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[03:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL1NBR-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-11
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[04:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS6SRC-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS6SRC-13
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[05:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS6SRC-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS6SRC-12
[05:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS6SRC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS6SRC-11
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[06:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Charlie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Charlie_chase
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[06:23] <verox> hello
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[06:23] <SP9UOB> hello
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[06:23] <SP9UOB> please cancel dba8fa4ca4d811e8ee39487ca5ccd2a4
[06:23] <SP9UOB> and approve: cc5247274b3920e019a50a693aa7dc08
[06:24] <sp6ryd> not 03:00 ?
[06:26] <SP9UOB> im lainching in a few minutes
[06:27] <sp6ryd> rx on @250 :)
[06:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-12 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-12
[06:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HSE-01_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HSE-01_chase
[06:29] <SP9UOB> sp6ryd is up !
[06:31] <sp6ryd> I need to wait for right azimuth in my location :)
[06:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS5LT-9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS5LT-9_chase
[06:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03sp9uob after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sp9uob
[06:44] <SP9UOB> sp6ryd: up and running
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[07:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-12
[07:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hijack_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hijack_chase
[07:12] <RealBorg> interesting, google is testing its drones in australia
[07:13] <RealBorg> someone in here from .au?
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[07:41] <Maxell> Mogguh!
[07:42] <PH3V> Mogguh! .... In afwachting van aan deze kant...
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[07:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARRY1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARRY1
[07:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wonder if BARRY1 is going to fly ? Outside there NOTAM 07:00-08:00 BST
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[07:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its up
[07:52] <SP9UOB> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=6&qm=1_day&mc=50.51261,21.82111&f=sp9uob&q=sp9uob
[07:52] <SP9UOB> Over horizon propagation :-)
[07:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial barry1
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARRY1 10(496e): 03434.4999 MHz
[07:52] <jarod> yup http://x264.nl/dump/10c-north-yorkshire_snr-14db.jpg
[07:52] <jarod> :)
[07:53] <SP9UOB> :-)
[07:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[07:55] <dbrooke> BARRY1 is wider shift than advertised, more like 700Hz
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[07:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good to know
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[07:56] <SP5NON> Good morning all, dzien dobry
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[08:06] <sa6bss-mike-mobi> Verry good tropo over large part of north /north west europe
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[08:07] <SP9UOB> sa6bss-mike-mobi: my pico is revceived over the horizon :-) You should try @144.250 MHz
[08:09] <SP9UOB> beyond the horizon ;-)
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[08:10] <sa6bss-mike-mobi> Will be home in an hour, Will listen
[08:10] <SP9UOB> cool
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[08:11] <PE2G> !flights
[08:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03NLDPH01 10(a7a2), 03MONDO - 14A 10(6c84), 03BARRY1 10(496e), 03LORA1 10(d2bc), 03LORA2 10(e1bc), 03LORA3 10(fcff), 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08)
[08:11] <PE2G> !dial 496e
[08:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03BARRY1 10(496e): 03434.6491 MHz, 434.50021 MHz, 434.4999 MHz, 434.252 MHz, 434.50043 MHz
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[08:20] <Maxell> WidebandFM QRM on 70cm :(
[08:20] <Maxell> for BARRY1
[08:21] <PE2G> Maxell: Terrible here too :(
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[08:35] <Maxell> PE2G: however, BARRY1 is strong enough to leave two big fat marks on the waterfall :)
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[08:37] <somisary> hello, operator of BARRY1 here, thank you all for helping track it!
[08:38] <Maxell> No problem. I enjoy tracking balloons that require some fiddeling. :)
[08:38] <Maxell> QRM wise :D
[08:38] <Maxell> And there are suffcient other that have 100% signal so BARRY1 will be fine.
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[08:40] <pb0ahx> good morning to all habbers
[08:41] <Maxell> pb0ahx: Good morning Herman!
[08:41] <pb0ahx> morning jeroen
[08:41] <PE2G> Maxell: Unable to discern any RTTY traces in this QRM mess yet
[08:41] <Maxell> 433.5 MHz is the center for some Wideband FM here... Time to do some fox hunting on that wireless headphone.
[08:43] <SP9UOB> Maxell: ant then magnetron tube from microwave oven and burn it !
[08:43] <Maxell> SP9UOB: Just beeping some FM carrier had no effect.
[08:44] <Maxell> I suspect the owners of this device to have forgotten about it
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[08:46] <Maxell> So just foxhunting it and then just putting some flyer about the problem in all the nearby houses should do the trick :)
[08:48] <fsphil> http://hackaday.com/2015/10/02/party-balloon-crosses-atlantic-tours-europe-phones-home/
[08:48] <fsphil> how quickly people forget :)
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[08:49] <Maxell> Dont worry about the amateurs.
[08:49] <Maxell> According to http://www.noaa.gov/features/02_monitoring/balloon.html The National Weather Service recovers less than 20 percent of the 75,000 radiosondes released each year.
[08:49] <Maxell> fsphil: :(
[08:49] <Maxell> afk time for some grocyries
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[09:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03S2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S2
[09:14] <craag> woah quite a wind shear there
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[09:15] <craag> looked like burst on the wfall, and has suddenly 180ed in direction
[09:15] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/BARRY1
[09:15] <fsphil> is the camera upside down?
[09:16] <craag> I'd guess so :P
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[09:18] <craag> PE2BZ: Re your email
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[09:18] <craag> Those values define the pin that the gateway software listens on for the 'received packet' interrupt from the radio module
[09:19] <craag> So if it's incorrect, the gateway won't know it's received any packets..
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[09:20] <PE2BZ> craag Thanks for the explanation! That surely would explain why I did receive no packets at all during last flights.
[09:20] <PE2BZ> !flights
[09:20] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03NLDPH01 10(a7a2), 03MONDO - 14A 10(6c84), 03BARRY1 10(496e), 03LORA1 10(d2bc), 03LORA2 10(e1bc), 03LORA3 10(fcff), 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08)
[09:21] <PE2BZ> !payload 6c84
[09:21] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03MONDO-14 10(6c84) 03$$MONDO-14 - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:21] <PE2BZ> !dial 6c84
[09:21] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03MONDO-14 10(6c84): none
[09:22] <craag> PE2BZ: He's planning to launch in about 3.5 hours from now.
[09:22] <craag> (1300 UTC)
[09:23] <PE2BZ> craag I will tell the PI to wait patiently ! Good luck with the launch !
[09:23] <PE2BZ> !payload barry1
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03BARRY1 10(496e) 03$$BARRY1 - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/450Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[09:27] <PE2BZ> Anyone can tell me the right shift for Barry1 ?
[09:27] <craag> 600hz
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[09:27] <PE2BZ> tnx
[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm running at 750Hz shift
[09:29] <daveake> I really need to add that "flip camera images" option to PITS :/
[09:30] <daveake> well, rotate
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[09:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps have a sensor on the back of the camera itself to signal orientaion!
[09:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> +t
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[09:30] <daveake> Perhaps look for the horizon and figure it out :)
[09:30] <David__________> abc
[09:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> doesn't work for downward looking cameras ;-)
[09:31] <daveake> nope
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[09:31] <daveake> I am disappointed that nobody ever just modifies the code to fix things like that
[09:32] <daveake> I even have a suppot page explaining it
[09:32] <daveake> +r
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Know what you mean it doesn't take that much thinking about, but I suspect once pepole
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> have there first flight out the way they might get better at that sort of thing
[09:32] <daveake> Mostly the payload gets built late on, and people don't want to change anything that late
[09:33] <M0NRD> talking of images, going to add exif to geo-tag my next flight images.. did I say next flight don't tell the wife
[09:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good idea does make it easier for working out things later!
[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PE1RQM_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE1RQM_chase
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[09:43] <garymortimer> morning all
[09:43] <PE2BZ> PE2BZ starts humming a song about flying high....
[09:43] <PE2BZ> Good morning !
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[09:45] <Maxell> PE2BZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_KyuZMsnA
[09:45] <Maxell> lekkah
[09:46] <PE2BZ> Maxell 100% right
[09:47] <Upu> it would be fair to say the concerns about lack of coverage for BARRY1 were unfounded
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[09:48] <Maxell> Upu: how so? No annoucement?
[09:49] <Maxell> Or just the 300 baud tradeoff.
[09:49] <Upu> somisary was concerned about people listeners
[09:49] <Upu> that there wouldn't be many
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[09:49] <Maxell> \o/ all is fine
[09:50] <craag> I think that was just the convo where M0JFP said there was no websdr coverage in cambs
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[09:51] <craag> would be the ideal place for a 433.7 - 434.7 websdr :)
[09:51] <garymortimer> my house
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[09:51] <daveake> :)
[09:51] <PE2BZ> I missed the announcement of Barry1, I started IRC for my LoRa questions and ran into this flight...
[09:51] <craag> It was announced last night..
[09:51] <Northants> Whats the RTTY Shift for BARRY1 please as its not the same as auto-configure
[09:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did they have a Rx at launch site ? I didn't see any packets come in till other Rx them ?
[09:51] <craag> Northants: 600hz
[09:51] <Northants> thanks
[09:52] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: may not have had internet
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[09:52] <PE2BZ> One of those last minute flights ;-)
[09:52] <Maxell> craag: Northants: I have ~700 Hz here
[09:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Appreciate but wasn't sure if he had one with him
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[09:53] <craag> It looks like more because there's a destructive interference pattern on the inside edges
[09:53] <Northants> Maxell.... I had it around 650... but 500 looks a little better
[09:53] <Maxell> It's 300 baud eh...
[09:53] <garymortimer> for sdr location teh border of essex/cambs/herts is the highest bit I think
[09:53] <craag> 600hz will still line up the filter correctly
[09:54] <garymortimer> On top of Ely catherdral would be good as well
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[09:54] <craag> however afc is broken as it works on rf power, not data
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[09:55] <SP9UOB> UK folks, could You try to listen @144.250 USB (dial)? We have very good tropo on 2 meters band today
[09:55] <Maxell> SP9UOB: whats the expected signal? CW?
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[09:57] <SP9UOB> Maxell: cw letters HI and domex16 every 3 minutes
[09:58] <Maxell> tnx let mee see :)
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[09:58] <SP9UOB> Maxell: vertical
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[09:59] <Maxell> whoooooooooop
[09:59] <Maxell> whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop
[09:59] <Maxell> dat carrier
[09:59] <SM0ULC> ?
[10:00] <SP9UOB> Maxell: i'll let You know when domino start
[10:00] <Maxell> Something just spuring out carrier thats is doing a low to high chirp
[10:00] <Maxell> Now at 144.256 kHz
[10:00] <Maxell> MHz
[10:01] <SP9UOB> now
[10:01] <SP9UOB> 144.250
[10:02] <Maxell> Negative from The Hague
[10:02] <SP9UOB> Maxell: roger that
[10:02] <SP9UOB> thanks
[10:03] <SM0ULC> daveake about to start his lora tripple?
[10:03] <Maxell> :)
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[10:04] <Maxell> BARRY1 weaker then before near the horizon... Condx working against us :)
[10:05] <pb0ahx> SP9UOB, i turn now the antennes in ur direction on 2 mtr
[10:05] <SP9UOB> pb0ahx: ok :-)
[10:06] <pb0ahx> i using a 10 ele and a pa3biy lna antenne is 22mtr agl
[10:07] <SP9UOB> pb0ahx: 144.250 + 1211 Hz
[10:07] <SP9UOB> pb0ahx: starting now
[10:07] <fsphil> Maxell: that's also the sound of da police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A572eclLc68
[10:08] <Maxell> fsphil: nice :)
[10:08] <SP9UOB> fsphil: The Police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs
[10:09] <pb0ahx> SP9UOB, sri nothing til now
[10:10] <Maxell> SP9UOB: let me check with http://websdr.pi1nos.ampr.org:8901/
[10:10] <pb0ahx> but i monitoring him now
[10:10] <SP9UOB> pb0ahx: too far for 3 miliwatts :-)
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[10:10] <Maxell> SP9UOB: 160m AGL :)
[10:13] <pb0ahx> now he is transmitting
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[10:17] <Maxell> pb0ahx: you hear it?
[10:19] <pb0ahx> i hrd some sound on 144.251.4
[10:20] <SP9UOB> domino ex in a 30 seconds
[10:20] <SP9UOB> now !
[10:21] <SP9UOB> stopped
[10:21] <SP9UOB> morse HI for 3 minutes
[10:21] <pb0ahx> no sri
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[10:21] <eroomde> chimpusmaximus: enjoyed your writeup. are the fullsize outputs of the rx100 available anywhere?
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[10:21] <michal_f> hi
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NLDPH01 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NLDPH01
[10:22] <Maxell> Woei!
[10:23] <Maxell> !dial NLDPH01
[10:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03Dutchhab 0.9 10(a7a2): none
[10:24] <Maxell> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/7QK0UHut9jM/pAyjM-EACAAJ
[10:24] <Maxell> 434.650MHz, using a shift of 460Hz, 50 baud, 7 bit no parity and 2 stop bits
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[10:24] <Maxell> QRM free. Woei! :D
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[10:28] <PE2G> NLDPH01 up
[10:29] <PE2G> NLDPH01 on 434.649 MHz
[10:29] <Maxell> NIC!!!
[10:29] <Maxell> Slight QRM... FM carriers drifting around :(
[10:30] <Maxell> We have signal!
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[10:31] <PE2G> :)
[10:31] <Maxell> Over the horizon signal. Quite some fading going on.
[10:32] <Maxell> Slightly drifting upwards. Autoconfigure is 100% correct.
[10:32] <Maxell> First green!
[10:33] <Maxell> !dial NLDPH01
[10:33] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03Dutchhab 0.9 10(a7a2): 03434.64861 MHz
[10:33] <Maxell> roger roger!
[10:33] <daveake> stream up http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[10:34] <garymortimer> good show
[10:34] <fsphil> nice to see it's not just dull grey here
[10:35] <fsphil> daveake: that table looks much too well organised
[10:35] <daveake> lol
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[10:45] <G8FJG> NLDPH01 condx good today seen the trace on and off almost from liftoff...but no decode yet
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[10:47] <PA3WEG> !flights
[10:47] <SpacenearUS> 03PA3WEG: Current flights: 03NLDPH01 10(a7a2), 03MONDO - 14A 10(6c84), 03BARRY1 10(496e), 03LORA1 10(d2bc), 03LORA2 10(e1bc), 03LORA3 10(fcff), 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08)
[10:47] <PA3WEG> !dial a7a2
[10:47] <SpacenearUS> 03PA3WEG: Latest dials for 03Dutchhab 0.9 10(a7a2): 03100 MHz, 1410 MHz, 434.64861 MHz, 434.6475 MHz
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[10:48] <PA3WEG> nice, dials enough, no need to hook up the CIV interface
[10:48] <PA3WEG> GA all
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[10:57] <G8FJG> o$LDPH2 ,180,0;e$s^2Z,
[10:57] <Maxell> PA3WEG: I have 434.648 MHz, audio @ 2308 Hz
[10:58] <Maxell> A bit high up I see..
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LORA1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA1
[10:59] <G8FJG> close $$NLDPH01,292,10:58:17,%2.248656,6.072878,8125,10,28.d,356,28.2$AR
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LORA3 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA3
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LORA2 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA2
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[11:03] <Maxell> dutchtux: Hi, everything going allright there?
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL4MDW - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW
[11:04] <dutchtux> launch went very smooth :)
[11:06] <Maxell> Rapid drifting down!
[11:13] <michal_f> !flights
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03NLDPH01 10(a7a2), 03MONDO - 14A 10(6c84), 03BARRY1 10(496e), 03LORA1 10(d2bc), 03LORA2 10(e1bc), 03LORA3 10(fcff), 03SP9UOB pico 20 - 144.250MHz DOMEX16 10(dc08)
[11:15] <michal_f> what freq is dl1nbr--11, can't see it in flight list
[11:15] <Maxell> michal_f: I think it's APRS imported.
[11:15] <Maxell> So 144.800 MHz FM
[11:15] <Maxell> AFSK 1200
[11:15] <michal_f> thx
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[11:16] <michal_f> what is the dl-fldigi conf for smth like this ?
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[11:19] <somisary> Big thank you to everyone who helped tracked BARRY1, we have since successfully recovered it!
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> dl-fldigi doesn't handle AX25 / APRS as such
[11:20] <michal_f> ahh ok
[11:20] <michal_f> I can see the signal strong, though I'm far away
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you need a seperate decoder they are around for most OS's
[11:20] <PE2G> michal_f: Try this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmm/
[11:20] <michal_f> ty
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[11:24] <michal_f> what mode is for SDR#: USB or other ?
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[11:24] <craag> michal_f: It's Narrow FM
[11:25] <craag> You should then hear something like fast rtty
[11:25] <craag> but it's not, needs an AFSK1200/AX25/APRS decoder
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK3SB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-11
[11:25] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/NLDPH01-2015-10-03.jpg \o/
[11:26] <craag> listten to 144.8 on http://websdr.suws.org.uk/ to hear some live samples
[11:26] <michal_f> ok, got it ! thx
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[11:33] <daveake> up
[11:34] <daveake> repeating still working in all directins, as you'd expect :)
[11:34] <eroomde> bash: up: command not found
[11:34] <eroomde> man up
[11:34] <eroomde> no manual entry for up
[11:34] <eroomde> man the f*ck up
[11:34] <eroomde> shutting down now
[11:34] <daveake> lol
[11:35] <daveake> sudo killall eroomde :)
[11:35] <SP9UOB> http://www.gelb-rot.de/img/sudo.jpg
[11:36] <eroomde> http://junkee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/WhatYearIsIt.jpg
[11:36] <M0SCJ> !dial d2bc
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> 03M0SCJ: Latest dials for 03LORA1 10(d2bc): none
[11:38] <craag> woo lora rx on websdr
[11:38] <craag> beyond horizon :)
[11:38] <daveake> nice esp with 62kHz
[11:38] <daveake> craag seeing the unlaunched ones too ?
[11:38] <craag> yes
[11:38] <craag> all
[11:38] <craag> :D
[11:38] <daveake> cool
[11:39] <daveake> again, no suprise really
[11:39] <garymortimer> where is the next node?
[11:39] <daveake> on a table
[11:39] <craag> 1,2,3,1,,1,2,3,1 so far :)
[11:39] <daveake> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
[11:39] <daveake> bound to miss some as the payload spins/swings
[11:40] <garymortimer> so the others are being repeated via the first balloon
[11:40] <daveake> yup
[11:40] <garymortimer> ohhh thats too cool
[11:40] <daveake> all 3 have exactly the same code except for their ID and slot numbers
[11:40] <daveake> 3 balloons 9 slots
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ARY1T - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARY1T
[11:40] <daveake> Like I said, this bit isn't surprising
[11:41] <daveake> What I want to see is a landed payload still being repeated :)
[11:41] <fsphil> hah
[11:41] <garymortimer> how many distributed nodes are there around the country
[11:41] <chimpusmaximus> eroomde: https://goo.gl/photos/773pCvrEkRw4KQmJ8
[11:41] <fsphil> if you hold of the last one for a while I might hear it before it's launched :)
[11:41] <daveake> that probably doesn't matter
[11:42] <garymortimer> and what software do you use to decode via websdr
[11:42] <eroomde> chimpusmaximus: thanks
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[11:42] <daveake> so long as 1 is in the air and receivable by someone, with (possibly a lot of) luck the downed ones will get repeated
[11:42] <Maxell> SP9UOB: original: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png
[11:42] <daveake> fsphil hah :)
[11:42] <garymortimer> so if I flew a simple RC glider to altitude that would help the cause in this case
[11:42] <daveake> well notam is till 3
[11:43] <garymortimer> if i were there not South Africa of course
[11:43] <craag> garymortimer: It's a pi with an rfm module split off the websdr 70cm antenna
[11:43] <daveake> lora1 will burst approx 2:45
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[11:44] <garymortimer> Ah I see thanks craag. No plug in for dlfldigi or such then
[11:44] <daveake> good job btw craag you have a nice setup
[11:44] <fsphil> I'm using the yagi but there are trees in the way. I don't know how it'll perform here
[11:44] <daveake> you are the upu of the south :p
[11:44] <daveake> (well the old upu before he lost his woo)
[11:44] <fsphil> betaupu
[11:45] <craag> garymortimer: no it's a proprietary mode, no working software receiver yet, also 60KHz wide!
[11:45] <daveake> G6GZH now in the party
[11:45] <garymortimer> yeah I have some here, must do something with them
[11:45] <craag> heh thanks dave
[11:46] <Maxell> craag: 60KHz wide?! How do you specifiy frequency then? By the center frequency?
[11:46] <fsphil> pretty much every mode is by centre frequency
[11:46] <garymortimer> so much excitement calls for the opening of a beer down here
[11:46] <craag> freq is specified as the freq you write into the register ;)
[11:46] <craag> you might be able to see it on the sdr when it's stronger
[11:47] <DL1SGP> !dial NLDPH01
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> 03DL1SGP: Latest dials for 03Dutchhab 0.9 10(a7a2): 031410 MHz, 434.649 MHz, 434.64861 MHz, 434.64647 MHz, 434.6475 MHz, 434.64782 MHz, 434.6473 MHz
[11:47] <garymortimer> Its a Basset Breweries The Dog Father
[11:49] <daveake> right I'll do lora2 now then hold off on lora3 for a bit
[11:49] <garymortimer> can the data through nodes be seen anywhere?
[11:50] <garymortimer> ie what is repeating where and how
[11:50] <craag> not easily
[11:50] <craag> as packets aren't tagged when repeated
[11:50] <daveake> Only by timing ... the repeats are on a timed basis
[11:51] <craag> you might be able to work it out from habitat timestamps though
[11:51] <daveake> I just tried to keep it really simple for this one
[11:51] <craag> hmm I'll turn on logging
[11:51] <daveake> next time I'll add the repeating node # and the RSSI
[11:51] <daveake> please :)
[11:52] <daveake> I could turn my gateway off and still have the launch packets captured :)
[11:52] <craag> done
[11:53] <chimpusmaximus> Not sure if my gateway will get anything.. must be over 150km away
[11:54] <craag> should then be able to parse by timestamp for repeats
[11:55] <craag> visualising it will be fun :)
[11:56] <fsphil> right, node running. hopefully configured correctly
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[11:57] <craag> 434.453, Explicit, 62.5k, SF8, EC4:8
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Hope fully should be coming in range very shortly ....
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[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah CRC errors
[11:59] <fsphil> ok the mode is correct
[11:59] <fsphil> frequency too
[12:00] <fsphil> there are two RFM modules on this board, hopefully I'm on the right one :)
[12:00] <craag> heh
[12:00] <craag> also check DIO mapping
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> got first
[12:00] <dbrooke> I'm logging the LoRa with timestamps (NTP locked to the NTPi in the garage too)
[12:01] <craag> I can beat that, lora rx pi has pps ntp on it :)
[12:01] <craag> (ntp.suws.org.uk)
[12:02] <dbrooke> I don't think my NTPi is publically accessible
[12:02] <fsphil> glad you said that craag, was using the wrong one
[12:03] <craag> :)
[12:03] <fsphil> rssi value is bouncing about so hopefully all's good
[12:03] <craag> first thing you'll see is some crc fails
[12:03] <craag> followed abt 30s later by a decode :)
[12:04] <craag> maybe a little longer at your angle
[12:04] <fsphil> been a while since I tried lora, can't remember
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[12:05] <astrobiologist> does anybody want to do ukhasnet... with seeds?
[12:05] <craag> astrobiologist: go on...
[12:05] <astrobiologist> https://webapps2.is.qmul.ac.uk/jobs/job.action?jobRef=QMUL6627
[12:06] <eroomde> do you have any seed funding?
[12:06] <astrobiologist> eroomde boom boom
[12:06] <fsphil> this has potential for growth
[12:06] <astrobiologist> you're killing me
[12:07] <eroomde> we could apply to Y-Germinator
[12:08] <eroomde> this sentence makes no sense Applicants are expected to demonstrate outstanding experience in use of sensors and data collection (e.g., use of off-the-shelf kits, or self-designed sensors based on Intel Edison/Arduino/etc).
[12:09] <astrobiologist> why doesn't it make sense? seriously it what you guys do it all the time. even I have an ntx2b and an ublox7, admittedly not connected to anything yet :-)
[12:10] <eroomde> i know outstanding instrumentation people
[12:10] <eroomde> they don't use maker-kits
[12:11] <eroomde> this is the kind of thing that riles people - actual good knowledge of fundamentals of electronics and analogue design is sacrificed at the alter of buzzword bingo
[12:11] <eroomde> anyway never mind me
[12:11] <craag> they're not really looking for outstanding people
[12:11] <eroomde> good luck etc
[12:11] <astrobiologist> I reckon ukhasnet is mature enough to be a serious player for this. the fact that it is "homemade" is a big advantage costwise. so it would be the best of both worlds
[12:11] <eroomde> i'll go back into the shed
[12:12] <astrobiologist> eroomde go on, have a go! 30K is a bit parsimonious though
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[12:12] <fsphil> the hack shack
[12:12] <craag> 30K - london
[12:12] <astrobiologist> craag yes, ouch
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[12:13] <eroomde> academia is often city-blind
[12:13] <eroomde> annoying really
[12:13] <astrobiologist> I was wondering quite what they have in mind. the advert reached me via an installation artist (one who is a very good hacker, mind you)
[12:14] <craag> err LORA1 off?
[12:14] <craag> oh back
[12:14] <craag> just some swinging maybe
[12:14] <craag> getting a fair few crc fails now
[12:15] <eroomde> craag: that said, someone straight out of uni could do that job
[12:15] <astrobiologist> craag I prefer my balloon payloads to be serially monogamous
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[12:15] <astrobiologist> well, if you know anybody who knows ukhasnet or some other protocol, then maybe pass it on. better than a pig in a poke
[12:15] <craag> Yes if I had nothing else on I'd jump at it
[12:16] <craag> Sounds like you'd basically get free reign to play with sensor networks
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[12:16] <astrobiologist> and sounds almost fun, unlike the superfocussed dullness of a lot of academia
[12:16] <craag> with no expectation of anything more than an arduino on a breadboard at the end :P
[12:17] <craag> astrobiologist: Post it to the ukhasnet mailing list :)
[12:17] <junderwood> !dial NLDPH01
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Latest dials for 03Dutchhab 0.9 10(a7a2): 03100 MHz, 1410 MHz, 434.649 MHz, 434.64861 MHz, 434.64647 MHz, 434.64746 MHz, 434.6474 MHz, 434.6473 MHz, 434.64744 MHz, 434.64932 MHz, 434.6475 MHz
[12:17] <fsphil> the "Fireball" station on the tracker is in the right location
[12:17] <fsphil> in the sea
[12:17] <astrobiologist> craag I already have, but will it get past the moderators? :-o
[12:18] <craag> astrobiologist: The ukhas or ukhasnet?
[12:18] <craag> I see nothing in ukhasnet queue..
[12:18] <daveake> up2
[12:19] <astrobiologist> ah yes I posted to the ukhas one
[12:19] <craag> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhasnet
[12:20] <craag> daveake: lora2 direct :)
[12:20] <daveake> woo
[12:20] <daveake> that's quick
[12:21] <craag> no idea how..
[12:21] <craag> but picked it up in 2 successive timeslots
[12:21] <daveake> 554m ... that's only 400 above ground
[12:21] <daveake> nice
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[12:21] <craag> 12:20:12 Ch1: $$LORA2,
[12:21] <craag> 12:20:15 Ch1: $$LORA2,
[12:21] <daveake> you won't get 3 just yet :)
[12:21] <craag> err
[12:21] <craag> maybe not
[12:21] <daveake> ah
[12:22] <craag> ill check the log file - noticed that has different timestamps
[12:22] <daveake> ok
[12:22] <craag> logfile records as :11 and :15
[12:23] <astrobiologist> I should be on ukhasnet now and have reposted there, when you have a spare mo please let me know if it goes through ok
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[12:24] <craag> posted to ukhasnet astrobiologist
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[12:25] <craag> reliably now getting 1,1,2,2,3,3
[12:25] <craag> looks like that was a lucky legit rx earlier!
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[12:26] <craag> ham folks have been mentioning excellent vhf/uhf conditions today
[12:26] <tweetBot> @daveake: That's an impressive receiver list for a payload that's still on the ground! The power of airborne repeaters! #UKHAS http://t.co/NjQpDqHy9I
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MONDO-14 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-14
[12:29] <daveake> Need more wind; these things are too close to me :/
[12:29] <daveake> I think I'll launch lora3 close to 3pm, so it's still airborne after the other 2 have landed
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !dial mondo-14
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Latest dials for 03MONDO-14 10(6c84): none
[12:30] <daveake> notam is up to 3pm
[12:30] <garymortimer> Mondo is going to check out Ely for an SDR site
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[12:35] <dutchtux> 34km :-)
[12:36] <PE2BZ> and rising !
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[12:38] <daveake> I like this not-chasing thing; very relaxing :)
[12:40] <Maxell> burst
[12:40] <Maxell> for NLDPH01
[12:40] <PA3WEG> check
[12:41] <garymortimer> who is catching them Dave?
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[12:42] <daveake> me eventually
[12:42] <garymortimer> oic
[12:42] <daveake> I want to see at least 1 maybe 2 land before going out
[12:44] <PA3WEG> dutchtux: what is the balloon used?
[12:44] <PA3WEG> Hwoyee 1500?
[12:44] <dutchtux> 800
[12:44] <dutchtux> special edition ;)
[12:44] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Hans, can you turn on your chase on the map?
[12:45] <Maxell> 36261 meters is the maximum height for NLDPH01
[12:46] <PA3WEG> extra special
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[12:47] <PA3WEG> looks like you would need a passport to chase it ;)
[12:48] <jarod> or just throw it away
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[12:49] <Martin_G4FUI> !dial LORA3
[12:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Martin_G4FUI: Latest dials for 03LORA3 10(fcff): none
[12:49] <Martin_G4FUI> !dial LORA2
[12:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Martin_G4FUI: Latest dials for 03LORA2 10(e1bc): none
[12:50] <Martin_G4FUI> !dial LORA1
[12:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Martin_G4FUI: Latest dials for 03LORA1 10(d2bc): none
[12:50] <craag> Martin_G4FUI: They're all on 434.450
[12:50] <craag> But they're lora-only
[12:51] <daveake> fsphil Let me know when you're rx-ing then I can launch :)
[12:51] <Martin_G4FUI> Thanks craag - does that mean I can't track?
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[12:52] <craag> Martin_G4FUI: Not without a lora receiver
[12:54] <Martin_G4FUI> Thanks. I might as well switch off then! :(
[12:54] <craag> I think Mondo is launching rtty from elsworth later
[12:54] <daveake> yup
[12:54] <DL1SGP> Martin_G4FUI: there should be the Mondo flight soon
[12:54] <DL1SGP> that will be something to track for you :) I think
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[12:55] <Martin_G4FUI> After frantically Googling "LoRa", I think I'd better stick with RTTY for now! :)
[12:56] <daveake> It's easy, and cheap
[12:57] <Martin_G4FUI> "shaping up as disruptive technology" - lost me already I'm afraid ...
[12:57] <daveake> Just need a Pi and one of Upu's LoRa boards
[12:57] <daveake> oh ignore the bs
[12:57] <DL1SGP> mondo in air
[12:57] <Martin_G4FUI> Have Pi(s)
[12:57] <Martin_G4FUI> Better do some reading up!
[12:58] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1719
[12:59] <Martin_G4FUI> Thanks, daveake!
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[13:01] <garymortimer> how far out to a thinner version of this Dave, its a little bacon filled at the minute. A pico version.
[13:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ria-20a_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ria-20a_chase
[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sq2dn/5_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sq2dn%2F5_chase
[13:03] <craag> current lora rx in the uk: http://i.imgur.com/Ajx25kX.png
[13:03] <daveake> cheer s:)
[13:04] <garymortimer> are those hearing directly or via repeats? V cool
[13:05] <craag> each is hearing at least one balloon directly
[13:05] <craag> (to get anything, and so get everything!)
[13:07] <DL1SGP> drats got a height indicator system over the dutch balloon now
[13:07] <craag> now it's up to fsphil to get another spoke on that wheel
[13:07] <daveake> exactly :)
[13:07] <daveake> he has 53 minutes then I have to launch anyway :)
[13:07] <craag> what's expected burst alt for lora1?
[13:07] <daveake> 30km
[13:08] <craag> k, bit of time to go yet then
[13:08] <daveake> 500g balloon; the others are 350
[13:08] <daveake> though I am woindering about putting lora3 under a 1600 for kicks
[13:08] <daveake> gotta get rid of that last big cylinder :)
[13:08] <craag> do it :D
[13:08] <craag> fill for float :D
[13:09] <daveake> hah ok
[13:09] <daveake> :)
[13:09] <daveake> might change the battery then :)
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> Lora network? nice
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> but I'm confused
[13:10] <daveake> ok ...
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> has a standard lora config been agreed?
[13:10] <daveake> nope
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> lol
[13:10] <craag> matt is working on habpack
[13:10] <craag> msgpack with basic hab fields
[13:10] <daveake> I'm still sending ascii
[13:10] <garymortimer> so am I laurenceb always confused
[13:10] <daveake> I had some binary code but removed it as we should do this properly :)
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> so there will be a config setup like in fldigi?
[13:11] <craag> Ideally you'll be able to extract the basic info without extra config
[13:11] <craag> only need config for custom fields (extra telem)
[13:11] <DL1SGP> that flight indicator is telling me that the UAV is at 150m altitude :( and over the signal of NLDPH :(
[13:12] <Laurenceb__> I guess you could have config packets in a standard lora format
[13:12] <daveake> A non-float 1600 will do this http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=bdc71a2b0c103b0b75811358c23c289ee4eebefc
[13:12] <daveake> which is still good
[13:12] <daveake> yes you could
[13:12] <daveake> also we need a standard for the calling packet, so that a station can be left unattended
[13:14] <craag> I reckon just have it so any gateway can decode basic info (eg call/time/lat/lon/alt) without config, and can upload the packet for habitat to care about decoding the rest.
[13:15] <craag> the operator is then the only one who might want to sort out decoding 'sun sensor #3' without a habitat connection
[13:15] <craag> but yes calling would be good
[13:16] <craag> similar binary format would be a very short packet, able to send quite slowly.
[13:16] <Laurenceb__> tbh I'm still not convinced of the value of Lora
[13:16] <craag> it's easy and cheap (as dave said earlier)
[13:16] <Laurenceb__> compared to simple 2FSK packet mode using an off the sheld IC
[13:16] <craag> I know there's your silanbs fsk stuff
[13:16] <Laurenceb__> *shelf
[13:17] <tweetBot> @daveake: Pic of my LCARS LoRa gateway showing today's 3 flights (LORA1/2 up; LORA3 yet to launch) #UKHAS http://t.co/wslv7G7kU2
[13:17] <Laurenceb__> yeah, TI are right with their criticism of Lora
[13:17] <craag> it's a pretty awful modulation technically
[13:17] <craag> but it's turnkey for this
[13:17] <Laurenceb__> https://e2e.ti.com/support/wireless_connectivity/f/156/t/343273
[13:18] <craag> yeah seen that
[13:18] <Laurenceb__> reply is full of BS
[13:18] <Laurenceb__> but some of the points still stand
[13:18] <Laurenceb__> "We have performed this test, as well as several customers and the results have been the same every time. CC112x is far superior with respect to blocking and selectivity."
[13:19] <daveake> Is that "we found a test where we won, so we like repeating it" ?
[13:19] <Laurenceb__> well...
[13:19] <Laurenceb__> I'd say LoRa is well suited for downlink
[13:20] <Laurenceb__> as there isnt much co channel interference when you are on the ground
[13:20] <daveake> Well the uplink seems to be working ...
[13:20] <Laurenceb__> yeah, interesting
[13:20] <craag> we've also had no problem with uplink
[13:20] <daveake> ... all those lora3 packets (aside from mine) are from the ground up then down again
[13:20] <Laurenceb__> 10mw uplink?
[13:21] <daveake> yes
[13:21] <craag> yep
[13:21] <daveake> 1/4w gp on the table outside
[13:21] <daveake> ^ wave
[13:21] <Laurenceb__> got it
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> At what altitude?
[13:21] <Laurenceb__> where is the uplink data on the tracker?
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> (the balloon)
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[13:22] <Laurenceb__> 11km atm
[13:22] <daveake> Absent :/
[13:22] <Maxell> Laurenceb__: it's the not yet launched balloon talking to the launched balloons ;P
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> oh
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[13:22] <daveake> Howver we can see which rx packets were repeated by their timestamps
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> interesting, whats the Lora config?
[13:22] <daveake> 62kHz b/w, EC4:8, SF8
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> so its a balloon mesh neteork
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> wow
[13:22] <daveake> yes
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> thats wide
[13:23] <daveake> Yes because hoperf suck
[13:23] <daveake> Commonly get 3-4kHz between devices
[13:23] <garymortimer> today Ross on Wye tomorrow Google Loon
[13:23] <daveake> and with 20kHz b/w that's a little too much
[13:23] <Laurenceb__> I see
[13:24] <garymortimer> just imagine how cool it would be if all flights across Europe were helped by others flying
[13:24] <daveake> Using 60kHz each node is limited to 10% DC which they're just inside even with the repeating (about 8% iirc)
[13:24] <daveake> OK i need to go launch :)
[13:24] <Laurenceb__> this is 434mhz?
[13:24] <Laurenceb__> ok
[13:24] <daveake> yes
[13:25] <Laurenceb__> didnt realise that was a rule :P
[13:25] <daveake> Depends how you read it
[13:25] <daveake> the 100% DC ones all mention 25kHz channels
[13:25] <daveake> and don't specifically say you can use more than 1 channel
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> ah yeah I've read that spec
[13:26] <daveake> So to be safe I'm going with the 10%DC ones that don't mention channels
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> nice plan
[13:26] <daveake> Matt did the same
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> so each balloon has 1/4 wave whip and 10mW ?
[13:26] <daveake> Actually Matt was sneaky and did both
[13:26] <daveake> yes
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> and these are floaters?
[13:26] <daveake> nope
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> ah
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> should still be fun
[13:26] <Maxell> daveake: go launch!
[13:26] <daveake> I want to see if they get repeated after landing
[13:26] <Maxell> :P
[13:27] <daveake> yes, going :)
[13:27] <Maxell> shoo
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[13:28] <Laurenceb__> whats burst altitude?
[13:34] <daveake> 30km
[13:34] <SM0ULC> daveake: when nr 3 going up?
[13:34] <daveake> just about to fill #3
[13:34] <daveake> 2 and 3 approx 28km
[13:34] <jcoxon> daveake, awesome flight
[13:34] <jcoxon> loving the repeating...
[13:34] <daveake> cheers, this is fun :)
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[13:35] <daveake> Floating season should be good for this
[13:35] <jcoxon> yes!
[13:35] <jcoxon> it was one the ideas behind ukhasnet but we obviously struggle with the performance
[13:36] <jcoxon> lora makes up for that
[13:36] <craag> but also kills kittens
[13:38] <Laurenceb__> come on, launch #3
[13:38] <lz1dev> :O
[13:38] <Maxell> :P
[13:41] <Laurenceb__> is downlink via rtty?
[13:41] <jcoxon> craag, so many kittens
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[13:45] <Laurenceb__> launch
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[13:46] <garymortimer> please put me out of my misery, I don't get the kittens thing. I get the importance though as the internet is kept running for the benefit of kitten imaging
[13:46] <eroomde> lora is in theory a proprietary format with patents restricting its use etc etc
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[13:47] <PE2BZ> Hello LoRa !!
[13:47] <eroomde> this being a sort of vaguely freedom-inclined place and hobby, there's some hesitance to jump wholesail abord some proprietary thing for telemetry
[13:47] <eroomde> however it has certainly emphasised the fact that we've all been seriously under-utilising our 10mW thus far with 50-baud rtty
[13:47] <eroomde> from a channel capacity PoV
[13:48] <craag> I'm looking forward to seeing adam's psk from a hab
[13:48] <craag> when he's built a new tx board :P
[13:48] <eroomde> ha
[13:49] <PE2BZ> $$LORA1,509,13:47:41,52.09516,-2.23510,29133,48,0,11*A19E
[13:49] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[13:49] <PE2BZ> $$LORA2,507,13:47:47,52.04496,-2.50034,16887,50,0,11*38B1
[13:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
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[13:50] <craag> fsphil: any luck?
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[13:50] <craag> oh yes
[13:50] <craag> get your location uploaded so I can map you!
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[13:51] <craag> in fact there's a few that haven't..
[13:51] <astrobiologist2> it isn't strictly hab or ukhasnet relevant, but could someone help me out with HF loop antenna woes?
[13:51] <astrobiologist2> (not entirely irrelevant, could always fly HF habs one day!)
[13:51] <garymortimer> so there are going to be perhaps LoRa reception records today
[13:51] <craag> astrobiologist2: try some of the ham irc channels?
[13:51] <astrobiologist2> craag: please point me in correct irc direction
[13:52] <craag> #hamradio iirc?
[13:52] <PE2BZ> craag was the location upload ment for PE2BZ ?
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[13:52] <craag> no don't worry
[13:52] <astrobiologist2> thanks
[13:53] <craag> dave's gateway doesn't upload location - so my nice green lines don't appear :(
[13:53] <daveake> We need a map with repeater routes :)
[13:53] <daveake> (might get busy tho!)
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[13:54] <Laurenceb__> where is this plot?
[13:54] <garymortimer> this is very cool to watch, thanks Dave and all the clever folk! I totally get the implications, but oh the kittens
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[13:55] <Laurenceb__> craag ?
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[13:55] <craag> Laurenceb__: I have this: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=LORA1;LORA2;LORA3
[13:55] <daveake> noted craag :)
[13:55] <jcoxon> daveake, in the summer i think you should launch a load with 5 or 6 hours apart
[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Just put the callsign used in the gateway into dl-fldigi and open it position is logged
[13:55] <jcoxon> let them just travel...
[13:55] <garymortimer> how would the repeat work, would it climb through to the highest balloon? That would be a cool mode
[13:56] <daveake> jcoxon yup :)
[13:56] <garymortimer> always seek the highest and ask it to resend
[13:56] <craag> daveake: I think I still have a gpsd-enabled upload branch of your sw around.. it can use a static location too, needs a lot of tidying up and config options adding though.
[13:56] <Maxell> NLDPH01 on the ground. Looks like some sort of industial area...
[13:56] <daveake> ok
[13:57] <craag> plus its extra text file config for people
[13:57] <craag> not sure they like that much :P
[13:57] <Laurenceb__> I see no balloon to balloon links?
[13:57] <daveake> no we don't have that
[13:57] <garymortimer> in summer balloon one could be a relatively low level floater
[13:57] <Laurenceb__> oh
[13:57] <Laurenceb__> i thought it was a mesh network?
[13:57] <craag> the packets aren't tagged in any way when they're repeated, so habhub has no way of knowing
[13:57] <Laurenceb__> oh
[13:58] <Laurenceb__> boo
[13:58] <craag> but they are being repeated
[13:58] <craag> can see that from timestamps
[13:58] <garymortimer> lora 1 is pushing the envelope, pun intended
[13:58] <daveake> Well, I had ti working like this for a few days and didn't fancy potentially breaking things just before the flight
[13:58] <daveake> but yes, next time "who from" and RSSI fields
[13:58] <craag> it's a working PoC :)
[13:59] <daveake> Laurenceb I can tell which payload repeated a packet if I know the time it landed
[13:59] <daveake> Usual Hwoyee woo going on I see
[13:59] <astrobiologist2> nobody on #hamradio. all the cool kids hang out on #highaltitude
[14:00] <Laurenceb__> itd be nice to see stats on repeated packets
[14:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> My logging file has the times @ receipt if needed
[14:00] <daveake> ta
[14:01] <daveake> 33km still going
[14:01] <Maxell> !dial MONDO-14
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03MONDO-14 10(6c84): 03434.649 MHz, 434.32382 MHz, 434.3233 MHz, 434.5 MHz, 434.3243 MHz, 434.323764 MHz
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[14:04] <garymortimer> your afternoon drive is getting longer Dave
[14:04] <daveake> meh
[14:04] <daveake> cheap trackers
[14:04] <Upu> o'rly
[14:05] <daveake> lol
[14:05] <daveake> I'm more interested in if a landing position is repeated
[14:05] <daveake> However I will still go and retreive Upu's possessions :)
[14:06] <garymortimer> is that like a baliff?
[14:06] <daveake> Nearly 35km wtf
[14:07] <Upu> what balloon ?
[14:07] <daveake> 500g H
[14:08] <daveake> Was expecting 32km
[14:08] <daveake> suppose +2km is about average with these
[14:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> some bodu now if NLDPH01 is recoverd ??
[14:08] <Herman-PB0AHX> u=y
[14:09] <garymortimer> About an hour and a half away there to the landing for you Dave
[14:09] <DL1SGP> nope have not heard the happy news yet Herman-PB0AHX
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[14:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> DL1SGP: tnx info
[14:10] <DL1SGP> Herman-PB0AHX: graag :)
[14:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> we stil waiting on that
[14:10] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: 123_chase is/was very near the landing spot
[14:11] <Herman-PB0AHX> was a very good flight
[14:11] <PE2G> Yes
[14:11] <daveake> 36km woo
[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1KVR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
[14:11] <daveake> (woo as in wtf is going on, not woo as in hooray)
[14:12] <daveake> ah justr burst I think
[14:12] <garymortimer> I might have waited here http://www.thatchedtavernhoneybourne.com/
[14:12] <daveake> coming down
[14:12] <PE2BZ> LoRa RX distance 461 km. No trace of LoRa on the SDR with the vertical logper, and 375 rx packets on the PiInTheSky board with the Diamond V2000
[14:12] <sburg> pop!
[14:13] <daveake> nice
[14:13] <Laurenceb__> now...
[14:14] <dutchtux> Payload NLDPh01 is successfully recovered!
[14:14] <Laurenceb__> if you can get packets from it after its landed
[14:14] <daveake> That would be nice
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[14:14] <DL1SGP> leuk dutchtux !
[14:14] <daveake> I didn't protect the aerial so it'll need some lucj
[14:15] <chimpusmaximus> A nice tall tree :-(
[14:15] <dutchtux> hopelijk zijn de foto's ook de moeite waard
[14:15] <daveake> yes we always wish for those :/
[14:15] <dutchtux> we gaan de terugreis aanvaarden.
[14:15] <dutchtux> bye
[14:15] <DL1SGP> have a safe trip back dutchtux
[14:16] <dutchtux> thx
[14:16] <Herman-PB0AHX> NLDPH01 team congrats voor a very very good flight
[14:16] <Upu> did Barry get recovered ?
[14:16] <dutchtux> dank je Herman! Jullie succes gewenst voor de volgende vlucht
[14:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> gaat lukken
[14:17] <sburg> wait.... how high did Lora1 get? 36km?
[14:18] <daveake> yes
[14:18] <PE2G> Congrats dutchtux
[14:18] <sburg> 100k ft? wow.
[14:18] <dutchtux> thanks PE2G
[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0NCT-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0NCT-7
[14:19] <DL1SGP> PE2G: hey there how are you?
[14:19] <craag> sburg: if you think that's high, wait for LORA3 ;)
[14:19] <daveake> sorry no I changed my mind anbd used a 350 :/
[14:19] <craag> aww
[14:19] <sburg> I have to step out for a bit :(
[14:19] <craag> catch you later sburg
[14:19] <daveake> next time
[14:19] <PE2G> Very well, DL1SGP tnx
[14:20] <sburg> oh I will be back shortly. I'm glued to the screen
[14:20] <daveake> me too and I should be chasing :/
[14:20] <sburg> lol
[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD5GOM-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[14:21] <craag> I have a couple of ublox+stm+rfm98 boards on my desk, 8x 100g on the shelf.. will have to sort out a southern airborne network next time ;)
[14:21] <daveake> do it :)
[14:21] <fsphil> back, was afk for lunch
[14:21] <fsphil> looks like I've got 1 packet so far
[14:21] <daveake> lol
[14:21] <daveake> well you probably won't get any more
[14:21] <daveake> lora2/3 are smaller balloons
[14:22] <fsphil> one ain't bad considering the setup here
[14:23] <fsphil> so 9 in total
[14:23] <fsphil> only 1 passed the crc
[14:23] <daveake> direct or repeated ?
[14:23] <fsphil> direct, the one I got was LORA1
[14:23] <daveake> ok
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[14:23] <fsphil> was it still repeating the others at peak altitude?
[14:23] <daveake> well sort your kit out for next time :)
[14:24] <fsphil> yes that colinear won't get on the roof by itself
[14:24] <daveake> hah
[14:24] <fsphil> I'm putting one of these up on the mountain, with an X-50
[14:24] <fsphil> so that'll definitly work
[14:24] <daveake> nice
[14:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[14:25] <daveake> lora1 looks like a clean burst as the descent rate is about what I expected
[14:25] <daveake> which is to say slow as I went over on the chute size
[14:26] <fsphil> LORA2 is above my horizon
[14:26] <fsphil> I should see it
[14:26] <fsphil> 3 is too, but not by as much
[14:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> lot of strong qsb on signaal from MONDO-14
[14:27] <fsphil> ah cool, the ones that failed the CRC included repeated packets
[14:27] <daveake> hah :)
[14:28] <fsphil> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yS9PaZSj
[14:28] <fsphil> they look fine
[14:28] <daveake> yes but failed CRC ??
[14:29] <fsphil> ooh "Bad CRC = 37"
[14:29] <daveake> It doesn't log the packets if they fail
[14:29] <daveake> So I'm confused
[14:29] <fsphil> yeah I read the interface wrong
[14:29] <craag> you got a few fsphil
[14:29] <daveake> hah cool :)
[14:29] <daveake> now makes sense
[14:29] <craag> your callsign was up on the map for a while
[14:30] <fsphil> the screen showed 9 lines, with only one not a CRC failure
[14:30] <fsphil> and "Telem Packets = 9"
[14:30] <daveake> yup
[14:30] <fsphil> I assumed that included the bad-crc ones
[14:30] <daveake> nope
[14:30] <fsphil> so yay, 9 packets
[14:30] <daveake> crc fails get no further
[14:30] <daveake> yay :)
[14:31] <fsphil> the lowest that got repeated was 1099m
[14:31] <RealBorg> dump1090 does a great job brute-forcing crc failures into valid packets
[14:31] <Upu> bad job
[14:31] <daveake> yeah, I was hoping to launch after you got some packets, but notam was running out
[14:31] <Upu> as its reporting packets that may not be correct RealBorg
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[14:32] <fsphil> yeah that would have been cool. probably would have worked with a better antenna on this end
[14:32] <daveake> next time :)
[14:32] <fsphil> this was just a yagi pointing out my window
[14:32] <RealBorg> Upu, it "may"
[14:32] <Upu> does
[14:32] <Upu> I think FR24 instructions turn that off
[14:32] <Upu> as they don't want bad packets
[14:32] <daveake> We get plenty enough packets through anyway
[14:33] <RealBorg> can't remember seeing invalid data
[14:33] <daveake> Even with SSDV the better option if we miss a section of an image is to uplink a request to re-send that section
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[14:34] <fsphil> yeah
[14:35] <fsphil> I need to finish the api query for that
[14:35] <fsphil> so you can see what's missing from ssdv.habhub.org
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[14:37] <daveake> please :)
[14:37] <fsphil> you'll need to keep a copy of the packets for a while on the payload
[14:37] <daveake> yes np as those will be Pis
[14:38] <daveake> unlike these 3 which are avrs
[14:38] <daveake> at present the ssdv files get deleted but they can be kept easily enough
[14:39] <Copyright> -.-
[14:40] <fsphil> (c)2015
[14:40] <Copyright> :D
[14:41] <garymortimer> whats that about?
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[14:49] <Laurenceb__> what howyee envelopes are being used?
[14:49] <Laurenceb__> come on LORA1, down down
[14:49] <Laurenceb__> I want to see what happens when it gets low
[14:50] <Upu> me too
[14:50] <craag> Laurenceb__: 1 is a 500g, 2,3 are 350g
[14:50] <Upu> if it repeats from the ground that is epic win
[14:54] <garymortimer> we shall find out directly
[14:56] <daveake> shame it's not doing lora1 -->2 -->3 :p
[14:57] <daveake> I'm beginning to regret using larger chutes than strictly necessary :/
[14:58] <Laurenceb__> wow thats going high for such small envelopes
[14:58] <daveake> yep
[14:58] <Laurenceb__> yeah its taking forever to get down
[14:58] <daveake> well the tracker/battery/egg is about 60g
[14:58] <daveake> Yeah deliberate to get more data
[14:59] <DL1SGP> !dial Mondo-14
[14:59] <SpacenearUS> 03DL1SGP: Latest dials for 03MONDO-14 10(6c84): 03434.5 MHz, 434.32382 MHz, 434.323764 MHz, 434.3233 MHz, 434.3238 MHz, 434.324 MHz, 434.32589 MHz
[14:59] <daveake> also in case of the balloon not bursting cleanly
[14:59] <daveake> and obviously it did :/
[15:03] <Laurenceb__> can't it do double hop?
[15:04] <Laurenceb__> <daveake> shame it's not doing lora1 -->2 -->3
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[15:05] <PE2BZ> !payload mondo-14
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03MONDO-14 10(6c84) 03$$MONDO-14 - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[15:05] <daveake> erm, actually yes it can
[15:05] <daveake> I forgot :)
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
[15:05] <daveake> I'd need to check the sequence to make sure it'll happen
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[15:06] <domojn> hello
[15:06] <daveake> It just remembers the last packet from "someone else" and Tx's that when the next slot comes round
[15:06] <daveake> So it doesn't care who the someone else is, or if that packet was already repeated
[15:07] <fsphil> ah 2 has burst
[15:07] <Laurenceb__> lora1 getting low now
[15:07] <daveake> that was ages ago :)
[15:07] <fsphil> I got distracted by frogs in the garden :)
[15:08] <DL1SGP> :)
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[15:08] <Laurenceb__> are the lora tx times aligned to minutes?
[15:08] <daveake> yes
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[15:09] <daveake> 20 second cycle
[15:09] <daveake> So for example lora1 tx's at 1 second, 21 and 41 seconds past
[15:09] <Laurenceb__> how can you tell if a packet was repeated from the timing?
[15:09] <daveake> other slots are used for repeats
[15:09] <Laurenceb__> ok
[15:12] <fsphil> ah getting bad crc's again
[15:12] <daveake> It's easy to see now if lora1 is being repeated , by the size of the receiver list :)
[15:12] <fsphil> must be lora3
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[15:12] <fsphil> if I get a lora1 packet from the ground I'll be well impressed :)
[15:12] <daveake> So will I :)
[15:12] <daveake> I'll be pleased if *anyone* does :)
[15:13] <fsphil> hah
[15:13] <fsphil> ok more bad crc's
[15:13] <daveake> might be better when lora2 gets lower
[15:13] <fsphil> c'mon little radio
[15:13] <daveake> repeated at 1011m
[15:14] <craag> ground is ~45m
[15:14] <daveake> 861 repeated
[15:14] <daveake> ta
[15:14] <domojn> on fl-digi, what do I put on callsign?
[15:15] <daveake> Radio callsign, your name, whatever
[15:15] <Vaizki> you can just put: domojn .. ;)
[15:15] <daveake> Something short as it appears on the map
[15:15] <daveake> 639m repeated
[15:15] <domojn> just curious
[15:15] <daveake> suspense is killing me lol
[15:16] <Upu> smaller parachute may help next time :)
[15:16] <daveake> no no, larger = more packets :)
[15:16] <domojn> I was gonna put my ham one, but i don't like giving it out too much
[15:16] <Upu> now i don't know if you intended it but LORA2 is so well placed
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[15:16] <daveake> planned
[15:16] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Look at mondo coming down
[15:16] <daveake> </lie_mode>
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[15:16] <Upu> did mondo really hit 44.1km ?
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[15:16] <daveake> also it'll be fun if lora3 picks it up later
[15:17] <daveake> 344m repeated
[15:17] <fsphil> ....
[15:17] <Upu> go on :)
[15:17] <fsphil> *tension*
[15:17] Action: fsphil puts on dramatic music
[15:17] <Upu> jcoxon - LORA1 is about to get repeated on the ground from a flying balloon
[15:17] <daveake> this is like watching apollo 13 re-enter
[15:17] <daveake> we hope
[15:17] <daveake> 146m
[15:17] <Upu> haha
[15:17] <DL1SGP> mondo would surely cause a slight impact crater at that descent rate :D
[15:17] <Upu> nice
[15:17] <Laurenceb__> woot
[15:18] <jcoxon> Upu oooo thats amazing
[15:18] <Upu> nice one daveake
[15:18] <Upu> have a beer :)
[15:18] <craag> 80
[15:18] <daveake> 80m WOOOO
[15:18] <fsphil> lol
[15:18] <craag> next one will be ground
[15:18] <fsphil> lora3 getting stronger here
[15:18] <craag> 46!!!
[15:18] <Laurenceb__> yes
[15:18] <daveake> Exccellent :)
[15:19] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQlXNH36mI
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[15:19] <chimpusmaximus> :-)
[15:19] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/QRe37Yu.gif
[15:19] <daveake> :)
[15:20] <craag> and another to confirm! awesome work
[15:20] <jcoxon> the dream of hunting payloads with other payloads
[15:20] <fsphil> hah, that was definitly on the ground
[15:20] <DL1SGP> Lora1 still being rxed
[15:20] <craag> getting repeated by both too it seems
[15:21] <daveake> hah
[15:21] <daveake> Wow, this is great :)
[15:21] <Upu> DL1SGP its being recieved and then repeated by LORA2 and possibly LORA3
[15:21] <DL1SGP> ah even more neat Upu
[15:21] <Upu> daveake is the brains
[15:21] <daveake> Can anyone confirm defintely repeated by both ?
[15:22] <craag> I've received two copies of the same sentence...
[15:22] <dbrooke> me too
[15:22] <daveake> excellent
[15:22] <tweetBot> @daveake: *Landed* LoRa payload being repeated by 2 airborne balloons :-))) #UKHAS http://t.co/VdDKf33Z8N
[15:23] <craag> and again by both..
[15:24] <Upu> interesting no an airport you landed next too
[15:24] <Upu> not
[15:24] <daveake> A field, lovely :)
[15:24] <MikeUoN> congrats!
[15:25] <domojn> Are all the uk HABs on 434?
[15:25] <daveake> These 3 are on 434.450
[15:25] <fsphil> almost all
[15:25] <Upu> yes domojn
[15:25] <daveake> They take turns to tx
[15:25] <fsphil> there've been a couple on 868mhz
[15:25] <daveake> and when not tx-ing they listen for packets to repeat
[15:25] <domojn> my 434 is dead as cb radio
[15:25] <daveake> sry just thinking of mine :p
[15:26] <jcoxon> yeah yeah
[15:26] <daveake> It would be loltastic if someone picked up and walked with lora1
[15:27] <Upu> haha yeah
[15:27] <Upu> so lets see what Lora2 does now
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[15:28] <daveake> Coming down at a more usual rate
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[15:30] <garymortimer> how very cool well done clever people
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[15:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:30] <Upu> afternoon Lunar_Lander
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Upu :)
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[15:31] <DL1SGP> hellooo Lunar_Lander
[15:31] <daveake> I ate something earlier and it's repeating on me
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> sorry to hear that
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL1SGP
[15:32] <daveake> Sorry Lunar_Lander just a little joke :)
[15:32] <fsphil> no further packets here. not even bad ones. weird
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:33] <DL1SGP> fsphil: goats in range maybe?
[15:33] <fsphil> RF goats?
[15:35] <DL1SGP> you never know with goats :D
[15:35] <Laurenceb__> you dont whats to see goats
[15:36] <domojn> at least with goats, you knew where your gonna end up
[15:38] <daveake> come on lora2, don't let us down :)
[15:39] <daveake> though with these winds we'll know the landing position anyway, pretty much
[15:40] <craag> ~50m ground
[15:40] <daveake> ta
[15:41] <daveake> probably land on the roof of that building :/
[15:41] <daveake> oh, no updates for 2m
[15:41] <fsphil> ah well. at least we can track it on the way to the police station
[15:42] <craag> nothing from lora1 either
[15:42] <craag> lora3 having some turbulence maybe
[15:42] <Upu> lora3 out of range possibly ?
[15:42] <daveake> yeah possible
[15:42] <Laurenceb__> should be down now
[15:42] <daveake> ok, well let's see what happens
[15:42] <Upu> lets see if it picks up as lora3 gets closer
[15:42] <RealBorg> anyone ever recovered a balloon from the lost&found office? ;)
[15:42] <daveake> lora3 should get a lot closer
[15:43] <craag> there we go
[15:43] <daveake> woo
[15:43] <Laurenceb__> packet
[15:43] <craag> down
[15:43] <craag> :D
[15:43] <daveake> <evil laugh>
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> dave rocks
[15:43] <daveake> 2 outta 2, excellent
[15:43] <Upu> ah
[15:44] <Upu> landing position not optimal
[15:44] <daveake> Now if I wasn't out of trackers I could do a notam-free one instead of actually chasing
[15:44] <craag> heh
[15:44] <daveake> lol
[15:44] <daveake> <daveake> probably land on the roof of that building :/
[15:44] <Upu> metal reprocessors
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[15:45] <Upu> heh actually is very likely to be on the roof too
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[15:45] <daveake> yup
[15:46] <Upu> be careful where you park the Shogun there they may think its for reprocessing
[15:46] <daveake> You said metal reprocessing
[15:46] <Upu> not rust
[15:46] <daveake> It's already been reporcessed into rust
[15:46] <Upu> :)
[15:46] <daveake> :)
[15:46] <Upu> bah dum
[15:47] <tweetBot> @daveake: LORA2 has landed now, and being repeated by airborne LORA3. Well, not quite land exactly ... #UKHAS http://t.co/ICWDap2tHg
[15:48] <MikeUoN> eek
[15:50] <daveake> I guess lora2 was doing most of the repeating for lora1, as the latter has gone quiet now
[15:50] <Upu> see what happens as LORA3 gets closer
[15:50] <daveake> So, 10 metre high roof according to GPS :)
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[15:52] <daveake> It's quite likely that the lora1 aerial is, erm, non-optimal after the landing, so it'll need lora3 closer
[15:52] <Upu> https://goo.gl/maps/Sh29aNgPLRQ2
[15:54] <daveake> lora2 still being repeated, but a) it's higher and b) it's got an awesome ground plane :)
[15:54] <DL1SGP> roof landing of Lora2?
[15:54] <daveake> yep
[15:54] <DL1SGP> pack the quadrocopter :)
[15:54] <Upu> lol
[15:54] <daveake> My neighbour has one ...
[15:54] <DL1SGP> drone hab recovery
[15:54] <daveake> ... however we'd end up with that stuck on the roof
[15:55] <DL1SGP> the more things you got on list to recover from roof the more likely it might be that folks help :)
[15:55] <daveake> ha
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[15:56] <RealBorg> "ok, can you please remove the helicopter from our roof"
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah just caught up, looks good and repeating works well! Joking about the ladder needed on the BATC stream erlier!
[15:58] Action: DL1SGP wonders about the purpose of that facility
[16:03] <daveake> lora2 being repeated again now
[16:06] <daveake> When I send the email, I think I should make it clear that there is minimal metal content in the tracker :)
[16:07] <DL1SGP> daveake: how long would batteries last on Lora2 ?
[16:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9ZMJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9ZMJ-11
[16:07] <daveake> More than 24 hours; not sure how much longer
[16:07] <DL1SGP> I see.
[16:08] <domojn> that's interesting, the SUWS sdr is getting nothiong either
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[16:09] <ZS5LT> hello guys a question about the Lora Tracker, Can the ground station be any UHF radio to receive the telemetry or does the ground station also have to be a LORA unit?
[16:09] <daveake> I reckon the balloon and line are dangking over the edge of that roof
[16:09] <daveake> LORA module only
[16:10] <ZS5LT> Hi Dave, nice one with the launches.
[16:10] <daveake> cheers
[16:10] <daveake> They've done everything I hoped for (well, except for the roof landing bit)
[16:10] <DL1SGP> Lora1 even avoided landing on the airport :)
[16:11] <ZS5LT> Dave the modules you have used on this launch have been tracked by numerous ground stations, are they all LORA or did you use another telemerty method?
[16:11] <daveake> All LORA
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[16:12] <daveake> Probably the first time we've had a good number of ground stations
[16:12] <domojn> does anyone know how many hz the SUWS sdr is
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[16:13] <domojn> *hz out
[16:13] <craag> domojn: It'll be nearly spot on
[16:13] <domojn> i'm trying to sync my sdr
[16:13] <domojn> cool thanks
[16:13] <domojn> I'm assuming then it's just the repeaters which are weird then
[16:14] <Upu> DL1SGP its not an airport any more
[16:14] <craag> some of the repeaters do tend to be out
[16:14] <craag> FM is very tolerant
[16:14] <ZS5LT> Hi DaveAke >Thanks for the info, but reading the ground station info there are SDR dongles as well as amateur radios?
[16:14] <daveake> No
[16:15] <daveake> The LoRa flights are only being received by LoRa modules
[16:15] <daveake> No SDR no ham radio
[16:15] <DL1SGP> domojn: depending on the kind of sdr you are using you could calibrate against gsm network
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[16:17] <DL1SGP> tu Upu was only looking at the satellite pictures :P
[16:17] <Upu> its a raceway now
[16:17] <ZS5LT> Thanks DaveAke for taking time out to answer questions, regards and happy hunting.
[16:20] <domojn> DL1SGP, how would I do that?
[16:20] <domojn> My assumption is that they are bang on due to their clocks
[16:20] <Garak> Is hydrogen gas aviable off the shelf and affordable?
[16:21] <DL1SGP> what kind of sdr are you using domojn ?
[16:21] <domojn> RTL2838UHIDIR
[16:22] <DL1SGP> domojn: http://rtl-sdr.sceners.org/?p=193 something like that
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[16:24] <Laurenceb__> you want SSDV packet uplink
[16:26] <daveake> yup in the works
[16:26] <daveake> 36km from lora3
[16:26] <daveake> 350g hwoyee
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[16:27] <ZS5LT> Hi DaveAke,what was your payload weight?
[16:27] <daveake> 60g
[16:28] <daveake> bursting now I reckon
[16:28] <daveake> nope
[16:28] <sburg> just getting caught back up. so lora3 still kicking
[16:28] <ZS5LT> My next launch will be with LORA, the modules are sitting on my workbench>
[16:28] <daveake> yeah, highest of the 3, despite lora1 being a 500g
[16:28] <sburg> I'm still amazed at the altitude
[16:29] <daveake> ditto
[16:29] <daveake> 37km wtf
[16:30] <sburg> still climbing :)
[16:30] <ZS5LT> Daveake PE2BZ tracking at 404.87km! not shabby at all...
[16:30] <daveake> nice
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[16:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LU7AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU7AA-11
[16:31] <daveake> Prediction was 29.6km
[16:32] <ZS5LT> DaveAke, Hydrogen or helium?
[16:33] <daveake> H2
[16:33] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[16:33] <ZS5LT> The laws of the unseen, you never know where it will go?
[16:33] <ZS5LT> TX
[16:33] <daveake> Well, this is ... .unusual
[16:33] <fsphil> lol
[16:33] <daveake> 38km
[16:34] <ZS5LT> Has it become a floater?
[16:34] <daveake> no
[16:34] <fsphil> curious why I'm not receiving it
[16:34] <daveake> 29% over estimate
[16:34] <daveake> yes you should be by now
[16:35] <ZS5LT> What time does your skies darken, i am 2hrs ahead and it is dark already in Durban South Africa...
[16:35] <daveake> Even Matt Damon would struggle to do this with rubber and duct tape
[16:36] <daveake> sunset more than an hour away
[16:36] <sburg> pop
[16:36] <daveake> yup
[16:36] <daveake> at last
[16:36] <Laurenceb__> bonkers
[16:36] <fsphil> the woo was strong with this one
[16:36] <Maxell> daveake: hey, am I seeing this correctly - the balloons on the ground are being picked up by the on in the sky?
[16:36] <daveake> I want a 1600 made with that stuff
[16:36] <daveake> Maxell yes
[16:36] <ZS5LT> any one doing a LORA track on IRC now?
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[16:37] <fsphil> lora1's antenna must have been slightly better from my point of view
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[16:37] <craag> ZS5LT: Tracking the LORA_ payloads, yes
[16:37] <daveake> Oh shoot ...
[16:37] <daveake> ... I never trimmed any of them to 164
[16:37] <craag> haha
[16:38] <Upu> lol
[16:38] <craag> awesome
[16:38] <DL1SGP> heh
[16:38] <sburg> what does that mean?
[16:38] <Upu> such sucess
[16:38] <fsphil> they where less than ideal
[16:38] <Upu> such fail
[16:38] <garymortimer> just past hooke norton for 3 Dave, please have at least one for me
[16:38] <daveake> I know
[16:38] <SP9UOB> daveake: we should try to launch LoRa repeaters from UK, Germany, and Poland to repeat each other, that would be interesting :-)
[16:38] <daveake> I made them up and meant to cut after
[16:38] <Upu> sburg the antennas should be about 164mm long for 434Mhz transmissions
[16:38] <Upu> !wiki payload antenna
[16:38] <daveake> and I just now remembered :/
[16:38] <fsphil> you suck at failing daveake
[16:38] <sburg> ah
[16:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03payload_antenna (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[16:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi?s[]=payload&amp;s[]=antenna
[16:38] <Upu> top one
[16:38] <daveake> lol fsphil
[16:38] <eroomde> probs only a db in it, assuming they're close anyway
[16:39] <daveake> yeah 1cm out ish
[16:39] <Upu> right afk pizza
[16:39] <eroomde> and doing 70cm * 0.25 * velocity factor assumes the radials are just like a perfect infinite ground
[16:39] <eroomde> which they ain't
[16:39] <daveake> sure
[16:39] <eroomde> so they might even be better 1cm longer :)
[16:39] <eroomde> (i have no idea)
[16:39] <daveake> :)
[16:40] <domojn> Awesom DL1SGP
[16:40] <domojn> DL1SGP: +1 cookie
[16:41] <domojn> that guide should have a note regarding 900 range
[16:42] <DL1SGP> well was the first guide I found have not done that calibration myself in a while and if I do the -h parameter is my friend :D
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[16:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 035127920283_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=5127920283_chase
[16:43] <DL1SGP> Upu: is that another ex airfield on the path of Lora3 :) it seems to have interesting structures
[16:45] <garymortimer> yes it is
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[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> very much happening :)
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[16:49] <Maxell> daveake: roger. Just read the backlog. Awesome work!
[16:49] <daveake> cheers
[16:50] <ZS5LT> hello gary
[16:51] <ZS5LT> Next launch looking at Lora.
[16:52] <garymortimer> Howzit Pravin
[16:52] <domojn> DL1SGP, I ran kal 10 times, and 9/10 of those times, it went up.
[16:53] <garymortimer> I'm not sure I'm smart enough, lets let the clever folks here work it all out. At least we won't have the launch 3 lose 3 that the joburg folks had this AM
[16:53] <domojn> the last one is 0.157ppm higher than the first one
[16:54] <domojn> that's a 25% increase
[16:54] <ZS5LT> Those guys in JHB went quite after the balloon comms went off, i was working the parrot repeater with 3 watts and then it went dead, i think they lost their batteries!
[16:55] <domojn> my assumoption is because I'm averaging averages, but that's very worrying
[16:55] <garymortimer> Very poor performance!
[16:55] <garymortimer> I hope 3 does not end up in the balls at Croughton will be difficult to get back
[16:56] <garymortimer> used to work there when flying very far away
[16:57] <garymortimer> when I say work I mean talk on the wireless
[16:57] <garymortimer> the pub at Aynho wharf used to be very nice
[16:59] <Garak> Are there any balloons currently on HF to track?
[16:59] <SA6BSS> not that we are aware of
[17:00] <ZS5LT> DaveAke, where are you on the map? No chase vehicle visible?
[17:01] <daveake> Not chasing
[17:01] <SA6BSS> Garak: keep an eye on http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ and http://picospace.net/
[17:01] <domojn> with regard to chasing, what do you do if it lands on a roof/ army base/ prison/ in the sea?
[17:01] <daveake> depends
[17:01] <daveake> depends on what options there are and how much you want it back
[17:01] <domojn> lol
[17:02] <Garak> SA6BSS: yea those sites are what have perked my intrest
[17:02] <ZS5LT> SA6BSS-qrp labs are closed source with their tracking code>>.
[17:03] <SA6BSS> but u can flash it to any atmel328 and set the freq and mode, enugh for most people
[17:03] <domojn> What would you do if you found one?
[17:03] <ZS5LT> SA6BSS , arduino+SI5351 DDS and a filter running WSPR and JT9, wspr code available but JT9 not.
[17:04] <SA6BSS> ok
[17:04] <garymortimer> M40 for 3.....
[17:04] <Garak> I had found some JT9 code this morning, it needed some work but most of the hard stuff was already done
[17:04] <ZS5LT> You cannot change your callsign or any other info with the hex files that are there.
[17:05] <Garak> ZS5LT: not easily but its not like its encrypted
[17:05] <SA6BSS> of course u can
[17:06] <SA6BSS> just hocj up a lcd to your 328 nad start entering
[17:06] <ZS5LT> Reverse engineering - my hacker days have diminished
[17:06] <garymortimer> If 3 hops over the 40 and that little road I have landed in that very field many many years ago
[17:06] <domojn> DL1SGP, i wonder if kalibrate is freq specific then. I just tried it on a channel 18MHz up, and it's 2.637 ppm
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> lora3 will never land
[17:07] <garymortimer> fair enough
[17:09] <domojn> my originla channel was around 0.7148
[17:09] <ZS5LT> habhub may have got the altitude prediction wrong but is certainly got the gentle loop right. Dancing to land>>>
[17:11] <domojn> what are the lora 3 details?
[17:14] <garymortimer> the old upper heyford on the nose, pull up a sandbag have some stories about there
[17:16] <craag> domojn: 434.450 lora 62.5khz
[17:16] <craag> I doubt you'll be able to see it on the sdr
[17:16] <SM0ULC> ZS5LT: know any reason to why qrp-labs run their source closed?
[17:17] <domojn> why?
[17:17] <Laurenceb__> lol the chute on lora3 must be massive
[17:18] <daveake> 18" estes
[17:18] <domojn> it's falling :(
[17:18] <ZS5LT> SMOULC- commercial
[17:18] <domojn> when's the next big release planned?
[17:18] <daveake> 60g payload
[17:19] <craag> domojn: It's 10mW spread over 62KHz, that's going to be buried in the noise floor
[17:19] <eroomde> there appears to be an axis by which one can bisect sci-fi fans
[17:19] <eroomde> and that is whther or not they like the fifth element
[17:19] <eroomde> i've noticed it seemed to really divide people
[17:19] <SM0ULC> ZS5LT: sounds a bit weird to think there would be big business on some code for sending jt9/wprs and recover the data...
[17:20] <SM0ULC> ZS5LT: sp9oub has built some hf-trackers in the past
[17:21] <domojn> i hope it lands close to my qth
[17:23] <Oddstr13> made myself this one, with a tree frame and some speaker wire; http://www.hamuniverse.com/slingshot.html
[17:23] <ZS5LT> SMOULC close to getting the JT9 right-lets see.
[17:23] <Oddstr13> so, now I can hear APRS packets
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[17:24] <Oddstr13> ...how do I decode those under windows?
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[17:26] <SA6BSS> Oddstr13: direwolf
[17:27] <Oddstr13> there are windows builds?
[17:27] <SA6BSS> yep, and wind , osx
[17:27] <SA6BSS> gahh, linux win and osx works
[17:28] <Oddstr13> was listed under linux only on dxzone, didn't look more into it
[17:29] <SA6BSS> I´m using it on wind 7/10
[17:30] <SA6BSS> guess u found it http://home.comcast.net/~wb2osz/site/?/page/Download/
[17:30] <Oddstr13> downloaded from the github
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[17:31] <SM0ULC> ZS5LT: a combo of jt9 & wspr is a good combo
[17:32] <domojn> did lora3 land?
[17:33] <RealBorg> jt9 is how many db better than lora?
[17:33] <Oddstr13> do I run direwolf and decode_aprs?
[17:33] <DL1SGP> domojn: still going down
[17:34] <domojn> how can you tell the altitude
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[17:38] <Upu> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=satellite&mz=15&qm=1_day&mc=51.98859,-1.30224&f=LORA3&q=LORA1;LORA2;LORA3;MONDO-14
[17:39] <garymortimer> interesting that 2 and 1 dont seem to be being repeated now
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[17:42] <craag> garymortimer: their angle from 3 will be v low now
[17:43] <craag> so will be blocked by local obstructions
[17:43] <domojn> i'm already on the tracker
[17:45] <domojn> Have HAB's ever been mistaken for IED's?
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[17:47] <MikeUoN> I guess someone at some point in time mustve thought that
[17:47] <domojn> http://www.milforddailynews.com/article/20090211/News/302119887
[17:47] <domojn> yep
[17:47] <MikeUoN> DIdnt the Japanese use balloons to drop incendaries on mainland US in ww2? (not very sucessfully)
[17:48] <chris_99> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon ?
[17:49] <craag> there was a met balloon that got a neighbourhood near where I used to live in the states cordoned off
[17:49] <craag> bomb squad was the first to recognise what it acutally was
[17:49] <ZS5LT> Dangerous talk the NIA CIA WHOAMI watching the talk.
[17:50] <DL1SGP> maybe even CNN ZS5LT :)
[17:51] <ZS5LT> yeah i was watching a DEFCOn talk that got me parranoid>>>
[17:51] <domojn> i'd say the bomb squad must have found them before, lol
[17:51] <craag> http://www.openminds.tv/weather-balloon-ufo-crashes-in-virginia-1102/23175
[17:51] <craag> ^^ that;s the one
[17:52] <garymortimer> austria did it in 1849 http://airminded.org/2009/08/22/the-first-air-bomb-venice-15-july-1849/
[17:52] <domojn> I wonder how many virginians shot at it before it landed, lol
[17:53] <ZS5LT> i am on DSTAR on REF001C for a chat.
[17:53] <DL1SGP> got no dstar here. sorry ZS5LT
[17:54] <ZS5LT> No problem, QSO with M6KKD and N9TV very interested in the balloon goings on. i pointed them to habhub.
[17:55] <DL1SGP> great
[17:56] <DL1SGP> heh sleep well little Loras
[17:57] <sburg> so lora3 is down correct?
[17:58] <ZS5LT> Well done to all on this one. Little Lora safely on terra firma.
[17:58] <sburg> that was my first time watching live, it definitely kept my interest
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[17:59] <DL1SGP> nabend mclane_
[17:59] <mclane_> hallo
[18:00] <domojn> just picked up some data :)
[18:04] <ZS5LT> cheers guys.till the next time..
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[18:04] <domojn> 73]
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[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:32] <daveake> We'll go out tomorrow morning
[18:33] <daveake> trackers should be happy if damp :/
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[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> so it worked well?
[18:36] <daveake> Yep - plenty of in-flight repeating and, as a bonus, both lora1 and lora2 were repeated after landing
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[18:52] <domojn> 73 people
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[18:53] <Oddstr13> anyone able to decode this?https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4306267/ShareX/2015/10/SDRSharp_20151003_163617Z_144799kHz_AF_APRS.wav
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[19:09] <SM0ULC> daveake: really cool with airborne ad hoc networks :)
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> that was a good experiment
[19:10] <fsphil> daveake will go to extreme lengths to get faster internet
[19:11] <daveake> lol
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[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> you saw that news clipping about a Google balloon landing in a californian resedential area I suppose?
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[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> but once again, good work dave
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> planning to do it again?
[19:37] <daveake> yes, with additions
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> :) sounds good
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> on our side, we finished the little sensor boards with DS18B20, HIH-5031, HIH-6121 to go into the protection tubes
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> and the distribution adaptor to connect them to the motherboard
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> that one provides power and I2C connection lines
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> also the analogue outputs of the 5031s and the OneWire data line
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> still looking towards first half of november for launch
[19:50] <eroomde> bridesmaids in 10 mins
[19:50] <eroomde> let us abandon hab
[19:56] <jcoxon> haha
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[20:01] <arjunnaha> What type of filling kit should I get with this tank: http://balloonhelium.co.uk/products/product/6094
[20:05] <chimpusmaximus> I normally found they will let you chose when you go pick it up. I got one of these the other week and its actually an air products tank
[20:06] <chimpusmaximus> http://balloonhelium.co.uk/products/product/5008 thats the style you will want but it will be push fit to the tank.
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[20:11] <arjunnaha1> Do you have to hairdryer it to the tank?
[20:13] <eroomde> that question came out of nowhere...
[20:13] <eroomde> why do you think hairdryers need to be involved in plumbing?
[20:15] <arjunnaha1> 😂😂
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[20:33] <Laurenceb__> any amateur rocketry people here?
[20:34] <Laurenceb__> I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has got some Cesaroni kit :D
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[20:36] <chris_99> are those gunpowder powered motors?
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[20:38] <Laurenceb__> no
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[20:38] <Laurenceb__> I'm trying to get some rough idea of nozzle dimensions
[20:39] <chris_99> hmm i was looking at http://www.pro38.com/products/pro24/pro24.php it says black powder, what do you mean then?
[20:41] <Laurenceb__> huh
[20:41] <Laurenceb__> i dont see black powder"
[20:43] <chris_99> oh that's an ejection charge
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[20:51] <chris_99> ah, it's Ammonium Perchlorate
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[21:16] <MikeUoN> I'm having some trouble getting my RTTY decoded in FlDigi. Seems to be picked up okay in Fldigi (dtv dongle, through SDR#), but all that is being decoded is gobbledegook.
[21:16] <MikeUoN> Through Stereo Mix.
[21:16] <MikeUoN> any suggestions?
[21:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Show us some screen grab images of both dl-fldigi and the SDR# settings
[21:17] <prog> may be you want to try the latest and greatest sdr# ?
[21:17] <prog> http://airspy.com/downloads/sdrsharp-x86-test.zip
[21:19] <MikeUoN> sdr#: http://picpaste.com/pics/screen4-F0U7N0K2.1443907091.png
[21:19] <MikeUoN> fldigi: http://picpaste.com/pics/screen5-DiS14Rc3.1443907157.png
[21:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> You are on CW not USB setting in SDR#
[21:19] <MikeUoN> 'test' :P
[21:20] <MikeUoN> Ah woops
[21:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> The audio tones would have been identical but reversed in phase which just won't work!
[21:21] <MikeUoN> xD thanks Geoff
[21:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Has that worked ?
[21:21] <MikeUoN> perfectly!
[21:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good now try the latest version I'm sure there will have been some improvments knowing prog!
[21:22] <MikeUoN> wildo.
[21:22] <prog> a lot of improvements
[21:22] <MikeUoN> thanks prog!
[21:22] <prog> I cured the DC offset for all radios with this problem
[21:22] <prog> you can tune at the center even...
[21:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds good
[21:22] <prog> less cpu usage ...
[21:22] <prog> much less
[21:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Apologise for never getting round to a review prog on airspy, life has got in the way, wife is rather poorly and back in hospital again :-(
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[21:26] <MikeUoN> I get an error message "no device selected" when choosing the RTL SDR (USB) option
[21:26] <MikeUoN> No such problem in the previous version.
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[21:41] <MikeUoN> Anyone know where the dl client is on the latest FLDigi version (3.23)
[21:41] <MikeUoN> It was in the top right in .21 I think...
[21:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not sure it has been merged into it yet has it ?
[21:42] <MikeUoN> I'll find .21 then lol.
[21:42] <MikeUoN> thanks :)
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you want to build it then I think this is the most recent https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[21:45] <craag> What OS are you on MikeUoN ?
[21:45] <MikeUoN> win 8.1
[21:46] <craag> Best to stick with the current stable dl-fldigi then
[21:46] <craag> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[21:46] <craag> (based on fldigi 3.21.50 iirc)
[21:47] <craag> there's a new version based on fldigi 3.22.13, but it's not been compiled for windows yet
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[21:48] <MikeUoN> Ah okay, fair enough.
[21:48] <MikeUoN> Thanks craag and Geoff.
[21:48] <MikeUoN> Will set that up now. :)
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did daveake recover the LoRa flights or is that down for tomorrow ?
[21:49] <MikeUoN> tomorrow
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Makes sense
[21:50] <MikeUoN> yeah
[21:55] <mfa298> and you probably don't want to try compiling for windows, it's not an easy task - I got halfway there and hit issues I couldnt fix quickly.
[21:55] <MikeUoN> fair enough
[21:56] <mfa298> I should probably try compiling latest fldigi (not dl-) and see if that works in my environment
[21:56] <MikeUoN> I have my programming stuff on a seperate computer anyway. ran into some wierd compatibility issues I just couldnt be bothered to fix on my "internet" laptop.
[21:57] <MikeUoN> Like Office 2013 didnt like MPLAB and whatnot... urgh
[21:58] <mfa298> compiling the windows build is currently done on Linux (although I wonder if a windows compiler could be made to work)
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[22:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UON1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UON1
[22:03] <MikeUoN> horray
[22:03] <MikeUoN> Thanks for your help.
[22:04] <MikeUoN> off for a wlak
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[22:34] <arjunnaha> Hi
[22:35] <arjunnaha> Could someone approve my payload 'ForestHAB'.
[22:35] <mfa298> arjunnaha: payload docs don't need approving, just the flight docs
[22:36] <arjunnaha> *Flight docs
[22:36] <arjunnaha> mfa298 soz, getting used to everything
[22:36] <mfa298> if it's a flight doc if you join #habhub and post the flight doc id (long string of letters and numbers) the bot will check it, and then an admin will hopefully approve it at some point if it's good
[22:38] <arjunnaha> Thanks
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[23:00] <Laurenceb__> http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6530444.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Mark-Zuckerberg.jpg
[23:00] <Laurenceb__> corporate citizenship.. or statehood more like
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[23:05] <chris_99> heh, what the hell
[23:08] <chris_99> so apparently thats were he gave a talk to advocate for universal Internet access, but isn't he the one who's pushing a restrictive version of the Internet
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[23:10] <Laurenceb__> irony
[23:11] <chris_99> have you ever played with mini-hybrid rocket engines btw, i've got one, but never got it to work alas
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> nope, never done much rocketry
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> other than recent projects lol
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:14] <chris_99> with your engines do they still generate gas that pushes the nose cone off, or is that something you have to eject yourself?
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[23:21] <Laurenceb__> we are using modified engines
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> so no eject charge
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> there is no parachute
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[23:25] <chris_99> aha
[23:25] <chris_99> how does it land then heh?
[23:25] <Laurenceb__> it doesnt
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> it gets incinerated
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> and remaining bits arent going to injure anyone
[23:26] <chris_99> incinerated?! how high does it fly
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[23:26] <Laurenceb__> ~150km
[23:27] <Laurenceb__> mach 6
[23:27] <chris_99> wow!
[23:27] <chris_99> how much does such a rocket cost to launch?
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> dunno lol
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> much less than my current bank balance
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> accounting is the last of my worries atm
[23:29] <Laurenceb__> I've probably spent £2k so far, but that was almost all "wasted" on random ideas
[23:30] <Laurenceb__> maybe £120 / launch if the payload is recovered (back of envelope)
[23:30] <chris_99> that sounds pretty reasonable
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> since the conference I've solved the spin problem, and it turns out quite easy to launch some more unconventional designs
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> so I've resurrecting my n-prize design
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> *i'm
[23:31] <chris_99> oh did you do a presentation on this?
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> Cesaroni reload in custom CF case
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> yes.. its on youtube somewhere
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> Oooh. N prize is considerably more fun that you were considering.
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> than
[23:32] <chris_99> ooh, know any keywords i can use to find it?
[23:33] <Laurenceb__> erm
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Oh right
[23:33] <Laurenceb__> i sec
[23:33] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> this removes all this wank about working out how the hell to get the second stage stable
[23:33] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: I'm talking about the PRo29
[23:34] <Laurenceb__> n-prize "inspired"
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> Oh I see.
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> Not actually orbital.
[23:34] <Laurenceb__> althoug... same design with longer propellant grain would get ~3.5km/s delta v
[23:34] <MikeUoN> #yolo
[23:34] <Laurenceb__> what was I doing...
[23:35] <Laurenceb__> oh yeah youtube
[23:35] <chris_99> oh i might have it, is it crossing the karman line? or is that something else
[23:35] <MikeUoN> thats the one
[23:36] <chris_99> cool, cheers
[23:36] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S7KujrsUB1w#t=4880
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> 'Concave Earth: Karman Line is not the Glass Sky
[23:37] <Laurenceb__> several minute of me trying to operate a clip mic
[23:39] <MikeUoN> so are you leo or laurence or the one and same? :/
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> I'm Laurence, guy on the video :D
[23:40] <chris_99> for your tests so far, are you using an off-the-shelf rocket, or..?
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[23:40] <MikeUoN> I thought that was Leo xD oh gosh so sorry xD
[23:41] <MikeUoN> Thoroughly enjoyed your talk.
[23:41] <Laurenceb__> were you at the conference Mike?
[23:41] <MikeUoN> Yep. :)
[23:41] <Laurenceb__> oh, maybe missed you
[23:42] <Laurenceb__> didnt realise there was anyone from Nottingham
[23:42] <MikeUoN> no worries, I didn't realise you were from notts either.
[23:42] <Laurenceb__> well I'm not any more lol
[23:42] <Laurenceb__> finished working for uni last week
[23:42] <MikeUoN> If you pass tower building and see a balloon on the top thats mine :PP
[23:43] <Laurenceb__> heh
[23:43] <MikeUoN> oh lol xD
[23:43] <MikeUoN> Anything exciting?
[23:43] <Laurenceb__> annoyingly (or not bank balance wise) I have a new job starting monday
[23:44] <MikeUoN> Cool. I presume you do electronics and/or mech stuff?
[23:44] <Laurenceb__> old job : mainly medical device CAD, testing, regulatory, new job: the same :P
[23:44] <MikeUoN> A different uni or private company?
[23:44] <Laurenceb__> private company - design consultancy
[23:44] <MikeUoN> ah well best of luck!
[23:45] <Laurenceb__> thanks
[23:45] <Laurenceb__> chris_99: tests so far have used Cesaroni bits and bobs
[23:45] <Laurenceb__> but we have been stuck on getting it to spin for ages
[23:46] <Laurenceb__> the plan as of last week was to use a Cesaroni motor with some minor mods to the top eject charge to stop it firing and reduce mass
[23:46] <chris_99> where do you buy them from out of interest, i just found http://www.rocketsandthings.com/ . I used to play with little estes rockets, but this sounds a lot cooler heh
[23:47] <chris_99> is the plan to eventually make a rockoon?
[23:47] <Laurenceb__> yes
[23:47] <Laurenceb__> current plan is to ground test a CF based custom Cesaroni casing next
[23:47] <Laurenceb__> yeah I use rocketsandthings
[23:48] <chris_99> nice :), do you have telemetry on the rocket?
[23:48] <Laurenceb__> yes
[23:48] <Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/tUC6qoc.png
[23:48] <Laurenceb__> nosecone and adaptor, telemetry fits inside
[23:48] <MikeUoN> How/what did you make those components from? They were paper thin.
[23:50] <Laurenceb__> SLS nylon, used a company in London who have an EOS P110 machine
[23:50] <Laurenceb__> its about £100 per litre build volume
[23:50] <MikeUoN> very nice
[23:51] <chris_99> you mentioned a nozzle, are you making that yourself? if so, is that from graphite?
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> It comes to me that launching from a guiderail with fins, you may incite whip-modes in the guiderail
[23:53] <Laurenceb__> no, just the stock nozzle
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[23:53] <SpeedEvil> To make it entertaining
[23:54] <MikeUoN> there's a funny video of that in the talk
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