highaltitude.log.20150904

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[01:08] <pd3t> anyone awake?
[01:09] <pd3t> can someone enlighten me how to get launches into the hab calendar?
[01:15] <adamgreig> submit a flight doc http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload
[01:15] <adamgreig> once the flight doc is approved the launch appears on the calendar
[01:17] <pd3t> flight doc is already approved and it shows in dl-fldigi
[01:18] <pd3t> no calendar event yet
[01:21] <adamgreig> ok
[01:21] <adamgreig> it will do
[01:22] <adamgreig> google cal is very heavily cached
[01:22] <pd3t> ahh
[01:23] <pd3t> hnks for now it's time to get some sleep
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[06:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03toyota_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=toyota_chase
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[07:56] <chimpusm_> Morning
[07:57] <fsphil> morn!
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[08:03] <chimpusm_> Nothing to track this weekend :-(
[08:10] <fsphil> there's a launch from the netherlands
[08:10] <fsphil> on sunday
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[08:25] <chimpusm_> True forgot that one.
[08:29] <chimpusm_> Might take a miricle for me to track mind.
[08:43] <eroomde> HB9RSU: screenshot of the business end of the cloud making machine https://www.dropbox.com/s/v4nq5iy5hpwnwvu/Screenshot%202015-09-04%2009.41.23.png?dl=0
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[08:46] <chimpusm_> nice
[08:46] <HB9RSU> very nice! How much pressure do you use in the warter line?
[08:47] <eroomde> 10 bar
[08:47] <eroomde> from a pressurised tank
[08:48] <eroomde> whose dome you can see just behind the steam plume
[08:48] <eroomde> we just tap off the air bank (which is a very large manifold of tanks at 220 bar simulate the incoming mach 5 air for air-breathing mode), with a meaty regulator
[08:48] <HB9RSU> ah... we use about the same (with a pump though) but probably less mass flow as you
[08:49] <eroomde> yeah we looked at pumps but they had to be pretty big for that mass flow at that pressure
[08:49] <HB9RSU> eager to see when you use it in hot mode ;-)
[08:49] <eroomde> that was hot mode!
[08:49] <HB9RSU> ohh
[08:50] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aiweusioqsxkuyd/20150903-GOPR0002-2-STOIC_Sound_Suppression.jpg?dl=0
[08:50] <eroomde> the plume went about 70m out into the field
[08:50] <eroomde> then rained on the distant observers
[08:50] <eroomde> it was very pleasing
[08:51] <HB9RSU> very cool! Any numbers of reduced dB?
[08:52] <eroomde> looked about 8-10dB but i think my radio was interfering with the meter on one of the runs
[08:52] <eroomde> so i don't trust the numbers and want to try again
[08:52] <gonzo_> if you've ever read the Pratchett book, Wings.... You are officially 'the maker of clouds'
[08:52] <HB9RSU> 10 dB is quite something!
[08:52] <eroomde> i noticed when i was radioing the control room for my observation spot (about 100m away ontop of a mound) that the meter kept shooting up to about 115dB when i had PTT pressed
[08:53] <eroomde> yeah- i wouldn't like to say really until we try again with better equipment
[08:53] <eroomde> but it was appreciably quieter
[08:54] <eroomde> what kind of difference did you find the shock-wedges made?
[08:54] <HB9RSU> cool. You have open possitions? ;-)
[08:54] <eroomde> that's probably the least ambitious job-change for you :p
[08:55] <HB9RSU> We don't have this mass flow ratio, so we found, that the wegdes had even more impact. But we have a different setting in a longer closed tube
[08:56] <eroomde> mmm
[08:57] <eroomde> we havn't tried it at high thrust yet
[08:58] <eroomde> that will be interesting
[08:58] <HB9RSU> Ah, I love the smell of kerosene in the morning... :-) (ok, I know, you use H2/O2)
[08:58] <eroomde> the next engine in the next-door bay which we soon start is lox/methane
[08:58] <HB9RSU> how much thrust do you have at this setting?
[08:59] <eroomde> so that should give us some nice glowing carboney plumes
[08:59] <eroomde> about 10kN
[08:59] <HB9RSU> cute ;-)
[08:59] <eroomde> it goes up to about 25
[08:59] <eroomde> probably more in the injectors weren't so craply designed :p
[09:00] <HB9RSU> for both (H2 and Methane) you probaly need coaxial injectors. We use impingment because we have two liquids
[09:01] <eroomde> yeah, these are coaxial
[09:01] <eroomde> but we think the momentum flux ratio is wrong
[09:01] <eroomde> and we're right
[09:01] <eroomde> we just have to persuade others we're right :)
[09:05] <HB9RSU> hm, in coaxial the momentum ratio isn't that important IRC. Mixing and atomisation is done via shearing the two fluids
[09:05] <eroomde> sure but the shearing is defined by the momentum ratio at that interface
[09:05] <HB9RSU> But I am not an expert in coax
[09:05] <eroomde> rather than, say, just the velocity ratio
[09:05] <HB9RSU> ok...
[09:06] <HB9RSU> so, I am off... have to work something ;-)
[09:07] <eroomde> ok, catch you later
[09:07] <eroomde> quick question actually - i'm having some problems with our go-to gems 40-20mA sensors that we use for lots of general purpose things (tank pressures and so on)
[09:08] <eroomde> they've been overshooting or being intermittent or something. they're just a bit unhappy
[09:08] <eroomde> do you have a preferred general purpose series?
[09:08] <eroomde> we also use very smart and expensive omega bridge sensors for important things, but i don't want to use them everywhere
[09:09] <eroomde> i want something more of the order of 100 euros/sensor like these gems ones
[09:13] <eroomde> actually we do have some cheapo omega ones that work well, now i think about it
[09:22] <chimpusm_> 1Hr 24 on hero 4 black 2.7k 50fps... and still going
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[09:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03vk3tbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=vk3tbc_chase
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[09:56] <arjunnaha> Is the diamond x50 still a good antenna to use at a fixed station?
[09:56] <fsphil> yes
[09:57] <fsphil> get the N version if possible
[10:03] <gonzo_> Even the ones with far more gain are good. I have one and have yet to see a problem of a hab being outside of it;'s main lobe
[10:03] <gonzo_> as they are usually bloody close to be able to do that
[10:03] <gonzo_> and the higher gain gives better rx at distance
[10:04] <fsphil> yeah I've never had a problem tracking with my x50, even when one of leo's went overhead
[10:05] <gonzo_> the overhead hull is only really an issue for chase cars. And they can always bend the antenna over of stick it (if mag mount) to a nin horisontal part of the car
[10:06] <gonzo_> the null from the hab and is not something that you can do much about
[10:06] <gonzo_> end
[10:06] <fsphil> chasing with an x50 on the roof would be hardcore
[10:07] <gonzo_> because of my poor horison (in a vally) I can sometimes get a better signal from distant flights on the long vertical ant, than I can on the yagi. s the collinear is higher up
[10:08] <arjunnaha> I prob going to use a diamond mr-77s for chase car and x50 for bse
[10:08] <arjunnaha> *base
[10:08] <arjunnaha> fsphill: This one? http://www.diamondantenna.net/x50na.html
[10:09] <gonzo_> once the yagi can see the hab, then that is the better antenna. Partly due to the gain, but also because it seems to see less noise
[10:10] <gonzo_> the theory suggests that the actual thermal noise power from both ants (in my config) should be the same, but there is certainly a lower noise on the yagi
[10:11] <gonzo_> I wonder if that is down the the preamo noise, changing due to the changi n in Z presented? Or if there is just more man made noise floor
[10:14] <fsphil> arjunnaha: yeah. though mine didn't have the "A"
[10:14] <fsphil> not sure what that is
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Probably manmade QRM rather than QRN, swinging the beam round downhere there is 10dB difference
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[10:54] <gonzo_> Geoff-G8DHE, it is supprising how much qrm there is at this freq.
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[11:14] <boutatrain> Hi, I've a launch planned for tomorrow about 11am. I've just completed the payload docs, is it posible to get them up?
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[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need to post the Payload Doc id ideally in the #habhub channel, after having made sure it appears on the map with the payload doc.
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sorry the Flight Id Doc number needs posting
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[11:26] <boutatrain> Thanks Geoff. I think I've just done that (first flight, so forgive my ignorance!)
[11:27] <LunarWork> hello
[11:27] <LunarWork> testing is good
[11:27] <LunarWork> a very cold servo doesn't move
[11:27] <LunarWork> (no surprise, but good to know it)
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> boutatrain, Yup but you haven't tested the payload its untested ....
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[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MTG005 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG005
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[12:38] <garymortimer> how do, flight down here in South Africa on Sunday morning from Howick airfield KZN there is a websdr in Joburg that might hear it
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[13:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SR0FLY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR0FLY
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[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:44] <Laurenceb> has anyone here ever got the gopro 3 to work in mass storage mode?
[16:44] <Laurenceb> I'm having no luck
[16:46] <Laurenceb> dmesg is full of usb errors
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[17:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mediamasterLV_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mediamasterLV_chase
[17:22] <Maxell> !dial HABNL-4F
[17:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03HABNL-04F 10(ec5d): none
[17:22] <Maxell> !flight HABNL-4F
[17:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[17:22] <Maxell> !flight ec5d
[17:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[17:22] <Maxell> Hmm
[17:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO6SOM-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO6SOM-8
[17:25] <lz1dev> .wiki bot
[17:25] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[17:25] <Maxell> Dank u
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[17:26] <Maxell> !id ec5d
[17:26] <SpacenearUS> Flight 03HABNL-4F 10(7ca7e5d98df75aa87e63d75e42f2ec5d, approved, 1 payload)
[17:26] <SpacenearUS> Project 03undefined by 03HABNL
[17:26] <SpacenearUS> Window: 03Tomorrow at 23:00 UTC to 03Sunday at 22:59 UTC 10(Europe/London, +1)
[17:26] <SpacenearUS> Launch: 03Sunday at 11:00 UTC from 03Netherlands Den Haag (The Hague)  10(52.03366,4.17598)
[17:26] <SpacenearUS> Raw: 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/7ca7e5d98df75aa87e63d75e42f2ec5d
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[18:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03toyota_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=toyota_chase
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[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> boutatrain, Did you sort the payload doc earlier ?
[19:55] <boutatrain> I think its now correct as of about 10 mins ago
[19:55] <boutatrain> Flight doc 01540a23ed501780f2e75591425fd397
[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right hadn't seen it progress any further so was wondering!
[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its still not parsing on the logtail however http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
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[19:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> so nothing on the map
[19:58] <boutatrain> I think I must have the wrong payload doc attached (again)... 5 mins!
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its the payload doc itself that is wrong
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> provided the payload doc is right it will appear, the Flight doc ensures that its advertised and logged for easy recall from Habitat
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[20:01] <Laurenceb__> hi, any ffmpeg users here?
[20:02] <Laurenceb__> I'm trying the current line:
[20:02] <Laurenceb__> ffmpeg -ss 00:00:04 -i GOPR0090.MP4 -vf crop=200:500:200:350,transpose=1 edit1.mp4 -ss 00:00:02
[20:02] <boutatrain> I've created a few payload docs, 1 with 5 parameters (wrong) 1 with 6 but 2 fields are ints (wrong) and 1 with 6 parameters and all numeric values as floatswhich I think (hope) is now correct.
[20:02] <Laurenceb__> but its failing
[20:02] <Laurenceb__> http://pastebin.com/5awbNcum
[20:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> The last logtail records still indicate that it can't extract the callsign
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 6 fields rather than the 5 expected
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> in fact I guess this is a general question lol
[20:03] <Laurenceb__> how 2 process video on linux?
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> wow gopro is so bad
[20:06] <Laurenceb__> I literally dont know how they managed to screw up the video format so badly
[20:07] <Laurenceb__> all the metadata is incorrect
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: 'does it upload to youtube - ship it
[20:07] <Laurenceb__> no wonder my ffmpeg is failing
[20:07] <Laurenceb__> haha
[20:08] <Laurenceb__> VIDEO: [avc1] 848x480 24bpp 0.083 fps
[20:08] <Laurenceb__> erm... sure
[20:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> boutatrain, You don't seem to have the sequence number in the payload doc Normal: $$SPUTKNIC,longitude,latitude,horizontal_dilution,altitude,max_altitude*FFFF (1 filter) (UKHAS)
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> Are you sure it's not due to something like avc1 not really supporting 250fps, so it puts in a placeholder value?
[20:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hey your there
[20:11] <Laurenceb__> maybe :-/
[20:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> its parsing but can't save it I guess till the document is saved
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[20:16] <Laurenceb__> even for a trivial example I'm getting errors (Unsupported codec for output stream #0.1
[20:16] <Laurenceb__> )
[20:16] <boutatrain> Geoff-G8DHE, looking at the tail it seems to be complaining that my longitude and latitude are too large... Think there might be a basic error in the etraction of data from my GPS???
[20:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Depends how you have defined them it looks like NMEA data which is ddmm.mmm
[20:19] <boutatrain> yes it is, what is expected?
[20:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> whatever you defined it as !
[20:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> in the payload doc
[20:20] <boutatrain> Ah, back to the payload docs then! I'll get there eventually!!!
[20:25] <boutatrain> In the tail it now says "successful"... is doc 01540a23ed501780f2e755914274dd8f now ok???
[20:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like it might be has it appeared on the map
[20:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> can't see it there at present it should appear immiediately
[20:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Check with Upu maybe in #habhub
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[20:28] <boutatrain> #habhub
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> you neeed /j #habhub
[20:28] <boutatrain> :) Can you tell I'm new to this???
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> the order of fields looks weird
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
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[20:46] <boutatrain> Latitude and long were the wrong way around, and now if I'm west the vaule is prefixed with a minus. I'm guessing htats now correct, but still nothing on the tracker.
[20:46] <boutatrain> any ideas?
[20:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Upu any thoughts on the logtail, the order of fields looks weird to me ???
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I can't see what's wrong myself but the order of fields as presented in the logtail seems peculiar, anyone else able to take a look ?
[20:50] <Upu> sup ?
[20:50] <Upu> not appearing on map ?
[20:50] <Upu> "_fix_invalid": true,
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah yes
[20:51] <boutatrain> What does that mean? Sorry if thats a stupid question!
[20:51] <Upu> new doc id 01540a23ed501780f2e75591429250e2
[20:51] <Upu> transmit something
[20:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPUTKNIC - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPUTKNIC
[20:51] <Upu> ta da
[20:52] <Upu> and put a count on there pls
[20:52] <Upu> sequence number etc
[20:52] <Upu> there was a filter on the document
[20:52] <Upu> which made it always an invalid lock
[20:52] <Upu> I've seen this before
[20:52] <Upu> not sure where its coming from
[20:53] <Upu> just removed the filter and saved new doc
[20:53] <Upu> give away is fix_invalid true
[20:55] <boutatrain> Thanks guys!
[20:55] <boutatrain> The count is the first parameter, I could find an automatic field when building the doc and its still set to sentence_id, what should it be?
[20:56] <boutatrain> could should read couldn't (tired now!) :)
[20:57] <Upu> sentence ID is fine
[20:57] <Upu> just increment a number
[20:57] <Upu> each string
[20:57] <Upu> but take a break, you're on the map result
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[20:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are you launchingtomorrow ?
[20:58] <Upu> oh
[20:58] <Upu> if you are don't change anything
[21:00] <boutatrain> Geoff, yes Dave at the CAA came through at 4:30 today with my permission so I think (hope) that were good for our first launch...
[21:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right so just the Flight Doc to get it logged into the system then
[21:02] <boutatrain> Yes I think so.
[21:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dogma_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=dogma_chase
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[21:07] <boutatrain> Geoff, I think doc 01540a23ed501780f2e75591429dd1a3 is now correct and ready, how do I get it submitted?
[21:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> If Upu doesn't do it here then post it requesting approval in #habhub
[21:08] <Upu> [22:08] <SpacenearUS> Upu: Flight Sputknickers 1 pants in space (01540a23ed501780f2e75591429dd1a3) has been approved! Good luck
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[21:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> #habhub is a low volume channel for the Sys Admin's to handle requests about habitat etc.
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[21:10] <boutatrain> Thank you guys. Hugely appreciate all your help. Fingers crossed it at least goes up. If it comes back down and I can find it it will be not far off a miracle!
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[22:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Car_chase
[22:07] <Oddstr13> where can I find specifications on rtty?
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[22:44] <fsphil> not sure you'll findaa formal spec. it's pretty simple
[22:44] <fsphil> anything in particular you're after?
[22:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-52 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-52
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[23:43] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvJcPToXb0
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