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[07:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0UPU-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0UPU-9
[07:05] <UpuWork> wow how did that get o ut
[07:05] <UpuWork> that was a TX in the basement
[07:06] <eroomde> RF always finds a way
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[07:38] <fsphil> you can't stop the signal Mal
[07:38] <fsphil> except wifi when you're trying to watch netflix
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[08:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIGLET - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIGLET
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[08:16] <gonzo_> wnyone know who the eos-t2 team are, and any of them in this chan?
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PINKY after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PINKY
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[08:36] <chimpusm_> Well its looking like the Sony Rx100Miii wont be going up this weekend... Its decided to not turn on this morning
[08:38] <fsphil> :/
[08:38] <chimpusm_> Can;t really believe it
[08:41] <fsphil> no life in it at all?
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[08:43] <chimpusm_> dont seem so.. changed battery and the battery is fine in my rx100 mki
[08:44] <chimpusm_> not even a glimmer of power on to anything.
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[09:13] <chimpusm_> If i plugin usb it don't start to smell good... whats worse its outside warrenty :-(
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[09:14] <Andrew_M0NRD> National Hamfest launch has been postponed till tomorrow, any thing seen today on the map is just a demonstration
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=default_chase
[09:32] <gonzo_> Andrew_M0NRD, ta for the info
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[10:02] <G8FJG> BARC 434.650mhz flying over Sheffied at 29k $$$BARC,595,0,10:02:06,53.3643,-0.8891,29506m,10,&&&
[10:03] <craag> dat checksum
[10:04] <craag> is it really '&&&'?
[10:04] <G8FJG> yep
[10:04] <G8FJG> just came across it tuning around
[10:05] <craag> yeah they don't announce
[10:05] <craag> they'd built an arduino+ntx tracker without a checksum before, then they started using a pits
[10:06] <UpuWork> they never announce and don't use check sums
[10:06] <UpuWork> and it will loose lock on a fairly regular basis
[10:06] <craag> ah '29506m' that's their arduino one
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[10:07] <UpuWork> and it transmits useless information :)
[10:07] <G8FJG> like this ? $$BARC,613,0,04:00:00,0.0500,0.3667,62m,19,&&
[10:08] <chimpusm_> Hi
[10:08] <fsphil> urg
[10:08] <chimpusm_> wrong window
[10:09] <UpuWork> thats the one
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[10:17] <tripleclones> morning
[10:17] <tripleclones> is anyone here involved with the SA Catapult weekend this weekend?
[10:17] <G8FJG> think it popped @ $$$BARC,669,0,10:16:59,53.3653,-0.8507,33835m,10,&&&
[10:19] <eroomde> tripleclones: don't think so
[10:19] <eroomde> someone involved with organizing it asked here a while ago about organizing a balloon launch
[10:19] <eroomde> to fly the kits
[10:19] <eroomde> i don't know what came of that
[10:20] <G8FJG> yes down to 27k now
[10:20] <tripleclones> eroomde: no worries thanks, was just hoping to get a inside edge on Sundays flight ;)
[10:20] <tripleclones> guess I'll just wait and see
[10:21] <eroomde> oh, can't help you there i'm afriad. Are you attending it?
[10:21] <tripleclones> yeah - looked to good to miss out on for free
[10:21] <eroomde> hmm
[10:22] <tripleclones> taking son - it's more then I can arrange by myself at home at least :)
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[10:23] <eroomde> oh cool
[10:23] <eroomde> that's good then
[10:23] <eroomde> it looks like a nice introduction to a lot of this stuff
[10:23] <tripleclones> I hope so
[10:23] <eroomde> and there's lots of interesting stuff happening at harwell
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[10:25] <tripleclones> if he likes it then I might see if we can tag along with someone else's future flights ;)
[10:26] <eroomde> that's a really good idea
[10:26] <eroomde> you'll definitely see how actually quite easy it is to launch
[10:26] <eroomde> and then you'll have the bug
[10:26] <eroomde> and that'll be that :)
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[10:27] <eroomde> you'll go through all the 'well i'll just get a rtl dongle just for now because i don't want to spend any money on this really....' to 'i can't decide between a bladerf or an icom ic-7000 or a [blah]' within 3 months
[10:27] <eroomde> i see it happen to all sorts of people who thought they were strong
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[10:29] <tripleclones> we have already done the I'll get a rtl dongle becuase I don't want to spend to much and may be we can watch it from the side lines
[10:30] <eroomde> with a hab-amp you can track almost anything
[10:30] <eroomde> where are you based in the uk?
[10:30] <tripleclones> south coast
[10:31] <eroomde> where abouts roughly if you don't mind me asking?
[10:31] <tripleclones> I've already met craag IRL
[10:31] <eroomde> there's a lot near southampton
[10:31] <tripleclones> near Southampton
[10:31] <eroomde> oh fine
[10:31] <eroomde> cool
[10:31] <tripleclones> got invited to one launch already but couldn't make it
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[10:32] <craag> We'll let you know when we do another nearby :)
[10:32] <tripleclones> son is at senior school so he's already thinking about how he might be able to get school to talk to uni
[10:32] <RealBorg> last launch in austria was 2012 - no longer possible
[10:33] <tripleclones> cheers craag :)
[10:33] <eroomde> it's worth emphasising that a flight is eminently doable as a father-son thing
[10:34] <eroomde> doesn't need much resources - balloon, helium, tank of petrol to chase
[10:34] <eroomde> and making a flight computer is cheap, if time consuming (if you want to learn electronics while doing it)
[10:37] <craag> hows the SMI hab project going tripleclones ?
[10:38] <tripleclones> not sure the was a meet the other day but I couldn't make it. but certainly seems to have some traction since your visit
[10:38] <tripleclones> there*
[10:39] <RealBorg> eroomde, "friendly government"
[10:39] <eroomde> ?
[10:40] <RealBorg> in 2012 they did the launch in cooperation with the military (to get permission)
[10:40] <RealBorg> now even this is no longer possible
[10:40] <eroomde> i have no idea what you're talking about
[10:41] <eroomde> oh austria
[10:41] <eroomde> sorry i missed that earlier
[10:41] <RealBorg> you need a friendly government for launch
[10:41] <eroomde> well, no worries here because tripleclones, who's asking, is british
[10:41] <eroomde> so, all good
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[10:49] <G8FJG> lost BARC @2k looks like it'll land just north of RAF Scampton......"just"
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[10:55] <gonzo_> they flew earlier in the week. looks like they are busy
[10:55] <gonzo_> any notams for them?
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[12:07] <chimpusm_> I think someone is trying to tell me not to launch this weekend... So RX100 is dead and just spent nearly 1hr30 sorting out my messed up gas order..
[12:08] <fsphil> you're beting
[12:08] <fsphil> being tested*
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[12:08] <fsphil> this is why ISH time exists :)
[12:09] <chimpusm_> Now trying to sort out servo operation so i can get the older rx100 working.
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[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE3_RTTY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_CE3_RTTY
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[13:11] <DL7AD> .ping Lunar_Lander
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No contact from 03Lunar_Lander
[13:16] <fsphil> the eagle has not landed
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGEME - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
[13:19] <fsphil> hehe
[13:20] <eroomde> fail
[13:22] <mattbrejza> who made the payload doc for that...
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[13:25] Action: UpuWork points at chimpusm_
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[13:48] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2015/09/25/deep-sweep-a-home-made-sigint-platform/
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[13:49] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/OHQW62Y.jpg
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[13:50] <chimpusm_> Dont pick on me :-( i'm having a vert bad day... I'm not sure if one thing has worked first time today, except my long time battle with gopro hero 4 is actually playing nice today.
[13:50] <chimpusm_> vert/very
[13:51] <Laurenceb> hmm
[13:52] <Laurenceb> so the hero 4 is as bad as the 3?
[13:52] <Laurenceb> my hero 3 works about 20% of the time
[13:52] <chimpusm_> words dont describe my pain... lol
[13:52] <Laurenceb> same here :-(
[13:52] <chimpusm_> Heat is the main issue.. have it working fine even on a 128gb card if i can manage heat.
[13:52] <Laurenceb> I'm currently looking for a reliable high speed camera
[13:52] <chimpusm_> which thanks to Craag i might just have soemthing what may work
[13:53] <Laurenceb> I've basically given up hope with GoPro
[13:53] <chimpusm_> He reminded me to look at the heat sink that the waterproof case has. I have managed to mount just the heatsink to lens so that its outside my payload.
[13:54] <chimpusm_> Also added a heat sink to back. Not as major as this guy did. https://goo.gl/photos/GxQCcfYLRut3zQt38
[13:55] <chimpusm_> this is mine https://goo.gl/photos/XvNYJgXT7ESpcajT8
[13:55] <Laurenceb> heh
[13:56] <chimpusm_> So the metal around the lens in the last pics is the metal cover used as part of the lens on the waterproof case. Just removed from case and lens removed from it.
[13:57] <Laurenceb> I'm going to try one of these http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/actioncam/hdr-as100v-body-kit/specifications
[13:57] <Laurenceb> high speed spec is identical to gopro 3 and 4
[13:58] <chimpusm_> K dont get me wrong when i have used for instance on a quadrocopter it worked fine but was in good air flow
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[14:05] <Laurenceb> gopro is the camera from hell
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[14:15] <eroomde> people who understand media streaming devices: mum wants to be able to watch stuff on the home tv rather than always on her laptop. she is not that technical. all she uses is bbc iplayer and netflix. she will almost never have a home media server or stream arbitrary videos from her hdd or anything
[14:15] <eroomde> with this is mind, is there any different at all between apple tv, chromcast, amazon sticky-mcstickstick, or anything else?
[14:17] <craag> housemate has an amazon firetv and it's great
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[14:18] <craag> its fast enough for the interface to be silky smooth, he mostly uses it for netflix and iplayer, 'renting' movies off amazon store is really well integrated too
[14:18] <eroomde> that comes with a remote right?
[14:18] <craag> yep
[14:19] <craag> they're launching a new one atm I think
[14:19] <eroomde> that might help
[14:19] <craag> with voice commands too
[14:19] <craag> (haven't tried that :P)
[14:19] <eroomde> can you also hit a button in your browser and stream?
[14:19] <eroomde> as with chromecast
[14:19] <gonzo_> does it talk 'old lady'
[14:19] <eroomde> as i think that will go down well
[14:20] <craag> err he does something like that with his mac, not sure how easy it was to set up though
[14:20] <eroomde> because it doesn't involve learning anything much new. mum can still find it on her laptop and just hit a button which transfers it to the tv
[14:20] <craag> he used a chromecast at his last house, and vastly prefers usability of firetv.
[14:20] <craag> I don't know much more than that
[14:25] <lz1dev> chromecast 2 should be coming around 29th
[14:25] <lz1dev> btw
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[14:26] <chimpusm_> Have to admit the firetv stick has worked best for us
[14:26] <eroomde> oh right
[14:26] <eroomde> how is search?
[14:26] <chimpusm_> I liked the amazon on as it was all in rather than the chromecast that need you to send it content.
[14:26] <eroomde> because on 'smart TVs' and stuff trying to search youtube by arrowing through a virtual keyboard is absurdly stupid and torturous
[14:27] <eroomde> whereas i like the idea of finding the youtube vid on my laptop and then just hitting a button to have it play on the tv
[14:27] <lz1dev> smart tvs have alawys been a joke tbh
[14:27] <chimpusm_> does she have a smartphone at all? most now support using that for keyboard etc?
[14:27] <eroomde> no
[14:27] <lz1dev> even widi is terrible on the ones i've tested
[14:27] <eroomde> old nokia
[14:27] <chimpusm_> just like my mum lol
[14:27] <eroomde> probably zero desire to get a smart phone
[14:27] <eroomde> oh she does actually have a mini ipad
[14:27] <eroomde> which she likes
[14:28] <lz1dev> they'll like the smart phone, just needs time
[14:28] <eroomde> chromecast can presumably work with ipad and laptop
[14:28] <eroomde> the driving factor for me is that she probably doesn't want a new device with its own new interface
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[14:29] <lz1dev> chromecast is nice, since it integrated, you regonize the button and boom 2 clicks its on the tv
[14:29] <eroomde> but rather something that integrates with laptop or ipad or stuff she knows and extends it only a small amount with 'play this on the tv' - i feel like that's as far as i want to push it
[14:29] <chimpusm_> chromecast might best as will work along side ipad
[14:30] <lz1dev> you can stream the desktop via chrome, but thats....
[14:30] <lz1dev> they promised miracast integration via update, but that never happened
[14:30] <lz1dev> maybe chromecast 2
[14:31] <eroomde> yeah
[14:31] <eroomde> i'll wait for that
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[14:31] <eroomde> bday is 1st nov
[14:31] <lz1dev> supposedly 29th
[14:31] <eroomde> so i can wait for chromecast 2 to land and read reviews
[14:31] <lz1dev> i like how the leak screenshots are 200x200
[14:31] <lz1dev> with max jpeg compression
[14:32] <lz1dev> do they honestly expect me to believe thats actual leak?
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[14:34] <lz1dev> i sure hope this time around chomecast will be able to play video files
[14:36] <lz1dev> which reminds me, VLC have promised chromecast support in v3
[14:36] <craag> fyi eroomde looks like fire tv supports google cast
[14:36] <craag> the old one at least, so I assume the new one next month will
[14:37] <lz1dev> can i throw video files at firetv? (probably not)
[14:38] <craag> 'throw video files'?
[14:38] <craag> in what way?
[14:38] <lz1dev> i've got a random.avi, i want to play it on the tv
[14:39] <craag> hmm not without it being on a network share probably
[14:39] <craag> (until vlc gets casting :D)
[14:39] <lz1dev> thats not a problem
[14:39] <craag> it plays well off network shares and the plex app is great
[14:40] <craag> we use plex on a synology, it manages fine even without transcoding
[14:40] <lz1dev> but then again, i've got kodi
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[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE3_LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_CE3_LoRa
[15:31] <fsphil> oh new chromecast?
[15:31] <fsphil> quite like the old one
[15:33] <eroomde> apparently so
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-1
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[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BENNY_1 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BENNY_1
[16:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
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[16:54] <MikeUoN> Hello
[16:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> VE3KCL hjave new hf wspr balloon up Flight S-6 http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s6.html
[16:56] <MikeUoN> Another Mike! Hi there! Awesome project.
[16:57] <MikeUoN> Is that using the Qualatex balloon?
[17:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> I guess he is using two of them
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[17:10] <MikeUoN> Apologies, Mike, I thought that was your own project.
[17:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh, no :)
[17:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> but I´m buliding a similat setup
[17:11] <MikeUoN> Nice :)
[17:12] <MikeUoN> I'm planning to do as well.
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[17:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeap, I´m building it around the same hw as qrp labs u3
[17:23] <MikeUoN> cool, will you be launching it with two qualatex balloons, or a latex, or something else?
[17:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> if I get it to work Im building as light weight as I can, no batteries just solar and a supercap, i should be under 10grams so one balloon should be fine
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[17:30] <MikeUoN> Does not removing the Aluminium coating affect performance too much then? I thought about removing it, but it looks like that guy left the coating on.
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[17:37] <eroomde> UoN?
[17:37] <MikeUoN> Uni Nottingham :)
[17:37] <eroomde> oh awesome!
[17:37] <eroomde> good
[17:38] <MikeUoN> A friend suggested I visit here, my final year project involves a balloon (hopefully!). :D
[17:38] <eroomde> yep, def the right place
[17:38] <eroomde> and lots of uni and ex uni ballooners around
[17:38] <eroomde> lots of boring war stories and good immediate practical advice
[17:38] <MikeUoN> Fantastic set of resources you guys have made, really appreciate it. The CAA form has been most useful so far.
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> UKHAS ROCKS
[17:39] <MikeUoN> I may have seen the conference ;)
[17:39] <eroomde> oh cool
[17:39] <eroomde> i gave a coupla of talks
[17:39] <MikeUoN> Which were yours on?
[17:40] <eroomde> short history of cusf
[17:40] <eroomde> and parachutes 101
[17:41] <MikeUoN> I thought the parachute one was great, straight to the point and clear.
[17:41] <eroomde> yes it was a sort of public service announcement :)
[17:41] <MikeUoN> haha
[17:42] <eroomde> FuzzyLemon has since made one of the parachutes i suggested at the end
[17:42] <eroomde> it worked well - landed i think 800m from the spot that was predicated at burst
[17:42] <MikeUoN> wowza
[17:42] <daveake> I have the material at home; I'll make some chutes when I get home
[17:42] <MikeUoN> I will probably have a shot at making one too.
[17:42] <daveake> have enough for a few sizes
[17:43] <MikeUoN> At least for the first balloon.
[17:43] <eroomde> awesome
[17:43] <eroomde> well shout if you want any advice
[17:43] <eroomde> not so much on sewing
[17:43] <eroomde> i know nothing
[17:43] <MikeUoN> I probably will, haha, mechanical side of stuff I'm hopeless. ;)
[17:44] <eroomde> but in theory i know about aligning the material lay between different gores for maximum stress loading, but i don't think that really applies to balloons
[17:44] <eroomde> are you EE then?
[17:44] <MikeUoN> yep
[17:44] <eroomde> cool
[17:44] <MikeUoN> Wouldn't mind learning some fluid dynamics and whatnot.
[17:44] <eroomde> my personal opinion is that being an EE an learning mech is easier than the other way round
[17:45] <MikeUoN> thats a relief lol
[17:45] <MikeUoN> Are there any particular books or reasources that you would recommend?
[17:45] <eroomde> for fluid dynamics?
[17:45] <MikeUoN> Yeah.
[17:46] <eroomde> yes infact
[17:46] <eroomde> (I know just do thermodynamics and fluid dyanmics for a living. my bad luck)
[17:46] <MikeUoN> oh cool! You're a rocket scientist then? :D
[17:47] <eroomde> actually yes, as it happens
[17:47] <eroomde> so thermodynamics i re3commend 'concepts in thermodynamics' by blundell and blundell
[17:48] <eroomde> i believe they lecturered Laurenceb
[17:48] <eroomde> anyway the book is really good
[17:49] <MikeUoN> Nice
[17:49] <eroomde> and for aerodynamics specifically, assuming you have a bit of vector calculus, i recommend 'fundamentals of aerodynamics' by anderson
[17:49] <eroomde> it's good to approach things like shockwaves from both directions 9thermo and aero)
[17:49] <MikeUoN> ok cool.
[17:50] <MikeUoN> Just found the first one on Ebay
[17:50] <eroomde> get the 2nd edition
[17:50] <eroomde> i think they fixed a fair bit
[17:50] <eroomde> the thermo book i'd recommend first
[17:50] <MikeUoN> Okay, will do.
[17:50] <eroomde> aerodynamics is quite specific
[17:50] <eroomde> thermo is more just how to look at the universe and is useful for EE too
[17:50] <MikeUoN> I hate to be rude, but I gotta catch dinner before it closes.
[17:50] <eroomde> no probs
[17:50] <eroomde> ttfn
[17:50] <MikeUoN> bbs
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[18:10] <chimpusmaximus> Well that was an eventfull day.. One RX100miii is toast but managed to rig up a shutter control on another mki using a servo.
[18:10] <chimpusmaximus> So hopefully should still be ok for a Sunday flight
[18:13] <eroomde> ouch
[18:13] <eroomde> expensive ouch
[18:15] <MikeUoN> Is it still under warranty? :P
[18:15] <SM0ULC> anyone in progress of importing VE3KCL-tracking to habhub?
[18:17] <SM0ULC> (i might spend some time on it)
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[18:24] <chimpusmaximus> nope ran out in June.. just was totaly dead this morning. batery fine in anothe model. connected up usb to see and it started to give off electrical smell..
[18:24] <chimpusmaximus> Then had nightmares with picking up gas as they messed up and pretty much everything i touched has gone wrong.
[18:25] <MikeUoN> sorry to hear that :/
[18:27] <chimpusmaximus> thsnks
[18:27] <chimpusmaximus> thanks
[18:30] <chimpusmaximus> was just lucky i had the earlier model as well i could use. Still had to come up with a new way to do shutter but it seems to be working having tested most the day.
[18:33] <MikeUoN> Nice. :)
[18:33] <MikeUoN> And you said you'll be launching this Sunday?
[18:33] <MikeUoN> Is that going to be on the spacenear,us tracker?
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[18:41] <SM0ULC> VE3KCL-hysplit, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/180387_trj001.gif
[18:44] <Laurenceb> someone pung me
[18:44] <chimpusmaximus> Hope to Launch Sunday if weather and predictions look ok. Will be on tracker with both RTTY and LoRa
[18:45] <Laurenceb> ah yes Blundell, he was indeed my thermo lecturer :D
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[18:47] <eroomde> good lecturer Laurenceb?
[18:47] <eroomde> the book is good so i imagine he might be
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[18:49] <Laurenceb> yes he was
[18:49] <Laurenceb> MikeUoN: I just so happen to be at UoN atm
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[18:49] <Laurenceb> doing some contract work for their biosensors group late into the night...
[18:50] <Laurenceb> and failing epically
[18:50] <eroomde> friday evening fun huh
[18:50] <Laurenceb> just ripped a flexipcb in half
[18:50] <Laurenceb> yeah i live a fun life
[18:51] <Laurenceb> so this current sensor take 3 days to build
[18:51] <Laurenceb> so far I have a success rate of 0/3
[18:51] <Laurenceb> this is what happens when you outsource design to "consultants"
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[18:52] <Laurenceb> also 9 days of my life wasted
[18:53] <Laurenceb> at least I get paid.. on the + side, at this rate soon they will run out of money so I can return to productive activities
[18:58] Action: Laurenceb is wondering if he can glue a flexipcb back together
[19:01] <Laurenceb> the humpty dumpty project
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[19:17] <Laurenceb> nice, the layers have shifted and sheared off some of the vias internally
[19:17] <Laurenceb> well screw this, hometime :P
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