oddstr13> also, old style print statements :/
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[17:18] <Blafsen_> And back :)
[17:18] <Blafsen_> Lifting off in 5 minutes
[17:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGENA1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGENA1
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[17:20] <PE2G> Tnx for the info Blafsen_ . Still on 434.65?
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> btw did you all see the new "blue skies on Pluto" picture?
[17:23] <Blafsen_> Lift off!
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[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[17:25] <russss> Oddstr13: fwiw I had zero luck getting WSJT-X to work using hamlib to rigctld talking to an FT-857, but it works fine connected to the FT-857 directly, because everything is awful
[17:28] <PE2G> AGENA on 434.649.6
[17:28] <DL1SGP> heel goeden avoend PE2G
[17:29] <PE2G> Nabend DL1SGP!
[17:29] <DL1SGP> AGENA1 is doing it wrong :( it is going the wrong direction :)
[17:30] <Blafsen_> Agena: 434.650, 100 baud, 290 shift
[17:30] <DL1SGP> brb dinner :)
[17:32] <PE2BZ> PE2G jij hebt hem al vlot, Frits !
[17:33] <PE2G> At about -0.2 deg, I think
[17:33] <Blafsen_> Reaching 4000 m. Happy days :)
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[17:35] <PE2BZ> PE2G de Cauwberg is toch niet zo hoog ?
[17:36] <PE2G> Browse all > All payloads (testing) > look for Agena-1
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[17:48] <PE2G> Still no joy PE2BZ ?
[17:48] <PE2BZ> PE2G not a single bit yet. And I need 5 for a baud ....
[17:48] <PE2G> No traces ?
[17:49] <PE2BZ> Totally nothing. Not on the SDR at 27 meter height either :-(
[17:49] <PE2G> I dont understand it...
[17:50] <PE2BZ> Even if the Euromast is in the way it should be above that now....
[17:51] <DL1SGP> back
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[17:52] <DL1SGP> met een beten TNT PE2BZ :P
[17:52] <PE2G> http://s10.postimg.org/sluff2r1l/Agena_09_10_15_19_50_25.png
[17:54] <PE2BZ> PE2G now traces on the SDR but still nothing @ home
[17:54] <PE2G> Very strange conditions
[17:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS10 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS10
[17:56] <PE2BZ> How did you get the agena payload in the callsign window? I dit All payloads, selected Agena-1 and then auto configure but nothing appears
[17:57] <PE2G> I did the same
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS11
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[17:59] <DutchMillbt> mmm strange signal
[18:00] <DL1SGP> does it intend to float? :)
[18:01] <PE2BZ> PE2G which version DL-FLDIGI are you running ?
[18:02] <PE2G> V3.21.50
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[18:02] <PE2BZ> Thats the same...
[18:02] <PE2G> http://s12.postimg.org/uywdsz7nx/Agena_09_10_15_19_58_32.png
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[18:03] <Blafsen_> Im in the chase car now
[18:04] <DL1SGP> chase?
[18:04] <DL1SGP> do you have a cutoff programmed?
[18:05] <DL1SGP> else it might get a loooong trip :)
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[18:07] <Blafsen_> Uhm no...
[18:07] <Blafsen_> :P
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[18:08] <Blafsen_> It is my first launch and I used a huge party balloon
[18:08] <Blafsen_> And it is covered in hi-float. We just went ofd in case the thing would burst.
[18:08] <Blafsen_> But it stabilized at 10 km...apparantly :)
[18:09] <Blafsen_> Now over Aachen
[18:09] <DL1SGP> k make sure you refuel, get rid of any botanics that could get you into trouble abroad and do not forget your id-card/passport as well as a pair of fresh underpants
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[18:12] <Blafsen_> Alright!
[18:13] <DL1SGP> :)
[18:13] <Blafsen_> Hmm loss of signal
[18:13] <DL1SGP> hmm
[18:14] <DL1SGP> PE2G is still getting it
[18:14] <PE2G> No problem at all :)
[18:15] <DL1SGP> heh it does not like me, I am just a tiny bit away from blue and if it keeps moving like that it would not change
[18:15] <Blafsen_> back
[18:15] <Blafsen_> Yup here too.
[18:15] <Blafsen_> But it keeps going on.
[18:16] <Blafsen_> We are really of it though. Amazing that it even worked. Thanks for tracking as well, guys
[18:17] <DL1SGP> did you label it with your address and stuff Blafsen_ ?
[18:17] <Blafsen_> Yup, I did. Email and phone number and name.
[18:17] <DL1SGP> phiew
[18:17] <Blafsen_> In several languages.
[18:18] <DL1SGP> even Duits? :P
[18:19] <PE2BZ> even German (of zelfs in het Duits) ;-)
[18:19] <Blafsen_> Haha..yup.
[18:19] <Blafsen_> Nederlands, Duits, Engels, Frans
[18:20] <DL1SGP> leuk!
[18:23] <PE2BZ> PE2G l$AGENA!,2090:2Y:14,50.0738,0.1%31,990.a0,41,
[18:23] <PE2BZ> 11754--"2.7,-24,0<1,)832.6!,2'$3!.p(=00OC*8522{}_}?k? is het beste wat ik er nu uit krijg, met de Icom.
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[18:24] <tomi> AGENA1 which Freq?
[18:25] <PE2BZ> 434.648
[18:25] <PE2BZ> !dial Agena1
[18:25] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
[18:25] <PE2BZ> !flights
[18:25] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03St-OMER 10(52bf), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3), 03GHS1 10(fa0a)
[18:25] <PE2G> It seems to be floating: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/AGENA1#g/altitude
[18:28] <tomi> thx
[18:28] <PE2BZ> PE2BZ is qrt. I will listen tomorrow if it´s still up ;-)
[18:29] <DL1SGP> :) PE2BZ
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[18:30] <tomi> PE2G ehat is the qrg drom Agena1 ??
[18:30] <DL1SGP> 434.648 tomi
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[18:33] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/13801_trj001.gif
[18:34] <Upu> !dial AGENA1
[18:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[18:35] <DL1SGP> 434.648 Upu
[18:35] <Upu> bit out of my range :)
[18:36] <PE2G> I have Agena on 434.649.0 for 1200 Hz centre
[18:36] <tomi> 434.648 weak signal in West Germany :(
[18:38] <PE2G> http://s28.postimg.org/8j9g7tp6l/Agena_09_10_15_20_36_54.png
[18:39] <DL1SGP> Ruhrgebiet, tomi ?
[18:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> listening in on web sdr on AGENA1 , running fldigi 3.21.50 and fldigi 3.22.13 and the later is mouch better in decoding the telemetry
[18:40] <DL1SGP> god kväll SA6BSS-Mike :)
[18:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> Tjena! :)
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:42] <PE2G> SA6BSS-Mike: 3.22.13 is a beta version?
[18:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont think so but its not the hab version, just interesting to see the improved rtty handeling
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[18:44] <DL1SGP> welkom terug Blafsen
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[18:45] <PE2G> Tnx, SA6BSS-Mike
[18:50] <Oddstr13> russss: my hack seems to be working now
[18:50] <Oddstr13> WSJT-X is controlling gqrx frequency
[18:54] <Blafsen> Sorry, blijft timeouten hier.
[18:54] <Blafsen> Alright, this good signal from observatory :)
[18:54] <Blafsen> Seems to be drifting down slowly now.
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[18:58] <DutchMillbt> 50.516373,6.281312
[18:58] <DutchMillbt> $$AGENA1,4,18:48:13,50.511333,6.286191,9090.50,38,14?99,-29.40,-29.00,1,9111.92,30798.00,5.p0,OK*0F00
[19:00] <Blafsen> Hmmm computer restarts going on
[19:00] <DutchMillbt> $AGENA1,3,18:59:43,50.503117,6.296421,9063.90,39,1Z758,-29.50,-29.10,1,9086.72,3905.00,5.00,OK*C91D
[19:02] <PE2G> Seems to be gone now
[19:02] <Blafsen> Same
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[19:02] <Blafsen> I see a carrier wae but that's it.
[19:03] <PE2G> I dont see any traces, sudden shut-off
[19:03] <Blafsen> Yup
[19:03] <DL1SGP> sighs it still was a good flight and now we can be even more curious about where it lands and if it gets found :D
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[19:04] <Oddstr13> russss: here's my hack, if you're interested; https://oddstr13.openshell.no/paste/VhgPjo7t/
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[19:04] <Blafsen> Yeah, very curious to see if someone finds it.
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[19:04] <Blafsen> Thanks for tracking guys. We loved this first flight and there sure is gonna be more :)
[19:05] <PE2G> http://s15.postimg.org/l4xcrvn63/Agena_09_10_15_21_03_37.png
[19:05] <kswtch> just when I configured fldigi correctly it went silent. signal wasn't that good near Köln.
[19:05] <Blafsen> I still see the cw of the ntx transmitter. I think the microcontroller died.
[19:06] <Blafsen> Perhaps it comes back later when the temperatures increases? Who knows.
[19:06] <PE2G> Ok, I'll leave it running then
[19:06] <DutchMillbt> Blafsen it's maby better to use 50bd nxt
[19:07] <DL1SGP> if it was day people in AFR1745 could potentially have seen it :)
[19:08] <PE2G> Is it in an airway?
[19:08] <DutchMillbt> say hi to the bird ;-)
[19:08] <DL1SGP> PE2G: I'd say "enough room"
[19:10] <mbales> hey everyone, thought you might like to see our kickstarter for a new lightweight open source weather balloon tracker: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs
[19:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EAGLE2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EAGLE2
[19:12] <Blafsen> @DutchMIllbt: Thanks, I'll take into consideration for the next launch :)
[19:13] <tomi> DL1SGP> ja
[19:14] <DutchMillbt> And do the interval after a few more lines, fldig decodes better then
[19:14] <kswtch> DL1SGP: do you use yagi antennas to track balloons?
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[19:16] <DutchMillbt> I'm out seey next time
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[19:18] <DL1SGP> kswtch: I got both, a yagi and a collinear ... mainly using the collinear at present
[19:20] <kswtch> DL1SGP: how many elements does tha collinear have? I never considered one for 70cm because of its size
[19:26] <Blafsen> Alright, the cw is now intermittent. Battery died I guess.
[19:26] <Blafsen> Strange as I test the thing in the fridge at -28 with lithium batts and it survived for hours and hours.
[19:28] <adamgreig> maybe condensation
[19:28] <adamgreig> was it conformally coated or otherwise sealed?
[19:28] <adamgreig> worth a spray of an acrylic lacquer or similar
[19:29] <Upu> mbales "The parts used on the board are all current generation and available from reputable sources but sourcing them in quantity may be a challenge. " it won't :)
[19:29] <mbales> i know, i really couldnt think of any challenges
[19:29] <mbales> haha
[19:30] <mbales> that one atleast seemed plausible but benign
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> flying hab supplies did not lead to victory on the german cansat competition sadly
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> but still it was great to help out there :)
[19:32] <Upu> oh well :)
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[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> :
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> an all girls team from Cologne won
[19:40] <Blafsen> adamgreigh: Well they were in a simple battery cover which covered them. Maybe indeed some condensation or short cicruit.
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[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> I had an idea
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> for some sort of "outreach"
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody still know buzz aldrin's race into space?
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> thought of something like that but with HAB
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> as a computer game
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> but just was an idea
[20:49] <mbales> kerbal space program has a mod with balloons, ive played with it a bit
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[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> cool!!!
[20:54] <PE2G> I think Agena-1 is still transmitting a single tone carrier on 434.646
[20:54] <PE2G> http://s15.postimg.org/6luurqvwr/Agena_09_10_15_22_51_30.png
[20:57] <PE2G> And gone again
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[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> is any R820T dongle good to buy?
[21:53] <mbales> from my experience theyre all fairly similar
[21:54] <mbales> i finally broke down and got a hackrf
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[22:01] <Michellegsf> Hey guys, so I'm co-leading HAB at my school in Florida and would really appreciate input of the best tracker to use for the most reasonable price
[22:01] <Michellegsf> help please!!
[22:01] <mbales> haha
[22:01] <mbales> good timing
[22:02] <mbales> Ive got a kickstarter going right now that may be helpful: tracksoar.com
[22:02] <Michellegsf> why? haha
[22:02] <Michellegsf> ok thank you!
[22:02] <Michellegsf> we have a pretty decent budget so any input would be helpful
[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is also http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/ which is well used
[22:03] <mbales> here is how i do my launches: tracksoar, spot3 satellite tracker, and snapcam ionlite
[22:03] <Ian_> Ask for guarantees of GPS operation beyond 40km altitude.
[22:04] <mbales> pi in the sky is also a great project
[22:04] <Ian_> Habduino
[22:04] <mbales> ^also good
[22:04] <Darkside> also contact your local amateur radio clubs
[22:05] <Darkside> particularly if you are going to be using APRS
[22:05] <Darkside> given it requires an amateur radio license
[22:05] <mbales> definitely
[22:05] <Ian_> Yep APRS is pretty much de rigeur in US . . . at the moment!
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[22:08] <Michellegsf> thanks guys i'll look into it!
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> thanks mbales
[22:10] <mbales> i try and be helpful when i can
[22:12] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
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[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:14] <mbales> i bought a hackrf and that same day 2 people brought in hackrfs
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:15] <mbales> really need to coordinate these things
[22:15] <mbales> getting them to transmit is painful
[22:15] <mbales> or its atleast an uphill battle till you wrap your head around it
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:18] <mbales> but being able to take over the entirety of the fm broadcast spectrum to play something ridiculous is fun
[22:19] <mbales> just dont tell the FCC
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:34] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
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[23:00] <ghsbill> With huge thanks to daveake and James at RPF, launching tomorrow 9.30am, RTTY 434.125 (Eagle1) and LoRa 434.300 (Eagle2). Children hugely excited!
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