highaltitude.log.20150905

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[00:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK1LPD-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK1LPD-11
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[05:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MTG005 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG005
[05:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03vk3tbc-2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=vk3tbc-2_chase
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[06:13] <SM0ULC> morrn
[06:19] <eroomde> morn
[06:20] <RealBorg> moin guys
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[07:20] <ike> there was some guy here
[07:20] <ike> that wanted to studi auroras
[07:21] <ike> that wanted to study auroras
[07:22] <eroomde> ulfr:
[07:25] <ike> ulfr are you here
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[07:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PYSY after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSY
[07:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PYSYchase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSYchase
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[08:07] <SM0ULC> PYSY just running test or will fly?
[08:08] <SM0ULC> old APRS-packets keeping HB9FDK-11 alive in the page? some 44 hours old..
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[08:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OK1LPD-11 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK1LPD-11
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[08:39] <mclane_> no flight today from PYSY, just testing my LoRa receiver SW
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[08:54] <SM0ULC> mclane_: check
[08:55] <mclane_> ?
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[08:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Z95 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Z95
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[09:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zs5rpc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zs5rpc_chase
[09:35] <SM0ULC> mclane_: just wanted to verify that i saw what you wrote :)
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[10:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03valters-pucs_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=valters-pucs_chase
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[10:28] <JDat> Hello from Latvia!
[10:29] <JDat> Today we are plannnig to launch 3 or 4 baloons at the same time.
[10:30] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[10:37] <SM0ULC> JDat: when?
[10:38] <JDat> Afrer 2 -3 hours
[10:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPUTKNIC - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPUTKNIC
[10:45] <Upu> oh dear no launch site RX
[10:45] <Upu> !dial SPUTKNIC
[10:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03SPUTKNICKERS 10(d1a3): none
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[10:47] <Upu> anyone know what dial its meant to be
[10:50] <dbrooke> got it on .648 ish reversed tones
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kosmose?i 3 komanda chase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kosmose%3Fi%203%20komanda%20chase_chase
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[10:52] <dbrooke> .dial SPUTKNICKERS
[10:52] <SpacenearUS> 03dbrooke: Latest dials for 03SPUTKNICKERS 10(d1a3): none
[10:52] <dbrooke> wonder why my dial freq is not uploading
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[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> What dial do you have then ?
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[10:58] <dbrooke> 434.648 ish
[11:00] <dbrooke> suffering with noise bursts at about 3Hz which seem remarkably localised to that freq so be interesting to know if anyone else gets the same
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't see anything on the CheshireSDR where someone was getting it
[11:05] <fsphil> 1.7m/s ascent. float attempt?
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[11:10] <dbrooke> assuming I'm quoting the right person "If it comes back down and I can find it it will be not far off a miracle!"
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its climbing a bit better now at 2.4-4 ish
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> brief climb
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[11:16] <Martin_G4FUI> Floating knickers - the mind boggles!
[11:16] <Darkside> is this an el-reg launch..
[11:17] <fsphil> ah
[11:17] <Darkside> (that's just a guess)
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[11:18] <Darkside> but the name does hint at it
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nah its his first attempt from the chat last night
[11:20] <daveake> Well if he wants it back, the ascent rate is pants
[11:21] <Martin_G4FUI> I am seeing a VERY faint trace at 434.648 (USB dial) + 1500Hz - is that it?
[11:22] <dbrooke> probably, shift 320 reversed tones
[11:22] <Martin_G4FUI> ... must be an ingenuity test!
[11:23] <dbrooke> tones are a bit "wobbly" too
[11:23] <fsphil> classic ntx2?
[11:24] <eroomde> it's a bit like restoring cars in here these days
[11:24] <eroomde> 'hear that wobble? classic sign on the early ntx2 series with the fixed diff'
[11:24] <dbrooke> not so much drifty as noisy modulation
[11:25] <Martin_G4FUI> Now looking at 434.651 LSB Dial (+1500Hz) ...
[11:25] Action: dbrooke will avoid starting a dicussion on which Land Rover gearbox was best
[11:26] <dbrooke> LT95 of course
[11:26] <fsphil> the emacs/vim of the car world?
[11:26] <Martin_G4FUI> Synchromesh is for softies ...
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Stairway to heaven chase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Stairway%20to%20heaven%20chase_chase
[11:28] <dbrooke> I have a series 3 box where a lot of the synchromesh came out with an oil change, but it still works
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Stairway to heaven_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Stairway%20to%20heaven_chase
[11:28] <dbrooke> my rig just tuned up a bit so it has slowly drifted
[11:29] <daveake> .650 ... it's very likely an old NTX
[11:29] <Martin_G4FUI> Nowhere near decodable here :(
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[11:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34162336 war is hell.
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[11:29] Action: daveake reads scrollback ... sees this was mentioned earlier ... shuts up
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[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G1IVG_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G1IVG_chase
[11:34] <Martin_G4FUI> Blimey! Getting partials now ...
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just visible on SUWS, not decodable yet
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[11:45] <dbrooke> .dial SPUTKNICKERS
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03dbrooke: Latest dials for 03SPUTKNICKERS 10(d1a3): 03434.6483 MHz
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah tones reversed as well
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh and its reset ?
[11:47] <dbrooke> well just the one now!
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> carrier only
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kosmos E?I 3 komsnda1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kosmos%20E%3FI%203%20komsnda1_chase
[11:47] <fsphil> oh dear
[11:47] <gonzo_> just as it hit 10k?
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah its back
[11:48] <Upu> very weak signal
[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MakeRiga.org_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MakeRiga.org_chase
[11:49] <SM0ULC> i ssee nothing on suws?
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> its faded on there getting it direct now
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> not sure why I would have thought SUWS would be a good position for it ??
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[11:51] <gonzo_> ah, reverse shift. actually seeing things now
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> carrier again
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> and back
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[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> carrier again
[11:53] <dbrooke> I wonder if it stops if it loses GPS lock?
[11:53] <dbrooke> the sentence count increments normally
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> not sure why he has used H.dilution as afield either
[11:55] <dbrooke> it seems to be a unique tracker, given the lack of timestamp and sat count, and the inverted tones
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[11:55] <SM0ULC> very very faint on suws for me
[11:55] <garymortimer> afternoon all
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> is it going to come back this time ?
[11:56] <dbrooke> so itis 8-) that explains why I'm hungry
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MakeRiga.org_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MakeRiga.org_chase
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kosmose?i 3 komanda chase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kosmose%3Fi%203%20komanda%20chase_chase
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kosmos E?I 3 komsnda1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kosmos%20E%3FI%203%20komsnda1_chase
[11:57] <garymortimer> I've had a few adventures where that balloon is heading http://www.dundasarms.co.uk/
[11:59] Action: daveake awaits the creation of habpub.org
[12:00] <fsphil> haha
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Change the Cloud overlays to aPub overlays perhaps!
[12:00] <fsphil> pub predictor
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[12:01] <fsphil> popular callsign that
[12:01] <garymortimer> habpub what a wonderful plan, I very much enjoyed the conference from afar BTW
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah telelmetry back
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> less the lat and long fields.....
[12:05] <pb0ahx> !flights
[12:05] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Sputknickers 1 pants in space 10(d1a3)
[12:05] Nick change: pb0ahx -> Herman-PB0AHX
[12:05] <garymortimer> We should be flying down here tomorrow AM oçlock
[12:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial d1a3
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Latest dials for 03SPUTKNICKERS 10(d1a3): 03434.6488 MHz
[12:06] <garymortimer> waiting to see the payload pop up though, I don't think our man has quite finished it
[12:09] <Herman-PB0AHX> SPUTKNIC is out ????
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[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> GPS not working
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[12:15] <gonzo_> very strong sigs though
[12:18] <garymortimer> maybe it will come back after burst at lower alt
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> he may not burst .... was climbing at 1.7-1.8m/s so might float
[12:19] <garymortimer> Ah
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> and his CRC is failing as well with the missing fields it looks like
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[12:24] <dbrooke> I did just get a good CRC but it's quite weak and so they're mostly bad
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup but the logtail then complains
[12:25] <daveake> I'll check my "how to lose your payload" page ... might be some new ones here
[12:25] <garymortimer> That should be the landing page Dave
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[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> afk for lunch I think#
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[12:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Stairway to heaven_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Stairway%20to%20heaven_chase
[12:30] <G4YHE> tx freq is very stable.
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[12:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Z93 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Z93
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[12:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Z92 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Z92
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[12:38] <ZS5LT> please can someone authorise the flight for KZNHAB2 , all payload docs have been created and i am testing at this time.
[12:39] <adamgreig> what is the flight document ID?
[12:41] <Laurenceb__> adamgreig: do you know if apogee medalist rockets UK
[12:41] <Laurenceb__> *are available in
[12:42] <adamgreig> not as far as I'm aware
[12:42] <adamgreig> don't think they've been CE approved for sale?
[12:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$SPUTKNIC,785,,,99.99,,1086.8*0FBC
[12:42] <adamgreig> ZS5LT: we require the flight doc ID to approve
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> well they arent on the list of CE approved stuff IIRC
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> just Aerotech and Cesaroni
[12:43] <adamgreig> yea exactly
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> so could someone import them ?
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> I dont know how this stuff works lol
[12:43] <adamgreig> not without having them approved
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> I guess I dont understand how CE comes into it
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> if I want to import some random bit of kit it doesnt have to be CE approved
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> is it a question of having the right license for storing it?
[12:45] <Laurenceb__> and CE makes the explosives regulation aspects simpler?
[12:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$SPUTKNIC,810,,,99.99,,10786.8*74AB some green lines now sory for gps
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> As a general point, the importer has to get them CE approved before sale, I think. Or bears the consequences if a later challenge is made.
[12:46] <adamgreig> I think if you want to import a rocket motor then it must be approved
[12:46] <Laurenceb__> thats... different
[12:46] <adamgreig> hmm true, I guess it is probably just for sale
[12:46] <garymortimer> Pravin you get it approved #habub
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> (this is a general point - not from rocketry)
[12:46] <Laurenceb__> guess I need to read the regulatory stuff in detain
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> I don't know about rocketry
[12:46] <adamgreig> I thought it needed to be CE approved to be imported
[12:46] <Laurenceb__> ok
[12:47] <adamgreig> you would also require a licence to store it
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> yeah I'll read the legal stuff
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[12:47] <adamgreig> depending on size..
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> its an F motor lol
[12:47] <adamgreig> might still count
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Of course, the storage problem goes away as does the regulation if it's bipropellant or hybrid.
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> https://www.apogeerockets.com/Rocket_Motors/Apogee_Medalist/29mm_Motors/Apogee_Medalist_Motor_F10-8_1pk
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F5KAV-11 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5KAV-11
[12:47] <adamgreig> http://www.ukra.org.uk/legal
[12:48] <Laurenceb__> ah thats useful, I should stop asking silly questions and read
[12:48] <adamgreig> note you'll most likely need an RCA anyway
[12:49] <ZS5LT> hi adamgreig flight doc number 7503cab5db33a9e10a55d2f21b573e51
[12:49] <adamgreig> but probably not an explosives licence or a safe (inspected by police) store for a single F
[12:49] <Laurenceb__> I have an RCA already
[12:49] <adamgreig> ok
[12:49] <ZS5LT> i am testing telemtery now
[12:49] <adamgreig> ok great
[12:49] <Laurenceb__> I have a bunch of Cesaroni stuff up to G
[12:49] <adamgreig> shout when the telemetry is working ZS5LT
[12:50] <garymortimer> Its in teh parser now Adam
[12:50] <adamgreig> then it's wrong
[12:50] <adamgreig> no parsed telemetry from that flight doc
[12:51] <garymortimer> ah ok, I will tell him he should be here, im whatspping him
[12:52] <ZS5LT> hi the fldigi has got a green light for data
[12:52] <garymortimer> its the docs that are wrong Pravin
[12:53] <garymortimer> a grown up will explain I see $$SPUTKNIC still parsing
[12:53] <Laurenceb__> adamgreig: btw, I think I solved the spin issue http://imgur.com/IRyWYQk
[12:53] <Laurenceb__> I went full pyro
[12:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> the site of tracker.ukhas also down ?? not updated the green lines from here
[12:55] <garymortimer> $$SPUTKNIC must still be in the air somewhere! What a pity
[12:55] <adamgreig> it looks like there are two errors at the moment
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[12:56] <adamgreig> SPUTKNIC seems to have an invalid payload doc
[12:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> garymortimer, yes i heard him verry wel
[12:56] <adamgreig> or.. lost GPS?
[12:56] <adamgreig> it's lost GPS I guess
[12:56] <adamgreig> KZNHAB2 is ZS5LT?
[12:56] <garymortimer> yes correct
[12:56] <adamgreig> payload doc is bad, says sentence_id is a string
[12:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$SPUTKNIC,889,,,99.99,,10786.8*3BD4
[12:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$SPUTKNIC,890,,,99.99,,10786.8*E495
[12:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$SPUTKNIC,891,,,99.99,,10786.8*14A4
[12:56] <garymortimer> Pravin who should be here
[12:56] <adamgreig> should be int
[12:57] <adamgreig> logtail has the error
[12:57] <adamgreig> [2015-09-05 12:57:09,065] WARNING habitat.parser_daemon MainThread: Could not save doc 8fdd18b01940a745cc96621bbd4f09f1a099f378dee8380744f188445a44dcf8, unauthorized: {"error":"forbidden","reason":"Validation errors: u'190' is not of type u'number'"}
[12:57] <ZS5LT> hi adam can i change it or can you alter it please
[12:57] <adamgreig> yea I guess I can just chagne it
[12:57] <adamgreig> sec
[12:57] <garymortimer> Too kind Adam
[12:58] <ZS5LT> thanks for the help guys
[12:58] <adamgreig> ok let's see
[12:58] <adamgreig> yay
[12:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KZNHAB2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KZNHAB2
[12:58] <adamgreig> there you go
[12:58] <adamgreig> and, flight doc approved
[12:59] <garymortimer> Love your work Adam, love your work thanks very much
[12:59] <garymortimer> Its down in sunny Durban cold and wet up teh road by me
[12:59] <adamgreig> no trouble
[13:00] <adamgreig> anything for a fan ;)
[13:00] <garymortimer> It should fly tomorrow morning
[13:00] <ZS5LT> thanks again guys. gary see you in the morning. too early for a beer?
[13:01] <Upu> never too early
[13:01] <garymortimer> We might have some mission planning to do ;-)
[13:01] <garymortimer> What time will you be at the airfield Pravin?
[13:02] <garymortimer> Oh Vic is going to fly in
[13:04] <ZS5LT> probably at 6am but flight around 7 am all cool .
[13:04] <ZS5LT> is vis going to do a launch as well?
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[13:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ also not working for SPUTNICK ???
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[13:09] <ZS5LT> cheers guys finishing payload box in colours
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[13:10] <garymortimer> Don't add too much weight Pravin!!!!!!!
[13:11] <garymortimer> No Vic will fly in then fly home to track
[13:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Z90 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Z90
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Z91 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Z91
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-11
[13:16] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[13:25] <Maxell> SPUTKNIC gps failure?
[13:26] <Maxell> ah yes.
[13:26] <Maxell> meh!
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Cloudychase2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Cloudychase2_chase
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JDat_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JDat_chase
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[13:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-13
[13:34] <boutatrain> After a successful launch we're about to get in the car and chase sputknickers. Any advice? laptop, radio, antenna and CAA permission form, anything else we should be taking?
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-12
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[13:38] <boutatrain> BTW thanks to everyone who helped track it, I lost it after about 10 minutes and never got a clean enough signal :( was great to see it on the map
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Your GPS isn't in flight mode, so no position info
[13:39] <ulfr> ike: Now I am.
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cloudychase3_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cloudychase3_chase
[13:40] <garymortimer> Lets hope it bursts, but looks like its floating still parsing on the logtail
[13:40] <Herman-PB0AHX> boutatrain, i writing a lot off green lines for u i hoop u can used it gl
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cloudychase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cloudychase_chase
[13:41] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: signal getting weaker or still strong?
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TeliaN_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TeliaN_chase
[13:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> no is going a way now
[13:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> i hrd him but no writing anymore
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[13:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5LCY-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5LCY-7
[13:46] <dbrooke> GPS seems to be back but I'm only getting partials
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> likewise
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> must be decsending
[13:47] <dbrooke> 9853.8 might be altitude
[13:48] <dbrooke> previous was 10329.4
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is a Max alt as well in the string
[13:50] <dbrooke> 12048.0 has been repaeted so probable max recorded
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[13:50] <ei2kk> hi there
[13:50] <ei2kk> anybody knows SPUTNIKC frequency/mode?
[13:50] <boutatrain> Geoff, is that sputknic coming down?
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> possibly, its not very strong, no complete decoded strings
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> but GPS is back on now its under 10Km so we may get something soon
[13:52] <dbrooke> best offer is from a while ago at $$SPUTKNIC1231,5141.69497,-00142.81689,0.79,10329.4,12048.0*4FD8
[13:53] <dbrooke> signal has faded now here
[13:53] <Herman-PB0AHX> i lost the signaal mmmmmm
[13:54] <ei2kk> could someone tell SPUTNIKC freq? cant see with dl-fldigi
[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial sputknic
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03SPUTKNICKERS 10(d1a3): 03434.6488 MHz
[13:55] <ei2kk> tnx
[13:56] <dbrooke> that was valid CRC with the missing first comma inserted
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[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-12
[13:57] <dbrooke> signal coming back ...
[13:57] <boutatrain> dbrooke, the co-ord puts it over Newbury, pretty much on the predicted path, I'll fire up the car now
[13:58] <dbrooke> getting partials again
[13:58] <dbrooke> it's still at 5km altitude
[13:59] <dbrooke> and a green
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes that plotted
[14:01] <garymortimer> hooray!
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Below my horizon again now :(
[14:07] <garymortimer> not enough web for me to hear Southampton SDR
[14:07] <dbrooke> nothing salvageable from the partials after my last good upload
[14:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-12
[14:11] <gonzo_> nothig at all from here
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> its visible on the SUWS wf but not decodable at present
[14:12] <gonzo_> just got back in to find fldigi had hung though
[14:12] <gonzo_> so poss nr=ot beed decoding foir a while
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> it has only been last 15 minutes that the GPS locked on again under 10Km
[14:13] <gonzo_> at the last plot, looks like is should be almost down by now
[14:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> its faded out on SUWS as well
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[14:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5UEF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5UEF-11
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5ADC-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5ADC-7
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[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5ADC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5ADC-11
[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kosmos EZI1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kosmos%20EZI1_chase
[14:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-12
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[14:38] <garymortimer> not sure if boutatrain was driving towards plenty of high ground near Pewsey and te most excellent Barge at Honeystreet to consider the world (its one of the cropcircle gang HQs)
[14:39] <garymortimer> http://www.the-barge-inn.com/index.php
[14:39] <garymortimer> used to be my local
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup been there and stayed a few nights at the Barge myself!
[14:40] <garymortimer> If you see the image of the white horse we turned that into a Zebra once
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> I reckon it will have landed North of there, more like Mildenhall just East of Marlborugh
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> no really high ground there however
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[14:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Vadim_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Vadim_chase
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[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CloudyN_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CloudyN_chase
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[14:50] <JDat> $$Z91,91,14:41:56,56.6455,26.0434,2532,40,1*CA44
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[14:53] <garymortimer> you climb out of Swindon so if lucky...
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[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/SPUTKNIC_20150905/SPUTKNIC_201509051458_landing_zone.jpg
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[15:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABNL-4F-TUX_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABNL-4F-TUX_chase
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[15:18] <Laurenceb__> adamgreig: ok I may have worked this one out
[15:18] <Laurenceb__> you need an UN classification number on stuff thats being imported
[15:18] <Laurenceb__> that comes as part of CE, hence the confusion
[15:18] <Laurenceb__> but it may be available from other sources too
[15:19] <Laurenceb__> CE itself does only apply to reselling within EU, as you would expect
[15:19] <adamgreig> ah yea ok that makes sense
[15:20] <adamgreig> your RCA will have to cover the UN number of the part being imported too I imagine
[15:20] <Laurenceb__> yes
[15:20] <adamgreig> (though it probably already does if it gets the same one for model rocket motors that the cesseronis have?)
[15:20] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[15:20] <Laurenceb__> I'm guessing the US system should use the same proceedure
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> so maybe stuff thats sold in the US has been classified with a number
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> s/same/a UN number based procedure
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[15:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> afternoon All
[15:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> load ~/lice-5.2.6/lice.irc
[15:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> load /home/verox/lice-5.2.6/lice.irc
[15:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> sorry
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[15:54] <Laurenceb__> found it
[15:54] <Laurenceb__> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/en/uksi/2014/1638/schedule/2/made
[15:54] <Laurenceb__> part 2, clause 10
[15:55] <Laurenceb__> so aiui customs just needs to be satisfied that it meets that, for which they say they need certification from an applicable authority
[15:55] <Laurenceb__> so something like http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/RegulatoryDocuments/Canada/nrc_re-classific_12-18-06.pdf would seem appropriate
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[16:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPUTKNICKERS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPUTKNICKERS_chase
[16:50] <Lunar_Lander> evening balloon research people
[16:51] <ike> hi ulfr I don't know if you are still here
[16:51] <ike> I was sleeping
[16:51] <ike> so to study auroras you need space elevator
[16:52] <ike> you must have some weight at geo orbit
[16:52] <ike> and you drop your payload
[16:53] <ike> to 200km with carbon nanotubes as rope
[16:53] <ike> and you can stay there all day long
[16:54] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[16:55] <ike> the hard part is finding 35 586km long rope
[16:58] <eroomde> probably best to go back to sleep ike
[16:58] <ike> :) you are right
[16:59] <ike> anyway ISIS fly over aurors several times in a day
[16:59] <eroomde> no they don't
[17:03] <ike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpvtTlZMt7Y
[17:04] <eroomde> ISS != ISIS
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> lulwut
[17:10] <Laurenceb__> ike: you cant reach the poles with a space elevator
[17:15] <ike> but you can orbit there draging your payload into aurora
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[17:16] <eroomde> ike: that doesn't make sense
[17:20] <ike> imagine what will hapend if you put 200km carbon nanotube cable with payload on it
[17:20] <ike> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#Orbit
[17:22] <eroomde> i am imagining...
[17:25] <ike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmS0Q7jTPsk Carbon Nanotube are heavy like smoke
[17:26] <eroomde> great
[17:26] <eroomde> none of this helps ulfr
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[17:30] <ike> his job is not easy
[17:31] <ike> like going to the moon with 10kg sat
[17:34] <SM0ULC> ike: quite a long rope.. :)
[17:35] <Laurenceb__> does anyone here attend rocketry events at all?
[17:36] <Laurenceb__> I was wondering if theres any chance of acquiring a spent aerotech motor from someone for checking parts sizes
[17:37] <SM0ULC> ike: not possible with a fleet of sensors in LEO (200 km) ?
[17:44] <ike> IDK
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[17:58] <SpeedEvil> You don't need a weight at GEO, you can also extend the cable past GEO, asymptotically reducing in diamater
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> oh - he left
[17:59] <eroomde> this is a great channel where one can nerd out and so on
[17:59] <eroomde> but in general
[17:59] <eroomde> perhaps best not to feed the trolls with space elevator chat
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
[18:00] <eroomde> he shows a level of confuse such that a productive convo about SEs might not be possible
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> They're awesome - in principle.
[18:00] <eroomde> agreed
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> There is a fair way to go from principle to practice.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Maybe even further than airbreathing hypersonic vehicles :)
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Rotavators are rather easier.
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[18:01] <SpeedEvil> All are quite out of scope for the amateur alas.
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> Much fun stuff is in scope. Balloon mesh nets, scopes, ...
[18:02] <DutchMillbt> Can anyone give an opinion/advise on launching in strong winds?
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Don't.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, doing it is really problematic, the only actually sane methods take a lot of setup
[18:04] <DutchMillbt> Yep, 4 Bf wind
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> In general, they reduce to 'rig the balloon indoors, and then take it out through an opening which is large enough that the balloon can buffet in any direction without issue'
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> And then walk it to a point where it is far enough from obstructions that it can rise at 5m/s and be certain to clear
[18:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[18:06] <adamgreig> Laurenceb__: midland skies is on soon and maybe you're near the midlands? I can't remember
[18:06] <Laurenceb__> ok
[18:07] <DutchMillbt> Oke thankz SpeedEvil, we wait and see how the windspeed is tomorrow
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> DutchMillbt: In principle, it is possible to arrange the balloon and payload so that everything is attached, and then you inflate the balloon through a hose with a drop-cloth or something preventing any possible snags before liftoff. But that makes working out your free lift almost impossible.
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> As balloons restrained in wind have a nonzero lift.
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> Easier if you can say 'I'm going to put all this cylinder in, and it'll be about right'
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> I saw a paper about hi-wind launching recently, where the balloon is held in a bubble wrap cushion for inflation
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> A collar around the base?
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> Or just a massive roll?
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> let me check
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/500mm-x-100-m-roll-Bubble-Wrap-Small-CHEAP-QUALITY-/141765675882?hash=item2101e48b6a - hah
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> for little balloons, that'd work well
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> you hollow it out so you get a hemisphere
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> will take a moment, sorry
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> now, you fill till you get it just touching
[18:11] <DutchMillbt> Well it's a HY500 and we have a 20L (4m3) cylinder ;-)
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0426%281989%29006%3C0215%3AMHWBLA%3E2.0.CO%3B2
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> DutchMillbt: 4m^3 may be a leetle much. :)
[18:14] <DutchMillbt> Yay
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[18:16] <DutchMillbt> Thanks SpeedEvil and Lunar_Lander, we will think about it or we the launch to the next weekend
[18:16] <DutchMillbt> ..move
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Option b: Find a large field, and drive into the wind while releasing balloon out of sunroof
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.olemiss.edu/research/atmospheric_physics/attachparafix.jpg
[18:17] <DutchMillbt> dam'n no sunroof
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.olemiss.edu/research/atmospheric_physics/gonefix.jpg
[18:17] <DutchMillbt> stormhunters?
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah thunderstom research
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> the bar with the two spheres is a 3D electric field meter
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> I suppose actually that wouldn't be too hard.
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> Four or so sheets sewn together to make a cylindrical tube.
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> Inflate inside, drop cylinder over, grab ends.
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.olemiss.edu/research/atmospheric_physics/730010.jpg
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[18:23] <DutchMillbt> Oke thankz for the tips, there is always a way ;-)
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[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:24] <Maxell> RAW: i-1441471953.4978-t1 002680979 1626491237 A:OK L:no 86% 0.174 3 <001100000011000011110011> 001100
[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[18:26] <Maxell> meh, might not be launching tomorrow :(
[18:47] <gonzo_nb> what was the conclusion for sputknic today?
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[18:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
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[19:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sp9uob - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sp9uob
[19:08] <garymortimer> I see spudknickers chase looking, do they have a signal??
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[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> killall -9 tcpdump
[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> oops
[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> wrong window
[19:25] <eroomde> i agree
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[19:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kk4iaw_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kk4iaw_chase
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[20:16] <boutatrain> Hi guys, just wanted to share the news that SPUTKNIC came back to earth and we got it back. And the video worked. Thanks to everyone who tracked it!
[20:17] <Upu> did you get it using the radio ?
[20:18] <Upu> congrats btw
[20:24] <boutatrain> No, the secondary GPS, I think for SPUTKNICKERS 2 I'll tune the antenna better :)
[20:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah thats good, also need to make sure you have the GPS in Flight Mode.
[20:26] <boutatrain> lol, lesson learnt, still, hoping from the video and the asent rate to calculate how high it got
[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZR5S-14_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZR5S-14_chase
[20:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did you get a final position for the landing ?
[20:34] <boutatrain> Yes, secondary GPS gave us the lat:51.481470, long:-1.704983
[20:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah my esimate wasn't too far out then! 360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/SPUTKNIC_20150905/
[20:39] <boutatrain> I think the canopy was hindered by the burst balloon so it plumeted a bit, but at least it slowed a bit.
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[20:41] <boutatrain> Geoff, can I say thank you for your help and support, hugely appreciate it. Can't quite believe we have a successful first mission. Already planning SPUTKNICKERS 2 :)
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[20:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds good, gives us trackers something to keep us busy as well ;-)
[20:43] <boutatrain> Right, I'm getting "advised" by the wife its time we head home to Liverpool. Thanks again. Ross
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[20:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIGLET - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIGLET
[21:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-52 after 036 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-52
[21:05] <Maxell> Aw yes PS-52
[21:21] Action: Laurenceb__ is looking at job adverts
[21:21] <Laurenceb__> Superconducting Coil Winder
[21:21] <Laurenceb__> $110,000 (£71,566) per annum
[21:21] <Laurenceb__> sounds... fun
[21:22] <Laurenceb__> at least the insane pay makes up for it
[21:24] <fsphil> wonder if anyone's lasted a year
[21:24] <Laurenceb__> heh
[21:25] <gonzo_nb> depends where it is
[21:25] <Laurenceb__> NZ
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[21:27] <tweetBot> @Project_HAB: Awesome! #HAB #UKHAS https://t.co/upSXGHZAi3
[21:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[23:24] <arko> stilldavid: yo
[23:24] <arko> anything fun to do in Denver?
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[23:47] <boutatrain> Hi, is there anyway to see the average assent rate for a flight? On my flight today the GPS gave up but I can tell from the video exactly when the balloon burst so I'm hoping I can work out the max height more or less... Hopefully
[23:57] <boutatrain> guess everyone is in bed :) My guestimation from the time code on the video puts SPUTKNICKERS 1 around 24,891m based on a 2.4m/s assent rate. Seem reasonable based on the data?
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