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[09:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[10:21] <amell> Any idea who to call if payload is trapped on power lines?
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[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I believe Steve has a licence, training and pole for such activities ..
[10:24] <amell> Really? Hmm.
[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Seen some photo's
[10:24] <amell> Rocket is stuck on a power line near Nuneaton
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[10:24] <michal_f> hi
[10:24] <michal_f> anyone from Poland around ?
[10:25] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE: so someone licensed to recover will be able to get it off? It's only 6m up
[10:25] <amell> I will email Steve
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Think it also depends on the voltage of the line but at 6m sounds a possibility
[10:29] <amell> I've emailed Steve. Hope he will give me a pointer to someone licensed locally.
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Did the trackign work OK ?
[10:30] <amell> Yep. Beautifully. I just hope battery runs out soon as I can't use my other tracker easily.
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes true!
[10:30] <amell> Same frequency and not got the stuff to change it on site
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You wanted this to happen Upu uploaded it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkd3hL6hJ80
[10:33] <amell> Is Steve launching today?
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No idea, haven't seen heard him for a while
[10:36] <amell> Got a mobile number for him ?
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nope
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[10:38] <amell> Found one on his website. Have sent sms.
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> good luck
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[10:41] <amell> Someone with lora receiver around Nuneaton area should be able to pick it up :)
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[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> amell, He has certainly landed on them before, but can't see the image of him with stick etc. https://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/11621713984/in/photostream/
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[11:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[11:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anyone hearing the dutch ballon yet?
[11:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Station frequency details
[11:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Beacon probe 145 450 MHz FM 100 mW. Heard throughout the Netherlands and far around it.
[11:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Probe transponder 432 550 MHz in 145,475 MHz from 70 cm to 2 m FM
[11:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Probe ATV video 2330 MHz Among other visible through PI6ATV. Power consumption: 1 W. With Video Overlay.
[11:18] <bertrik> I'm hearing it, but I'm very near :)
[11:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bertrik hi, how is the signal?
[11:19] <bertrik> quite clear, but with a lot of fading every few seconds
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[11:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> how is the signal on 450 vs 475?
[11:21] <bertrik> hard to say, I think about the same
[11:22] <bertrik> both getting a bit worse now vs 5 minutes ago
[11:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, will not hear it before it gets to ~17km alt
[11:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but the ballon control on 7082 is getting in fine
[11:24] <bertrik> OZ1SKY_Brian: but can you understand dutch? :P
[11:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> only abit, but they also do some english
[11:25] <PE0SAT> OZ1SKY_Brian: Live images http://www.pi6atv.com/live.html
[11:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE0SAT thanks
[11:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> please report alt those of you who can :-)
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[11:28] <bertrik> it's a bit of a mess right now
[11:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE0SAT why have a never wrk you before?
[11:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> a=i
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[11:29] <PE0SAT> We can make a sked
[11:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi, better way for some tropo i think.
[11:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Will try to make a call over the repeater later if possible
[11:30] <PE0SAT> It is a mess on the transponder freq
[11:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE0SAT ok, its a shame its not a control you call, so everyone can make a short qso with control
[11:30] <jarod> Anyone has a clue what this is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oyp4pnNMMM - 131.925 MHz - No Idea - 1080p
[11:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like a airport beacon, it got the two AM sidebands, but normally its a carrier with cw on the sidebands
[11:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so looks like a "broken" airport beacon'
[11:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> like this:
[11:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uREqUvxWyEk
[11:33] <PE0SAT> OZ1SKY_Brian: 10km
[11:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
[11:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 7 more to go before LOS
[11:34] <jarod> ya, but the freq is all wrong
[11:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jarod yes its a bit high
[11:38] <bertrik> OZ1SKY_Brian: 14 km
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[11:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander hi
[11:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bertrik ok getting close to 17
[11:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bertrik getting a weak signal on 145475 in ssb mode
[11:43] <jarod> 145.476 NFM
[11:43] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: Listening to the Transponder Downlink of the Dutch Annual Balloon Foxhunt at ~145.475 MHz FM #ukhas #hamradio #hamr http://t.co/6TwADQTC8y
[11:44] <bertrik> OZ1SKY_Brian: apparently it's going north
[11:45] <PE0SAT> North East
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[11:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nice
[11:48] <bertrik> some non-dutch stations are getting in now
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[11:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> weak voice now
[11:54] <PE0SAT> OZ1SKY_Brian: Thanks
[11:55] <PE0SAT> OZ1SKY_Brian: and the beacon on 145.450?
[11:55] <bertrik> OZ1SKY_Brian: I think jarod is streaming his balloon reception on http://78.129.167.24:9930/listen.pls
[11:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE0SAT its abit weaker
[11:56] <PE0SAT> Thx
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[11:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> chaos on the tpx
[11:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> peak up to s3 now
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[12:01] <gb73d> Anyone is the dutch foxhunt balloon in the air ?
[12:01] <PE0SAT> gb73d:
[12:01] <PE0SAT> Yes it is
[12:02] <gb73d> excellent I am monitoring 145.45 fm from 30m west of London
[12:02] <gb73d> ty
[12:02] <PE0SAT> beacon 145.450 transponder output 145.475, input 432.550
[12:04] <jarod> 145.476 :)
[12:05] <PE0SAT> jarod: I guess some doppler :D
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[12:09] <Maxell> yeah quite drifty
[12:12] <gb73d> What is the altitude atm ?
[12:12] <PE0SAT> Latest info 16km
[12:13] <gb73d> ty
[12:13] <gb73d> no signal atm here
[12:15] <bertrik> live video at http://pa3weg.nl/
[12:15] <gonzo_> did see a weak sig. It does not look to be transmitting constantly
[12:16] <gonzo_> just keyed up
[12:16] <gonzo_> centred on 145.4527
[12:17] <gonzo_> stopped
[12:19] <PE0SAT> gonzo_: Spectrum - http://janvgils.home.xs4all.nl/download/Balloon/balloon.png
[12:20] <gonzo_> keyed again. Looks like it's every 5min,
[12:20] <PE0SAT> Left beacon, right voice transponder
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[12:21] <Maxell> vlc http://b2b.rr.kpnstreaming.nl/hls/live/b2b/pi6atv/live/pi6atv/pi6atv/index.m3u8
[12:23] <PE0SAT> Balloon 23km
[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)
[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> I see something
[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> seems to be descending
[12:24] <gonzo_> can hear the repeater/transponder. But not strong enough to get demod in FM
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> what are the white bargraphs?
[12:26] <SM0ULC> my vlc carshes after a few secs
[12:27] <gonzo_> nice payload. Shame we can't fly this stuff
[12:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> peak s6 now
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> caller from australia
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> are they talking via the balloon?
[12:31] <SM0ULC> only me with vlc-problems?
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> mine works
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[12:36] <PE2BZ> ghts
[12:36] <PE2BZ> !flights
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
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[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> no audio anymore
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[12:38] <PE2BZ> Hi all. Above Holland the ¨Fox hunt Balloon 2015¨ is flying. Does anyone receive a packet like signal on 439.4625 and make a guess about what kind of signal that is ? Trying to locate the tracker device ;-)
[12:39] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: Dutch #HamRadio balloon transponder downlink 145.475 MHz FM Uplink 432.550 MHz #hamr WebSDR http://t.co/uimFH78yCW https://t.co/k97GivMr5W
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[12:39] <bertrik> oh, that's the secret telemetry downlink? :D
[12:41] <PE2BZ> bertrik I hope so ;-) I am 200 km away from the landing prediction, but hacking the telemetry is allowed :-)
[12:41] <bertrik> PE2BZ: I can hear it, I hear a leader/preamble and then a short modem sound
[12:41] <PE2BZ> bertrik thats the one I mean indeed. Where are you located ?
[12:41] <bertrik> PE2BZ: gouda
[12:42] <PE2BZ> The signal started S9 around 13:00 LT and is now S3 - S5 with fading. AFSK1200 shows no info from this frequency however.
[12:42] <PE2BZ> I am from Naaldwijk
[12:43] <bertrik> you can record it in audacity for example and see what bit rate it is
[12:43] <bertrik> I hear it, but not super clear, and I'm only using a portable
[12:44] <PE2BZ> bertrik can you give me a clue about reading the bitrate from the recording ?
[12:46] <bertrik> check if you can see common time length in the beeps
[12:47] <bertrik> PE2BZ: if you can make a recording, I can analyze it
[12:47] <PE2BZ> bertrik thanks ! One packet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bldkmvu4q0cbd5i/4394625_13092015.wav?dl=0
[12:48] <PE2BZ> bertrik: I have to open the door for one of the QRP´s. BRB
[12:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> burst?
[12:51] <SM0ULC> "dalende" :)
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[12:51] <ER1OR> how can help, logtail parser says that checksum is bad. PITS board. telemetry: $$ER0UTM,305,12:42:22,47.06190,28.86827,00154,0,0,10,33.6,0.0,0*6E6D
[12:53] <bertrik> PE2BZ: it does look like 1200 bd AFSK
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ER1OR, Its says "Incorrect number of fields (got 11, expect 10)"
[12:55] <PE2BZ> bertrik Thanks. That´s what I thought to hear, however pitty that AFSK1200 ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmm/ ) shows no data at all
[12:55] <bertrik> the preamble is 1200 Hz, and the bit timing seems to be about 0.88 ms or so
[12:55] <ER1OR> i tried the wirard. the site is parsing the checksum 0*6E6D like two fields of telemetry.
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you have an extra Integer at the end
[12:57] <ER1OR> hmm, standard PITS configuration.
[12:57] <Sirius-BE1> That came with the new PITS software
[12:58] <gb73d> nosig from here i have a discone and its in the loft high noise lvl prooly there but i can hear it
[12:58] <Sirius-BE1> just add manually a new field
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You are sending 11 fields the payload only defines 10
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[12:59] <ER1OR> thx. i will try))
[12:59] <gb73d> cant
[13:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> better check in on 7082 btw
[13:02] <PE2BZ> bertrik Thanks, some puzzling to do next week. Made a one hour IQ recording so I kept some packets.
[13:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ER0UTM - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ER0UTM
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> He made it!
[13:04] <Sirius-BE1> :-)
[13:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> BARC @ 434.453 570 8n2 300baud
[13:05] <ER1OR> ))
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> But what is the extra field ?
[13:06] <daveake> Battery current
[13:06] <daveake> Not that it's worth logging :)
[13:06] <Sirius-BE1> That puzzeled me too... I don't know. It came with the new PITS software
[13:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> check in done, fine signals
[13:07] <gb73d> 7082 lsb copy 59
[13:07] <daveake> The field list is h/w dependent
[13:07] <Sirius-BE1> ah... does PITS measure current?
[13:07] <daveake> PITS+ does yes
[13:07] <daveake> Also if you add a second DS18B20 then that gets included
[13:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gb73d did you hear my check in?
[13:07] <gb73d> tooo late
[13:07] <daveake> Ditto if a BMP085/180 is enabled
[13:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[13:08] <gb73d> decsending 7km
[13:09] <gb73d> hunters looking for it on ground soon
[13:09] <daveake> I might add a "create me a payload doc" function to pits
[13:09] <PE2BZ> !flights
[13:09] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ER1OR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ER1OR_chase
[13:10] <gb73d> Hi Dave! M1ELK here
[13:11] <gb73d> how a bout a 40m hf beacon on the ducth ballon next year
[13:11] <bertrik> PE2BZ: this is how I try to determine the bit rate: I put audacity in spectrum mode and count some bits, then divide number of samples by number of bits and sample rate: https://i.imgur.com/iSvxAcN.png
[13:12] <gb73d> might reach further
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[13:15] <gb73d> alt 1200m
[13:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 1200meters now they said on 7082
[13:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 500meters
[13:18] <gb73d> alt 500m
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[13:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[13:19] <PE2BZ> bertrik Blond question, how do you tell audicity to go in spectrum mode ? If I choose Analyse / Spectrum mode I get a new window with the frequency spectrum :-(
[13:20] <gb73d> touchdown
[13:20] <gb73d> PI4RCG nice sigs
[13:20] <bertrik> PE2BZ: click on the file name (next to the X) and select Spectrogram from the drop-down menu
[13:21] <bertrik> you might have to tweak the spectrogram settings a bit under Edit / Preferences / Spectrograms
[13:21] <gb73d> must do this dutch ballllon next year too
[13:21] <gb73d> ty all
[13:22] <MarkIreland> Is there any difference between the Yaesu FT60E and the FT60R ?
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> Big whirls have little whirls that feed on their velocity, and little whirls have lesser whirls and so on to viscosity.
[13:23] <MarkIreland> OK found it:
[13:23] <MarkIreland> All procedures in this book were tested on my FT-60R which I bought in the USA. The FT-60E is for use within the European Union. They differ by the permanent data related to frequencies and signaling for each jurisdiction.
[13:33] <PE2BZ> bertrik Can you give me your spectrogram settings ? I can not zoom in far enough to see the actual waveform like in the example you sent me. The data packages stopped 15 minutes ago for me and for a radio amateur close to the landing they stopped 3 minutes after expected touchdown.
[13:34] <PE2BZ> BARC is not listed as flight but shows on habmap at 21 km and rising. Any info on the payload anyone ?
[13:34] <bertrik> PE2BZ: window size 128 and window type hanning
[13:36] <gb73d> located to ballooon
[13:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> 434.453 570 8n2 300baud
[13:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> + ssdv
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[13:59] <PE2BZ> bertrik thanks again. Had to re-open the file after changing the spectogram settings and now it looks like your image. There are more ¨unknown¨ signals in the 401 - 406 MHz band I like to look closer at
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[14:01] <SM0ULC> SA6BSS-Mike: god eftermiddag!
[14:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> tjena
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[14:03] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike thanks . Decoded image packet ;-)
[14:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[14:12] <PA0RPA> Frequency of BARC Balloon ???
[14:12] <PE2BZ> 434.453 MHz
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[14:12] <PE2BZ> 570 8n2 300 baud
[14:13] <PE2BZ> Stolen from SA6BSS info ;-)
[14:13] <PA0RPA> TNX
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[14:14] <Maxell> BARC Balloon?
[14:14] <PE2BZ> 434.453 MHz
[14:14] <PE2BZ> 570 8n2 300 baud
[14:14] <Maxell> 300 baud here decoding on android hab tracker
[14:14] <Maxell> Fading a lot.
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[14:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3gbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3gbc_chase
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[14:21] <pa3bwe> what sw do i need to decode barc image ? any link appreciated!
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> dl-fldigi 3.21
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
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[14:25] <pa3bwe> aha found the ssdv rx function in fl-digi!
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[14:33] <Maxell> Yeah. 300 baud. It's too weak here yet :(
[14:33] <Maxell> I can see the telmetry string however it is still missing chars
[14:35] <pd3t> IT's hard enough to decode but ifl-digi isn't decoding enything
[14:37] <pd3t> !flights
[14:37] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: There are no flights currently :(
[14:37] <pd3t> hmm it fell of my radar
[14:37] <Maxell> BARC gone?
[14:38] <pd3t> very very weak
[14:38] <pd3t> is it sending out ssdv?
[14:38] <PA0RPA> PA0RPA also very weak
[14:39] <PA0RPA> No detection any more of BARC
[14:39] <pd3t> PA0RPA what's your qth?
[14:40] <PA0RPA> JO21DL Bergen op Zoom The Netherlands
[14:41] <Maxell> BARC back at full strenght
[14:41] <Maxell> No single valid packet yet.
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> burst
[14:43] <Maxell> Confirmed rapid fading
[14:43] <pd3t> now it's tubling like hell ;)
[14:43] <Maxell> heheh
[14:44] <pd3t> q$$BARC,599,14:44:10,53.98218,-1.09707,2449,1461027.6,4.3,232*268D
[14:44] <pd3t> almost ;)
[14:44] <Maxell> wow
[14:44] <Maxell> Thats even more decoding then I have had all this time before.
[14:45] <PA0RPA> Shift BARC is 570 Hz ??
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> 590Hz 8N2
[14:47] <PA0RPA> Tnx receiving, fading no detection
[14:48] <Maxell> Still rapidly fading indeed.
[14:48] <mattbrejza> oh they have a checksum now
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> there will be flight doc's next ;-)
[14:52] <craag> mattbrejza: I believe it's a PITS ;)
[14:52] <mattbrejza> oh i see
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[14:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-53 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-53
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[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> hey craag
[15:44] <craag> yo
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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[16:38] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: ping
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[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD
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[17:06] <LunarMobile> Hello from.the kitchen
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[17:20] <Laurenceb__> are there any videos up online of balloobs filmed from the ground?
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> There was a video of a burst from the ground.
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> But it's very wobbly
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[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> another weekend has come and gone
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[17:36] <gb73d> over 5 hourrs to go yet :)
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
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[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
[17:48] <mclane_> Hello
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[17:49] <mclane_> ok
[17:49] <mclane_> and you?
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> same here
[18:03] <mclane_> what about your next flight?
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[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> working towards it
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> rest of the team is on vacation
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> thus thinking about some improvements to the software
[18:18] <mclane_> some new things?
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> but interrupt
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> radio says, sheep theft is a big problem in the UK
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea maybe automatic averaging of acclerometer values
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[18:30] <arko> http://laist.com/2015/09/13/google_research_balloon_crashes_int.php
[18:31] <arko> yikes
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> not nice
[18:36] <ulfr> oops
[18:36] <ulfr> Poor innocent palm tree.
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[18:40] <Quantum_> hello?
[18:42] <ulfr> hi
[18:43] <Quantum_> new here - what reciver setup would be necessary to track balloon in the US, specifically South Carolina?
[18:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> a rtl-sdr stick goes a long way,
[18:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> are you working from car or base?
[18:46] <Quantum_> would like to track from base, but what would you recommend
[18:46] <Quantum_> define long way
[18:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> some sort of omni antenna for tracking and a small yagi for finding payload
[18:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> almost or same as a ft817
[18:47] <Quantum_> is there documentation for searching using the yagi?
[18:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah all over internet, bust best way is to place your payload someware and practice on how it behave
[18:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> when you got your yagi
[18:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> downside with a rtl stick is that u have to carry a computer when you tracking on ground
[18:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> what telemetry are u using rtty or aprs?
[18:51] <Quantum_> idk, im in very early planning stages
[18:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah ok
[18:51] <Quantum_> what would you recommend
[18:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> if u use aprs you can go with a cheap baufeng handheld radio
[18:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> cant say realy
[18:53] <Quantum_> I'm planning on using a raspi + pi in the sky board for payload, could a raspi be connected to a funcube and uploaded to the habhub tracker over LTE?
[18:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> the funcube recive and upload pisky to habhub
[18:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> pisky board is connected to the rasberrypi
[18:55] <Quantum_> multiple raspis invloved, one on ground, one in payload
[18:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> funcube recive the telemetry and upload to habhub/tracker page over what ever internet connection u have . lte is fine
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[18:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah ok
[18:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> guess u could but use a laptop for simplicity
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[18:57] <Quantum_> will the pi in the sky work with funcube?
[18:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont know, lets se if there is anyone else that knows this
[18:57] <daveake> Payload: PITS + Pi
[18:58] <daveake> Receiver: Funcube+laptop
[18:58] <daveake> or any other good SDR + laptop
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[18:58] <Quantum_> define any other good sdr
[18:58] <daveake> or real SSB UHF radio + Android phone or tablet
[18:58] <daveake> Airspy, SDRPlay
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[18:59] <daveake> Also you will need a ham licence
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[18:59] <Quantum_> no issues with laptop being mac?
[19:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> mac is fine
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[19:01] <Quantum_> what class of license would i need, and if an organization launches the balloon, does everyone need a licese
[19:01] <daveake> The basic licence is fine; just one person in the team needs it
[19:02] <Quantum_> basic = technician?
[19:02] <daveake> correct
[19:04] <Quantum_> pits is listed as supporting ssdv,what do i need to do to recive
[19:04] <daveake> nothing extra
[19:04] <Quantum_> how would i view them while flight in progress?
[19:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> in dl-fldigi just press "s"
[19:05] <daveake> The Mac decoding s/w (dl-fldigi) does it
[19:06] <Quantum_> would i need to carry the tracker in the chase car?
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[19:06] <daveake> s/the/a
[19:07] <daveake> Once it's landed you need to be close to receive data
[19:07] <Quantum_> do you know anything about pits and lora?
[19:07] <daveake> So if you don't have radio/decoder in the car, you're not going to be able to receive the landing position
[19:07] <daveake> er, yes
[19:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[19:08] <Quantum_> how is it different from other tracking methods
[19:09] <daveake> well unlike rtty it is decodable with a pi on the ground
[19:09] <Quantum_> could i still upload it to habhub tracker?
[19:09] <daveake> You then have a lora board on the pits tracker and another to receive on the ground
[19:09] <daveake> yes the supplied s/w links to habhub
[19:10] <Quantum_> could you elaborate?
[19:11] <daveake> not sure how
[19:11] <Quantum_> which would be eaisier
[19:12] <daveake> it isn't one or the other; lora is an addition to the pits board
[19:12] <daveake> pits gives you rtty; the lora board adds lora
[19:13] <Quantum_> rtty or lora? which is better?
[19:13] <Quantum_> or am i misunderstanding
[19:14] <daveake> The lora board does not work on its own. It has no GPS. It has no battery power supply. So you need PITS (which does both of those) and PITS gives you RTTY.
[19:14] <daveake> So the question isn't "rtty or lora?", it's "do I want to add lora to rtty?"
[19:14] <Quantum_> right, but should i worry about adding the lora board or will ratty be fine
[19:15] <Quantum_> *rtty
[19:15] <daveake> for tracking rtty is fine
[19:15] <daveake> lora has very similar performance for tracking, but is quicker at sending down images (ssdv)
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[19:15] <Quantum_> so it would be added cost with little benefit
[19:15] <daveake> tbh as you're in the USA you should be looking at APRS
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[19:16] <daveake> well it's 4x quicker at sending images, so "little" is up to you to decide
[19:16] <Quantum_> would i still need to be licensed?
[19:17] <daveake> yes
[19:17] <Quantum_> can it be done with PITS?
[19:17] <daveake> with the aprs add-on board, yes
[19:18] <Quantum_> what is a good cost-effective aprs reciver
[19:19] <daveake> 18<SA6BSS-Mike> if u use aprs you can go with a cheap baufeng handheld radio
[19:19] <daveake> baofeng
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[19:19] <chris_99> can we use those radios in the uk (not for HAB though)?
[19:20] <Quantum_> which can still be connected to a laptop and uploaded?
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[19:20] <daveake> chris_99 Yes, with ham licence
[19:20] <daveake> Quantum_ Yes, using (e.g.) Direwolf
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[19:22] <Quantum_> is there a good resource on how to do this?
[19:23] <daveake> "this" being ?
[19:24] <chris_99> ah it looks like the baufeng should be able to transmit on some licence free freqs, but they looks of it
[19:24] <daveake> not at legal powers though
[19:24] <chris_99> oh
[19:24] <Quantum_> habhub + direwolf + baufeng (Also just made the connection as to who you are)
[19:25] <daveake> The balloon position ends up on aprs.fi
[19:25] <daveake> It is possible to relay the position on the habhub map but you'd have to ask here at the time for that to be set up
[19:29] <Quantum_> i don't see any documentation as to how the data gets to aprs.fi, but there are a multitude of stations in my area, so is it really necessary for me to set anything up?
[19:31] <daveake> If you don't have your own receiver then you're dependent on it landing within range of an existing inode or repeater
[19:32] <daveake> As it costs maybe $50 to get set up with a Baofeng and audio cable into your Mac, you'd be mad not to do it
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[19:33] <Quantum_> which baofeng would you recommend?
[19:33] <daveake> As for the upload to aprs.fi, all you need to know is that Direwolf (or any other similar s/w) does it for you; you just need internet connectivity
[19:33] <daveake> any of them
[19:34] <Quantum_> what type of cable?
[19:37] <daveake> iirc 2.5mm jack at the Baofeng end
[19:38] <daveake> Mac end will depend on if it has a mic/line in socket, or a combo in/out socket
[19:38] <daveake> either way simple to solder up
[19:38] <Quantum_> combo
[19:39] <daveake> possibly this then http://pedja.supurovic.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/audio-kenwood-baofeng-samsung-s3-trrx.png
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[19:39] <Quantum_> would dire wolf then be plug/play
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[19:40] <daveake> pretty much
[19:41] <Maxell> Yeah I would reccomend Direwolf
[19:42] <Quantum_> daveake you are creator of pits, correct?
[19:42] <daveake> the s/w not the h/w
[19:48] <Quantum_> how should i program the radio
[19:49] <daveake> Program which radio ?
[19:50] <Quantum_> baofeng uv5r
[19:50] <daveake> It isn't programmed; it's just tuned in
[19:51] <Ian_> Twiddle the knob
[19:52] <Quantum_> i see many mentions of a programming cable
[19:52] <daveake> Which you don't need because you don't need to program it
[19:53] <Quantum_> k
[19:53] <Quantum_> So:
[19:53] <Quantum_> Tracker:
[19:54] <Quantum_> RasPi A+PITS+APRS Board
[19:54] <Quantum_> Reciver: Baofeng UV5R+Macbook+Direwolf
[19:55] <Quantum_> would i need any heating inside the payload?
[19:55] <daveake> no
[19:56] <Quantum_> what about batteries?
[19:56] <Upu> Energizer Lithium Ultimates
[19:56] <daveake> yes you need those
[19:56] <Upu> onl;y
[19:57] <Quantum_> for 5V?
[19:57] <Quantum_> so ~4 batteries?
[19:57] <Upu> PITS has a buckboost on it and comes with a 4 cell holder
[19:57] <Upu> so yes four
[19:57] <Upu> but it will run down to 2.8V
[19:57] <Quantum_> define buckboost
[19:58] <Upu> its a regulator that bucks (steps the voltage down to 5V) and boosts ( steps the voltage up to 5V)
[19:58] <Upu> as 4 x AA Lithiums can start at 6.8V
[19:58] <Upu> and drop to 2.8V
[19:59] <Quantum_> so i should wire power to PITS instead of raspi
[19:59] <Upu> PITS comes with a very good power supply on it designed to run it and the pits from 4 x AA
[19:59] <Upu> use it
[20:00] <Quantum_> what about parachutes?
[20:00] <Upu> yeah you need one
[20:00] <Upu> !wiki parachute sizingf
[20:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No results for your query
[20:00] <Upu> !wiki parachute sizing
[20:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03parachute_sizing_chart - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:parachute_sizing_chart
[20:02] <Upu> all depends on how much your payload weighs
[20:03] <Upu> but that bit you can work out later
[20:03] <Upu> have you read daveake's article ?
[20:04] <Upu> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
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[20:24] <Quantum_> what should i use to connect the boating to the computer
[20:25] <Quantum_> *baofeng
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[20:27] <daveake> The cable that I linked to earlier, probably
[20:28] <Quantum_> i would prefer to just purchase a cable if such a thing exists
[20:30] <daveake> I doubt it does exist
[20:36] <Quantum_> what about external sensors? Im planning on adding a BMP180, a DS18B20, and a wide-angle raspi camera
[20:36] <Upu> all supported
[20:36] <Upu> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=adding-a-pressure-sensor
[20:36] <Upu> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=adding-an-external-temperature-sensor
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[20:55] <amell> Still sat on power line :(
[20:55] <amell> Any of the experts online? :)
[20:57] <daveake> wut?
[20:58] <amell> Daveake I have a rocket hung over a low voltage power line. Trying to find out how to get it back
[20:58] <daveake> Blimey how did you manage that?
[20:58] <amell> Surely you've had a balloon get onto power lines before ? :)
[20:59] <amell> It just parachuted onto it from 3000 ft
[20:59] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 3000 ft = 914 m
[20:59] <daveake> actually no not personally
[20:59] <amell> I spoke to Steve, he told me where to find old national grid 25kV poles :) but I don't want to do it myself...
[21:00] <daveake> call the leccy board then
[21:00] <gonzo_> how low voltage?
[21:00] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[21:00] <amell> Who is the leccy board? It's confusing
[21:01] <daveake> there's an emergency number
[21:01] <amell> Well it is three wires about 8m up - going to an isolated farm
[21:01] <daveake> not sure I want to give advice given that it could go rather wrong
[21:01] <amell> National grid appears to be HV only.
[21:02] <amell> Yes, I prefer not to touch power lines. Would like someone qualified to get it off.
[21:02] <amell> What number do I call?
[21:02] <Upu> http://www.hfgp.com/
[21:03] <amell> Do you think they will charge me?
[21:03] <Upu> oh hell yeah
[21:03] <amell> It's 150 quid of stuff hanging from the line :(
[21:03] <Upu> the hotline tools are > £300
[21:03] <Upu> probably more
[21:04] <amell> Ok. Who do I call?
[21:04] <Upu> They'll want to get it down as I suspect if its dangling its a danger
[21:04] <gonzo_> only ref I've seen was the met office being billed £500 for removing one of their sonded
[21:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Safety/Power-cut/
[21:04] <Upu> yeah start there
[21:04] <gonzo_> Not that the met office wanted it down, but they were billed for it's removal
[21:04] <amell> It's dangling low enough for a bus to hit it
[21:05] <Upu> they'll point you in the right direction
[21:05] <Upu> its a danger then
[21:05] <daveake> It's over a road ??
[21:05] <amell> Fortunately no buses go down this track
[21:05] <amell> Yes
[21:05] <amell> A farm track
[21:05] <Upu> get them rung tommorrow
[21:05] <gonzo_> 3 wires 8mtrs up, sounds 11kV-ish to me
[21:05] <Upu> its part of the risk you take when launching
[21:05] <amell> Will they hold me liable?
[21:05] <amell> If so maybe I would like to keep quiet
[21:05] <gonzo_> not what you want to play about with
[21:05] <Upu> no amell you need to get it down
[21:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Does it have any identifyong markings on it ?
[21:06] <Upu> it could cause a danger
[21:06] <amell> None
[21:06] <daveake> don't fuck around call them now
[21:06] <amell> Hang on I have a pic of it.
[21:07] <amell> http://m.imgur.com/0Fyyps0
[21:07] <Upu> you will be held liable if someone gets hurt because of it
[21:07] <amell> See pic
[21:07] <Upu> yeah call them
[21:07] <Upu> let us know
[21:07] <amell> Ok
[21:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tractor going down there with his scoop up in the rain tomorrow morning ....
[21:08] <Upu> I am interested to know if they do charge given its a danger
[21:08] <amell> Yeah.
[21:08] <amell> Happened at noon today
[21:08] <amell> Wind was stronger than we expected.
[21:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it over just one line or over two?
[21:08] <gonzo_> but you have only just found it of course
[21:09] <amell> One line, the middle one
[21:09] <amell> Should I admit to ownership?
[21:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup you need the Distribution Network Operator on that list on the link above
[21:10] <Upu> yes amell
[21:11] <Upu> if nothing else all this chat is on google
[21:13] <amell> Charming
[21:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Safety/Leisure-activities-near-overhead-power-lines/
[21:16] <chris_99> how do the electric board get stuff like that down?
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[21:16] <mattbrejza> quadcopter with a pair of sissors
[21:16] <chris_99> lol
[21:16] <mattbrejza> (if only)
[21:16] <amell> Ta Geoff-G8DHE
[21:17] <amell> It appears to be for one small farm only
[21:17] <amell> So my guess is 415v
[21:17] <amell> But three wires only so, who knows
[21:20] <russss> it's likely 11kv. voltage drop at 400v is unworkable above about 500m
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[21:22] <gonzo_> nope, that looks like 11kv
[21:22] <gonzo_> there will be a transformer at one end
[21:23] <gonzo_> probable fed underground by that cable that drops down from the first ploe in the pic
[21:24] <russss> and 3 wires == 3 phases. There's no neutral in the transmission network
[21:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://tinyurl.com/nzp6vrf
[21:25] <mattbrejza> how much do they charge if you get stuck in a 400kV one?
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> A pound a volt isn't it?
[21:25] <russss> heh
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[21:26] <daveake> oops he just used a carbon fibre pole
[21:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> As it isn't intentional or with out due care, the cost will more likely be with them in terms of line failure so not sure they would charge, otherwise people won't report!
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[21:42] <gonzo_> we put a ground spike through a gas pipe. They dug up a huge trench and put bypass T's in whilst they replaced the damaged section
[21:43] <gonzo_> a team were there all day
[21:43] <gonzo_> we got billed a grand
[21:43] <gonzo_> which was prob far less than cost
[21:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Was that work activity as opposed to a personal activity ?
[21:45] <gonzo_> but it wasn't on our services chart, or even the one that the gas board had, so they didn't even know what it served
[21:45] <gonzo_> radio clug
[21:45] <gonzo_> b
[21:46] <daveake> did you send them a bill for £1,000, for "locating gas pipe" ?
[21:46] <gonzo_> hehe, never thoiught iof that
[21:47] <gonzo_> sent the rsgb the bill, as we have club 3rd party cover
[21:47] <gonzo_> costs us the 500£ excess eventually
[21:47] <gonzo_> was still a huge hit for the funds
[21:49] <gonzo_> the next door club, model railway, had put in a new fence in that spot and they drove the posts in only inbched from out spike, they missed it by about half an inch
[21:49] <gonzo_> (blows rasperry at sibot!
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[22:05] <amell> daveake: just read back through the Zeus log. Ha ha
[22:06] <amell> I called them. They seemed pretty relaxed. Send a van out tomorrow. Just left them my name and number and they will text me when they get it out.
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[22:09] <Ian_> Do you feel lucky? Fingers crossed. hopefully they will put it down to a training exercise for some of the younger staff.
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[22:10] <GUEST666> _fortis =>?
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[22:11] <GUEST666> _fortis adamgreig Aleks Amadiro amell andyvk5_ arko berndj bertrik bfirsh blakangel bradfirj BrainDamage Bryanstein cfloare cgfbee Chetic chimpusmaximus chris_99 clopez cm13g09 comzeradd Copyright costyn_ craag Crashbone|Away cross cshields DanielRichman danielsaul
[22:11] <GUEST666> Darkside darkstar-2001 daveake Davespice day_ dbrooke Derecho devtt DL1SGP DL7AD dock9 DrLuke drsnik dustinm` Elwell EnergyCoffee englishman ER1OR eroomde fergusnoble fl_0|afk fliker09 forrestv fsphil fxmulder G8KNN GargantuaSauce GeekShadow geheimni2` Geoff-G8DHE
[22:11] <GUEST666> Geoff-G8DHE-M Geoff-G8DHE-Tab ggherdov` ghoti gonzo_ goopypanther1 Guest31 Haxxa heathkid Hes Htbrdd Ian_ J0rd4n- jarod Jartza JelmerD jevin_ jiffe Johnwulp jokke_ jonsowman Kalchar KingJ kossy KriZtoV KT5TK1 KyleYankan Laurenceb Laurenceb_ LazyLeopard
[22:11] <GUEST666> ldc lilafisch ljenkins_ Lunar_Lander luteijn LWK lz1dev M0XIN Mack mattbrejza mattltm Maxell mazzanet_ mfa298 mfa298__ Miek MissionCritical MLow ms7821 murb Muzer natrium42 nats` netsoundWW nick_ nickjohnson nigelp nigelvh NLincs_ nv1d
[22:11] <GUEST666> Oddstr13 pb0ahx pd3t PE0SAT PeteA PeteA_ Piet0r pjm plantain_ polymorf pretec priyesh prog PsionicOz qyx_ RealBorg richardeoin russss SA6BSS-Mike Scorpia SebastianFlyte seventeen Sirius-BE skagmo SkippyUK SM0ULC SpacenearUS SpeedEvil SpikeUK__ staylo
[22:11] <GUEST666> Steffanx stilldavid Strykar stryx` sumie-dh superkuh SushiKenBrown Sync theRealSIbot Tiger^ Trieste tripleclones Triskel trn tweetBot Uggy ulfr Upu UpuWork uwe_ Vaizki vk5fsck Vostok Wiktor wrea x-f_ xanadu xfce1 zeusbot Zokol
[22:11] <GUEST666> Zokol_ zsentinel zyp zzqa
[22:12] <superkuh> Highlight party.
[22:12] <amell> Wtf
[22:12] <GUEST666> ye
[22:12] <chris_99> !op
[22:12] <GUEST666> /m Hey
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[22:12] <amell> Irc scum, be gone
[22:12] <GUEST666> danielsaul Darkside darkstar-2001 daveake Davespice day_ dbrooke Derecho devtt DL1SGP DL7AD dock9 DrLuke drsnik dustinm` Elwell EnergyCoffee englishman ER1OR eroomde fergusnoble fl_0|afk fliker09 forrestv fsphil fxmulder G8KNN GargantuaSauce GeekShadow geheimni2`
[22:12] <GUEST666> Geoff-G8DHE Geoff-G8DHE-M Geoff-G8DHE-Tab ggherdov` ghoti gonzo_ goopypanther1 Guest31 Haxxa heathkid Hes Htbrdd Ian_ J0rd4n- jarod Jartza JelmerD jevin_ jiffe Johnwulp jokke_ jonsowman Kalchar KingJ kossy KriZtoV KT5TK1 KyleYankan Laurenceb Laurenceb_
[22:12] <GUEST666> LazyLeopard ldc lilafisch ljenkins_ Lunar_Lander luteijn LWK lz1dev M0XIN Mack mattbrejza mattltm Maxell mazzanet_ mfa298 mfa298__ Miek MissionCritical MLow ms7821 murb Muzer natrium42 nats` netsoundWW nick_ nickjohnson nigelp nigelvh NLincs_
[22:12] <GUEST666> nv1d Oddstr13 pb0ahx pd3t PE0SAT PeteA PeteA_ Piet0r pjm plantain_ polymorf pretec priyesh prog PsionicOz qyx_ RealBorg richardeoin russss SA6BSS-Mike Scorpia SebastianFlyte seventeen Sirius-BE skagmo SkippyUK SM0ULC SpacenearUS SpeedEvil SpikeUK__
[22:12] <GUEST666> staylo Steffanx stilldavid Strykar stryx` sumie-dh superkuh SushiKenBrown Sync theRealSIbot Tiger^ Trieste tripleclones Triskel trn tweetBot Uggy ulfr Upu UpuWork uwe_ Vaizki vk5fsck Vostok Wiktor wrea x-f_ xanadu xfce1 zeusbot
[22:12] <GUEST666> Zokol Zokol_ zsentinel zyp zzqa
[22:12] <daveake> oh do fuck off
[22:13] <amell_> who is this twat?
[22:13] <GUEST666> 10x
[22:13] <GUEST666> me internet user
[22:13] <GUEST666> ^^
[22:13] <KyleYankan> Oh jeez
[22:13] Action: M0XIN selects /ignore
[22:14] <pb0ahx> ???? wat hapend ?
[22:14] <amell_> who is the op here?
[22:14] <Vaizki> don't you have a dune to surf near Rabat, get off the Internet
[22:14] <Triskel> ?
[22:14] <M0XIN> Just slash ignore *!bangie@dynamic.rabatp1-76-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com
[22:14] <GUEST666> sorry its better here Vaizki ^^
[22:14] <amell_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwzEd-JV89U - video of one of the rocket launches yesterday
[22:16] Nick change: pb0ahx -> Herman-PB0AHX
[22:16] <M0XIN> Dramatic music is dramatic :)
[22:16] <M0XIN> Nice launch
[22:16] <Vaizki> long intro is long
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[22:17] <amell_> god yeah. i just forward the first minute of his videos
[22:18] <pd3t> /ignore Guest*
[22:20] <amell_> adamgreig: did you come to midland sky?
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[22:21] <Guest667> Herman-PB0AHX
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[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[22:27] <craag> gn!
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[22:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-12 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-12
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[22:40] <craag> that's one of bobsaget's?
[22:40] <craag> !whereis HB9FDK-12
[22:40] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: 03HB9FDK-12 was over 03Sea of Japan 10(41.45634,136.19539) at 038532 meters about 037 minutes ago
[22:40] <craag> :D
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[22:42] <amell> oh nice.. does it send backlog?
[22:42] <craag> Doesn't look like it
[22:44] <amell> it appears to be over the horizon reception.
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[22:51] <Vaizki> so the north koreans didn't shoot it down...
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[22:53] <Vaizki> i's igated through a gateway at the northern tip of Honshu
[22:54] <Vaizki> so probably someone just has a bit of elevation to catch it so far away
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[23:00] <bobsaget> yes! go HB9FDK-12!!
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[23:29] <cats123456789> Hey, I am going to be in a plane on Wednesday PST and was wondering how far can a 5watt radio reach if their was a repeater near me... or not near me. Would that 5 watt radio reach 100 miles or how far could it reach. Thanks!
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> depends on the reciever.
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> And the altitude
[23:30] <amell> depends on the structure of the plane too
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[23:30] <SpeedEvil> 10mW radios on 30km balloon will go >500km
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> but you're - probably - not going to be flyng that high.
[23:31] <amell> but hes inside a metal cylinder.
[23:31] <cats123456789> True
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> If you're on a commercial aircraft - don't.
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it may or may not be safe.
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> In practice - it can very easily be seen as unsafe and cause truly major issues for you.
[23:32] <cats123456789> This is true
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[23:33] <amell> these issues may cause death or serious insury
[23:33] <cats123456789> Not fun
[23:33] <amell> indeed, dont want to ruin your day
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[23:35] <cats123456789> Right. So if I was to make a HAB with 5 watt transmitter would this work well or should I try for a less powerful radio?
[23:35] <amell> I think you might find yourself in a penal facility for abusing radio spectrum limits
[23:36] <cats123456789> alright
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> Well, depends where you are.
[23:37] <cats123456789> California
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> 5W is legal in some places at some spectrums
[23:37] <amell> but if we had a 5W transmitter fly over the UK&
[23:37] <amell> what happens then?
[23:37] <mattbrejza> nothing
[23:37] <mattbrejza> live continues
[23:37] <mattbrejza> life*
[23:37] <amell> this is true.
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[23:38] <SpeedEvil> It is - in general - not a good idea to violate rules without a very good reason.
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> And thought of the consequences.
[23:39] <amell> just had a text from the power company guys. my rocket is down :)
[23:40] <amell> they nailed it to the pole. cool.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:40] <mattbrejza> along with a bill?
[23:40] <amell> no bill.
[23:41] <mattbrejza> lucky then
[23:41] <amell> rocket has been saved, in plastic bag nailed to pole. Kind regards - western power
[23:41] <amell> exactly what the message said. lol
[23:44] <russss> ah I know someone who works for Western Power Distribution
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RIA-20 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RIA-20
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