highaltitude.log.20150821

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[00:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL4MDW-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW-12
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[04:07] <WB8ELK> Can someone approve a Flight Doc for me? ee88f173f53dcd7bc38c5df1167bd42d
[04:07] <WB8ELK> ee88f173f53dcd7bc38c5df1167bd42d
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[04:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1_chase
[04:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0319741_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=19741_chase
[04:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[06:14] <eroomde> I'm going to ban GapSpark as he's just a troll (and was a few yrs ago too)
[06:15] <eroomde> thanks for PMing me with reports of his latest
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[06:15] <eroomde> +b ~Gapspark@109.144.147.*
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[06:23] <Oddstr13> eroomde: err, I think you forgot the "/mode #highaltitude" part
[06:24] <eroomde> oh!
[06:24] <eroomde> sorry
[06:24] <eroomde> trying to make breakfast at the same time
[06:24] <eroomde> doesn;t work well
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[06:24] <Oddstr13> also not a valid ban mask
[06:25] <Oddstr13> *!*Gapspark@109.144.147.*
[06:25] <Oddstr13> try that one instead
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[06:26] <eroomde> thanks Oddstr13
[06:26] <Oddstr13> no prob
[06:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> Oddstr13: ready for some trackin later? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/t3y8xdV-z1M
[06:28] <eroomde> one of the nice things about this channel is that it's so friendly that having to do moderation is infreqent enough to never properly sink in :)
[06:30] <Oddstr13> SA6BSS-Mike: got predictions for that one?
[06:33] <Oddstr13> I still don't have any antenna other than my random wire one
[06:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> its an up/down abour 35km
[06:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> make a simple dipole would work
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[06:42] <Upu> untested WB8ELK
[06:42] <Upu> [07:42] <SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: WB8ELK (4d7b, 2 years ago) and 1 untested (ae7d)
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[06:57] <Oddstr13> SA6BSS-Mike: got any design tools for dipole?
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[07:31] <SP3OSJ> #HABHUB
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[07:53] <Upu> got your number infaddict
[07:53] <Upu> you on Whatsapp ?
[07:53] <infaddict> Hey Upu. Yep I am.
[07:53] <Upu> daveake got whatsapp ?
[07:58] <daveake> yup
[07:59] <Upu> ok you're all added
[07:59] <eroomde> you can make a group
[07:59] <Upu> I haz
[07:59] <eroomde> with a fun name
[07:59] <Upu> Beer and Balloons
[07:59] <eroomde> conf-hab-ulations
[07:59] <fsphil> the latex club
[08:00] <DL1SGP> goood morning folks
[08:00] <eroomde> that escalated quickly
[08:00] <Upu> Phil you on this new fangles social networking thingy ?
[08:00] <fsphil> lol
[08:00] <fsphil> Upu: no, though I keep being told by people to install whatsapp
[08:00] <fsphil> I'm not even sure what it is
[08:00] <Upu> go install it :)
[08:00] <Upu> its like the most amazing social networking thing this week
[08:01] <russss> if someone brings an SMA antenna tomorrow, I can bring my one of these https://rad1o.badge.events.ccc.de/
[08:01] <russss> it would make a neat portable tracker
[08:01] <Upu> I have one russss
[08:01] <fsphil> I've a few though I've no idea what frequency they're tuned for
[08:02] <fsphil> anyone bringing an antenna analyser? :)
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[08:08] <infaddict> i'm in da group thx Upu
[08:08] <eroomde> i could bring a vna
[08:08] <eroomde> but then i don't want to be babysitting it for the pub sessions
[08:08] <Upu> I have that MiniVNA if you want ?
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[08:09] <eroomde> for fsphil really
[08:10] <Upu> I packed it
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[08:37] <Ian_> ping upu
[08:37] <SM0ULC> he went on a train to london
[08:39] <Upu> almost..
[08:39] <Upu> Ian -> Whatsapp
[08:39] <Upu> cheers
[08:39] <Ian_> Thanks SMGULC -
[08:39] <Ian_> Hi Upu I have a simple phone - no whatsapp. did you get my msg mobile phone no last night?
[08:40] <Upu> I'll text you after 5 this evening
[08:40] <Upu> when we know what we are doing
[08:40] <Upu> cheers
[08:40] <Upu> train to catch laters
[08:40] <Ian_> Rgr, you have the number?
[08:40] <Ian_> Safe trip.
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[09:27] <Babs_> well, the suspense is building and I for one am very excited about tomorrow
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[09:31] <mattbrejza> i hope youve got something for show and tell ;)
[09:31] <Laurenceb> hmm I need to pack a big box of stuff
[09:32] <Laurenceb> time to get busy
[09:32] <mattbrejza> sounds like a job for 11pm tonight
[09:32] <mattbrejza> or 7am tomorrow mornign
[09:32] <craag> :P
[09:32] <Laurenceb> heh
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[09:32] <Laurenceb> catching 7:30am train
[09:33] <Laurenceb> not too bad
[09:33] <mattbrejza> catching the 7.20 craag-mobile
[09:33] <craag> 7.10 from yours mattbrejza
[09:34] <craag> roughly..
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[09:34] <mattbrejza> oh ok
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[09:35] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: Off to a good start #ukhas http://t.co/wit4hwHdhf
[09:36] <Laurenceb> mattbrejza: Southampton?
[09:36] <mattbrejza> yar
[09:36] <Laurenceb> lulz like I said
[09:36] <Laurenceb> its faster to London from Derby
[09:37] <mattbrejza> well it should be 1.30 on a clear day...
[09:45] <Babs_> mattbrejza - was thinking of either bringing along stabilotron II eclipse pointy thing, or lardy-pico for everyone to laugh at
[09:45] <infaddict> Babs_: would love to see any eclipse related kit
[09:46] <craag> infaddict: I trust you're ready for the test tomorrow?
[09:46] <Babs_> its a real shame, I have ordered some cnc machined blue styrene to sit in the gimbal and hold the camera, but it won't arrive by tomorrow
[09:46] <mattbrejza> if you want to see some eclipse kit i have some corroded rpis sitting here...
[09:47] <craag> lol yeah bring them along :P
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[09:47] <infaddict> hey craag, slightly under prepared I must admit, as last few weekends been taken up with driving 1000 mile round trip, househunting "dawn sawth".
[09:47] <infaddict> But have done the past papers and online tests and passed
[09:47] <infaddict> so should be ok
[09:47] <craag> heh you'll be fine :)
[09:47] <infaddict> i did have a q - are the band plans provided during test? or need to memorise?
[09:47] <craag> mostly common sense, and being able to read the bandplan
[09:47] <craag> bandplans are provided
[09:48] <infaddict> phew ok - i know the major ones but some q's are rather detailed
[09:48] <craag> yeah they're testing that you can read it ;)
[09:48] <infaddict> great, mostly the ones i got wrong were having to guess band plan answers that i didnt know (and didnt realise i could reference the sheet)
[09:48] <gonzo__> there will be the obligatory safetyu question. How to wire a plug, etc
[09:49] <craag> not how to wire a plug
[09:49] <craag> that's too hard for foundation :P
[09:49] <infaddict> and i have 3 hours on a train later to read back thru stuff ;-)
[09:49] <russss> yeah wiring plugs is intermediate
[09:49] <russss> ...
[09:49] <infaddict> lol
[09:49] <gonzo__> has that gone? there was a plug colour code Q on the last one I sat in on
[09:50] Action: infaddict packs flip flops, shades, shorts as London is too hot for a Northerner
[09:50] <russss> wiring *anything* is all in intermediate, I'm pretty sure
[09:50] <gonzo__> I know that making up an RF connector is on the inetrmediate
[09:50] <craag> ah
[09:50] <russss> the intermediate practicals involve wiring a 13A plug and wiring an N-type
[09:50] <craag> you should 'Recall the correct way to wire a 3-pin mains plug. '
[09:50] <infaddict> the foundation practice papers had basic plug question (identify wire)
[09:50] <craag> fair enough
[09:50] <gonzo__> but have seen to many badly wired pl259's, from people who should know better
[09:50] <infaddict> and then basic ohms law and power equation stuff
[09:50] <craag> yep, all easy stuff
[09:51] <gonzo__> (though those who really know better, would use N types)
[09:51] <craag> I'm a big fan of bnc
[09:51] <russss> psh, n-type or GTFO
[09:51] <craag> :P
[09:51] <infaddict> craag, will we be practicing any of the practical side before test i.e. CQ stuff
[09:51] <gonzo__> 7/16th
[09:51] <russss> N-type and SMA are the only two true RF connectors
[09:51] <infaddict> as thats the bit i have never really done
[09:51] <craag> infaddict: practical is more of an experience than a test
[09:52] <infaddict> ok ;-)
[09:52] <gonzo__> some of the EME people are going for 7/16th, as they are poushing the power ratings for N types
[09:52] <craag> I meant to email about it last night, but left laptop charger in the office - will email at lunch today.
[09:52] <gonzo__> will there be any streaming of the conf?
[09:52] <craag> gonzo__: yes, youtube live link on the conf page
[09:53] <craag> will you not be there?
[09:53] <gonzo__> tallest_red, will see what I can catch.
[09:53] <gonzo__> ? bl;oody auto complete
[09:54] <craag> you can't tab-complete your sentences yet gonzo__ ;)
[09:54] <gonzo__> nope. I don't do london.
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[09:54] <gonzo__> hehe, I need a generic auto correct, that puts what I mean, not what I type
[09:58] <Upu> yay train
[10:00] <infaddict> Upu is there general East Coast issues today?
[10:00] <infaddict> my train not till 2pm
[10:00] <Upu> yeah
[10:00] <infaddict> urgh
[10:00] <Upu> someone ate the cables apparently
[10:00] <Upu> but I'm on a replacement train
[10:00] <infaddict> ha
[10:00] <Upu> in 1st class
[10:00] <Upu> which is very nice thanks
[10:01] <Upu> I'd probably check
[10:01] <infaddict> ooh very nice.
[10:01] <Upu> initially they told me I'd have to go via Sheffield
[10:01] <infaddict> i used up all my EC rewards so no more 1st class for me
[10:02] <Upu> first time for me would do it again
[10:02] <Upu> lovely seats
[10:02] <Upu> free wifi coffee
[10:02] <Upu> and lots of space
[10:02] <Babs_> upu - saw the tweet about the trains. My first reaction was
[10:02] <Babs_> they've got trains up North now?
[10:02] <infaddict> yer you get free food/drink too
[10:03] <Upu> yeah we got horseless carriages too Babs_
[10:03] <Upu> well southern
[10:03] <infaddict> 29 degrees in London on Saturday. What madness.
[10:04] <Upu> I know
[10:04] <Upu> not packed a coat
[10:04] <russss> I've been at CCCamp for a week where it was 32-38 degrees, I'm finding this weather a bit chilly.
[10:04] <Upu> lol
[10:05] <Babs_> Aerial footage of Leeds, yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLErPqqCC54
[10:05] <infaddict> there's no caps or whippets so can't be
[10:05] <Babs_> on a serious note, will be good to see everyone again
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[10:06] <ibanezmatt13> definitely
[10:06] <Upu> can't open that Babs_
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[10:06] <Upu> I doubt free wifi will cope
[10:07] <Babs_> east cost trains wifi. Great in theory....
[10:07] <Upu> IRC is lagging, however I am playing remote desktop inception here -> work -? home
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[10:09] <infaddict> yep get ready for 137 drop outs between Leeds and KX
[10:10] <infaddict> i usually give up a tether to mobile instead (still not perfect)
[10:12] <Upu> seems ok
[10:12] <Upu> just doing work mails atm
[10:14] <gonzo__> people see free wifi and start strafing the bandwidth watching TV or videos of cats on YT
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[10:30] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - UKHAS Conference 2015 this Saturday 22/08 https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2015 - Please read the wiki http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk
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[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0UPU_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0UPU_chase
[10:37] <infaddict> haha nice
[10:39] <Upu> chase train
[10:40] <Upu> I think my Z3 GPS is knackered
[10:40] <Upu> check how far from the tracks I am
[10:41] <Upu> it was playing up on the last chase
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[10:44] <infaddict> yer my phone doesnt like locking on when moving fast
[10:45] <Babs_> EM interference on the GPS.
[10:45] <Babs_> from the train and the lines
[10:46] <mattbrejza> more likely to be metal box issues than interference
[10:47] <Babs_> also the GPS on Upu's phone has never been in such low latitudes. it is probably getting confused.
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[10:48] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/51oTrKY.png
[10:49] <Babs_> I get a similar log when I ask my wife to make me a cup of tea
[10:49] <Upu> lol
[10:50] <craag> gps in my phone has never had much problem at speed: http://i.imgur.com/5aqYpJ7.png
[10:50] <Upu> on the last chase it thought it was 500 meters away from where it was
[10:51] <Upu> which was bloody confusing
[10:51] <mattbrejza> yea mines locked on a plane many a time (takes forever though)
[10:51] <craag> I have had issues when mine gets too hot in the holder under the windscreen though
[10:51] <craag> gps will lose fix intermittently
[10:52] <craag> then go haywire and think im in norway
[10:52] <craag> very helpful on a chase :D
[10:52] <infaddict> ha i had my iPhone shut down with heat warning for 1st time other day
[10:52] <RealBorg> what kind of gps?
[10:52] <Upu> me ?
[10:53] <craag> RealBorg: it's a qualcomm soc thing
[10:54] <RealBorg> good thing i've kept my trusty garmin gps12 :)
[10:55] <craag> yeah ive still got a mio in the glovebox
[10:55] <craag> not powered it on in at least a year though
[10:57] <RealBorg> its amazing how technology has been degrading over the past decades
[10:58] <RealBorg> gps is 70s technology - after 45 years - they can't get it right
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> 80s
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> And how degrading?
[10:59] <craag> to be fair, mine only has issues when the battery is reporting 60+, and it's running maps, so I'd imagine the rf frontend silicon was closer to 90 degrees or more.
[10:59] <SpeedEvil> Actually, no, 70s is proabbly right
[11:02] <RealBorg> like apollo and the space shuttle (even though the shuttle was first launched in 1981)
[11:03] <RealBorg> saturn v could carry 140 metric tons to leo
[11:03] <RealBorg> space shuttle 24 tons
[11:05] <RealBorg> saturn v 18 tons and the latest and greatest falcon 9 only 13 tons
[11:05] <RealBorg> you see the picture?
[11:07] <craag> that's just one metric though
[11:07] <craag> not one I know much about, so can't argue
[11:07] <craag> but eg. with gps - we've gone for extreme power consumption and physical size optimisation
[11:08] <RealBorg> humans set foot on the moon in 1969
[11:08] <RealBorg> were are we now? in low erath orbit
[11:08] <craag> is there the reason to spend money/resources on going further right now though?
[11:09] <RealBorg> and if you think the iss is an achievement: skylab (1973-1979) and mir (1986-2001) were there before
[11:10] <RealBorg> craag, I'd like to ask any politician that very question when humanity is threatened by an extinction level event
[11:11] <RealBorg> "sorry people, humanity is doomed because we had no money for space exploration"
[11:12] <RealBorg> I wonder if and when some filmmaker will have the cojones to show that in a movie
[11:12] <craag> personally I don't think we should spend too many resources on manned spaceflight until we've got a good reason to.
[11:13] <RealBorg> I agree with stephen hawking by disagreeing ;)
[11:13] <RealBorg> i think humanity should have built a permanent basis on the moon in the 80s
[11:14] <RealBorg> a basis on mars by the 90s
[11:14] <craag> the cost of resupplying the iss is high enough
[11:14] <craag> resupplying a moon base, I'm guessing, would be a *lot* more
[11:14] <DL1SGP> they grow their own salad now :P
[11:14] <RealBorg> and sent stupid iss, I wish that thing would have never been built
[11:15] <RealBorg> so much money for so little benefit
[11:16] <RealBorg> it's almost become a vacation spot for the very rich and eccentric people
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[11:17] <infaddict> righto leaving now to head to UKHAS conference. See a few of you there (trains permitting!)
[11:18] <DL1SGP> enjoy the conference infaddict
[11:18] <RealBorg> after all that progress in the 70s, I would have expected to be able to just book a ticket to one of several space stations if i wanted
[11:18] <craag> infaddict: see you tomorrow infaddict !
[11:18] <RealBorg> infaddic_, enjoy!
[11:18] <craag> RealBorg: That was all politically fueled though
[11:18] <RealBorg> wernher von braun was a politician?
[11:19] <craag> I doubt it could have been sustained without compromising other aspects of our development
[11:19] <craag> the funding
[11:20] <RealBorg> it would have created millions of jobs with highly qualified people
[11:22] <craag> Who would pay them?
[11:23] <RealBorg> where did all the money come from when the banking institutions were in trouble?
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[11:23] <RealBorg> would have been more than enough to get us a permanent base on mars
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[11:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> titan @ 9000m
[11:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> $$TITAN_1,296,11:37:21,55.550095,11.194072,9066,10,22,3394,0*4C7B
[11:39] <DL1SGP> :)
[11:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> can someone try make a flight doc so it show on map
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[11:43] <DL1SGP> SA6BSS-Mike: http://habitat.habhub.org ... genpayload option
[11:43] <DL1SGP> I think :)
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TITAN_1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TITAN_1
[11:44] <DL1SGP> ah phiew
[11:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, got it
[11:44] <DL1SGP> what freq is it on SA6BSS-Mike ?
[11:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> 434.485
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[11:44] <DL1SGP> thank you
[11:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> 434.485@ 1000hz
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[12:19] <tweetBot> @Project_HAB: @nerdsville I'm not going this year. I'm hoping they guys will put the conference online live like they have in previous years #ukhas #hab
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[12:20] <Upu> should be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7KujrsUB1w
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[12:21] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: #ukhas 2015 Conference live stream should be at https://t.co/k91BtekQFe
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[12:31] <DL1SGP> SA6BSS-Mike: hearing it now
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[12:52] <Babs_> just been on spacenear. Proper respect for the person controlling that balloon over Europe.
[12:52] <fsphil> hah
[12:53] <DL1SGP> heh
[12:53] <Babs_> fsphil, are you making it over?
[12:54] <Babs_> and is arko coming?
[12:54] <RealBorg> Crossing the Karman Line - Laurence Blaxter & Leo Bodnar
[12:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> DL1SGP: nice , any greens yet?
[12:54] <RealBorg> any preliminary information on this talk
[12:54] <fsphil> Babs_: me yep, arko nope
[12:54] <fsphil> currently sitting in an airport
[12:54] <adamgreig> spoilers: they haven't yet
[12:54] <Babs_> ok cool. see you there. No dropping into the Isle of Man on the way over for old times sake.
[12:55] <RealBorg> adamgreig, sure of that, what are they proposing?
[12:55] <fsphil> will try not too. maybe a few photos
[12:55] <Babs_> I reckon its going to be about the Karman Line, and crossing it
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial titan_1
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[12:55] <adamgreig> the lesser known alternative to the Kármán line
[12:55] <adamgreig> only 10km, much easier
[12:55] Action: RealBorg hands Babs_ a badge stating "Cpt. Obvious"
[12:56] <Babs_> If they come on to Karman Chameleon by Culture Club that would be a good opener
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[12:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY100/450/7n2+APRS+CW 10(781e)
[12:56] <RealBorg> small rocket on a balloon?
[12:56] <lz1dev> http://static.rgp.io/2015-08-21_6cwcrtiteg.png
[12:56] <lz1dev> :>
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[12:56] <fsphil> subtitle in small letters,.. "In Kerbal Space Program"
[12:59] <Laurenceb> sup
[12:59] <Laurenceb> i have a teezer
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> A hint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_%28lunar_crater%29
[13:00] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/i6WYNTZ.gif
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> Needs more cowbell.
[13:01] <Laurenceb> grey part is a Cesaroni Pro24
[13:02] <Babs_> Laurenceb - if it has any hint of a hyperloop I am not listening
[13:02] <Laurenceb> lul
[13:02] <Laurenceb> i dont think so
[13:03] <Laurenceb> its doing 15krpm in the gif :D
[13:04] <BrainDamage> how do you detach from the spin coupler? does the exaust melt the plastic "wires" ?
[13:04] <Laurenceb> theres a dog clutch machines into the bottom
[13:04] <Laurenceb> *machined
[13:05] <Laurenceb> plasti cstays behind / gets obliterated
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[13:15] <tweetBot> @Tim_Hines: Train leg #2 on journey to #UKHAS 2015 conference. On time so far! #highaltitude
[13:16] <fsphil> the race is on
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[13:22] <Upu> I'm here
[13:23] <fsphil> *the race for second place is on
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[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL4MDW-12-LOG after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW-12-LOG
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[13:27] <Babs_> are you setting up tonight upu?
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[13:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is there no profile for Titan in fl-dlfigi?
[13:54] <Upu> nope Babs_
[13:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> signal just went off?
[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh was at 210m on last packet, so landed ofcause :-)
[14:00] <WB8ELK> Can someone approve a Flight Doc; 1b0e933081f0b4b884f8684fafe453fd
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[14:09] <Laurenceb> http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/4716164900_1413393540.jpg
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[14:09] <Laurenceb> neat
[14:09] <mattbrejza> arduino shield...
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[14:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK
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[14:50] <Oddstr13> my topcom PMR radios are sending out those signals; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4306267/ShareX/2015/08/2015-08-21_16-47-58.png any idea of what the purpose is?
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[14:57] <murb> Oddstr13: try moving futher away from the radio.
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[15:07] <Oddstr13> murb: it's still visible (just so) at a distance from the antenna of 5m, with RF Gain of 0dB (RTL-SDR)
[15:07] <Oddstr13> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4306267/ShareX/2015/08/2015-08-21_17-07-24.png
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[15:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like its the local oscillator scanning in 12.5KHz steps 424.35+10.7= 434.05Mhz centre frequency its tuned to ?
[15:40] <DL1SGP> indeed
[15:45] <Oddstr13> makes sense I guess
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[15:50] <PE0SAT> /c/c
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[15:54] <DL1SGP> goeden dag PE0SAT
[15:54] <DL1SGP> PE0SAT: Jan will you be on DNAT ? :)
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[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[16:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-6
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[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03km4jhd_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=km4jhd_chase
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[18:48] <Jet> Hello
[18:49] Nick change: Jet -> happil
[18:49] <happil> I just received exemption from CAA for my launch that has been months in planning
[18:49] <happil> They have told me that I must launch between 6-7 AM
[18:50] <happil> I am not able to do this as the launch site is 2hr away from home and everything was arranged for a late morning to midday launch
[18:50] <happil> I clearly stated the required time zone in the application form and they haven't mentioned the "Bristol air zone" before
[18:50] <jcoxon> happil, might be worth discussing it with them then
[18:51] <happil> I have just sent the gentleman an email
[18:51] <RealBorg> be polite
[18:51] <happil> I applied for the launch over a month in advance with the launch time I needed and not once have they mentioned this
[18:51] <happil> Now they decide to spring this on me a week from the launch.
[18:52] <happil> I just emailed the CAA gentleman but they do not work weekends and the launch window commences on tuesday
[18:53] <RealBorg> call them
[18:53] <happil> Their offices are only open weekdays till 5:30PM
[18:53] <happil> Has anyone experiences this sort of issue before?
[18:54] <adamgreig> morning launch requirements in controlled airspace are common
[18:54] <happil> I understand but I now have no time to make alternative arrangements
[18:54] <adamgreig> sometimes that is the annoying way of it
[18:54] <happil> I specified a time range on the form over a month ago
[18:55] <happil> I have got a whole event around this launch
[18:55] <happil> People coming to film etc
[18:55] <adamgreig> you can try and phone them on monday, but..
[18:56] <happil> I wish they had told me this when I applied. I cannot be filming at 5AM in the dark, leaving at 2AM in the morning
[18:59] <eroomde> happil: this does happen
[19:00] <eroomde> and had you asked, we'd have strongly advised to not build a very high-steakes thing around launching at a specific time
[19:00] <happil> Its not really specific
[19:00] <happil> I made the time range on the CAA form large, 11AM to 4PM
[19:00] <happil> So this issue wouldn't occur
[19:01] <eroomde> it might have occured due to weather
[19:01] <eroomde> that's the more usual thing
[19:01] <happil> I cannot get people filming there for 6AM, nor can our kickstarter backers be there
[19:01] <eroomde> for example, you couldn't launch if the prediction that day put it down somewhere populated
[19:01] <happil> The exemption is for a 2 week window
[19:01] <eroomde> ah right
[19:02] <happil> Predicting into next week the calculator already has it landing in the middle of nowhere
[19:02] <happil> I made a large window for this reason exactly
[19:02] <eroomde> sure though it can change a lot over the course of a few days, but if you gave yourself a two week window then that's probably about all you could have done
[19:02] <happil> I don't know what to do
[19:03] <eroomde> find an alternative launch site
[19:03] <happil> Will they issue an emergency permit for an alternative location outside of the restricted airspace?
[19:03] <eroomde> assuming time window and kickstarter backers are time-constrained
[19:03] <eroomde> there is no such thing as an emergency permit but if you call up and ask nicely they night turn it around in a few days
[19:03] <eroomde> don't be rude
[19:03] <eroomde> don't mention kickstarter
[19:04] <RealBorg> happil, someone didn't understand your requirements
[19:04] <happil> OK, I am never rude... But I won't mention KS
[19:04] <eroomde> both those things make sympathy evaporate quickly
[19:04] <eroomde> or rather than this might be commercial/financial in nature (not specifically kickstarter)
[19:04] <eroomde> what is your KS out of interest?
[19:05] <happil> Its not a commercial launch, its a non profit
[19:05] <RealBorg> tell them you need a late launch time and whether to move to another site
[19:05] <happil> KS is to launch a high altitude balloon which despatches our backers messages into near space and launched their items in our payload
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[19:05] <eroomde> where are you currently?
[19:05] <happil> Currently? We are to launch in Avon Country Park in Keynsham
[19:06] <eroomde> is that where you want to launch?
[19:06] <happil> I am based near London, which is why I went west.
[19:06] <happil> Yes that is where I would like to launch
[19:06] <happil> But myself and other project dependent people cannot make such an early time
[19:06] <eroomde> what's your KS?
[19:06] <happil> Project Hermes
[19:07] <eroomde> and could you go somewhere else near london?
[19:07] <happil> Predictions aren't good near London, even more restricted airspace (Heathrow) plus the filming guy is based near bristol
[19:08] <richardeoin> You're about 15km straight off the end of the Bristol airport runway in Keynsham, that will make the CAA sad :(
[19:09] <happil> I thought that would be better than near heathrow
[19:09] <eroomde> you should talk to this chap happil ^
[19:09] <cm13g09> richardeoin: Nowhere's "good" is there really between Bristol and London is there?
[19:09] <happil> I figured that the NOTAM would sort out the planes: so we would launch on their command waiting for a plane
[19:10] <eroomde> they tend to want you to stay away from busy airspace regardless
[19:10] <richardeoin> mmm, I've always gone either north or south of bristol for launches
[19:11] <happil> I do appreciate there could be issues with planes but they seem to have ignored the time frame I put on the form!
[19:13] <eroomde> i suspect they don't look at them until just before
[19:13] <eroomde> and then decree one way or the other
[19:13] <richardeoin> yeah, as I understand it the CAA are not going to mix a balloon launch with commertial traffic
[19:14] <richardeoin> the NOTAM is more for people out with their cessna
[19:14] <eroomde> exactly so
[19:15] <happil> I thought I'd done everything by the book
[19:15] <happil> Giving plenty of time, a launch location where there is no major town east of it
[19:15] <eroomde> well no
[19:15] <eroomde> so
[19:15] <eroomde> let's not go on about that, and just think about alternatives
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[19:17] <happil> I have no alternative sites with landowner permission
[19:17] <happil> I contacted the landowner months ago and he agreed to let us use his field
[19:17] <happil> Nor do I have a site 28 days in advance.
[19:17] <eroomde> so, here are some thoughts, in your position
[19:18] <eroomde> 1) i'dask people here with regular launch sites
[19:18] <eroomde> see if you can use one
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[19:19] <RealBorg> 1) call CAA and explain your situation
[19:19] <happil> I am going to call them as soon as they are open
[19:19] <eroomde> 2) actually enumerate the consequences of delaying a month (or whatever) and see if you'll survive them
[19:20] <happil> I am unable to delay a month as I'm 15 and I have A levels etc. And so does my friend and associates doing filming
[19:21] <eroomde> heh it only gets harder after a-levels ;)
[19:21] <happil> You don't say :(
[19:23] <eroomde> happil: where are you based near london?
[19:23] <eroomde> is cambridge an option?
[19:23] <eroomde> you could ask the cusf guys if you can launch from churchill college
[19:25] <happil> Cambridge isn't an option sorry
[19:25] <happil> The guy doing filming is based in south gloucestershire
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[19:25] <Laurenceb__> hi folks
[19:25] <eroomde> write an email to the list if you can't get a last-min notam
[19:25] <eroomde> say where you're prepared to go
[19:25] <eroomde> see if anyone can offer you a site in the next 2 weeks
[19:26] <happil> Do these sites have rolling permissions?
[19:26] <eroomde> flights sometimes go from worcestershire
[19:26] <eroomde> some do
[19:26] <mattbrejza> sounds like dave country
[19:27] <eroomde> yes
[19:27] <eroomde> but i'll let him volunteer
[19:27] <eroomde> rather than drop him in it :)
[19:29] <mattbrejza> indeed, probably best to email since i think its now pub oclock
[19:30] <eroomde> yea - happil there's the conference this weekend
[19:30] <eroomde> we're all in london
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[19:30] <Happil_> Sorry dced
[19:30] <eroomde> well, will be
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[19:30] <eroomde> we're in london this weekend but email the list
[19:30] <eroomde> with your predicament
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[19:31] <Happil_> OK, how do I email the list?
[19:31] <eroomde> ukhas@googlegroups.com
[19:31] <Happil_> OK thank you for your assistance
[19:31] <mattbrejza> sure you cant launch early as per your notam?
[19:31] <eroomde> moderated so it won't come through straight away
[19:32] <mattbrejza> im fairly sure its light at like 5 or so..?
[19:32] <Happil_> If push comes to shove I will be forced to
[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK3SB-10 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-10
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[19:32] <Happil_> But I will do everything I can to turn it around because there are people who wanted to come
[19:33] <mattbrejza> people will have to get out of bed earlier ;)
[19:33] <Happil_> Considering the camera guy lives an hour and a half away and needs to setup
[19:33] <Happil_> And I live 2 hours away and need to setup
[19:33] <Happil_> I would have to go to a cheap overnight hotel or something
[19:33] <Happil_> like a premier inn
[19:34] <mattbrejza> yes, it would be a case of starting your 'day' at 1am
[19:34] <Happil_> yep exactly
[19:35] <eroomde> practice before
[19:35] <eroomde> fitting the regulators to the bottles and so on
[19:35] <eroomde> getting a lock out in the field
[19:35] <eroomde> you want to be slick if you're doing this early and in the dark
[19:35] <mattbrejza> especially if you have a 2hr window
[19:35] <mattbrejza> *1hr
[19:35] <Happil_> No regulator :) air products cylinder
[19:36] <eroomde> with a regulator?
[19:36] <Happil_> Yes
[19:36] <eroomde> fine
[19:38] <Happil_> Calling the notam office
[19:38] <Happil_> *polite voice on*
[19:38] <eroomde> won't work right now i don't think
[19:41] <Happil_> Guy who deals with it is in Monday morning
[19:42] <Happil_> NOTAM man can't help although he agrees it's way too early
[19:46] <Happil_> Thanks for your help
[19:48] <Happil_> Time to turn this around
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[20:20] <Happil> Could I ask - does posting to the UKHAS group equate to emailing the group?
[20:20] <Happil> I just found another problem - the farm where we are launching doesnt open till 10am :(
[20:21] <eroomde> yes
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> farm doesnt open until 10am
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> wut
[20:22] <Happil> ikr
[20:22] <Laurenceb__> that makes no sense
[20:23] <Happil> I think "farm" is just their name
[20:23] <Happil> It's more a wildlife park
[20:23] <Happil> But they portray it as a farm like place
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> oh
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> if you had said 4:30am ...
[20:23] <Happil> Like a petting farm with a playground and fields
[20:23] <Happil> But they have cornfields so I am pretty sure they farm too
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> lol petting farm
[20:24] <Happil> It's actually a "wildlife and animal park"
[20:24] <Happil> Which has a barn and stuff
[20:25] <Happil> They let us use their field... I don't ask questions where the animals come from.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> Happil: When a mommy animal loves a daddy animal very very much...
[20:25] <Happil> lol
[20:25] <Happil> Nono
[20:25] <Happil> Apparently they have rare and exotic animals
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[20:26] <Happil_> They have electric quad biking too!
[20:27] <Happil_> Pity that the CAA wants us to get there 5 hours before they open
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[20:29] <Happil__> I wonder how well the CAA pays
[20:29] <Happil__> Perhaps when I am older I can become their balloon guy and make things easier for you guys
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[20:31] <Happil__> Forget 28 days, you guys can give me 1 day notice
[20:31] <Happil__> Who cares about planes? I'd give you guys priority over flights lol
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[20:34] <RealBorg> i'd push ads-b for hab - so planes and balloons can happily co-exist
[20:34] Nick change: lilafisc1 -> lilafisch
[20:34] <Happil__> ok
[20:35] <Happil__> Let's just have planes swerve round our balloons
[20:35] <Happil__> That would make for some amazing footage
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> In principle, the transmitter is not too hard.
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> May cause 'issues' to try though
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[20:40] <Laurenceb__> ads-b
[20:40] <Laurenceb__> what could possibly go wrong
[20:40] <mattbrejza> (TM)
[20:41] <Laurenceb__> arduadsb
[20:41] <Laurenceb__> also known as ardumh370
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[21:01] <arko> lol
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> TCAS also is security-free
[21:07] <arko> will the conference recordings be available on youtube after con?
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[21:10] <craag> arko: Yes they should be.
[21:10] <mattbrejza> seeing as steves test footage is up
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[21:37] <daveake> back
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[21:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK
[21:57] <fsphil> ah Bill is up to stuff
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[23:05] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: Pretty much completed #ukhasnet demo for #ukhas conference 2015 which starts in under 10 hours - might need some last minute code...
[23:07] <lz1dev> last minute code"
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[23:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WRIZ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WRIZ
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