highaltitude.log.20151008

[00:00] <Ian_> Goodnight guys
[00:00] <mbales> good day
[00:01] <mbales> or BeaverOne, you could hold out and wait for a tracksoar, and get your HAM license in the meantime
[00:01] <BeaverOne> mbales: planning on backing the project
[00:02] <mbales> hooray!
[00:05] <mbales> I just got the first round of test productino boards and theyre looking good
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[00:09] <craag> Looks like a fatter pava :)
[00:11] <craag> Ah no, you're using the hx1.
[00:11] <mbales> a bit yes, i did look at a number of designs when creating it
[00:11] <mbales> yeah
[00:11] <mbales> id liek to move away from it eventually
[00:12] <craag> It'll be interesting to see what numbers you sell
[00:12] <craag> Good to see a tracker on the american market smaller than the bigredbee(?) stuff that most people seem to fly over there
[00:12] <craag> with 6x AA or something
[00:13] <mbales> 2 AA
[00:13] <mbales> im hoping to sell 110 in the inital round
[00:14] <mbales> thanks, my biggest thing is there are almost no open source APRS trackers being mass produced
[00:14] <mbales> and the bigredbee is expensive
[00:14] <BeaverOne> mbales: adafruit 8:06 PM10% off all items in stock code is E360 expires 10/7/2015 @ 11:59pm ET #askanengineer
[00:15] <mbales> nice, good to know, i could use some more jumpers
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[00:18] <mbales> also im selling a version of my board without the transmitter so you could get a 434mhz version and modify the firmware for UK use
[00:18] <mbales> or anywhere really
[00:18] <mbales> *hopefully will be selling
[00:18] <mbales> rather
[00:18] <BeaverOne> mbales: do you like Lady Ada?
[00:18] <craag> Cool :)
[00:18] <craag> Good luck with it all!
[00:19] <mbales> adafruit is a solid company, never had an issue with them
[00:19] <mbales> thanks craag, let anyone you know who may be interested know we exist!
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[00:38] <mbales> and any suggestions for where else I can post info would be appreciated
[00:44] <BeaverOne> mbales: news stations?
[00:44] <mbales> mmm thats not a bad idea
[00:44] <mbales> hadnt even crossed my mind
[00:45] <adamgreig> ukhas mailing list?
[00:45] <adamgreig> dare I say it gpsl list
[00:46] <mbales> completely forgot about gpsl
[00:46] <mbales> if only it werent yahoo
[01:12] <BeaverOne> Adafruit Industries has a warehouse cat called MOSFET (metaloxidesemiconductor field-effect transistor) :D
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[03:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03stratofly_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=stratofly_chase
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[05:41] <Upu> hey mbales about ?
[05:41] <mbales> yes sir
[05:41] <mbales> how goes it
[05:42] <Upu> well
[05:42] <Upu> jsut reading back
[05:42] <Upu> tracksoar is yours ?
[05:42] <mbales> yes sir!
[05:42] <Upu> your comment about no open source
[05:42] <Upu> yup
[05:43] <Upu> Had this done for 6 months just waiting on code https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/2015-04-13%2010.29.26.jpg
[05:43] <mbales> very nice!
[05:43] <mbales> what rtransmitter
[05:43] <mbales> ?
[05:43] <mbales> lnvm
[05:43] <Upu> hx1
[05:43] <mbales> yeah just saw the pins
[05:44] <Upu> same as yours ?
[05:44] <mbales> pretty close
[05:44] <mbales> looks ike we had a lot of similar ideas
[05:44] <Upu> is yours on kick starter ?
[05:44] <mbales> will be on friday
[05:44] <Upu> what sort of price are you expecting for a unit ?
[05:45] <mbales> about 200
[05:46] <Upu> yeah sounds about right
[05:46] <Upu> ok cool post it on here when its up
[05:46] <Upu> you'll probably get it done before I get mine going :)
[05:46] <mbales> will do!
[05:46] <mbales> haha, sorry for the competition!
[05:47] <mbales> mine is a bit smaller though, but i like your form factor idea
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[05:48] <mbales> is it 2 layer or 4?
[05:48] <mbales> and is that a atmega328?
[05:50] <Upu> 4 layer 328
[05:50] <mbales> nice
[05:50] <Upu> well I wasn't going for pico
[05:50] <mbales> ah, makes sense
[05:51] <Upu> I was going for something anyone can just clip in 2 batteries, stick a antenna on and go
[05:51] <mbales> very cool
[05:51] <mbales> whats the battery life like on it?
[05:51] <Upu> production ones are black
[05:51] <Upu> well not tested it
[05:51] <Upu> but with all the power saving code we have expecting > 36 hours most likely more
[05:52] <Upu> really no idea
[05:52] <Upu> radio is only TXing once a min (configurable)
[05:53] <mbales> nice
[05:53] <Upu> I change it slightly so you can plug in a Sparkfun/Adafruit USB>Serial at the top
[05:53] <Upu> to configure it
[05:53] <mbales> nice
[05:53] <mbales> ive been getting 12 hours from mine but i have 0 power saving code
[05:54] <Upu> http://imgur.com/Pg6LdBY
[05:55] <Upu> depends on your duty cycle
[05:55] <Upu> its basically a Habduino with the AVR on board
[05:55] <mbales> yeah, thats pretty much the route i took too
[05:57] <Upu> you using 1 battery or 2 ?
[05:57] <mbales> either way
[05:57] <mbales> it ships with 2 battery holder but itill run off 1
[05:57] <Upu> yeah the step up to 5V is hard though
[05:57] <Upu> that will kill the battery life
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[05:58] <mbales> yes it will
[05:58] <mbales> i still get enough for a full flight out of 1 AAA
[05:59] <Upu> sure
[05:59] <Upu> just :)
[05:59] <mbales> haha
[05:59] <Upu> are you getting the parts for these off me ?
[05:59] <mbales> all the prototypes yes
[05:59] <Upu> cool carry on :)
[05:59] <mbales> production im not sure but id be happy to get a quote
[05:59] <Upu> sure
[06:00] <garymortimer> Morning, is Dave still go for a launch today?
[06:00] <mbales> i think i burned through 24 hx1s and the same number of ublox
[06:00] <mbales> from you
[06:00] <Upu> the ublox if you're getting them from me are generally the 200 unit price direct from distribution
[06:01] <Upu> the HX1's if you'r buying lots best keep Danny Lemos happy
[06:01] <mbales> ok
[06:01] <mbales> yeah thats where i got quotes fro so far
[06:01] <mbales> if youd like I can send you a link to the source
[06:02] <Upu> sure
[06:02] <Upu> these two should be code portable
[06:03] <mbales> yes
[06:03] <mbales> i believe they will be
[06:04] <Upu> anyway good luck with the kickerstarter
[06:04] <Upu> I'll do it the old fashioned way :)
[06:05] <mbales> haha, if i had enough cash for the inital run id be right there with you
[06:05] <mbales> not my preferred route, but good for marketing since i dont have an exisitng store
[06:05] <Upu> yeah
[06:06] <mbales> though ill put one up after the kickstarter
[06:06] <mbales> itll be at tracksoar.com
[06:06] <Upu> ok
[06:08] <mbales> i plan on putting a link to your store in my acknowledgements
[06:08] <Upu> thanks
[06:08] <Upu> check your PM
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[06:12] <garymortimer> Hi Mike, good to see you here as well as DIYD
[06:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BGSbus-r_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGSbus-r_chase
[06:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BGS1 after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGS1
[06:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BGS2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BGS2
[06:16] <garymortimer> I guess that answers the Dave question~!
[06:16] <garymortimer> How is he going to gas that to ensure an arrival on land?
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[06:53] <PE2BZ> !flights
[06:53] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3)
[06:53] <PE2BZ> !payload 5fa3
[06:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03BGS2 10(5fa3) 03$$BGS2 - no transmissions
[06:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03BGS1 10(5fa3) 03$$BGS1 - 03Primary - 03434.1 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[08:14] <garymortimer> Ok its all right the day can start now just watched the Bake Off final I have been avoiding all other web pages and emails somehow I knew the result won't be mentioned here
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[08:15] <fsphil> spoiler: some people in a tent cook stuff. one is slightly better than the others
[08:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes not a subject that gets much time on here is it :-)
[08:17] <daveake> On TV soon - High Altitude Bakeoff
[08:17] <garymortimer> We started watching in series one whilst still working summers in UK best thing ever! I love watching the spring turn into summer as it moves forward
[08:17] <daveake> summer? UK?
[08:18] <garymortimer> Its on the 2nd Thursday of August occasionally
[08:18] <daveake> Ah, you got lucky then
[08:18] <fsphil> it was cancelled this year
[08:18] <garymortimer> how is the weather for launch?
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[08:24] <garymortimer> Is there a prize for visiting the queen at Sandringham?
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[08:37] <gonzo_> we did get a summer. It really tested the waterproofing on my tent a number of times
[08:53] <michal_f_AFK> !flights
[08:53] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f_AFK: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3)
[09:03] <PE2BZ> Hi. Anyone knows what time BGS goes up ?
[09:04] <lz1dev> .flight 5fa3
[09:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Flight 10(5fa3): 03BGS Launch 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 08:00 from 03Lincolnshire, UK 10(52.77244,-0.37285)
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[09:05] <PE2BZ> lz1dev thanks, new commando I did not know.
[09:05] <lz1dev> .wiki irc bot
[09:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[09:18] <Northanta> BGS postponed to tomorrow due to predicted landing site being a bit too watery :-). New time is 9am BST , 9th Oct
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[09:22] <eroomde> good luck Northanta
[09:22] <eroomde> can you post a prediction for tomorrow? (just copy and paste the predictor URL)
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[09:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah did wonder!
[09:24] <Northanta> G0WXI I just asked @jrobinson_uk on Twitter who's part of the launch
[09:24] <eroomde> oh
[09:24] <eroomde> tell him to come here :)
[09:24] <eroomde> (it's not actiually that important that he does)
[09:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=e369976a26a2d1447aa1f58fd41b73e67a377c3a
[09:27] <Northanta> Saying that I was under the impression we're expecting some nasty WX soon, so who knows if plans will change
[09:27] <eroomde> yes it's a pretty turbulent atmosphere
[09:27] <eroomde> but that direction is a good one
[09:28] <eroomde> new numpy has arrived! adamgreig
[09:29] <eroomde> with support for the infix matric multiplication operator
[09:31] <Northanta> I'm off.... have a good one all
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[09:33] <VK2HBV_Leon> you around Darkside ?
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[09:37] <M0JFP> morning all any news on BGS launch or did I miss it already?
[09:38] <eroomde> 09:18:50 Northanta BGS postponed to tomorrow due to predicted landing site being a
[09:38] <eroomde> bit too watery :-). New time is 9am BST , 9th Oct
[09:39] <M0JFP> ok will down tools for the day then..
[09:39] <eroomde> weather is a cruel mistress
[09:39] <M0JFP> I am a cyclist so I know that ;-
[09:40] <M0JFP> can you remind me of the new web page again
[09:40] <M0JFP> please
[09:40] <eroomde> which new web page?
[09:40] <M0JFP> news.. which says about launches and delays, was it a yahoo group? I lost the link
[09:41] <eroomde> oh no this irc channel
[09:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[09:41] <M0JFP> Thanks Geoff thaats the one.. **BOKMARK**
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[10:01] <adamgreig> eroomde: ooh yay
[10:01] <adamgreig> can't wait to swap everything to @s
[10:01] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Adlj9qV.gifv
[10:01] <eroomde> adamgreig: i just have been
[10:01] <eroomde> it's lovely
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[10:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA
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[10:17] <Laurenceb_> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8530/production/_85969043_oath.png
[10:17] <Laurenceb_> oath of the microsoft word council
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[10:25] <garymortimer> Just put a test aprs digipeter out, little bit hot in the box 58C that's spring for you! 37 in the car http://aprs.fi/info/a/ZS5YE-14
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[10:27] <lz1dev> .aprs info zs5ye-14
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03ZS5YE-14 is near 03Indlovu DC, South Africa 10(-29.32584,29.91183) at 031552 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/ZS5YE-14
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03ZS5YE-14>APAVT5 via 03WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1,qAR,ZS0PMB-2
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03/# Speed: 030kmph Course: 030°
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03Animal TrackEm 4.06V 58.0C X
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Status: 03Field Digipeter 4.17V 27.5C X
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[10:29] <lz1dev> i wish WX was this nice here :\
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[10:36] Action: SpacenearUS got confused... send help
[10:45] <fsphil> 37c is not nice :)
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[10:52] <michal_f> can you please take a look at this http://pastebin.com/V9uEDDjU and tell what's wrong with it ?
[10:53] <michal_f> it's a short KML file with a link to habitat
[10:54] <michal_f> adding vehicle=ARY1 gives error on google earth
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[10:59] <fsphil> try &amp; instead of &
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[10:59] <eroomde> michal_f: i suspect actually it's the '&' character before what you just wrote
[10:59] <eroomde> try replacing the '&' with '&amp;'
[10:59] <eroomde> xml doesn't like special characters like & on their own
[10:59] <eroomde> too slow
[10:59] <eroomde> again
[10:59] <eroomde> always
[10:59] <fsphil> same second on my screen :)
[10:59] <eroomde> yep same second on mine
[10:59] <eroomde> so we're both dead
[11:01] <eroomde> michal_f: you might find this converter useful in the future http://coderstoolbox.net/string/#!encoding=xml&action=encode&charset=us_ascii
[11:01] <michal_f> thanks! it seems to work :)
[11:02] <eroomde> xml is hateful
[11:02] <fsphil> so true
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[11:03] <pb0ahx_> !flights
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx_: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3)
[11:04] <pb0ahx_> !dial 5fa3
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx_: Latest dials for 03BGS2 10(5fa3): none
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx_: Latest dials for 03BGS1 10(5fa3): none
[11:04] <michal_f> hmm I hoped that would load a specific flight into GEarth, but aparently not
[11:04] <craag> pb0ahx_: postponed til tomorrow
[11:05] <pb0ahx_> craag, tnx info
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[11:13] <michal_f> ok, i got it
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[11:50] <Ron_FJG> Hi all , when using a LoRa receiver for SSDV can you "see" the decoded picture on your own screen or just watch on http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[11:51] <daveake> The files are also on the Pi SD card
[11:52] <daveake> So if you view that folder you'll see the images
[11:52] <Ron_FJG> so it saves to a file?
[11:52] <Laurenceb_> nice suit
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[11:53] <Ron_FJG> folder/ file lives where?
[11:53] <Ron_FJG> ok think I just seen it Doh
[11:54] <Ron_FJG> afk
[11:56] <fsphil> could do a low resolution preview in ncurses :)
[11:57] <daveake> :)
[11:57] <daveake> I'm doing it properly in that lcars thing :)
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[11:59] <SM0ULC> fsphil: vlc output to ncurses is funky :)
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[12:28] <Kenni_> Hello
[12:28] <fsphil> afternoon
[12:28] <Kenni_> I'm pretty new to the whole amateur radio scene
[12:29] <Kenni_> However, I have a few Raspberry Pi's, and actually also a NXT 2 from Radiomatrix
[12:29] <Kenni_> Can someone give me a good starting point for how to receive signals transmitted from the NXT 2?
[12:29] <fsphil> do you have any receivers yet?
[12:29] <Kenni_> For testing, this can be in the comfort of my home, no specific requirements to range (yet)
[12:30] <Kenni_> No
[12:30] <Kenni_> It could be a USB dongle'ish receiver
[12:30] <fsphil> a useful thing to start with then is one of the rtlsdr usb dongles
[12:30] <fsphil> they can receive the 434mhz signal the ntx2 transmits just fine
[12:30] <fsphil> combined with the appropriate software on your pc
[12:31] <Kenni_> Ah, nice!
[12:31] <Kenni_> Yeah
[12:31] <Kenni_> Cheap as well, RTL2832
[12:31] <fsphil> they often come with little antennas that are a bit useless, but will work for short range testing
[12:31] <Kenni_> Right ok - The testing will all be done in my workshop anyway, so it could be 50cm range :)
[12:32] <fsphil> you probably won't need an antenna at all for that :)
[12:32] <fsphil> having them close can sometimes overload the receiver, causing all sorts of interference
[12:32] <fsphil> but it's easily solved
[12:34] <Kenni_> To begin with, it's a learning process
[12:34] <Kenni_> Ultimately with SSDV capabilities
[12:34] <fsphil> yeah. it's a good way to start, getting confident with rx'ing
[12:34] <Kenni_> When I have all that sortet, I can start looking at getting better equipment
[12:34] <Kenni_> *sorted
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[12:36] <Kenni_> What about TV tuner dongles?
[12:36] <Kenni_> I remember reading something about some of them having RF chips in them
[12:36] <craag> That's the rtlsdrs
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[12:37] <Kenni_> Ah, ok!
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[12:37] <craag> eg https://www.cosycave.co.uk/index.php?id_product=83&controller=product
[12:38] <craag> err dont get that one
[12:38] <Kenni_> Gotcha :=
[12:38] <craag> 'You will need to patch your software' - they've done something weird
[12:38] <Kenni_> I wonder if I can get a compatible dongle in an TV/Sat/Antenna shop
[12:38] <craag> This one when it's back in stock would be ideal: https://www.cosycave.co.uk/index.php?id_product=84&controller=product
[12:39] <craag> You need to know that it uses an 'RTL2832' tuner chip
[12:39] <Kenni_> What about the one I found on adafruit?
[12:39] <Kenni_> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1497
[12:39] <craag> link it?
[12:39] <craag> apart from being v overpriced, that'd do :)
[12:40] <Kenni_> Oh, ok then :)
[12:40] <craag> ebay has them too
[12:40] <craag> what country are you in?
[12:40] <Kenni_> Denmark
[12:41] <craag> Ok, have a look around on your local ebay for 'rtl2832u'
[12:42] <Kenni_> It's stuff like this that makes me realise why I pay for overpriced parts
[12:42] <craag> then they'll talk about the tuner chip, r820t2 > r820t > e4000 is the general consensus, but there's not much in it so I'd just go for the cheapest one with fast delivery ;)
[12:42] <Kenni_> I have zero to no patience when it comes to waiting for things I've ordered. :)
[12:42] <craag> don't think you can amazon prime them yet unfortunately :P
[12:42] <Kenni_> RTL2832U+R820T - 3.90£
[12:43] <craag> that's v cheap... local or from asia?
[12:43] <Kenni_> From Hong Kong, so I'll have that by christmas.
[12:43] <craag> hehe
[12:43] <daveake> Get one with an SMA socket or adapter
[12:43] <craag> ah yes ^^
[12:43] <daveake> This is the one I got, I think http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADS-B-RTL2832U-R820T-USB-Stick-with-SMA-Pigtail-for-Flightrader24-/121764233265?hash=item1c59b6c031
[12:43] <Kenni_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB2-0-Digital-DVB-T-SDR-DAB-FM-HDTV-TV-Tuner-Receiver-Stick-HE-RTL2832U-R820T-/231284993997?hash=item35d9a8efcd
[12:43] <Kenni_> Was just looking at this
[12:45] <craag> The one dave linked will post to denmark quicker
[12:45] <craag> and comes with an adaptor cable that you'll need to plug any other antenna into it
[12:46] <Kenni_> Est. 14-10-2015 - 13-11-2015
[12:46] <Kenni_> Wow
[12:46] <craag> dave's one: Estimated between Wed. 14 Oct. and Wed. 21 Oct.
[12:46] <craag> (for denmark)
[12:46] <Kenni_> Ah
[12:46] <Kenni_> Right
[12:46] <Kenni_> I'm blind :)
[12:46] <Kenni_> Ok, I'll definitely bookmark this
[12:47] <craag> gotta run, cya!
[12:47] <Kenni_> I think I'll check with my local TV/Sat dealer to see if he has anything that I can use
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[12:47] <Kenni_> Without you guys to ask, what do I specifically need to make sure the receiver can do?
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[12:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5RZP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[12:58] <gonzo_> I recon that a TV sales place will not have a clue what you are talking about!
[12:59] <gonzo_> you would be better ordering off ebay.
[12:59] <Kenni_> Yeah, I'll do that if they don't know what I'm talking about
[12:59] <Kenni_> It's not a TV sales place
[12:59] <gonzo_> (Someone will probably post some info/link here...)
[12:59] <Kenni_> As such, they deal with radio and sat
[13:00] <gonzo_> unless the guy is a radio amateur, I'd be supprised if they have even heard about using an RTL dongle this way)
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[13:09] <ntx2> Hi - So if I have a bent antenna on my receiver...it is going to affect the reception of the signal from the flight, right?
[13:09] <ntx2> I received the antenna that I had ordered but it is bent in transit....
[13:10] <ntx2> I meant I ordered it online on ebay...
[13:10] <eroomde> it will affect it yes
[13:10] <ntx2> The seller is asking me to bend it back and try to use it....
[13:11] <eroomde> it's arrived damaged in shipping
[13:11] <eroomde> doesn't matter what it is
[13:11] <eroomde> reject it or accept it, no faffing middleground
[13:11] <eroomde> and ignore any attempt at silliness from them
[13:12] <eroomde> it must arrive undamaged or you can claim your money back legally
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[13:12] <ntx2> sure...
[13:13] <eroomde> if you band it back to straight it'll probably be ok still as an antenna
[13:13] <eroomde> but that's not to say it won't be more likely to mechnically fail
[13:14] <daveake> What sort of antenna is this ?
[13:14] <ntx2> WSM 270 70 cm antenna
[13:16] <ntx2> it has a magnetic base to fix it on the car
[13:17] <ntx2> but when I received it, the base is too tiny and the antenna is too thin
[13:17] <eroomde> that's a separate issue to whether or not it's bent though right?
[13:17] <craag> Plenty of people do use that one for hab chasing
[13:17] <craag> it's light enough to get away with a small base
[13:18] <craag> but yeah - send it back
[13:18] <craag> you don't know it wasn't damaged when they posted it
[13:18] <ntx2> right.....
[13:18] <ntx2> It is bent into an arc in the middle and a strong bend towards the edge
[13:18] <daveake> Yes small base and thinnish wire are normal
[13:19] <craag> do it through ebay/paypal too, then they'll have your back as long as you follow the steps.
[13:19] <ntx2> I cannot straighten it
[13:19] <ntx2> makes sense
[13:19] <ntx2> thanks
[13:21] <ntx2> question for GoPro users - how long does the battery last while recording HD video in HAB?
[13:22] <eroomde> it lasts longer than the time-between-crashes life
[13:22] <adamgreig> depends on settings, battery health etc. one good and very easy way to find out...
[13:22] <daveake> especially depends on which model
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[13:23] <ntx2> here is my problem...I was planning on using a Canon with CHDK but the battery does not last for more than 60 mins with any setting (even with screen turned off etc)
[13:23] <daveake> What battery?
[13:24] <ntx2> a 900 mAH Li-ion battery
[13:24] <daveake> Get a Canon that takes AAs
[13:25] <ntx2> so I thought I will go with a sports camera that can take HD video but not as expensive as a Gopro since this is my first launch and I do not want to lose an expensive camera in it
[13:25] <ntx2> I found Xaiomi yi which is small and cheap enough but battery does not last more than one hour...
[13:25] <daveake> GoPro have battery-life pages for each of their cameras, e.g. https://gopro.com/support/articles/hero3-battery-life
[13:25] <ntx2> this also has a 1100 mAH battery
[13:25] <daveake> But as Adam suggested, test it yourself
[13:26] <craag> '808' keychain cameras are a very low cost alternative
[13:26] <craag> but video will be nowhere near as good as gopro/contour
[13:27] <ntx2> spy camera is an interesting idea :)
[13:28] <adamgreig> the 808 #16 has really very good video quality
[13:28] <adamgreig> as good as a gopro on 720p
[13:28] <adamgreig> ine
[13:28] <adamgreig> in my experience*
[13:29] <ntx2> and it lasts for more than 3 hours?
[13:30] <adamgreig> heavens no
[13:30] <adamgreig> can remotely power them though
[13:30] <craag> ok, our only hab test of them so far was a bit 'affected' by motion
[13:31] <ntx2> thats an understatement I take it :)
[13:31] <craag> the entire payload span at 1hz or faster for the entire flight.. bit weird, not really sure why.
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[13:54] <gonzo_> the only 808 cam I tried, would stop recoding after half an hour. And would not colse the file correvtly.
[13:54] <gonzo_> old crappy versio, or just bad luck?
[13:55] <gonzo_> was OK if you manually stopped it
[13:55] <adamgreig> I only use the #16 ones and they're nice in a lot of ways
[13:55] <adamgreig> definitely happy to record for 3hr+ off external power
[13:55] <adamgreig> and can be set to start recording when you apply power
[13:56] <adamgreig> which is ideal for cameras in payloads of things where you want your avionics to trigger the cameras to start/stop
[13:56] <Kenni_> Hmm
[13:57] <Kenni_> Will the pi be able to transmit in the correct range using NTX2, without additional components?
[13:57] <Kenni_> Meaning, can I power the transmission directly through GPIO?
[14:00] <eroomde> no and no
[14:00] <Kenni_> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi_projects/blog/2014/02/18/raspberry-pi-java-ntx2-radio-transmitter
[14:01] <Kenni_> So I can disregard this blog?
[14:01] <fsphil> java? good lord
[14:02] <fsphil> not loading for me
[14:02] <Kenni_> lol
[14:02] <eroomde> Kenni_: that makes no sense
[14:02] <Kenni_> What's wrong with Java? :)
[14:02] <fsphil> the pi has a 3.3v power rail on the header. you typically power it from that
[14:02] <eroomde> you asked if you can power the ntx2b off gpio and if it needs no external compoinents
[14:02] <eroomde> in that blog the ntx2 is not powered by gpio and it uses external componentns
[14:03] <eroomde> so you should not disregard that blog, you should regard it better
[14:03] <michal_f> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits-hardware/blob/master/PiInTheSky-Mainboard-v2.4.pdf this is how PITS is done, and it works
[14:03] <michal_f> I followed this schema and it worked for me
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[14:04] <fsphil> ah finally loaded
[14:04] <Kenni_> Alright, thanks
[14:05] <fsphil> knew that schematic looked familiar
[14:05] <fsphil> "provided on the UK HAS site"
[14:05] <adamgreig> haha
[14:06] <michal_f> you can power NTX2B from a 5V pin on Raspi
[14:06] <michal_f> if your PI has 5V power of course :)
[14:06] <Kenni_> It does :)
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[14:12] <Kenni_> Oh well, time to leave work. Later
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[14:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD5GOM-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[14:44] <Evya89> Does UKHAS work in the middle east?
[14:45] <eroomde> it can work anywhere that there are listeners
[14:45] <eroomde> assuming by 'ukhas' you mean the habhub tracking and mapping system
[14:46] <eroomde> 'listeners' can be just you if you're launching, or other local amatuer radio enthusiasts. If you can legally use a system called APRS (illegal to use airborne in the UK but common throughout the world) then you can use that, and we can integrate it onto the tracking map
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9AIQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9AIQ-11
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[15:00] <craag> Evya89: It might be worth emailing the list to find out if there's anyone else out there who can listen for you. We've had a couple of listeners appear out there for the circumnavigating balloons last year.
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[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3gbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3gbc_chase
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[16:55] <arjunnaha> ping UpuWork
[16:55] <arjunnaha> ping Upu
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[16:55] <Upu> hello
[16:55] <arjunnaha> Hello
[16:56] <arjunnaha> Received pi all and well, dl-fldigi can't seem to decode
[16:56] <daveake> Yuo're probably not tuned in correctly
[16:57] <arjunnaha> http://imgur.com/SXLlGJB
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[16:57] <daveake> Pi/Pits are basically incapable of encoding the signal incorrectly, so it's something at the rx end
[16:57] <PE2BZ> Good evening. Anyone any idea where the radiosonde RS41 currently at 404.250 north of Londen comes from ? It ´s not Reading....
[16:57] <Upu> your cursors aren't over the signal
[16:57] <daveake> ^^ this
[16:58] <daveake> Also your audio shift is too wide
[17:00] <arjunnaha> sorry Upu, what do you mean?
[17:00] <Upu> the red cursor need to be over the yellow signal
[17:00] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Untitled-1.jpg
[17:01] <daveake> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=decoding-with-dl-fldigi
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[17:22] <kswtch> What's the difference between FOX-1A and e.g. XW-2E? Why is there such a hype for FOX-1A?
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[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:32] <Upu> .flights
[17:32] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3)
[17:32] <Upu> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:32] <Upu> afk
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[17:37] <arjunnaha> Upu: could you message me
[17:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5AIQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5AIQ-11
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[17:57] <fsphil> another chance of aurora tonight
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> oh nice
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> here it rains and is overcast, so no watching of anything
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> anyone played with continual full frame imaging with CHDK?
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> I was wondering what ballpark fps I could get in raw mode for machine vision applications
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[18:16] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb_: you rage quit with the gopro?
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> no
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> lol
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> I'm looking at optical tracking as a back up method
[18:17] <Laurenceb_> DSLR around 150km away
[18:18] <mattbrejza> ah
[18:20] <Laurenceb_> looks like the answer is hiding on the wiki
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[18:20] <Laurenceb_> ~1fps seems to be max on most cameras
[18:20] <Laurenceb_> hello KD8 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
[18:21] <Laurenceb_> nice callsign (unless you are from Waco)
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> hmm http://i.imgur.com/3uyRWGJ.jpg interrupting someone at work is not good
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[18:31] <fsphil> that was my day today
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[18:34] <Ian_> Just when you have the environment and variables comfortably installed like a comfy coat of many colours . . . ring, ring!
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[18:36] <michal_f> !flights
[18:36] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08), 03BGS Launch 10(5fa3)
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[18:56] <Upu> ping arjunnaha
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[19:15] <Ian_> jcoxon, and here! :)
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[19:46] <arjunnaha> ping Upu
[19:47] <Upu> hi arjunnaha
[19:47] <arjunnaha> Hi Upu
[19:47] <arjunnaha> Still doesn't seem to be working, prob an issue on rx end but can't figure it out
[19:48] <Upu> lets have a remote session then
[19:48] <arjunnaha> I'm connecting now
[19:50] <Upu> kk
[19:52] <Upu> is it on ?
[19:53] <arjunnaha> Yes
[19:53] <arjunnaha> It says it is connected
[19:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FORESTHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FORESTHAB
[19:57] <daveake> Upu win
[19:57] <Upu> something odd
[19:57] <Upu> it needs RV
[19:57] <daveake> I-Q swapped then
[19:57] <Upu> AH dammity
[19:57] <daveake> or mistuned
[19:58] <Upu> ok
[19:58] <Upu> things :
[19:58] <Upu> 1/ Don't check spyvetor
[19:59] <Upu> 2/ Hit decimate as you can't find sh*t in 10Mhz of signal
[19:59] <Upu> 3/ Your bandwidth was too low (set to 3000)
[19:59] <Upu> 4/ Check swap IQ
[19:59] <Upu> 5/ Make sure you pick correct output device
[19:59] <Upu> 6/ Shift was too large
[20:00] <Upu> 7/ cursors weren't over signal
[20:00] <Upu> other than that good job
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[20:00] <arjunnaha> just quickly, how big should the shift be?
[20:00] <Upu> see those cursors ?
[20:00] <arjunnaha> yes
[20:01] <Upu> the red lines thin lines should be over the signal
[20:01] <Upu> put them on the signal now
[20:02] <Upu> yes
[20:02] <arjunnaha> got it
[20:02] <Upu> ok so the thin lines are the cursor
[20:02] <arjunnaha> Thanks very much
[20:02] <Upu> go back
[20:02] <Upu> carrier shift is the distance between those
[20:03] <Upu> and the recieve filter bandwidth is how wide the detection area is under those cursors
[20:03] <Upu> normally the same as the baud rate
[20:03] <Upu> so watch
[20:03] <Upu> see ?
[20:03] <arjunnaha> crystal clear
[20:04] <Upu> ok so watch those settings in SDR sharp
[20:04] <arjunnaha> let me save these settings
[20:05] <Upu> got it all ?
[20:05] <Upu> I should be about on Monday if you need it on the launch site
[20:05] <arjunnaha> Yes, all saved into a pdf ready for me to use!
[20:05] <arjunnaha> Well...
[20:06] <Upu> ok can I just show you SDRSharp just to explain
[20:06] <arjunnaha> Might not be able to launch on monday because of teacher availability
[20:06] <Upu> nps
[20:06] <arjunnaha> We have a window for the week
[20:07] <Upu> dl-fldigi can do 3000 bandwidth so use that
[20:07] <Upu> ensure swap IQ checked
[20:07] <Upu> and zoom in
[20:07] <Upu> anyway there you go all good
[20:07] <arjunnaha> thanks
[20:07] <Upu> disconnected
[20:07] <prog> funcube dongle?
[20:07] <arjunnaha> airspy
[20:07] <prog> no need to swap anything
[20:07] <prog> unless fldigi is crapped
[20:08] <prog> many things have changed since rev 1400
[20:08] <Upu> I think someone had been clicking random things prog as Spyvertor was checked too :)
[20:09] <prog> soon soon
[20:09] <arjunnaha> Don't look at me!
[20:09] <Upu> :)
[20:09] <arjunnaha> They were both fresh installs!
[20:10] <Upu> anwyay it looks like its on the right frequency now
[20:11] <Upu> did you like the temp sensor ?
[20:11] <arjunnaha> loved it
[20:11] <arjunnaha> machine solder?
[20:11] <arjunnaha> looked perfect
[20:11] <Upu> heh no Metcal :)
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[20:12] <arjunnaha> you should be proud of yourself ;-)
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> what package is that sensor?
[20:12] <arjunnaha> you should like be able to customise the pits when your order to have addons and stuff
[20:13] <arjunnaha> think its the DS18b20
[20:13] <arjunnaha> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IZTVHJQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:15] <Upu> yeah heavy :)
[20:16] <Upu> it is or it wouldn't have worked
[20:16] <Upu> I did toy with the idea of making it modular which we have done to a degree with the addon boards
[20:18] <Upu> that BMP you had in the box looked like it would fit the header but the pins were in different places
[20:18] <Upu> don't forget to use fresh batteries when you launch
[20:18] <arjunnaha> that's why I didn't install the BMP
[20:18] <arjunnaha> cba to solder that
[20:18] <arjunnaha> I will, don't worry!
[20:19] <Upu> try to use a little less solder and heat when you attach that
[20:19] <Upu> the pads aren't massive
[20:21] <arjunnaha> I need to get a new iron, old one hasn't got a variable temp
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[20:22] <Upu> yeah you'd lifed one of the temp sensor pads slightly
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[20:27] <arjunnaha> I'm pretty crap at soldering
[20:27] <arjunnaha> we had a whole terms worth of lessons on it and i'm still crap
[20:28] <Upu> practice
[20:28] <daveake> ^
[20:28] <Upu> but a decent iron does help
[20:28] <daveake> finally after 40 years of soldering I got a decent one :)
[20:29] <Upu> :)
[20:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AVA after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AVA
[20:29] <Upu> heh
[20:29] <daveake> I thought the previous Antex TC ones were decent
[20:29] <Upu> Alain testing again
[20:29] <daveake> till I tried a Metcsal
[20:29] <daveake> -s
[20:30] <Upu> I initially bawked at the cost but I use it every day
[20:30] <Upu> that one you got wasn't super expensive though
[20:30] <eroomde> JBC...
[20:31] <eroomde> just sayin
[20:31] <Upu> you know
[20:31] <Upu> I was just typing Ed likes his JBC
[20:31] <daveake> :)
[20:31] <daveake> I kept considering them
[20:31] <daveake> In the end I just decided how much I wanted to spend, then got the Metcal
[20:31] <eroomde> yeah
[20:32] <eroomde> also way more 2nd hand metcals and new tips on ebay
[20:32] <Upu> whats the name of that relatively cheap one thats good but hard to get in the UK
[20:32] <Upu> yellow case
[20:32] <eroomde> hakko?
[20:32] <Upu> thats the one
[20:32] <daveake> Yeah I now have 3 elements with my most used bits
[20:32] <daveake> so easy change
[20:32] <eroomde> fs 951 is the one to get atm
[20:32] <eroomde> fx*
[20:32] <Upu> this is a total bargin : http://www.dx.com/p/hanko-fx-888-70w-soldering-station-ac-220v-126505#.VhbS4CtIW2U
[20:32] <Upu> if they had nay
[20:33] <Upu> 951 is even better
[20:33] <Upu> £56
[20:33] <eroomde> 951 is so much better than the 888
[20:33] <Upu> my tips cost more than that
[20:33] <eroomde> used both side by side
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[20:33] <eroomde> they've really made a lot of improvements
[20:36] <arjunnaha> I can prob stretch to £100, what would I get with that?
[20:36] <eroomde> 888
[20:37] <eroomde> or a 2nd hand metcal on ebay
[20:37] <Upu> Christmas is coming
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[20:37] <arjunnaha> I'm getting the new Moto360
[20:37] <mbales> santa never brings me the hakko i ask for
[20:37] <Upu> you've been a bad boy then :)
[20:38] <mbales> :( i never remember to clean the tips
[20:39] <eroomde> jbc has a tip sleep thing
[20:39] <eroomde> turns it off when in the holster
[20:39] <eroomde> it's hot again by the time you've lifted it from the holder to the workpeice
[20:40] <eroomde> but it saves tips sitting there cooking
[20:40] <Upu> yeah the metcals do that, I think they detect the power use and if it doesn't change they assume you're not using it
[20:40] <mbales> ooo thats fancy
[20:40] <eroomde> it's nice
[20:40] <eroomde> really helps tip life
[20:40] <Upu> useful when you get called away on the phone
[20:41] <mbales> but how will i start fires now?
[20:41] <eroomde> or just forget
[20:41] <eroomde> because you were brought up in a house with an Aga
[20:42] <mbales> Aga?
[20:42] <Upu> big old oil/wood fired cooker
[20:43] <Upu> cook your food and literally heat your house
[20:43] <daveake> You got those the wrong way round :)
[20:43] <mbales> ah
[20:44] <daveake> Remember Bond's old house being blown up in Skyfall? The Aga was still standing.
[20:45] <mbales> hahaha
[20:45] <eroomde> they are always on
[20:45] <eroomde> moving to a house with a normal oven took adjusting
[20:45] <eroomde> always left the oven on
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[20:46] <mbales> so the old joke about leaving the oven on doesnt really apply
[20:47] <eroomde> maybe aga should make a soldering iron
[20:47] <eroomde> always runs out of oil just when you have a huge emergency batch of boards to solder
[20:47] <Upu> hah it would still struggled with Westflex > N-Type
[20:49] <mbales> wow, oldest still operational one was installed in 1932
[20:49] <Upu> just run in
[20:49] <gonzo_nb> I always like using moded n types to solder on to heliax
[20:49] <gonzo_nb> rally tests an iron
[20:50] <gonzo_nb> really
[20:51] <eroomde> you can solder a 2p coin to a sheet of copperclad with the jbc with the same tip you were just using for doing 0402 components
[20:51] <eroomde> the thermal performace is just extraordinary
[20:51] <eroomde> just makes a beautiful fillet round the coin quite happily
[20:51] <Upu> might try that tommorrow :)
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[21:04] <adamgreig> the jbcs are real nice
[21:04] <adamgreig> got to use soton's
[21:04] <adamgreig> still quite like my mx500 and it does the same sleep thing when you put it in the holder
[21:04] <adamgreig> it's not based on how much you use it
[21:05] <adamgreig> the holder has a magnet
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[21:09] <Upu> oh does it ? I thought it went on the power usage
[21:10] <adamgreig> if you listen carefully you can hear it slowly shutting down as it comes closer to the stand
[21:11] <adamgreig> on my mx500 anyway which has a slightly noisy coil somewhere :p
[21:11] <adamgreig> but yea it's definitely actively detecting the stand and shutting down
[21:11] <adamgreig> stays v hot in my older stand which doesn't have the magnet
[21:11] <adamgreig> so it does power usage too
[21:11] <adamgreig> in so much as the power delivered to the tip depends on its temperature, so that's how it keeps it at tmeperature
[21:11] <adamgreig> but the stand puts it into a low temperature state where you can leave it for ages
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> how much was it?
[21:13] <adamgreig> hmm I paid £140 at a ham rally?
[21:13] <adamgreig> 2nd or 3rd hand
[21:14] <adamgreig> built like a literal brick though so..
[21:14] <arjunnaha> Upu, did you solder the GPIO header to the Pi?
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> I got a weller whs40d
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> but it is a red one, so one of the "hobby" models, not like the greenish blue "industrial" models
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> and it shows sometimes, the 50W wellers we have from the uni are a bit quicker in melting and "feel better"
[21:22] <Upu> can do but those were all done at a company arjunnaha
[21:22] <Upu> I soldered that 1x3 header for the temp sensor
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[21:25] <arjunnaha> Can't remember them being soldered, but I got a sh*t memory
[21:31] <Upu> Oh I screwed the standoffs in for your
[21:31] <Upu> as you'd missed 2 screws off
[21:32] <arjunnaha> I took them out with pliers as I had damaged the screw head so much!
[21:32] <arjunnaha> Was planning to replace...
[21:39] <michal_f> how much time does it take to inflate Hwoyee 1200 ?
[21:41] <Upu> depends what valve you have
[21:41] <Upu> where the gas is coming from
[21:41] <Upu> but ~ 10 mins
[21:42] <arjunnaha> Has anyone else got the Genie tanks?
[21:43] <arjunnaha> First time with tank and didn't know how to open reg. (n00b slap).
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[21:44] <arjunnaha> Then pressed down on it and scared the living sh*t of out my friend standing in front of it
[21:45] <michal_f> whis one is fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-xmaPSZ6GM
[21:46] <daveake> Sudden tank noises are much more effective when the tank contains H2
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[21:47] <arjunnaha> And happens to be the right amount to mix with oxygen...
[21:49] <michal_f> when I asked about H2 I was shown this balloon burn movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQvpK9cl0No
[21:49] <michal_f> (you probably know it already)
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