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[07:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03vk3tbc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=vk3tbc_chase
[07:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MTG005 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG005
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[09:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-11 after 0319 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-11
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[10:06] <tweetBot> @stratodean: At the #MUOS launch at Port Canaveral, FL. Not long now! #fb #ukhas @m4rkireland @cvp1512 http://t.co/8rqV6Lvqk9
[10:10] <fsphil> jealous
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[10:28] <tweetBot> @m4rkireland: Wow #MUOS #fb #ukhas http://t.co/jYvosZg9qY
[10:34] <fsphil> that'd be worth getting up early for
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[11:55] <M0XIN> The joyous season has begun. Rejoice!
[11:55] <M0XIN> Starbucks are selling Pumpkin Spice Lattes again
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[11:55] <fsphil> too soon
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[11:56] <daveake> Pumpkin Spice really let herself go after the band split up
[11:56] <M0XIN> I think she's still tasty
[11:56] <M0XIN> Terrible voice though
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[12:01] <fsphil> the spice girls split up? sounds painful
[12:03] <M0XIN> Does anyone here have experience of building their own reflow oven? I know Upu opted for one of those T-962 eBay-special ovens
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[12:03] <M0XIN> From what I've read, the main issue with both is uneven temperature distribution
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[12:07] <M0XIN> Upu: How have you got on with your T-962 reflow oven? Still doing the job? Did you mod it at all?
[12:07] <UpuWork> yo
[12:07] <UpuWork> only mod was to get rid of the smell
[12:07] <M0XIN> Masking tape for kapton tape
[12:08] <UpuWork> no tried to pull it apart but it was all stuck down
[12:08] <UpuWork> so basically hid it in a cupboard
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[12:08] <UpuWork> with a shower extractor
[12:08] <UpuWork> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqavs5nlqk1gd3w/2015-09-02%2013.07.56.jpg?dl=0
[12:08] <M0XIN> Hahah
[12:09] <M0XIN> Still going strong?
[12:10] <UpuWork> yep
[12:10] <UpuWork> timing is out but its not set fire to anything lately
[12:10] <UpuWork> if you're only doing leaded
[12:10] <UpuWork> its fine
[12:10] <UpuWork> wouldn't use it for unleaded
[12:11] <M0XIN> Hmmm... how far out is the timing?
[12:11] <UpuWork> never timed it accurately tbh but it feels like its drifted out
[12:12] <UpuWork> I don't use it for much these days my manufacturing is contracted out
[12:13] <M0XIN> Gotcha
[12:13] <M0XIN> I came across this in my google travels: https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements
[12:13] <M0XIN> No mention of any improvement to timings though
[12:14] <UpuWork> "polishing a turd"
[12:15] <UpuWork> it does ok for the money
[12:15] <UpuWork> there is nothing in the sub £1000 that comes near it
[12:15] <UpuWork> I never got on with the toaster + beta reflow controller
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[12:31] <M0XIN> Indeed - although the idea of the toaster + own controller appeals from a tinkering point of view, I don't want to spend ages trying to get it to work
[12:39] <fsphil> the little thermocouple it comes with is a little fragile
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[12:45] <eroomde> not reading all of scrollback as life too short
[12:45] <eroomde> i have a beta layout reflow controller
[12:45] <eroomde> works fine
[12:45] <eroomde> produced thousands of pcbs for me sans foibles
[12:46] <M0XIN> eroomde: What bits did you use for it?
[12:46] <eroomde> my debit card
[12:46] <M0XIN> That's important
[12:46] <eroomde> argos toast oven
[12:46] Action: M0XIN scribbles notes: "1. Use eroomde's debit card"
[12:47] <eroomde> https://www.beta-estore.com/rkuk/order_product_details.html?p=242
[12:47] <eroomde> that
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[12:47] <eroomde> i affixed the end of the thermocouple to an old bit of pcb (thermally represewntative) and wired that to the rear corner of the shelf
[12:48] <UpuWork> I should have throught of that
[12:48] <eroomde> see, i'm a rocket scientist
[12:48] <UpuWork> indeed
[12:48] <eroomde> that means i know where to insert a thermocouple like the best of them
[12:48] <UpuWork> lol
[12:49] <M0XIN> I knew I should have brained harder at school
[12:52] <fsphil> I think it was when I was fixing the thermocouple to the scrap pcb that I broke it
[12:53] <fsphil> of course it didn't look broke, and worked 70% of the time
[12:53] <fsphil> just to make it annoying to track down
[12:58] <M0XIN> eroomde: How did you support the PCBs in the oven? The supplied wire grille looks like it would leech heat out of the PCB on one side
[12:59] <eroomde> it doesnt
[12:59] <eroomde> on mine
[12:59] <M0XIN> I suppose you could use a set of helping hands, especially if you wanted to do double-sided
[12:59] <eroomde> i'm 15 mins from putting a board into the oven
[12:59] <eroomde> will take a photo when i do
[12:59] <M0XIN> Exciting!
[13:02] <eroomde> r21
[13:03] <adamgreig> i use the same toaster oven and reflow controller with the thermocouple likewise attached to a now very sad looking PCB
[13:03] <adamgreig> works a treat
[13:04] <adamgreig> fewer boards than eroomde
[13:04] <adamgreig> all lead-free though
[13:04] <adamgreig> took one evening to dial in good times and temperatures
[13:04] <adamgreig> now everything is done as the thing beeps off every time
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[13:09] <eroomde> campaign idea - make SMD LEDs have an obvious polarity from looking at the package
[13:09] <adamgreig> mine all have nice arrows on the underside
[13:09] <adamgreig> in the usual diode direction
[13:09] <Darkside> same
[13:09] <adamgreig> I remember maybe five years ago that was rarely the case and they often just had a stupid dot on one electrode
[13:10] <eroomde> mine don't
[13:10] <adamgreig> but of late they all seem to have the underside arrows
[13:10] <adamgreig> maybe pick better SMD LEDs
[13:10] <eroomde> no mine are the best srs
[13:10] <Darkside> you can sometimes figure it out from looking inside the package (if its clear)
[13:10] <Darkside> look for the thin wire
[13:10] <Darkside> but yeah, the arrow is a better option
[13:13] <Laurenceb> <eroomde> I have some LEDs with polarity printed on them
[13:13] <Laurenceb> problem is its printed incorrectly
[13:23] <eroomde> M0XIN: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgc4t46otsthhqi/2015-09-02%2014.21.39.jpg?dl=0
[13:25] <adamgreig> do you design your boards to just fit inside the oven or is that a happy coincidence :P
[13:26] <eroomde> blind luck
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7IGH-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7IGH-13
[13:27] <eroomde> they actually sit behind the front panels on the logger boxes - in this case that's a valve controller https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vulqjqdvwou1y9/2015-01-23%2011.08.52.jpg?dl=0
[13:27] <eroomde> middle left is an instance of that
[13:28] <M0XIN> eroomde: Awesome
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[13:29] <M0XIN> Okay, I'm sold. Controller ordered.
[13:31] <eroomde> it just makes good repeatable results. money well spent
[13:31] <M0XIN> That's all I'm interested in
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[13:31] <M0XIN> But I just screwed up. I used my own debit card instead of yours.
[13:31] <M0XIN> Doh!
[13:32] <eroomde> i prefer it that way
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[13:32] <eroomde> stuff is cooling in the oven
[13:32] <eroomde> will show you a pick when i take them out
[13:33] <eroomde> here are some other ones https://www.dropbox.com/s/yhsaxx5j7x6tw0u/2015-01-17%2014.58.29.jpg?dl=0
[13:33] <eroomde> pressure data loggers for the nozzle https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4nf8co4pl7vitr/2015-01-12%2017.35.13.jpg?dl=0
[13:34] <eroomde> more front panels https://www.dropbox.com/s/1oppgudkcyo6oa3/2015-01-08%2017.23.18.jpg?dl=0
[13:34] <eroomde> most borign 4 days of my life picking and placing https://www.dropbox.com/s/4keldl0vq2exwo6/2014-12-17%2018.18.56.jpg?dl=0
[13:35] <eroomde> it goes on and on https://www.dropbox.com/s/eld1laqelnpq17i/2014-12-15%2010.27.40.jpg?dl=0
[13:35] <eroomde> bugger me i'm so contracting this out from now on
[13:35] <jonsowman> no you won't :P
[13:35] <eroomde> b4 https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0wf3kd78yj3rkt/2014-12-09%2013.20.25.jpg?dl=0
[13:35] <M0XIN> Isn't that what the government apprenticeship scheme is for?
[13:36] <eroomde> i don't know
[13:36] <eroomde> don't like the sound of that
[13:36] <eroomde> sounds like it involved local council people coming round to do safety inspections of your site
[13:37] <M0XIN> You get a teenager to do all your PnP for you, and bring you coffee. In return you fill their brain with science and pay them a small amount of money.
[13:38] <eroomde> maybe
[13:41] <M0XIN> eroomde: Recommendations on a good source of Pb free paste?
[13:46] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vag48xzt7yzaky/2015-09-02%2014.44.07.jpg?dl=0
[13:46] <eroomde> M0XIN: no
[13:47] <eroomde> never
[13:47] <eroomde> i don;t use lead-free
[13:47] <eroomde> i know nothing about it
[13:50] <eroomde> ... use leaded
[13:52] <M0XIN> Fine, I will kill all the polar bears
[13:52] <M0XIN> Or something
[13:52] <adamgreig> alternatively https://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/solder-paste-50g-lead-free-1517.html is fine
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[14:12] <M0XIN> adamgreig: Thanks!
[14:17] <M0XIN> adamgreig: Any tips on calibrating the reflow profile (after going through Learn Mode for the oven) for that solder?
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[15:08] <adamgreig> M0XIN: start with the temperature/time profile from the solder paste datasheet
[15:08] <adamgreig> then try it out and adjust timings as necessary to compensate for slow oven and so forth
[15:08] <M0XIN> Gotcha, thanks
[15:09] <eroomde> the 'learn' feature on the box worked ok for me
[15:10] <eroomde> didn't have to manually play with oven response
[15:11] <adamgreig> learn was basically good but was a bit off the paste profile iirc
[15:11] <adamgreig> ended up finding things needed a bit longer in soak and dwell perhaps
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[15:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OWLS6_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OWLS6_chase
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[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> live video from the launch at 1830cet will be shown on danish channel 3, but i dont know if the stream works outside denmark though
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> https://www.dr.dk/tv/live/dr3#!/,autoplay=true
[16:10] <eroomde> the danes hate to see it leave
[16:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> release shound be ~18:40cet
[16:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> eroomde what do you mean? :-)
[16:16] <eroomde> OZ1SKY_Brian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aqa5AnvSZk
[16:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol havent seen it before, dont think its on the telly here
[16:19] <DL1SGP> hi OZ1SKY_Brian :P
[16:20] <eroomde> yes i imagine carlsberg is not as valued by the danes as Carsberg UK would like us to believe
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Tuborg and Ceers is abit more here
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[16:36] <DL1SGP> hehe the predictor was seen on a tablet in the danish stream if I saw it correctly :)
[16:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> correct :-)
[16:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> released
[16:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> APRS 144800 and Beacon 144.725
[16:42] <DL1SGP> they got a mouse pointer on the image
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[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:43] <DL1SGP> hoi kevin
[16:44] <DL1SGP> that balloon is taking selfies :D
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> nice :D
[16:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OZ2CLJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OZ2CLJ-11
[16:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABNL-4F_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABNL-4F_chase
[16:49] <DL1SGP> haha 3d gear for watching the feed, let's see if he pukes
[16:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes its two 180deg video feeds from the payload, and then combined to a 360deg VR
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[17:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> video of the ballon from the ground at 21km alt, cool
[17:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> pretty good zoom on that cam
[17:29] <Laurenceb> where?
[17:29] <Laurenceb> where is the video?
[17:31] <HB9RSU> is that live?
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[17:32] <HB9RSU> Goodto have a VPN to Dankmark ;-)
[17:33] <DL1SGP> heh yes
[17:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> HB9RSU yes live
[17:35] <HB9RSU> You need more Mountains :-)
[17:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> at 25km alt? no thanks :-)
[17:36] <HB9RSU> just for the footage on the ground
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello HB9RSU
[17:36] <HB9RSU> Hi Lunar
[17:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> HB9RSU 178m is the top of 'Denmark :-)
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[17:41] <HB9RSU> 4600 m here .-)
[17:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> burst
[17:42] <HB9RSU> *buff*
[17:42] <DL1SGP> lovely burst
[17:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, getting the packets on aprs, its strong :)
[17:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wow they got the burst from the gound video as well
[17:44] <DL1SGP> 144.725 for CW SA6BSS-Mike
[17:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[17:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> cant hear anything there
[17:46] <HB9RSU> not related to kopenhagensuborbitals ... right
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:52] <DL1SGP> rusty chase car :) Mint Condition I would say :)
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[17:53] <DL1SGP> goeden avond bertrik
[17:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> OZ1SKY_Brian: preparing possible launch tomorrow afternoon, keep an eye on the tracker
[17:54] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[17:57] <bertrik> hi DL1SGP
[17:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS-Mike Tjena Mike. Hinsidan?
[18:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> OZ1SKY_Brian: http://tracker.habhub.org/
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[18:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cool will be ready for it Mike
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> still all going well?
[18:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes video from both cams, APRS and beacon tx working
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[18:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wait
[18:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> beacon seems to be off
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[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> ohjhh
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[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PYSY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSY
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[18:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABNL-4F - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABNL-4F
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[19:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> found
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[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, yay!
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[20:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS-Mike Do you have a predicted path for your launch?
[20:18] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: SXHAM1 balloon launch by Chris @M6EDF features in new TX Factor Show #hamradio #hamr #ukhas @theRSGByouth @theRSGB https://t.co/p3Moa73TUv
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[20:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-11 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-11
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[21:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> OZ1SKY_Brian: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=d406fda22d94a59b0fea0853475d9da62ee9399f
[21:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> noaa http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/196032_trj001.gif
[21:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> but wether forecast now says rain in the afternoon, so depending on the weather then...
[21:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OK i see, shame. If you launch pse alert me, we might need OZ5AGJ in north west Denmark, for that path.
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[21:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, will do, I think LA3EQ is in a god possition to.
[21:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes good idea
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[23:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_PLUS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
[23:39] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
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