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[05:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ER1TUM/AM after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ER1TUM%2FAM
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[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ER1OR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ER1OR_chase
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[06:15] <ER1OR_> Hi all. We made it. ER1TUM/AM is alive at 6500m))
[06:20] <ER1TUM> Yeah, and using rotor + lna gives cool results - perfect receiving from 50 km!
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[06:49] <ER1TUM> -29 degrees Celsius! o_O what's the record?
[07:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3gbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3gbc_chase
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[07:16] <Vaizki> ER1TUM, below -50 is not unusual
[07:17] <ER1TUM> i don't say it's unusual, just curious about records :)
[07:18] <daveake> Are the pictures deliberately at a right-angle ?
[07:20] <ER1TUM> yeah, ER1OR said it was deliberated :D
[07:20] <daveake> OK, so why not rotate them in the tracker?
[07:21] <daveake> so that they appear as vertical images on the SSDV page
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[07:26] <ER1TUM> rotate? with script? too late to change anything now :)
[07:26] <daveake> Yes I know tthat
[07:26] <ER1TUM> and yeah, neck exercise :D
[07:26] <daveake> I asked why it wasn't done before
[07:26] <daveake> The PITS web site even tells you how to fix stuff like that http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=editing-the-code
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[07:31] <ER1TUM> i wasn't the one doing final assemble :)
[07:31] <ER1TUM> thx for link
[07:32] <fsphil> you're doing well receiving all the packets on your own
[07:34] <ER1TUM> rotor + lna ;)
[07:35] <ER1TUM> thx to guys from this chat i found a piece of software for auto-rotation
[07:35] <ER1TUM> modified it for hamlib support
[07:35] <ER1TUM> works perfectly ;)
[07:35] <ER1TUM> also wrote a small piece of code for geofence
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[07:43] <fsphil> sweet
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[07:59] <michal_f> daveake: I'm looking at prediction code in PITS, this looks interesting :)
[07:59] <michal_f> have you tested it in flight already ?
[07:59] <daveake> In flight no; with data from an existing flight yes
[08:03] <michal_f> how well did it work ?
[08:03] <daveake> iirc 600m out just after burst
[08:04] <daveake> I'll do some more testing as that's just 1 set of data
[08:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SR0FLY after 035 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR0FLY
[08:05] <michal_f> I was thinking on something similar yesterday when doing code for my payload, and I wonder if there are any elevation maps available on internet
[08:05] <ER1TUM> how this code works? does it send data by telemetry?
[08:06] <michal_f> so I could know distance to ground for a particular latLong
[08:06] <daveake> yeah that would be useful
[08:06] <daveake> a couple of flights have landed 1500m ASL so the error there is quite large
[08:07] <daveake> ^ at least
[08:07] <michal_f> are you going to use these predictions for something particular ?
[08:07] <daveake> What, like a homing paraglider type thing?
[08:07] <daveake> of course not :p
[08:09] <ER1TUM> so, what it is useful for this prediction code?
[08:11] <daveake> If you don't have an internet connection then it's nice if the telemetry can tell you where the flight is likely to land
[08:11] <daveake> Also, if you have a glider or guided parachute, and you want to target a certain landing spot, then you need to know what correction to apply
[08:12] <ER1TUM> so, as i thought, prediction is sent over telemetry, yes?
[08:14] <daveake> It's up to the tracker what it does with it. PITS doesn't currently include it in the payload telemetry.
[08:15] <daveake> What it does do is send it as a separate sentence with payload ID "XX" which is a special ID that appears on the map as an "X" instead of a balloon. This us for LoRa only, currently, and not RTTY.
[08:16] <ER1TUM> thx, now clear
[08:16] <craag> michal_f: You can get srtm data from http://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/
[08:17] <daveake> ta
[08:21] <michal_f> thanks
[08:29] <ER1TUM> yeah, we are landing! there was no need for geofence :)
[08:29] <ER1TUM> first flight and all good
[08:38] <ER1TUM> landed!
[08:38] <chimpusm_> Excellent well done
[08:39] <ER1TUM> thx!
[08:39] <chimpusm_> Impressed with your SSDV and no packet drops
[08:40] <ER1TUM> we are from National Center of Space Technologies, we have a decent telemetry station
[08:40] <ER1TUM> it makes possible such good receiving
[08:40] <chimpusm_> :-)
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[08:45] <ER1TUM> daveake, do you insert geo data into photos? raspistill allows it afaik
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[08:48] <daveake> No but you could using the above link :)
[08:49] <ER1TUM> i opened it but did not understand what it is useful for
[08:50] <daveake> Well it gives an example of how to change the raspistill parameters
[08:50] <daveake> which is what you suggested
[08:51] <ER1TUM> still don't understand you... :\
[08:53] <ER1TUM> have you thought of geo-tagging for photos?
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[08:54] <michal_f> http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/Eurasia/
[08:54] <michal_f> here are tiles of earth heightmao
[08:54] <michal_f> map*
[08:55] <michal_f> in approx 3 arc-seconds resolution (which is ~30 meters at eqator i think)
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[08:56] <craag> the link I posted has 1 arc-second resolution data
[08:57] <daveake> ERITUM Yes I have, but my point was that if you want to geotag, and I haven't added it myself, you can add it.
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[08:57] <michal_f> from what I read 1 arc-sec is not free (unless it's for scientific purposes) - but I might be wrong
[08:57] <craag> It's free as of last year
[08:58] <michal_f> ohh great
[08:58] <daveake> Same as I suggested for the rotation error - if the existing code doesn't do what you want, just modify it. That's what the page is all about.
[08:58] <ER1TUM> daveake, ah... i thought of another link )
[08:58] <ER1TUM> thx
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[08:58] <craag> michal_f: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-321
[08:59] <daveake> I think there have been 2 or 3 flights with rotated or inverted cameras, so that's something I will add to the standard code.
[09:00] <ER1TUM> would be cool
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[09:12] <michal_f> SRTM1 is only for USA though :)
[09:15] <craag> Err no it isn't
[09:15] <craag> it's global
[09:16] <craag> one sec
[09:17] <craag> michal_f: https://lta.cr.usgs.gov/SRTM1Arc
[09:18] <craag> It's all on that earthexplorer link I posted
[09:20] <michal_f> ok craag, thanks. I didn't realise I can download from that explorer
[09:22] <craag> btw sessions can be a bit broken on it, freezing on the 'Searching for ...' box, so I use incognito-mode to get a fresh session each time
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[09:31] Action: fsphil has visions of all the bad code that could be behind that
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[09:37] <michal_f> ok, I got one tile for my area, nice
[09:38] <michal_f> now I need to find how to bulk download entire Poland
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[09:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AVA - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AVA
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[10:41] <Beam_Balloon> Hello
[10:41] <Beam_Balloon> I'm buying an arduino
[10:41] <Beam_Balloon> which one is the best for big datapackages?
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[10:42] <Beam_Balloon> I'm going to store video's on an sd card, but for telemetry, which one is best?
[10:43] <Vaizki> huh
[10:43] <Vaizki> you are not going to do video to sdcard with an arduino
[10:43] <Beam_Balloon> why not
[10:43] <Beam_Balloon> ?
[10:43] <Beam_Balloon> XD
[10:43] <fsphil> not well anyway
[10:44] <Beam_Balloon> any other medium that is possible instead of SD card?
[10:44] <fsphil> avr/arduino > sd card is fine for telemetry though
[10:44] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[10:44] <Beam_Balloon> but I want to film it as well
[10:45] <Beam_Balloon> the mission that is
[10:45] <eroomde> have a separate camera
[10:45] <eroomde> with its own sd card
[10:45] <Beam_Balloon> that just saves everything
[10:45] <Beam_Balloon> gotcha
[10:45] <eroomde> have the arduino do gps and radio stuff separately
[10:45] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[10:45] <Beam_Balloon> so what is my buy list for that?
[10:46] <Beam_Balloon> I now have arduino, and ntx2b
[10:46] <eroomde> don't try and fuse the two as it'll just get needlessly complicated and the chip sued in an arduino can't write data to an sd card fast enough for what we would consider modern good-quality video
[10:46] <Beam_Balloon> what more for radio?
[10:46] <fsphil> good start
[10:46] <Vaizki> let me guess, you are launching in 2 weeks?
[10:46] <eroomde> mtx2 is probably a good radio to go for
[10:46] <Beam_Balloon> so what about antenna?
[10:46] <eroomde> we have a standard antenna type we recommend that you make yourself
[10:46] <eroomde> it has a good radiation pattern - a sort of downward facing cone from the balloon
[10:47] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[10:47] <eroomde> one second i will find a description
[10:47] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[10:47] <eroomde> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[10:47] <eroomde> there you go
[10:47] <eroomde> btw in general the ukhas wiki has everything you could ever need
[10:47] <eroomde> finding stuff can be hard though
[10:47] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[10:47] <Beam_Balloon> true
[10:47] <eroomde> best to use google with 'ukhas wiki [thing-you-want-to-find]'
[10:47] <Beam_Balloon> I'm now just trying to buy everything i'll need
[10:47] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[10:48] <Beam_Balloon> and price is not a big problem cause I've got sponsors
[10:49] <Beam_Balloon> so?
[10:49] <eroomde> it's not too expensive an undertaking anyway
[10:49] <Beam_Balloon> no not really
[10:51] <Beam_Balloon> youre right
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[10:55] <eroomde> when are you hoping to launch Beam_Balloon?
[10:55] <Beam_Balloon> before december
[10:55] <eroomde> UK-based?
[10:56] <Beam_Balloon> no netherlands
[10:56] <eroomde> right
[10:56] <eroomde> have we spoken before?
[10:57] <Beam_Balloon> yes we have
[10:57] <Beam_Balloon> twice
[10:57] <Beam_Balloon> really helpful
[10:57] <eroomde> cool - sorry i'm really bad with names, both irc names and real names
[10:57] <Beam_Balloon> no problem
[10:58] <eroomde> this was for some kind of extended project thing at school?
[10:58] <Beam_Balloon> yeah
[10:58] <eroomde> awesome
[10:58] <eroomde> i remember now
[10:58] <eroomde> excellent project to do
[10:58] <eroomde> i'd get started on writing software straight away
[10:59] <Beam_Balloon> thats the plan
[10:59] <Beam_Balloon> i just want to buy everything in one go
[10:59] <eroomde> just to get the hang on the C language. you'll not have any problems but it makes sense to start asap
[10:59] <eroomde> yeah fair enough
[10:59] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[10:59] <Beam_Balloon> so do you have a small list for me?
[10:59] <Beam_Balloon> XD
[11:00] <eroomde> nope!
[11:00] <eroomde> i really don't like the spoon-feeding thing
[11:00] <eroomde> i'll help you work through specific problems, but i won't spoon-feed
[11:00] <Beam_Balloon> fair enough
[11:00] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[11:00] <Beam_Balloon> thats actually good
[11:00] <Beam_Balloon> i need to learn
[11:00] <eroomde> yeah
[11:00] <Beam_Balloon> so ill just keep you updated then
[11:00] <eroomde> the arduino + radio + gps will keep you plenty busy for a while
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> yeah
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> just one thing
[11:01] <eroomde> before you need to worry about making flight boxes and anetnnas and so on
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> what radio, and what gos
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> true
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> i have no clue on that uet
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> yet*
[11:01] <eroomde> yeah, don't need to worry about it for now
[11:01] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[11:02] <Beam_Balloon> but coming back at the previous question
[11:02] <Beam_Balloon> what radio and gps
[11:02] <Beam_Balloon> that really bothers me now
[11:02] <eroomde> radiometrix mtx2
[11:02] <eroomde> for the radio
[11:02] <eroomde> ublox 8, for the gps
[11:02] <eroomde> you can get both from Upu
[11:02] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[11:02] <Beam_Balloon> thanks a lot
[11:02] <eroomde> or ntx2b
[11:03] <eroomde> Upu: do you have a preference for one or other of ntx2b vs mtx2?
[11:03] <Beam_Balloon> would you do ntx2b or ublox 8?
[11:03] <Beam_Balloon> wait
[11:03] <Beam_Balloon> which is which?
[11:04] <Beam_Balloon> ntx/mtx is radio, ublox is gps right?
[11:04] <eroomde> if you can answer that easily by googling, then please respect my time by not asking me to answer it for you
[11:04] <craag> ntx2b is probably the easier to deal with on stripboard/breadboard
[11:04] <Beam_Balloon> sorry
[11:04] <Beam_Balloon> yeah the tutorial is really clear, but it is only on the ntx2b so i think i'll go with that onew
[11:05] <Beam_Balloon> one*
[11:05] <eroomde> that sounds like a good plan
[11:05] <Beam_Balloon> okay nice
[11:05] <Beam_Balloon> so then the only thing left is the ublox 8
[11:05] <Beam_Balloon> it is really surprising how cheap everything is
[11:06] <eroomde> the joy of a consumer electronics revolution - this stuff is produced by the millions now
[11:07] <Beam_Balloon> yeah exactly
[11:08] <chimpusm_> Beam_Balloon: if your getting bits from Upu its also worthing thinking about a pigtail antenna and a sma header. Both you may find useful later on.
[11:08] <chimpusm_> Also going by your first few posts i assume you dont yet have the adruino?
[11:08] <Beam_Balloon> i dont yet, no
[11:09] <Beam_Balloon> my problem now is deciding which one to get
[11:09] <chimpusm_> I would suggest a arduino uno 3 and get it as part of a set with a breadboard etc. something like http://www.adafruit.com/products/170 will you you stuff to use and experiment with as you learn.
[11:11] <chimpusm_> An uno 3 keeps it simple and you can build upon it once you have things working on a breadboard you can move on to mounting on a proto shield like this http://www.adafruit.com/products/1141
[11:12] <chimpusm_> this linke gives an idea how you can build up etc http://www.adafruit.com/products/2077
[11:13] <Beam_Balloon> nice
[11:13] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[11:13] <Beam_Balloon> this is nice cause i needed something to experiment with
[11:14] <Beam_Balloon> so this kit (talking about the arduino kit) also includes an antenna right?
[11:14] <chimpusm_> If you start slow you will learn a lot and save a fair amount of time in future. Learn the basics in the kit from even just turning on an LED.
[11:14] <chimpusm_> No
[11:14] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[11:14] <Beam_Balloon> but you said something like that
[11:14] <Beam_Balloon> no scratch that
[11:14] <Beam_Balloon> sorry
[11:15] <chimpusm_> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_66&product_id=88 and http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_66&product_id=59 will give you a way to mount an antenna to either breadboard or shield.
[11:16] <Beam_Balloon> nice thanks
[11:16] <chimpusm_> the pigtail being made into the antenna.
[11:16] <chimpusm_> Keeps things simple and allows you to move from breadboard to a more permanent solution.
[11:17] <Beam_Balloon> what do you mean with that last thing?
[11:18] <chimpusm_> Well a breadboard is for working things out on.. So the connections are push fitted. The more permanent solution is to then once happy take those and solder to a proto shield.
[11:18] <eroomde> breadboard: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Breadboard_counter.jpg
[11:18] <chimpusm_> You then having something that will not fall apart when moved etc
[11:18] <chimpusm_> eroomde: cheers
[11:20] <Beam_Balloon> o right
[11:20] <Beam_Balloon> cool
[11:20] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[11:20] <chimpusm_> Testing on a breadbaord https://goo.gl/photos/Aov84qMWj7wFVUMH7
[11:21] <chimpusm_> More permeant solution once i was happy https://goo.gl/photos/gaN12Qk1ZwRPjyHz8
[11:21] <Beam_Balloon> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=68&search=arduino I saw this and i saw it on that picture too, is this an antenna?
[11:22] <Beam_Balloon> sorry, just in the meanwhile
[11:22] <Beam_Balloon> keep the rest coming
[11:22] <Beam_Balloon> XD
[11:22] <chimpusm_> That is the GPs and antenna for that
[11:22] <Beam_Balloon> right
[11:22] <chimpusm_> The pigtail etc is for the Radio
[11:22] <Beam_Balloon> so do you advise to buy that too?
[11:23] <chimpusm_> If you going to get GPs and ntx2b from ava then yes.
[11:23] <Beam_Balloon> okay
[11:23] <Beam_Balloon> cool
[11:23] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[11:30] <Beam_Balloon> so now this is my buying list, just as a conclusion to our conversation (my next lesson is about to start): http://www.adafruit.com/products/1141 and http://www.adafruit.com/products/170 for telemetry, http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=92 for radio, http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=68&search=arduino for antenna (plus the pigtail, coax jacket and wir
[11:32] <chimpusm_> That should get you close
[11:32] <Beam_Balloon> okay great
[11:32] <Beam_Balloon> thanks
[11:33] <chimpusm_> just don't be temped to even open the stuff from ava/UPU until you have learnt from the kit etc.
[11:33] <Beam_Balloon> yeah will do
[11:33] <Beam_Balloon> okay no i'll hurry to my next lesson
[11:33] <Beam_Balloon> thanks so much again all
[11:33] <Beam_Balloon> goodbye
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[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> from scratch to expert in 50 minutes ;-)
[11:47] <chimpusm_> :-)
[11:54] <Laurenceb> http://www.gigadevice.com/product-series/26.html?locale=en_US <- lol stm32f103 cloned
[11:56] <Laurenceb> the clone is slightly faster :P
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[12:00] <chimpusm_> I'm going to try and do some testing this week but i assume that people have looked at taking burst shots of photos and then trying to stitch afterwards.
[12:02] <chimpusm_> Just wondered if any one had any advice on possible time-lapse and number that worked out good. Initially was thinking 3 to 5 with about 1/3sec in between.
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> what for creating Pano's ?
[12:02] <chimpusm_> Yeah
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> it will depend on the day and the rate of rotation
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> not sure you can plan on that , other than using a long flight payload to reduce rotation
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> but then you might never get a complete rotation!
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cylindrical or SDPhericals
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sphericals
[12:04] <chimpusm_> yeah i think the best i expect is to be able to stitch a few together to build up a larger image.
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> I did Babs flight from the video stream extracated and then stiched from chosen shots
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> quality was adequate at best
[12:05] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[12:07] <chimpusm_> I might just stick with a set interval rather than burst. Not sure i can face the days i used to do event photography and have to review 1000's of images.
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Quite ;-) http://360.g8dhe.net/default.php?HAB
[12:09] <chimpusm_> Is the plugin quicktime?
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't remember on them, probably or Flash, html5 is only really now getting adequate
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[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can choose from the top left which to use or default
[12:10] <chimpusm_> cheers missed that
[12:11] <chimpusm_> The 1.5km height one has come out good
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> afk lunch
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[12:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.itworld.com/article/2984978/uk-gets-first-drone-conviction-after-flights-over-football-stadiums.html
[12:39] <jubatus> question about ceramic patch antennas: there is a ground plane metallized on the bottom surface of the antenna. HOWEVER there is a layer of double sided tape over it, which means when I stick the antenna to a PCB, I actually have 3 layers. The top of the patch antenna, the bottom of the patch antenna and the PCB ground plane. Question: is the antenna tuned taking into account the gap ?
[12:39] <jubatus> If I remove the tape and directly mount the antenna on the pcb will it affect the resonant frequency ?
[12:44] <eroomde> i don't think it will make much difference
[12:58] <jubatus> it feels like it should. in the first case the antenna is: metal-ceramic-airgap-pcb copper, whereas in the second case the antenna is metal-ceramic-metal/pcb copper.
[12:59] <craag> the antenna is metal - ceramic - metal
[13:00] <craag> anything underneath that second (grounded) layer of metal shouldn't make a difference
[13:00] <jubatus> not if the bottom metal is insulated from the ground plane by a layer of adhesive tape.
[13:00] <craag> I'm talking about the antenna itself
[13:00] <craag> it'll have an integral ground plane
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[13:02] <jubatus> which is not connected to anything if you use the antenna the way the manufacturer recommends (unless I've misinterpreted something)
[13:03] <craag> can you link it?
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[13:10] <jubatus> I was reading so many documents that I'm not sure which doc has it.
[13:11] <RealBorg> jubatus, it would make a difference if you put another ceramic on the other side
[13:11] <RealBorg> +antenna
[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 038 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[14:04] <RPF-JR> Thanks to everyone that helped decode and troubleshoot our PYCON1 flight!
[14:07] <fsphil> any idea what happened?
[14:07] <RPF-JR> Still nothing
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[14:08] <RPF-JR> have the payload sat right here and cannot decode
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[14:08] <RPF-JR> I'm wondering whether my radio is duff
[14:08] <fsphil> have you another to try with?
[14:09] <RPF-JR> not here
[14:09] <craag> Well done on receovering it regardless RPF-JR
[14:09] <RPF-JR> I have an SDR somewhere...
[14:09] <craag> that'd do
[14:09] <RPF-JR> We'd have struggled if it within sight of the road
[14:10] <RPF-JR> if it wasn't
[14:11] <RPF-JR> problem might have to be explored when I'm at home, still at pycon. SDR is buried in the car somewhere
[14:12] <craag> heh yeah, wait til you get home then :)
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[14:14] <craag> The radio signal was a little weaker than we'd have expected - might be worth checking the payload antenna before flying it again as well.
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[14:24] <tweetBot> @jrobinson_uk: #ukhas, here's a waterfall for my radio, for Pycon1 playing through mic rather than cable any ideas http://t.co/Shk9eFGIVs
[14:25] <jubatus> craag: http://www.antenna.com/artifacts/20116231357D_application_note.pdf
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[14:26] <craag> RPF-JR: Tried toggling 'Rv'?
[14:27] <RPF-JR> yeah I saw snippets of telem but no complete sentences with RV
[14:27] <craag> Hmm
[14:27] <craag> Compare with another receiver then
[14:28] <G7bag> Is it just me being thick or is the ukhas wiki a bit fragmented? I Keep coming up wth abbreviations I'm unfamiliar with and by time i find the answer I have fogotten the question!
[14:28] <craag> G7bag: a 'bit' :P
[14:28] <craag> yes
[14:28] <craag> very
[14:28] <RPF-JR> yeah I'll try tomorrow when home
[14:28] <RPF-JR> thanks again
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[14:29] <craag> np, congrats again!
[14:29] <craag> jubatus: So that module has the 'LNA PCB'
[14:29] <craag> The back of that (upwards facing) will be forming the ground plane of the antenna
[14:30] <craag> For increased performance, you can solder a larger ground plane to it
[14:30] <craag> Both options are given on p7
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[14:31] <G7bag> Just thought i would shake the tree and see what falls out!
[14:32] <craag> Volunteers to organise it are welcome ;)
[14:36] <craag> jubatus: Hmm reading that a bit more closely, it does imply that an additional ground plane is *required* with the 13mm model to tune it onto freq
[14:36] <craag> which is unusual
[14:36] <craag> but so is an antenna that small!
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[14:44] <LunarWork> hello
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[16:13] <fsphil> BARC seem to have launched
[16:13] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/BARC
[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> lets scan for freq.!
[16:24] <G8KNN> 434.453
[16:24] <eroomde> we should refuse to provide a direct link to their flight
[16:24] <eroomde> in their honour
[16:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks
[16:28] <PeteA> Whats the story here then?
[16:30] <eroomde> guy releases balloon
[16:30] <eroomde> love, loss, betrayal, redemption
[16:30] <eroomde> burst, fading, landing
[16:30] <eroomde> recovery, cut to credits
[16:31] <PeteA> Well, there was more emotion in that than i was expecting
[16:32] <PeteA> but nice to have it all resolve with a recovery
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[16:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> G8KNN, any height for them in the telelmetry can't see a signal yet ?
[16:40] <G8KNN> About 11.5km up
[16:41] <G8KNN> Over Doncaster
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> nothing on my wf at all any current position perhaps looking wrong direction ?
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> however most flight are North from here ;-)
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> right Doncater
[16:41] <G8KNN> Big signal here, but some very deep fades
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah still be low my horizon then!
[16:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha rising out of the noise
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[17:15] <SM0ULC> mm not tracking of BARC on the page?
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[17:23] <fsphil> I really like this current barc image
[17:31] <SA6BSS> barc burst
[17:38] <Upu> what dial ?
[17:38] <SA6BSS> 434.453
[17:41] <Upu> checksum "lol"
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[17:53] <Upu> right over one of my customers
[17:55] <Upu> 1.6km
[17:57] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=351ed844d879d5f4f476e233430760e7ceb32645
[17:57] <Upu> 910m
[17:58] <Upu> gone
[17:59] <fsphil> has the zoom control gone from the predictor for anyone else?
[17:59] <Upu> mouse wheel ?
[17:59] <fsphil> don't have one
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[18:14] <lz1dev> fsphil: are you a time traveler?
[18:17] <fsphil> I was yesterday :) going through a lot of my old magazines
[18:20] <lz1dev> eithe that or mac user
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[18:22] <fsphil> there is a zoom thing on the mousepad of my laptop, but I've had to disable it because that's where I rest my hand when typing
[18:23] <fsphil> I was constantly moving the mouse around and clicking on things by accient
[18:23] <fsphil> +d
[18:23] <fsphil> it's a thinkpad and has the little red joystick thing. I use that instead
[18:24] <lz1dev> rubbing the nipple
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[20:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FDK-15 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-15
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[21:21] <Maxell> Real Life Emoji Keyboard! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtBE9BOvvk
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