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[00:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c9_1439603746 - drone footage of that chinese explosion aftermath
[00:20] <lz1dev> rip all those cars
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[06:21] <SA6BSS> VE3KCL is tx:in, its on the border of France / Spain
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[07:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F5KAV-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5KAV-11
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[07:33] <SA6BSS> trajectory for VE3KCL http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/143280_trj001.gif
[07:35] <fsphil> neatly avoiding me
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[07:37] <SA6BSS> coming my way tho
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[07:58] <infaddict> wind looking much better at Elsworth on Tuesday daveake
[07:59] <infaddict> although as the day progresses, predictions hit the North sea
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[08:01] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[08:04] <craag> SP3OSJ doing aprs past scotland
[08:04] <craag> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FSP3OSJ-12&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[08:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP3OSJ-12 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3OSJ-12
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[08:40] <LunarWork> hello!
[08:41] <chmaj256> hi
[08:41] <chmaj256> awake at this hour, lunarwork?
[08:41] <LunarWork> yeah
[08:41] <LunarWork> quarter to 11 here in central europe
[08:41] <chmaj256> hmm
[08:42] <chmaj256> it's 1:40 AM in california
[08:42] <LunarWork> ah
[08:42] <chmaj256> what are european astronaughts called?
[08:42] <chmaj256> euronaughts?
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[08:47] <LunarWork> good question
[08:47] <LunarWork> just astronauts as far as I know
[08:48] <fsphil> suppose it depends on the language of the nation launching?
[08:48] <fsphil> is there a german or french word for it?
[08:48] <Chetic> esa official language is (obviously) english
[08:48] <fsphil> not launching, the nation the astronaught comes from*
[08:48] <fsphil> I can't even spell it
[08:49] <LunarWork> german is Astronauten
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[08:49] <LunarWork> french seems to be spationaute
[08:50] <fsphil> that or astronaute
[08:50] <LunarWork> yea
[08:51] <fsphil> Astronauta for italy
[08:51] <fsphil> so pretty much astronauts in europe
[08:51] <Chetic> astronaut for sweden :]
[08:52] <Chetic> (we had 1)
[08:56] <chmaj256> =)
[08:56] <chmaj256> good night all
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[09:02] <infaddict> i've heard there's a "designated launch" spot in the New forest, or a least a regular launch spot that might fast track CAA approval. Anybody used it or know location, perhaps craag?
[09:03] <eroomde> this just landed in the field at work http://www.popularmechanics.co.za/wp-content/uploads/resized/0000104276_resized_flyingmachine.jpg
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[09:04] <eroomde> it's gone a bit instrument-conditions but they're only rated for visual so they did a precautionary landing
[09:04] <eroomde> next to a building full of aero nerds with coffee and biscuits
[09:04] <infaddict> wow
[09:04] <eroomde> on a secure site
[09:04] <eroomde> so i think they feel they've lucked out a bit
[09:04] <eroomde> they're going to take us up in it next week as a thanks
[09:04] <eroomde> once the weather is better
[09:04] <infaddict> where were they heading?
[09:05] <eroomde> elstree
[09:05] <eroomde> from shropshire
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[09:09] <Vaizki> is that an autogyro?
[09:09] <Vaizki> or something new & spiffy?
[09:10] <eroomde> yes an autogyro
[09:12] <Vaizki> don't remember seeing one with 2 seats side by side
[09:12] <ibanezmatt13> looks quite cool
[09:12] <russss> "it's gone a bit instrument-conditions" is the best summary of the weather today
[09:12] <fsphil> lol
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[09:14] <fsphil> strange reversal of weather. sunshine here
[09:14] <eroomde> this week looks bad generally
[09:14] <infaddict> yer same here fsphil - total opposite of weekend. good job we are following the good weather haha
[09:14] <eroomde> bad for the whole week
[09:14] <eroomde> nvm, easier to code indoors
[09:15] <infaddict> i have a new bike and naturally want to spend every waking hour on it ;-)
[09:15] <LunarWork> damn my sample is too alkaline
[09:15] <eroomde> motor or pedal?
[09:15] <eroomde> LunarWork: drink some milk
[09:15] <DL1SGP> morning LunarWork
[09:15] <LunarWork> :D
[09:16] <LunarWork> hi eroomde and DL1SGP
[09:16] <infaddict> pedal eroomde. moved across from MTB to road and joined a local velo club.
[09:16] <eroomde> oh nice
[09:16] <eroomde> i had a period of cycling to work
[09:16] <eroomde> but i'm a bit too fair-weather for it to hold
[09:17] <eroomde> it's 25 miles each way. fun in the morning but a bit of a stress after a long day in rainy february
[09:17] <infaddict> yer its tough in the winter. i used to do 26 mile round trip to my job and managed 4-5 days a week in summer. in winter i dropped to 2-3 or sometimes less.
[09:17] <eroomde> so i sort of gave up
[09:18] <infaddict> its great in nice weather and even after a long day it was something to look forward to (if you enjoy it). but at 6am below freezing with drivers who are half asleep, different story.
[09:18] <eroomde> yep
[09:18] <eroomde> so when are you down south?
[09:19] <infaddict> accepted offer on our house (cash buyer, no chain) so now need to find a place in dorset/hampshire. went househunting last weekend, no success. back down weekend after next.
[09:19] <infaddict> so as soon as we find somewhere really
[09:19] <fsphil> don't envy you. moving sucks
[09:19] <eroomde> though dorset/hampshire are nice bits of the world
[09:19] <infaddict> yer its a pain but we are treating it like a bit of an adventure at the moment. plan is to always relocate back up North at some point.
[09:20] <infaddict> at least my company pick up the costs
[09:20] <infaddict> also much better for HAB'ing down that end
[09:20] <mattbrejza> infaddict: http://ml.philcrump.co.uk/1l new forest site
[09:20] <eroomde> i have some customers in Fordingbridge which i think is right on that border
[09:21] <Vaizki> if your company picks up the tab, why not move into a 3 month furnished rental and search from there?
[09:21] <eroomde> and i imagine the new forst is some pretty stunning road biking
[09:21] <infaddict> yep eroomde already found some new forest sportive rides that look awesome ;-)
[09:22] <infaddict> Vaizki: we are looking at rental as an option. but i have an AMAZING mortgage deal at the moment (1%) and would lose it if i rent. its portable just for a move tho.
[09:22] <Vaizki> ah
[09:22] <infaddict> i am investigating with them if i could take a mortgage holiday and still keep the deal
[09:23] <infaddict> thx mattbrejza - so North part of New Forest. I'll chat with craag about any restrictions (guessing there might be directional due to SOU airport)
[09:23] <infaddict> Still a nice site for me in the future
[09:24] <mattbrejza> infaddict: cant fly if predicted to go east or south
[09:24] <infaddict> aha ok thx
[09:24] <mattbrejza> although once its way clear of airspace thats not a restriction
[09:24] <mattbrejza> although make sure you put enough gas into it since theres a 400kV pylon along the road a bit
[09:25] <infaddict> eek
[09:25] <infaddict> I'll check it out next weekend whilst down there
[09:25] <DL1SGP> yikes
[09:25] <fsphil> no floaters from the new forest then
[09:25] <DL1SGP> yeah I remember seeing these pylons
[09:25] <infaddict> My wife doesnt know i am secretly discounting properties based on elevation and likely radio receiption haha
[09:25] <adamgreig> haha
[09:25] <chimpusmaximus> lol
[09:25] <mattbrejza> there is another side called stoney cross which we've got permission for (Same restrictions)
[09:26] <fsphil> excellent
[09:26] <mattbrejza> but stoney cross is right on the edge of the CTA
[09:26] <DL1SGP> haha infaddict she does not have to know the full scale of factors playing into your decision matrix :D
[09:26] <mattbrejza> so at the pylon site there is a little bit of space for it to go east slightly
[09:27] <mattbrejza> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/susf/
[09:28] <infaddict> thx mattbrejza
[09:28] <mattbrejza> np :)
[09:29] <infaddict> wonder if travelling further west would remove the restrictions. out of new forest, but away from most major airports.
[09:30] <mattbrejza> well if you go north you hit the sailsbury airspace
[09:30] <infaddict> mmm
[09:31] <eroomde> we can get notams from our work - just a trip up the a34 for you
[09:31] <mattbrejza> http://imgur.com/gOr17IA
[09:32] <mattbrejza> that white line is how far you have to go north to have no restrictions going south
[09:32] <mattbrejza> but then youre too close to the other one
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[09:35] <infaddict> that is true eroomde, thx. good info mattbrejza.
[09:36] <Vaizki> infaddict, you should move into one of those old lighthouses on the coast
[09:36] <eroomde> good reception for tracking
[09:36] <infaddict> not far from Portland Bill ;-)
[09:36] <Vaizki> http://lighthousesforsale.co.uk/
[09:36] <fsphil> hah
[09:36] <infaddict> could just launch out the window
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[10:35] <esculca> Hi guys, good morning
[10:35] <esculca> I have a doubt
[10:35] <esculca> has any of you used WSPR?
[10:36] <fsphil> I have but not from a balloon
[10:36] <esculca> as an alternative to RTTY, LORA or APRS?
[10:36] <eroomde> some have, though i don't think it's been used to track balloons
[10:36] <eroomde> no, not as an alternative to balloons
[10:36] <esculca> for floatrs I think it could be a an alternative...
[10:36] <eroomde> let's stop having this conversation on irc now, and instead direct you to the talk at the conference on saturday
[10:36] <esculca> floaters...
[10:36] <eroomde> which directly addressed this
[10:37] <esculca> I watched that topic
[10:37] <esculca> online
[10:37] <esculca> at the conference broadcast
[10:37] <eroomde> oh right
[10:37] <fsphil> what is your doubt?
[10:37] <esculca> do u know it it is required to have a radioamateur license to use it?
[10:37] <fsphil> on amateur radio bands, definitly
[10:38] <fsphil> and only over countries that allow amateur radio in the air
[10:38] <esculca> makes sense...
[10:38] <eroomde> having listened to why he doesn't use wspr, why do you think it can be used anyway? what do you disagree with him about?
[10:39] <esculca> I just want to try it
[10:39] <esculca> but the thing is that I don't have a license
[10:40] <esculca> an amateur license
[10:40] <mattbrejza> you could try it on a ISM band for starters
[10:40] <mattbrejza> (licence free band)
[10:40] <LazyLeopard> So step zero would be to go about getting a licence, perhaps.
[10:41] <infaddict> and check your country laws. where are you?
[10:41] <esculca> I need to take care of that, really
[10:41] <esculca> I am in Portugal
[10:41] <esculca> Have you tried using WSPR over the ISM bands?
[10:42] <eroomde> which ones?
[10:42] <eroomde> like the talk said, it's good at HF and makes little sense at >=VHF
[10:43] <esculca> that's right
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[10:45] <esculca> but there are ISM bands available at lower frequencies right?
[10:45] <esculca> around 13MHz?
[10:45] <mattbrejza> i think there is one at 13MHz
[10:46] <esculca> 13.553 MHz to 13.567 MHz
[10:46] <mattbrejza> or 14MHz i cant remember exactly
[10:46] <esculca> according to Wikipedia
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[10:46] <esculca> can't that be used?
[10:46] <eroomde> check the laws of where you're flying.
[10:46] <eroomde> it probably can
[10:46] <SA6BSS> 13.553 MHz 13.567 MHz 14 kHz 13.560 MHz Worldwide Fixed & Mobile services
[10:46] <mattbrejza> youll ahve to check whether it can be used airborne (it can here)
[10:46] <esculca> u mean in the UK?
[10:46] <mattbrejza> yea
[10:47] <esculca> yes, I Will confirm that
[10:47] <esculca> what about the 27MHz band, citizen's band
[10:47] <esculca> can't we use it?
[10:47] <mattbrejza> there is a ism band that overlaps with it i tihnk?
[10:47] <esculca> not sure...
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[10:48] <eroomde> we have this document for the UK: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/research-guidelines-tech-info/interface-requirements/IR_2030.pdf
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[10:48] <eroomde> it specifies everything license free, and says whether or not it can be used airborne, and what power restrictions and so on
[10:48] <esculca> so, probably using WSPR over those frequencies is a viable alterntive
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[10:49] <eroomde> you should find the equivlant thing for portugal and where you want to fly
[10:49] <esculca> just have to confirm if the local law allows it
[10:49] <eroomde> exactly so
[10:49] <esculca> well, I intendo to send another floater
[10:49] <eroomde> and then further, pay attention to the saturday talk's conclusions about which bands propagate well
[10:49] <esculca> hopefully to fly over to other countries
[10:49] <gonzo__> you also need to chose a frequency that will give you the proegation that you need
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[10:50] <mattbrejza> well if you test on ism first, if you get it working you can move to ham bands which allow a bit more power
[10:50] <esculca> I think I should watch that talk again
[10:50] <mattbrejza> and also then youll have more recievers
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[10:50] <esculca> :)
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[10:51] <esculca> I have been trying to find a good date to send the floater from here so that it ends up in the UK
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[10:51] <eroomde> if you're flying to the east over europe, consider UHF
[10:51] <esculca> not many listners around here
[10:51] <eroomde> there's a lot more coverage in the northern hemisphere than the southern
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[10:53] <esculca> most of my flights go east, towards Spain
[10:53] <eroomde> yes they will do
[10:53] <eroomde> the prevailing winds will take your floaters east
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[10:54] <esculca> funny, coz here the winds, at least by the sea, are alwasy coming from the Northwest
[10:54] <eroomde> yes, it can be a different story near the ground
[10:54] <eroomde> but it's much more uniform at high altitudes
[10:55] <esculca> I guess
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[10:55] <esculca> well, I will try to use the WSPR over ISM
[10:55] <esculca> let's see what I Can get with that
[10:55] <esculca> thanks
[10:56] <eroomde> good luck. i'm not sure it's the best fit for a floater but there's no harm in lots of people trying out stuff
[10:56] <esculca> I was hoping to receive it myself
[10:56] <esculca> :)
[10:57] <SA6BSS> just let os know and there will be some (including me) that will have a go
[10:57] <esculca> for sure
[10:57] <esculca> I will announce a lauch soon
[10:58] <esculca> launch*
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[11:08] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
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[11:17] <VE3KCL> hi... you may find this interesting http://www.qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s4.html
[11:20] <chimpusmaximus> Apologies as some of the questions i probably asked a while back. I'm looking to something a bit more permeant in terms of antenna setup at home.
[11:21] <chimpusmaximus> I have been looking at possibly a diamond x-50 as antenna and mounting in a similar location as my existing tv aerial.
[11:23] <chimpusmaximus> I assume i would then want to run ideally RG213 through the loft and down into my office. Would a habamp be best placed near the antenna?
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[11:27] <eroomde> yes
[11:27] <gonzo__> yes. But in the loft is close enough. And in the dry and accessibl
[11:27] <gonzo__> you can then run a thinner/cheaper cable down through the house
[11:28] <gonzo__> I use ct100 sat TV cable fopr my rx only runs
[11:28] <gonzo__> unless you plan to tx through it some day, then you should put rg213 allk the way. (And remove the habamp when you TX!)
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[11:30] <chimpusmaximus> ok cheers, can proably hook into some existing cable then one in loft and save a cable run nightmare
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[11:30] <gonzo__> (the x50 antenna may even mount on the ned of your TX antenna pole, without needing the brackets. Running the coax down through the pole. Then it will hardly be noticeable on there
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[11:31] <chimpusmaximus> I might have to get some assistance with mounting.. Its just a bit to high for me and also don't have a suitable ladder.
[11:32] <chimpusmaximus> Do you think a normal TV antenna chap might assist for a fee?
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> Seems likely.
[11:33] <gonzo__> probabkly. Though I suggest you make off all the coax to the antenna, and get him to just do the physical install. As they will probably not have come across anything like an N type/PL259
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> Though ladders are cheapish
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> Ladders get me high.
[11:34] <gonzo__> agree, probably cheaper than calling someone in
[11:34] <chimpusmaximus> Ladders might be cheapish but finding a willing person to go up might take more doing.
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> Strong drink!
[11:35] <chimpusmaximus> Admit i would prefer to do myself as then always aware what has been done. Drink might stop the shaking lol
[11:35] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> Please note, I don't advocate taking drink to get up a ladder without someone standing at the bottom filming it.
[11:36] <chimpusmaximus> :-)
[11:39] <gonzo__> I find myself holding tight and close to the ladders first time, then after half an hour, I'm balancing one foot on the 1st fl;oor windowsill, whilst trying to bounch the ladder along the floor
[11:39] <gonzo__> usually followed by the shocked realisation of ewhat the bloody hell I'm doing
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> Tying on is fucking important.
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> Attach the ladder at the bottom some way, make sure it's secure at the top - climb it and tie it on to somehing or otherwise fix it so it can't go sideways.
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> This can even be a rawlbolt you just put in.
[11:40] <gonzo__> I fell off one last week, only dropped a few feet, but still sore (and embarassed)
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> It going sideways is the primary reason for people falling off ladders
[11:41] <chimpusmaximus> I think my greatest fear is drilling while up a ladder. Just as the hammer drill hits the cavitity wall filling.
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> And if you're doing anything remotely challenging - clipping yourself onto the ladder.
[11:42] <gonzo__> I usually have accidents when using things like step ladders, as you don't have the height to instill some sence of danger
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> So if you fall, you look very silly dangling there.
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively, rent a bouncy castle
[11:43] <gonzo__> if you can get at the existing tv antenna pole, can you lower it, mount the antenna on at the eves level then loft it again?
[11:43] <mattbrejza> or pole vaulting mat
[11:43] <gonzo__> or ask a very fat person to foot the ladder
[11:43] <chimpusmaximus> Might be a good idea on taking down the tv one and adding to it before mounting it all back up.
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> Footing doesn't help much
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> The primary risk with ladders is generally them going sideways
[11:44] <gonzo__> gives you someone soft to land on
[11:44] <gonzo__> ask them to 'catch'
[11:45] <gonzo__> also of using the TV ant pole, you can instpect/recable that too. As they are usually corroded to buggery
[11:45] <chimpusmaximus> is it bad parenting demanding/encouraging your step daughter to do the climbing etc
[11:46] <gonzo__> step kids./... Only half bad
[11:47] <chimpusmaximus> Actually legally i have no say so i should be fine.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf
[11:47] <gonzo__> though we have still come a long way from sending them up chimneys, on the inside
[11:48] <chimpusmaximus> Thats only cause we no longer have that many chimneys to clean.
[11:49] <chimpusmaximus> And to much sugar in food.
[11:49] <gonzo__> bigger chimneys req?
[11:50] <chimpusmaximus> I miss a good open fire in winter
[11:51] <gonzo__> better than a TV
[11:51] <chimpusmaximus> Way better...
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[11:55] <Geoff-G8-> You need one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNiDkS6QyxQ
[11:55] <gonzo__> was it one of the mad-max films, where they had a ragged family sat around a tv set, with the light playing on their faces, but as the cam panned around, it was an empty shell, with a fire burning inside...
[11:55] Nick change: Geoff-G8- -> Geoff-G8DHE
[11:58] <gonzo__> there are civi version of the telescopic ladder
[11:58] <gonzo__> tempted to get one to try
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> LIke the idea of having the aerial built into the material asw ell!
[11:58] <chimpusmaximus> very nice
[12:00] <gonzo__> ladders make good masts too
[12:02] <gonzo__> knew someone who used to have a ladder, with antenna clampoed to top, lying in garden. When he wanted to use it he leaned it against the house, and slotted it onto some unpopulated brackets that were on the house
[12:02] <chimpusmaximus> mmmm
[12:03] <gonzo__> the antenna was originally on the brackets, till he was told to take it down.
[12:05] <chimpusmaximus> You got me thinking i could use a Telescopic Ladder with antenna on it and just put out when needed... but does seem a bit of a bodge, but might get past the wife
[12:05] <eroomde> those exist already for antennas
[12:06] <craag> proper telescopic masts
[12:06] <eroomde> http://www.clarkmasts.com/products/military-masts/scam-mast/
[12:06] <eroomde> you can get them for super cheaps on ebay
[12:06] <eroomde> just need a little compressor to extend them
[12:11] <gonzo__> I have a bit of welded scaff pole concreted in the garden, with an ali scaff pole the piovots at the base. Mine stays in the air, but you could put on eso it lies somewhere out of the way and push it up when req
[12:11] <gonzo__> overall I have about 35ft, with a 15ft colinear on the top. all free standing
[12:12] <gonzo__> though that is a bit much to push up by hand, even occasionally!
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> gonzo__: Wimp.
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> Do it every hour, and you'll soon get pumped!
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[12:36] <eroomde> the conductor paavo jarvi looks considerably like vladimir putin http://static.err.ee/gridfs/920B7830EBBAF1AAD7DC9DCBB7C34D5CBF6F6F41FEB455730DB8A4A636C1C89E.jpg?width=1920
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[12:43] <gonzo__> SpeedEvil, add a rotator, support bearing and a 4ele 70MHz yagi, pushhing 4ft from the pivot and you soon learn about mechanical advantage (and that you don't have much)
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
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[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> These people are quite good as well mine came from them http://www.tennamast.com/
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[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ST_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ST_chase
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ROMANPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ROMANPI_chase
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[13:05] <chimpusmaximus> I think i'll see if i can findsomeone with ladders and then have a good inspection of exiting mounting etc before attempting anything. It might be i can use existing cable runs etc as well.
[13:06] <chimpusmaximus> Wife will think me made doing this just to track some balloons.
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-TRACKER-A_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-TRACKER-A_chase
[13:06] <gonzo__> sat tv cable is ok. Old world TV type cable may be a bit marginal
[13:07] <gonzo__> you should show her some pics of what others have installed for balloon tracking
[13:07] <chimpusmaximus> House is 10 years old and most cable i found so far is all sat tv style
[13:07] <chimpusmaximus> lol
[13:07] <gonzo__> I have the remains of lead covered cloth cable in my place
[13:07] <chimpusmaximus> Might not have helped i lost my last payload and she overheard me discussing what i lost.
[13:08] <gonzo__> (not for TV!)
[13:08] <gonzo__> thenm you need better antenanas so you don't lose the next!
[13:09] <chimpusmaximus> good point... but a boat would have been more use....
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[13:18] <gonzo__> pft, small details!
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[14:12] <DL1SGP> welcome home Lunar_Lander
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[14:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-S2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-S2
[14:40] <eroomde> are they going to launch at the sky academy?
[14:40] <eroomde> weather looks a bit ropes
[14:41] <infaddict> think its tomorrow eroomde
[14:41] <infaddict> unless theyve pulled it forward
[14:42] <infaddict> today was lecture/learning
[14:42] <eroomde> righto
[14:42] <craag> their prediction for tomorrow is errr.. sandy
[14:42] <craag> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cambridge/#
[14:42] <chimpusmaximus> And probably wet what ever
[14:42] <eroomde> let's hope dave doesn't use gliding parachutes
[14:43] <infaddict> yep he'll have to burst it early
[14:43] <eroomde> https://twitter.com/daveake/status/634321489672732672
[14:43] <infaddict> think he's going to the Western site tho
[14:43] <chimpusmaximus> 12 today and i could have reache dout my window and got them
[14:44] <eroomde> unfortunately i think those are exactly the sort of junk hobby-rocket parachutes that i wish people wouldn't use
[14:44] <infaddict> just watching your conference talk now actually eroomde (missed it due to exam)
[14:44] <mattbrejza> just put them up on a 100g balloon
[14:44] <eroomde> ah right!
[14:44] <mattbrejza> (if it was me)
[14:45] <infaddict> if the trend moves towards none glide chutes, wont the predictor need re-writing?
[14:45] <eroomde> no
[14:45] <eroomde> you can't predict the glide
[14:45] <infaddict> ah right
[14:45] <eroomde> s/glide/shit/g
[14:45] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[14:46] <eroomde> the trend should be to use decent chutes - watch to the end of my talk :)
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[15:03] <eroomde> the shit comment was in reference to parachutes that just happen to glide because of a bad design rather than parachutes acively designed to glide, like parafoils
[15:04] <eroomde> if the latter i'm sure we could do something to model their behaviour better in the predictor, but parachutes that glide randomly can't really be predicted. they only add uncertainty
[15:04] <fsphil> gliding chute could be useful if the direction could be controlled
[15:06] <eroomde> they can be
[15:06] <eroomde> hence parafoils
[15:10] <craag> I assume a remote-controllable parafoil would be a uav?
[15:12] <craag> was thinking of an onboard control loop to maintain magnetic/gps heading, then uplinking course changes.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> craag: It is ambiguous in the regulations
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> craag: Parachute is specifically a seperate exempt class in the regulations.
[15:12] <infaddict> mmm this is what i was thinking for the "fly home" idea
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> Exempt from basically all rules
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately 'kite' is not usefully defined in the rules
[15:15] <infaddict> so a glider with a token chute (1") ;-)
[15:15] <eroomde> i think you'd get away with a parafoil
[15:16] <infaddict> so a servo/motor to wind/unwind the left/right controls perhaps
[15:16] <eroomde> yep
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> infaddict: the regs do not say that anything with a parachute is exempt.
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> It says parachutes are exempt.
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> It's hard to argue that a parafoil is not a parachute.
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> It is very easy to argue that something with other significant aerofoils - or propulsion - is
[15:19] <eroomde> https://youtu.be/HU2tymr4Rs0?t=56s
[15:20] <eroomde> that was james, steve and I
[15:20] <eroomde> didn't get that far with it
[15:22] <eroomde> but i knew sod-all about parachutes and parafoils then
[15:22] <eroomde> i could at least rig one up and trim it right now
[15:23] <DL1SGP> hmm Mil uses so called "PMAs" "Pneumatic Muscle Actuators" maybe you get similiar behaviour for smaller packages... I just gonna leave this link in here http://faculty.nps.edu/oayakime/ADSC/AGAS%20-%20Dellicker%20-%20Guidance%20and%20Control%20for%20Flat-Circular%20Parachutes.pdf
[15:24] <eroomde> this vid is what inspired that work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNFUqIRbkc
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[15:29] <infaddict> that is mega cool
[15:29] <craag> great camerawork
[15:30] <infaddict> dual chutes. so parafoil until the last minute or so, then a round chute for softer landing.
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[15:37] <eroomde> yeah
[15:37] <eroomde> it's there for the doing as an amateur first
[15:38] <eroomde> i think that's one of the things i wanted to get across in the history of CUSF bit - we did, and one can, try loads of stuff, and there's loads of stuff you could do
[15:38] <eroomde> ebay know me far too well, it's like they can read my mind with their recommendations
[15:38] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2jtfqhvqkfuq2ct/Screenshot%202015-08-24%2016.30.57.png?dl=0
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[15:44] <Babs__> I should get passing off rights on that smoothie maker
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[15:46] <eroomde> i wondered if you had something to do with it
[15:46] <infaddict> So when people talk about "the regulations" presume its a mix of CAA, Ofcom and others right? I'd like to read up on exactly what is and isnt allowed in terms of foils, gliders, uplink control, onboard control etc.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> infaddict: different agencies regulate different bits.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> OFCOM isn't at all interested about your flying thing, only that it's not on the ground.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> The CAA doesn't care about your radio.
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> https://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=226
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> Is the relevant regulation on things
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> the flying bit anyway
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> Important hints.
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> Some classes of thing are exempt from most of teh rules.
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> Page 235
[15:49] <eroomde> that's the radio side of things ^
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> exemptions from ... for certain classes of aircraft
[15:50] <infaddict> thx guys
[15:50] <infaddict> some light reading ;-)
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> 'small balloon', kite weighing under 2kg, small unmanned aircraft, parachute
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> Also - look at the definitions for 'small balloon' and such - on page 260
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> A small balloon is not the same as a balloon is not the same as a controlled balloon or a tethered balloon
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> And stuff launched with CAA approval is basically exempt as long as you have accurately described it
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[15:53] <infaddict> mmm so the paper plane/glider thing was a small balloon on way up, but a small unmanned aircraft on way down?
[15:53] <infaddict> as it wasnt a kite or balloon after detachment
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> A small unmanned aircraft requires you to be within 70m of it while controlling.
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> This may be tricky
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[15:59] <infaddict> what if you werent controlling it. it controls itself.
[16:00] <infaddict> to me, the nature of the thing changes after burst or release. its a small balloon (with payload) on way up... on way down the classification would change i think.
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> infaddict: 'small unmanned' are only permitted under direct user control
[16:00] <infaddict> so what is a glider (uncontrolled)?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> piloted
[16:01] <infaddict> no, a small glider released from balloon, like the recent world record attempt
[16:01] <infaddict> paper plane or whatever they called it
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> That would be a small unmanned aircraft and is not legal in the UK.
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> However - the CAA can approve launches that violate these rules.
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Also - read the definitions carefully. Page 260
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> 'small unmanned...' ... at the commencement of the flight
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> 'small balloon' 'at any time during the flight' - these sorts of differences can matter
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[16:04] <SpeedEvil> If something is undefined in the interpretation list, that means it takes its 'ordinary english meaning'
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> Which is debatable, and it's much preferable if you can find a defined term with no wiggle-room
[16:04] <infaddict> might be easier to simply apply with an idea than read 3,432,791 pages
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> That is also possible, or ask here
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[16:05] <infaddict> the "fly home" idea is something thats always intrigued me, mainly as i drove 900+ miles on my last launch. so first step is understanding what is allowed vs not allowed.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> It is clear that a parafoil is within the letter and barely within the spirit of the regs.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> But a fixed aerofoil glider is not
[16:14] <fsphil> the self-homing payload would be great for me
[16:15] <nick_> Can you make a little space suit for a pigeon?
[16:18] <infaddict> lol nick_
[16:19] <Vaizki> http://youtu.be/yKzfQny2Pxc
[16:19] <infaddict> swap pigeon for geese and no suit required
[16:19] <Vaizki> Re: small spacesuits & hab :)
[16:20] <Vaizki> Sorry about the Finnish
[16:22] <Vaizki> It's a commercial for a local cellular carrier advertising their coverage and finding out how high it goes
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> NICE!
[16:28] <Vaizki> There's loads of episodes and a 30 minute movie too about the flight :)
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> :) looks good
[16:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OZ2CLJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OZ2CLJ-11
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[18:26] <happil> I have some good news, after the drama with the CAA we have found another launch site!
[18:26] <happil> A farm which is (hopefully) outside of any restricted airspace and they said they'll get our permission done fast
[18:26] <happil> I was wondering if any of you guys knew what sort of gift farmers would like in return for their generosity? Box of chocolates?
[18:27] <daveake> beer
[18:27] <daveake> ime
[18:36] <happil> I don't think it would look very good turning up with a crate of beer?
[18:36] <happil> A bit presumptious?
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[18:39] <craag> presuming that they're british? :P
[18:40] <craag> congrats on getting it sorted so quickly happil
[18:40] <craag> when are you launching?
[18:41] <happil> Hopefully saturday
[18:41] <craag> cool
[18:41] <craag> where's the new launch?
[18:43] <craag> I'm down in southampton - so should be able to track :)
[18:43] <happil> If the CAA gives us some decent stuff this time,
[18:43] <happil> Chisbury Lane Farm
[18:43] <happil> near marlborough
[18:44] <craag> cool
[18:44] <craag> yeah we do have it reasonably easy compared to some other countries to be fair though!
[18:49] <mfa298> if you don't want to do crate of beer, bottle of wine may work (or zider if your in zomerzet)
[18:50] <happil> no chocolates then?
[18:51] <happil> i'm 15 and i don't understand the alcohol obsession so...
[18:51] <happil> :)
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[19:08] <happil> long drive for saturday launch though
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[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
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[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> here is my new and shiny shack :-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/newshack.jpg
[19:45] <Upu> img
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[19:45] <Upu> love the pic on thw all
[19:46] <Upu> the wall
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> yay pioneer
[19:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[19:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> everyone sees naked woman ;-)
[19:49] <happil> wow.
[19:49] <happil> i hope you are the only person who goes in there.
[19:49] <happil> and you have no kids. and your wife never goes in.
[19:49] <Upu> do you know what that image is happil ?
[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: i have 2 kids and wonderfull wife :)
[19:50] <happil> I don't exactly, no
[19:50] <happil> It looks like a message to space.
[19:50] <Upu> man
[19:50] <happil> Something you'd put on a satellite
[19:50] <Upu> what do they teach kids these days
[19:50] <happil> Is it one of the satellite messages?
[19:50] <Upu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_program
[19:50] <happil> To extraterrestrial life?
[19:50] <Upu> also see Voyager's 1 and 2
[19:50] <happil> Hey I was right1
[19:51] <Upu> satellite indicates in orbit
[19:51] <happil> It's the message they put on the plaque!
[19:51] <Upu> those are far far from in orbit
[19:51] <happil> Correction: space probes
[19:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: pionieers was launched before I was born :-)
[19:52] <Upu> !whereis Voyager 2
[19:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: I haven't got a clue
[19:52] <happil> nono upu
[19:52] <happil> !ping Voyager 2
[19:52] <SpacenearUS> 03happil: No contact from 03Voyager 2
[19:52] <happil> Damn! It's gone dark.
[19:52] <Upu> Voyager 1 Distance from Earth 19772126827km
[19:52] <Upu> 36 light hours round trip
[19:53] <happil> the ! commands are nice
[19:53] <happil> wouldn't it be nice to tell people what to do...
[19:53] <Upu> also Tom
[19:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> !dial pioneer10
[19:53] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[19:53] <happil> !bring box of chocolates
[19:53] <Upu> is that electric fly swatter standard or upgraded ? :)
[19:54] <happil> or worse... cheap chinese version off ebay
[19:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: statndard 2.2 kV :-)
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[19:54] <Upu> nice :)
[19:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: i lowe this game :-)
[19:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> love
[19:55] <Upu> happil go read this lot http://history.nasa.gov/computers/Ch6-2.html
[19:55] <happil> I know about voyagers!
[19:55] <happil> >_>
[19:55] <Upu> learn more :)
[19:56] <happil> !integrate lnx
[19:56] <fsphil> nice server cabinet SP9UOB-Tom
[19:57] <happil> sp9uob-Tom nice to see you have a spare pair of glasses.
[19:57] <happil> is that a third i see?
[19:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: This is only passive cabinet - it is for coax cables some 1/2 and 1/4 inch
[19:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: wait im going to the garage to make server cabinet photo :-)
[19:58] <fsphil> it's something I should probably get
[19:58] <fsphil> haha
[19:58] <happil> what do you guys host?
[19:58] <fsphil> this is for my home network :)
[19:59] <fsphil> I have some rack equipment but never got a cabinet for it
[19:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> when I was build the house - i've used 3.5 kilometers of CAT 5 cable :-)
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[20:00] <happil> only cat5?
[20:00] <happil> tutututtut.
[20:00] <happil> CAT5 is so last year..
[20:00] <fsphil> cat6 is a pain
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> cat5e to be precise
[20:00] <happil> CAT6 is the new trend!
[20:00] <fsphil> you're still on cat6 happil? sheesh, cat7 man
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> even HDMI over cat5 works flawessly
[20:01] <fsphil> I got some shielded cat5e, haven't installed it yet
[20:01] <fsphil> hoping it reduces noise on vhf
[20:01] <fsphil> compared to utp
[20:01] <craag> should do fsphil
[20:01] <craag> I've got some short shielded patches that I use with radio kit
[20:01] <craag> helps a lot
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/rack.jpg unfinished yet :-)
[20:01] <happil> fsphil i was trying to be sympathetic
[20:02] <happil> my house is fitted with cat20
[20:02] <happil> cat20e to be precise
[20:02] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: you win :)
[20:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> YEAH !
[20:02] <fsphil> what's that up on the top?
[20:03] <fsphil> with the yellow cable and green sockets
[20:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> fibre connector box
[20:03] <craag> fiber patch?
[20:03] <craag> :)
[20:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: thats fiberoptics
[20:03] <fsphil> show off :p
[20:03] <fsphil> and a rack mounted raspberry pi :p
[20:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: i was off the balloons for allmost one year to make the house :-)
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: yeah, for home automation (can bus)
[20:04] <fsphil> quite a setup
[20:05] <happil> rack mounted rpi?!
[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have so many visitors now, they all want to make a tour over my house ;-)
[20:06] <happil> ticketed entry i hope.
[20:06] <mfa298> damn, fibre in the home, that puts the simulated E1 I have between hall and bedroom to shame
[20:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> lol
[20:06] <happil> to "uphold the integrity and maintenance of the exhibit(s)"
[20:06] <happil> FIBRE IN THE HOME?
[20:06] <fsphil> I've not installed my cat5e yet ... *orders some fibre*
[20:06] <happil> we have fttc!
[20:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: yes, i have 1 gigabit connection (because 10 gbit switches are really expensive :-)
[20:07] <happil> wow.
[20:07] <happil> internet speed?
[20:07] <happil> i have 38 down
[20:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway 1Gb/s is enough (for now)
[20:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: yes
[20:07] <mfa298> I was surprised last year, there are some not exceedingly expensive 10G switches out there, downside is the netgear branding.
[20:08] <happil> mfa298 why care about branding?
[20:08] <happil> wait
[20:08] <happil> you have a 1000 down connection?
[20:08] <happil> whats your upload?
[20:08] <fsphil> my main switch is netgear
[20:08] <craag> I have 100/6 here.
[20:08] <happil> 100/6?
[20:08] <craag> 100 down, 6 up.
[20:08] <happil> amazing download, upload like me
[20:09] <happil> You lot must be able to stream movies in a few seconds
[20:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: 1000/1000
[20:09] <happil> sp9uob-tom bs you serious?
[20:09] <fsphil> the uk is well behind
[20:09] <mfa298> configuring one port on netgear kit takes twice as long as the whole switch router config on something decent (hp/cisco/extreme/brocade/...)
[20:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: yes, but im not regular customer
[20:09] <happil> you, sir, are my new idol in life.
[20:09] <happil> forget celebrities
[20:09] <craag> happil: look up google fiber
[20:10] <mattbrejza> meh, janet
[20:10] <craag> they're rolling out gigabit across the US
[20:10] <craag> yes.. janet would be nice
[20:10] <craag> brb running ethernet down the road from campus..
[20:10] <mfa298> we've got 1000/1000 at work (although need a better router) but my home internet is pretty poor,
[20:11] <mattbrejza> i have a speedtest.net for 800/500 or so
[20:11] <mfa298> still I can get a lot of harddrives in my car
[20:11] <happil> Ever considered entering the internet world championships?
[20:11] <craag> I'm opposite, home: 100/6, work 4/0.25
[20:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: its hard to find speedtest server which can give 1 gbit of traffic http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4607922307
[20:11] <happil> I had 8/0.4 until last year!!!!
[20:11] <happil> then we got FTTC
[20:11] <fsphil> I have a full gigabit connection
[20:11] <mfa298> SP9UOB-Tom: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest seems to be decent for faster internet
[20:11] <fsphil> ... to my email server downstairs
[20:11] <happil> lol
[20:12] <happil> I have a full gigabit connection! to the SSD.
[20:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> happil: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4607926654
[20:12] <mfa298> speedtest.net can be very varied (had to try around 20 servers from our work DC connection) to prove we had decent connectivity into there
[20:12] <happil> taking one now
[20:13] <happil> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4607928901
[20:13] <happil> download seems to be a bit slow. peak time slowdown?
[20:14] <happil> Well, while you guys are downloading the entire content of the internet tonight, I need to go. ciao.
[20:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> mfa298: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/1172446
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[20:14] <mfa298> happil: you on wifi ?
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[20:16] <mfa298> SP9UOB-Tom: interesting stuff in the run log, looks like you got better speeds from the streams from Canada than from Amsterdam
[20:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> mfa298: i have only 1 Gbit connection to the AMS-IX
[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> mfa298: that is shared between my customesr
[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> customers
[20:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> mfa298: it is not saturated, but well overbooked
[20:20] <mfa298> just surprising that the streams from another continent seemed to be faster than the local ones, that said there are more of the local ones so overal proably similar numbers
[20:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> transatlantic cables, are really cheap nowadays
[20:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> there is a lot of these
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[20:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-50 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-50
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[20:38] <SM0ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: but it would help if someone broke seom new transmission records in bit/Hz. 100 TBit been the limit for some time
[20:40] <fsphil> is that all? :)
[20:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> SM0ULC: they are working on n-PSK modulation schemes for fiberoptics
[20:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: then you will have only one button "whole internet download" ;-)
[20:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> back to the clue. I love my new room :-)
[20:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> and I'm proud of it :-)
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[20:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-12
[20:47] <SM0ULC> :)
[20:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KG7VCK-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7VCK-11
[20:49] <daveake> ping
[20:49] <daveake> oops
[20:51] <mfa298> E_NODEST
[20:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it going to be Splish Splash Splosh tomorrow ?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB-Tom, the room is cool :)
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[20:56] <SM0ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: great with small 19" rack
[20:57] <DL1SGP> SP9UOB-Tom and all: PTB will be launching from Lindenberg tomorrow, launch will include a crossband repeater, sstv, aprs and speech output, posted details to the group a few minutes ago...
[20:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP: sadly, i'll be at the work
[20:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP:no details on the group yet
[21:01] <DL1SGP> launch is 10:45ish UTC see https://tinyurl.com/pwg95ga
[21:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-10 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-10
[21:07] <SM0ULC> DL1SGP: sstv was a bit oldschool ;)
[21:07] <fsphil> retro :)
[21:08] <DL1SGP> heh SM0ULC not my bird but if they have the room for adding it... why not
[21:08] <fsphil> indeed
[21:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> SM0ULC: the small rack is intended to be a RF patch cable/grounding cabinet. And of course to collocate rack rotator controller ;-)
[21:15] <SM0ULC> DL1SGP: just not seen it in quite a while.
[21:16] <DL1SGP> SM0ULC: ISS used it quite often recently
[21:16] <DL1SGP> gagarin memorial and so on
[21:16] <SM0ULC> yeah, but on HABs
[21:16] <SM0ULC> ISS should try some SSDV :)
[21:17] <DL1SGP> heh
[21:17] <SM0ULC> promote collaboration
[21:28] <DanielRichman> F
[21:28] <DanielRichman> hmm. nothing to see here
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[21:29] <ulfr> woo
[21:29] <ulfr> Back in Iceland, thanks for the conference!
[21:30] <eroomde> great to meet you
[21:30] <eroomde> assuming you're samuel
[21:30] <ulfr> Yes.
[21:33] <Upu> hey ulfr I concur with eroomde good to put a face to a nickname
[21:33] <eroomde> yes
[21:34] <SA6BSS> ulfr: u should listen on 144.7 sp3osj might be in range
[21:34] <ulfr> What modulation?
[21:34] <ulfr> Aprs?
[21:34] <Upu> and F-1 434.070 20 min tx rate
[21:35] <SA6BSS> rtty 100
[21:35] <ulfr> Oh
[21:35] <ulfr> I don't have anything to decode that atm
[21:35] <SA6BSS> ahh, ok
[21:35] <ulfr> Need to set up my 2m radio at home again.
[21:40] <fsphil> I must get an antenna up incase that pico comes this way
[21:40] <ulfr> I did install an antenna on the roof when I moved in, but after I removed the 2m radio I haven't done much with it
[21:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: or You can build roofberry-PI ;-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SDR/
[21:43] <ulfr> Now that's something.
[21:43] <fsphil> ah very good
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello ulfr
[21:44] <fsphil> I'm doing something similar up on the mountain
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> may I ask a question?
[21:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL :-) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203450133414629
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
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[21:45] <fsphil> not a fan of using Pi's for remote places
[21:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: its more than 2 years on the roof. Working flawessly
[21:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-N1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-N1
[21:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-S1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-S1
[21:46] <fsphil> sweet
[21:46] <fsphil> the one on the mountain has worked well. infact it was the ubiquiti wifi that failed first
[21:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-12
[21:47] <fsphil> well it seems to have, still debugging it
[21:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: i have 15kV DC/DC converter to isolate the power to the RPI and fiber to ethernet converter to isolate data
[21:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-12
[21:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> so the RPI can be grounded
[21:48] <craag> whats up with it fsphil ?
[21:48] <fsphil> power to the Pi stopped, then it factory reset itself
[21:49] <fsphil> got it going again but only worked for an hour and it went off again
[21:49] <fsphil> still not got it back yet
[21:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> and antennas (currently 3 - Discone for SDR, J-Pole for ADS-b and J-Pole for 436 MHz DV-Hotspot) are dc-shorted
[21:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-11
[21:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-12
[21:49] <fsphil> sitting at a friends house, will be grabbing it soon
[21:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-12
[21:51] <fsphil> !dial F-1
[21:51] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03F-1 10(0330): 03434.06935 MHz, 434.06937 MHz
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[21:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-A1 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-A1
[21:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-S2 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-S2
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[21:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> time to bed, nite all
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[21:57] <fsphil> nite
[21:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-A2 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-A2
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[22:09] <daveake> https://twitter.com/daveake/status/635936558655369216 :)
[22:10] <fsphil> More!
[22:11] <daveake> less!
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[22:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Hehe looks just like mine tonight as well
[22:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> No test of RPF-C
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[23:04] <ulfr> Will any parts of the presentation be posted online?
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7KujrsUB1w
[23:31] <ulfr> Well, yes, but the presentations them self?
[23:32] <ulfr> I'm not sure if it's a tradition in the UK, but usually in Iceland (and most of the nordics anyway) we usually post a pdf of our slides after the conference.
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