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[06:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[08:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3gbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3gbc_chase
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[09:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PYCON1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYCON1
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[09:38] <mclane_> Hello
[09:39] <mclane_> I am just testing a lora module from a company named Dorji
[09:39] <mclane_> found that they are much more frequency stable then the RFM98
[09:40] <mclane_> they are using the same SX1278 chip as HopeRF
[09:40] <mclane_> any experience from other people?
[09:41] <nats`> you're using it for LORA ?
[09:42] <mclane_> not only
[09:42] <nats`> in LORA it's not a problem
[09:42] <mclane_> I have a mixed lora / RTTy
[09:42] <daveake> More stable in what regard? Aside from one unit I've not seen much in the way of drift
[09:42] <craag> the dorji have a 10ppm xo iirc
[09:43] <mclane_> in order to save battery, I start transmission only every 40 s
[09:43] <craag> which is probably a bit better than what's on the hoperf stuff
[09:43] <mclane_> if I switch on the RFM, it drifts by several 100 Hz
[09:43] <daveake> The exception was a unit that would very quickly drift (iirc) about 2kHz when tx was turned on, so was useless for TDM
[09:43] <daveake> yeah similiar then
[09:44] <daveake> but that's the only one (in many) that I've seen do that
[09:44] <mclane_> I have 2 (out of 3) with that behavior
[09:44] <daveake> ok
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't seem to quote much about the Osc. http://www.dorji.com/docs/data/DRF1212D10.pdf
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[09:47] <mclane_> I have this : http://www.dorji.com/docs/data/DRF1278F.pdf
[09:47] <mclane_> nothing said about quartz stability either+
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[09:57] <fsphil> who are ER1TUM, and why are they filling up the ssdv page? :)
[09:58] <BenB> Anyone at the PyCon1 launch?
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[10:17] <Rpfjr> Hi is anyone able to track pycon1 434.600
[10:18] <Upu> is it up ?
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[10:18] <Rpfjr> Yeah
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[10:18] <craag> lines at 434.604 on websdr
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Looking for it nothing yet on the South Coast
[10:19] <Rpfjr> Working as we launch ed now cant decode
[10:19] <craag> Rpfjr: what baudrate?
[10:19] <craag> doesn't look like 300
[10:19] <Rpfjr> 300 i belive
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 300B/600Hz is it doing SSDV ?
[10:19] <craag> k
[10:20] <Rpfjr> Yez
[10:20] <Rpfjr> S
[10:20] <Rpfjr> Ssdv
[10:20] <Rpfjr> Sorry, typing on phone
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> nps
[10:21] <fsphil> nothing on the ssdv page yet. is it being received at the launch site?
[10:21] <Rpfjr> We had telem
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you still hearing it?
[10:22] <Rpfjr> Yeah we can hear
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> how long since launch, trying to estimate height ?
[10:22] <craag> I've got it v weak on websdr
[10:22] <Rpfjr> Phone app not decoding
[10:22] <craag> getting stronger
[10:22] <Rpfjr> 40 mins
[10:23] <craag> Rpfjr: Any way for you to make an audio recording and upload it?
[10:24] <Rpfjr> I can try
[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> seeing somethink on 434.604.5 with the right spacing
[10:26] <Rpfjr> Anyone got a twitter handle
[10:26] <craag> @philcrump2
[10:27] <craag> or tweet it #ukhas and it'll post in here
[10:27] <Rpfjr> Grr cant share to twitter, email?
[10:27] <craag> phil@philcrump.co.uk
[10:28] <daveake> Rpfjr Is the phone app set to 300 baud?
[10:28] <Rpfjr> Sent
[10:28] <daveake> Also is the signal visible in the waterfall?
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> can see it here now, not decoding ....
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[10:29] <craag> https://philcrump.co.uk/pycon1.aac
[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BENNY_1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BENNY_1
[10:30] <Rpf-jr> Got kicked
[10:30] <craag> Rpfjr: Thanks, can you record a longer length?
[10:30] <Rpf-jr> Someone is reciving we're going to chase
[10:30] <Rpf-jr> Will do
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah starting to decode now partials
[10:30] <craag> Yep get in the car and go
[10:31] <craag> head for predicted landing spot, then we'll sort out decoding
[10:31] <craag> Have you tried 'Rv'?
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> its partials here without Rv
[10:32] <craag> k
[10:32] <Rpf-jr> Were off im @jrobinson_uk
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> wonder what the ratio of ssdv to telemetry frames is ?
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[10:32] <daveake> default is 4:1 once above 2km
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4$PCON1,265,10:32:13,52.61591.-0.72286,12>8',55,8y$1,-4.1,5.8,68*ABC4
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[10:35] <Ben____> Anyone at the PyCon1 launch this morning?
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/PYCON1_20150920/
[10:36] <Ben____> Thanks Geoff
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[10:37] <fsphil> there we go
[10:37] <craag> Ben____: More pics: http://ssdv.habhub.org/PYCON1
[10:37] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PYCON1
[10:38] <daveake> nice
[10:39] <craag> is this the one with the sense hat on?
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[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> not a particularly strong signal, wonder if aerial is ok ?
[10:45] <craag> $$PYON.. is the best I've got so far
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[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting weaker with me, might be an inversion layer bending the signal ...
[10:48] <Andrew_M0NRD> quite near to PYCON1 but signal isn't strong and fading is making telemetry decode difficult
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wish G7LBL would sort out his location in fl-digi setup!
[10:51] <fsphil> hopefully PYCON won't land on a PYLON
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nah it will be 9 letters away from one
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> very calm up there today!
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[11:09] <G8FJG> thats annoying lost 1 frame right at the end...super stable signal here
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> really weak here for its height!
[11:12] <fsphil> looks like a nice day there
[11:12] <fsphil> total cloud cover here
[11:13] <G8FJG> yesterdays flight was about 30db up so could be vlow o/p
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> wonder what aerial they used?
[11:13] <G8FJG> clear blue down here on the marshes
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[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> lot of flutter now
[11:15] <piemagic> Hello there, Marsh Green Primary are seeking approval for a flight on Monday 28th September at 11am. The payload document in under the name BENNY_1 and a flight document has been created under the following reference. 76dee8c4753f4eaf840a624d92698f40. Really appreciate your help. Regards Charlotte, Liz and Paul
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> switch to the #habhub channel (/j #habhub) and post the Flight doc id there would be best
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[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-A2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-A2_chase
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[11:26] <PA0RPA> Receiving PYCON 1 . Very weak signal and drifting in frequency. Right receiving parameters layed in. Receiving for a short time unreadable data then FL Digi HAB stops displaying data. It's a pitty.....
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> if the dl-fldigi display area stops try scrolling it, it doesn't like the binary data form the SSDV packets.
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RaspberryPi_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RaspberryPi_chase
[11:35] <PA0RPA> Thanks G8DHE I will try
[11:35] <fsphil> I think that scrolling bug was fixed in the newest version
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> not seen a windows build for it yet :-(
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[11:36] <fsphil> the last released one I mean, a few years old now
[11:36] <fsphil> the bug was caused by fldigi treating decoded data as UTF-8
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> hum do you no the version number fsphil ?
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> know
[11:37] <fsphil> should be the one on https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
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[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats 3.21.50 which I'm using and it suffers the same ...
[11:38] <fsphil> I've been using that version (well, slightly modified) and haven't seen the scroll bug in ages
[11:42] <michal_f> I'm using 3.21.50 too and have scroll stops
[11:46] <fsphil> hmm
[11:46] <fsphil> does it work again after right clicking on the text box and clearing it?
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[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> burst
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[11:50] <G6SUQ_Graham> anyone having problems with the signal from PYCON1?
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup its weaker than normal
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> heading for a landing at the "North London Sky Diving Centre"
[11:52] <G6SUQ_Graham> oh, okay, that wuld explain! No flight announcement either ... purely by chance I found it.
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[11:53] <G6SUQ_Graham> Were their flights from y'day recovered?
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> haven't heard but the chase cars went upto the scene, stopped, stayed a while and departed!
[11:55] <G6SUQ_Graham> oh, okay ... they also landed not too far from me. Another flight that was not announced!
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> I rely on the calendar, as its done from he flight doc approval!
[11:56] <G6SUQ_Graham> well, yes, but you've gotta visit HANHUB every day and I don't get that chance; but I can check the Google group.
[11:56] <michal_f> fsphil, often it is enough to just scrolldown manually and ity starts again to work OK
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope there are plenty of little application to display on the desktop the iCal you use. Which OS ?
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[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> If win7 try http://wlcalendargadget.codeplex.com/
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[11:59] <RPF-JR> HI, figured out I set ssdv res too high
[12:01] <RPF-JR> So I assume that means we only get telemetry every so often
[12:02] <RPF-JR> Also is it falling to fast?
[12:02] <fsphil> sdsv packets have a fixed size, and telemetry can be placed between them
[12:02] <fsphil> ssdv*
[12:02] <RPF-JR> okay
[12:02] <fsphil> so the overall size of the image shouldn't matter
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> no it will slow once it gets back into denser air at around 10Km
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> G6SUQ_Graham, see here http://tinyurl.com/plm3v6t
[12:04] <G6SUQ_Graham> Geoff : where's that screen from?
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> my desktop!
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[12:05] <RPF-JR> any advice on recieveing, app can see signal but not decode
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> which App are you using ?
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> any pictures of the aerial on the payload ?
[12:06] <RPF-JR> hab tracker
[12:06] <fsphil> did it work in testing?
[12:06] <RPF-JR> yes work yesterday
[12:08] <fsphil> are you able to take a screenshot/photo of the display?
[12:10] <RPF-JR> doing now, what was twitter?
[12:11] <tweetBot> @jrobinson_uk: #ukhas, help :-) http://t.co/SSXvui9N7j
[12:12] <craag> RPF-JR: How is the receiver connected to the phone?
[12:12] <craag> cable?
[12:12] <craag> (there's a lot of background noise there)
[12:14] <RPF-JR> lot's of noise on the radio
[12:14] <RPF-JR> yeah cable or out loud
[12:14] <RPF-JR> tried both
[12:14] <craag> hmm
[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> descent slowed down nicely! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/PYCON1_20150920/index.php?ind=11
[12:14] <craag> what antenna are you suing?
[12:15] <craag> *using
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[12:22] <craag> FYI all this is a recording of what RPF-JR is getting: https://philcrump.co.uk/pycon1-2.aac
[12:22] <craag> massive amounts of noise
[12:23] <craag> might just be too weak for 300bd + so little telem
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[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Heading straight for the house and trees!
[12:45] <fsphil> yeah that signal looks very weak
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[13:02] <tweetBot> @jrobinson_uk: Done! #pyconuk #skycademy #pycon1 #ukhas http://t.co/e4V2OE5sI5
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[13:07] <tweetBot> @benbrpi: Good to see a safe landing @jrobinson_uk: Done! #pyconuk #skycademy #pycon1 #ukhas http://t.co/TmxXpZQkJR
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[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1YOF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1YOF-11
[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W1YA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1YA-11
[13:11] <tweetBot> @Coding2Learn: A flawless launch and capture https://t.co/s5tLtyJmGz
[13:18] <Ben____> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE for HAB charts for PyCon1
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> NPS do it for them all, if you want a circular tour of the flight I'll put one up this evening
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[13:42] <tweetBot> @stewartwatkiss: Well done on a successful flight. https://t.co/z1vQeMYuZ2
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[14:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP2YAP - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP2YAP
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[14:16] <Ben____> Thay would be great Geoff. See you
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[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pycon1 Object movie http://is.gd/1O0Gkf
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[14:44] <chimpusmax_win> Bit gutted i missed flight this morning considering it came close to me.
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> run a calendar on the desktop, that way anything thats approved" appears!
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[14:55] <chimpusmax_win> Was mor ei was busy and did not check predictor. after yesterdays one i just did not think it would come this way.
[14:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PINKY after 0311 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PINKY
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sabrina133_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sabrina133_chase
[15:07] <DoYouKnow> anyone here do any astronomy in near-space?
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[15:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3gbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3gbc_chase
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[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> you probably saw it already
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> this http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/nh-apluto-wide-9-17-15-final_0.png
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah turbulence
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> a wide field in physics
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[16:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-8
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[16:21] <chimpusmaximus> Who is going to own up to the pink pig on SSDV?
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[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W9UVI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W9UVI-11
[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB4ZOD-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB4ZOD-12
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[17:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-54 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-54
[17:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK3YT-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3YT-11
[17:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Q9UVI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Q9UVI-11
[17:30] <SA6BSS> great!! over Mexico :)
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> hej SA6BSS
[17:33] <SA6BSS> hallÄ :)
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K6RPT-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
[17:59] <SA6BSS> and a k6rpt, lets se how many turn around the globe this one goes...
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[18:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIGLET - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIGLET
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[19:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7ALB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7ALB-11
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[20:20] <ntx2> hi - after receiving the balloon and parachute...how does one tie them to the payload....? I do not see information about these steps...
[20:21] <ntx2> I am a bit nervous about this since if I mess up in how I connect them, I might lose my payload
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[20:26] <eroomde> ntx2: there isn't information about everything. there is room for independent thought
[20:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:knots?s[]=knots
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[21:02] <pjm> hello
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[21:10] <Vaizki> hey it's vaizki's noob question time again.. if I have a reference clock signal but it's sine wave and not square/pulse, is it somehow standardized exactly at what point of the cycle will equipment trigger the clock from? :O
[21:10] <Vaizki> I would imagine zero crossing on a rising edge would make sense but..?
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[21:17] <fsphil> I have no idea but that sounds pretty logical :)
[21:19] <Vaizki> thing is that most micros etc hate negative voltage so if used to directly clock a circuit, couldn't really run a sine clock unless it was biased to be above 0V at all times..
[21:20] <Vaizki> and then I guess it would depend on the chip silicon on what voltages the ttl would show a transition from 0 -> 1
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[21:42] <fsphil> could convert it with a comparator
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[21:45] <craag> a double schmitt inverter I've seen used for that
[21:46] <craag> ie. 2 in series
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[21:46] <craag> on every device so you've got the same threshold and delay on each
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[22:07] <Vaizki> right.. what I'm reading between the line is "just get yout clock into a square wave" .. :)
[22:07] <Vaizki> lines
[22:10] <craag> yep
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