highaltitude.log.20150820

[00:02] <clsbasic> yep, lots of nothing going on here
[00:02] <clsbasic> you guys must all be in a part of the world where people sleep this hour
[00:04] <nick_> It is an EU centric channel
[00:21] <DL7AD> hehe
[00:21] <DL7AD> almost *fingers crossed*
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[01:09] <SpeedEvil> Some of us are EU with broken sleep
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[04:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03high_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=high_chase
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[05:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BV2DQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BV2DQ-11
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[05:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UKHAS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UKHAS
[06:02] <Upui> KT5TK1 you trying to write on the map ? :)
[06:02] <Upui> lol
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[06:06] <lz1dev> its almost as if there is something happening around that locatin
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[06:19] <Upu> someone has too much time on their hands :)
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[06:50] <Upu> can you make the UKHAS balloon a pencil lz1dev ?
[06:52] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4elxb8fv3p0msha/final.png?dl=0
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[07:06] <fsphil> hah
[07:07] <fsphil> I bet OZ1SKY could receive that
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[07:27] <DL7AD> morning
[07:27] <Vaizki> morning.. can you trach UKHAS already? ;)
[07:28] <mfa298> surely that balloon should be a low floater at 2015m
[07:28] <Vaizki> too hard to get a notam for that I guess
[07:33] <Vaizki> the landing predictor is having a hard time too
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[07:35] <EwanP> It's not too hard to predict the landing point..... just follow the arrow
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[07:41] <fsphil> drawing a 5?
[07:44] <Upu> yeah lol
[07:44] <fsphil> he's really gone to town on this
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[08:43] <DL1SGP> !dial UKHAS
[08:43] <SpacenearUS> 03DL1SGP: There are no flights currently :(
[08:43] <DL1SGP> joke :P
[08:46] <fsphil> !whereis UKHAS
[08:46] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: 03UKHAS is over 03North Sea 10(55.0227,2.8678) at 0336520 meters
[08:46] <fsphil> typical
[08:46] <DL1SGP> morning fsphil, good to read you
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[08:57] <fsphil> morn
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[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-A2 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-A2
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[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-A1 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-A1
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[10:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-S1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-S1
[10:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-S2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-S2
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-N2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-N2
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-N1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-N1
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[10:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C1
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[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C2
[11:10] <tweetBot> @daveake: I think I'm in danger of actually getting organised. I'd better go and sit down now ... #UKHAS http://t.co/xBOCzigwxh
[11:14] <fsphil> who are you and what have you done with daveake
[11:14] <daveake> He got run over by a truck
[11:15] <daveake> currently buried in mud
[11:15] <fsphil> very slowly?
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[14:22] <DL7AD> good afternoon
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[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA2EIH-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA2EIH-11
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[15:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVRT5-APRS-Tracker-VHF-with-GPS-Bluetooth-Thermometer-TF-Card-Support-APRSdroid-/111692509218?hash=item1a01647022
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> (I have no opinion over the above)
[16:02] <adamgreig> "TF card slot" lol
[16:03] <mattbrejza> im sure that gps antenna works great in a metal box
[16:16] <daveake> ha
[16:17] <daveake> Maybe the LED in front of it will be sufficiently RF transparent :/
[16:18] <daveake> Actually 2 LEDs, one of which is the GPS status
[16:18] <daveake> "Flashing indicates that no location."
[16:19] <daveake> So it's a flashing LED wired direct to power then
[16:20] <craag> :)
[16:21] <mattbrejza> the pics dont even appear to have the antenna populated
[16:23] <craag> yeah, guessing it's a pcb edge mount patch that goes in the void there
[16:24] <craag> but no obvious footprint
[16:25] <mattbrejza> there seems to be a footprint for a small ceramic one, and the silk looks like 'GPS_ANT'
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[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[16:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9QBK-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9QBK-6
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[16:56] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: Would you like to build your own satellite? Would you like to do that in a single weekend...and fly it too? #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas ..
[16:58] <lz1dev> ^lol
[16:58] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: NanoSat Weekend takes place Sep 26-27. Info on this free event at http://t.co/x0u9YJwbhq #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #pocketqube
[17:08] <OZ7EMA> hi can someone approve flight document 570606713f5d9e8464fb30bd1ae0c77a
[17:09] <SA6BSS> paste that in habhub channel
[17:11] <OZ7EMA> Hej SA6BSS
[17:11] <SA6BSS> hallå
[17:11] <OZ7EMA> do you have time tracking tomorrow?
[17:11] <SA6BSS> I´m at work but can set up remote from work
[17:12] <SA6BSS> when are u launching?
[17:12] <OZ7EMA> tomorrow
[17:12] <SA6BSS> time?
[17:12] <OZ7EMA> 13.00 CEST
[17:12] <OZ7EMA> sorry was to slow typing ;)
[17:12] <SA6BSS> up and down?
[17:12] <GapSpark> oz7ema have you filed a flight path?
[17:13] <OZ7EMA> i guess not
[17:13] <OZ7EMA> SA6BSS would be cool, if you can manage!
[17:15] <SA6BSS> of course, i´m starwinf for some tracking :)
[17:15] <OZ7EMA> thank you!
[17:16] <OZ7EMA> now will figure out how to set up DL-fldigi.. i planed to track only using fldigi
[17:22] <OZ7EMA> GapSpark, i guess not i made the document and everything but not a flight path
[17:23] <OZ7EMA> as i was told by SA6BSS i will have to feed at least once ti habhub before it can be approved
[17:24] <GapSpark> OZ7EMA what happens if it takes down a commertial airliner?
[17:25] <OZ7EMA> i have a permit and also air traffic control is informed
[17:25] <OZ7EMA> sorry i thought you question was related to the habhub
[17:26] <GapSpark> JAIL
[17:26] <GapSpark> thats what happens
[17:26] <OZ7EMA> GapSpark what is your point?
[17:27] <GapSpark> just educating the ignorant
[17:28] <OZ7EMA> GapSpark. yes is see that: But what more should i do than inform air traffic control and i also ask for a permit (need in Denmark) beforehand.
[17:28] <OZ7EMA> GapSpark the air traffic control got clear details about the possible flight path
[17:29] <GapSpark> just saying
[17:29] <OZ7EMA> GapSpark as you seem quite experienced, is there anything more i can do?
[17:29] <GapSpark> if you spill 300 people out of a jet, no one is going to be happy with you
[17:30] <OZ7EMA> i agree, but therefor the airtraffic controll i guess will set out a waring for that area? otherwise what are they for?
[17:30] <fsphil> overreacting much GapSpark?
[17:31] <GapSpark> ATC struggles to keep normal traffic that has proper transponders from bumping into eachother
[17:31] <OZ7EMA> apart from that... looking at the Aitalia flight yesterday.. i guess my balloon will not even leave a mark on the plan
[17:31] <mattbrejza> tahts why we put a big flashing light on our HABs so planes can see it and avoid
[17:32] <eroomde> GapSpark: is your objection specific to something required for danish flights?
[17:32] <GapSpark> pilots dont look out the windows of jets
[17:33] <GapSpark> they are on their first G&T reading penthouse and snorting coke
[17:33] <GapSpark> autopilot is on
[17:33] <mattbrejza> there is also a loud siren in case of that
[17:33] <OZ7EMA> as sayed i am not afraied of a jets
[17:33] <OZ7EMA> enjoy your evening GapSpark
[17:34] <GapSpark> no passangers should be affraid of you
[17:34] <fsphil> *sigh*
[17:34] <SA6BSS> well tell them that there is about 1000 wether ballons released every day to keep an eye out for as well!
[17:35] <fsphil> I imagine the various aviation authorities that allow these balloon flights know what they're doing
[17:35] <OZ7EMA> http://www.corriere.it/cronache/15_agosto_19/aereo-alitalia-colpito-un-fulmine-costretto-ad-atterraggio-d-emergenza-e317cc02-4659-11e5-979c-557f4d93ec30.shtml
[17:35] Action: fsphil is flying tomorrow ... NOBODY LAUNCH ANYTHING
[17:36] <GapSpark> its only a matter of time
[17:36] <GapSpark> before some clown downs a flight
[17:36] <OZ7EMA> for those telling you can tear down a jet with a meteorological balloon
[17:36] <eroomde> anything with a non-zero probability is only a matter of time
[17:36] <eroomde> that's how we define it
[17:36] <OZ7EMA> fsphil i will launch mine
[17:36] <eroomde> so, regardless, we practice safe flying and always get permission with the aviation authorities before flying
[17:36] <OZ7EMA> or at least i paln
[17:36] <eroomde> that's enough for us
[17:37] <OZ7EMA> i agree wiht eroomde
[17:37] <GapSpark> eroomde, might be enough for you, but I doubt it will be enough for a jury of your peers
[17:38] <OZ7EMA> GapSpark have you checked the link i posted?
[17:38] <eroomde> who are instructure to adjudicate within the law, which is pretty clear on this one
[17:38] <GapSpark> its like going up onto a motorway bridge and dropping bricks onto the carriageway below, eventually you'll successed and the result will be death
[17:39] <OZ7EMA> i give up guys! GapSpark the world is a place where many live and do.. some more some less
[17:40] <GapSpark> eroomde, wreckless endangerment to man slaughter would be the law that covers this
[17:40] <russss> I think wreckless just about covers it
[17:40] <GapSpark> how about some culpible homicide?
[17:40] <eroomde> GapSpark: you're confused and boring. i'll give you a chance to calm down and stop ranting
[17:40] <eroomde> but only one
[17:40] <eroomde> if you carry on i'll just ban you from the channel
[17:40] <GapSpark> eroomde, don't like hearing the truth
[17:40] <GapSpark> ?
[17:41] <mattbrejza> lol
[17:42] <mattbrejza> yawn
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[17:53] <ibanezmatt13> evening all, just a quick one. Why is it that we don't use the internal oscillator on the 328 for HAB and instead shove an external one on there?
[17:54] <ibanezmatt13> Is it because it isn't reliable in cold temps or something?
[17:54] <eroomde> yes
[17:54] <ibanezmatt13> ok, just checking ta
[17:54] <adamgreig> it's also generally a Bit Worse so will be bad at timing for rtty bits and UART to the GPS bits
[17:54] <eroomde> those RC oscillators have much larger temperature coefficients than crystals
[17:54] <eroomde> which is bad for things which need accurate timing like uart
[17:54] <ibanezmatt13> ah ok yeah
[17:54] <eroomde> that said they have been used before regardless
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[17:54] <mattbrejza> btw, some micros these days have much better internal oscillators that they dont need external ones for dealing with hab temperatures
[17:55] <adamgreig> however these days they're very good
[17:55] <adamgreig> yea
[17:55] <adamgreig> the stm32s, the si chips, many not-AVR and not-PICs
[17:55] <adamgreig> internal oscillators that will put a cheap crystal to shame
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[17:55] <adamgreig> often temp calibrated or compensated too
[17:55] <adamgreig> surprisingly nice
[17:55] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see, I'll eventually make it up to arm once I've cracked the baremetal avr stuff
[17:56] <mattbrejza> persumably the RC oscillators have temperature sensitive parts which cancel out changes in the RC bit
[17:56] Action: mattbrejza looks for appnotes
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[18:20] <infaddict> evening all
[18:20] <Upu> evening
[18:20] <Upu> you're coming on Sat aren't you ?
[18:20] <daveake> evening
[18:20] <OZ7EMA> evening
[18:21] <infaddict> I am indeed Upu. Arriving tomorrow evening actually.
[18:21] <Upu> super
[18:21] <Upu> will be good to meet you
[18:22] <infaddict> And just realising how little prep I've done for the exam haha
[18:22] <infaddict> yep ditto, be great to put faces to names
[18:22] <Joekul> I there! I won't make it this year. But you might not need an amateur French translator either this year :)
[18:22] <Upu> haha
[18:22] <Upu> well
[18:22] <Upu> Alain is coming again :)
[18:22] <Upu> so could you pop over ? :)
[18:23] <infaddict> if anybody is meeting up tomorrow night for a few beers or anything else, let me know. Will ping Upu my mobile.
[18:23] <Joekul> I could fine no customer needing a business trip of mine this week :(
[18:23] <eroomde> save some space for saturday night beers
[18:23] <infaddict> ;-)
[18:24] <Upu> indeed infaddict we'll having food and beer tommorrow night
[18:24] <Upu> send me your mobile
[18:24] <Upu> ok afk
[18:24] <infaddict> done
[18:27] <Joekul> Will you live or offline stream any of the sessions?
[18:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UKHAS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UKHAS
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[18:42] <SA6BSS> OZ7EMA: any luck getting your payload on the map?
[18:42] <OZ7EMA> just had lunch, will give a try now!
[18:42] <OZ7EMA> sorry for letting you wait
[18:43] <SA6BSS> hehe, no problem :)
[18:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-9
[18:44] <SA6BSS> better set up here as weel, put the yagi to sw fed to rtl stick and omni to my ts2000, have to get the remote going on the ts2000
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[18:51] <OZ7EMA> one question SA6BSS, if i am not able can you still track the flight?
[18:55] <SA6BSS> sure, but I´m working sp
[18:55] <SA6BSS> so I cant monitor 100%
[18:55] <SA6BSS> '
[18:55] <SA6BSS> but sm0ulc is home tomorrow and will track
[18:56] <OZ7EMA> np about that! SA6BSS would just be cool have some tracking done from others in the Flight Data Report
[18:58] <OZ7EMA> thanks to sm0ulc :)
[18:59] <SA6BSS> nice post on ukha google group, u will probably have som Dutch tracker listening in
[19:00] <OZ7EMA> thank you!
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[19:26] <Upu> Joekul should be
[19:26] <Upu> Steve is doing it I believe
[19:26] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
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[19:36] <fsphil> should be on youtube in HD
[19:36] <fsphil> which will be nice
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[19:42] <michal_f> good evening
[19:42] <michal_f> I bought an aluminium rod to make a yagi, but it turned out it's covered with some kind of nonconducting paint layer
[19:43] <michal_f> do I need to remove it ?
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[19:44] <SpeedEvil> That is likely aluminium oxide
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> which bit of the antenna is it to make?
[19:44] <michal_f> every bit
[19:45] <michal_f> maybe it's just enpugh to remove it on dipole ends ?
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Only on the bits you actually need to make electrical contact
[19:45] <michal_f> great :)
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[20:11] <gonzo_nb> ir it's anodised
[20:11] <gonzo_nb> or
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> ariane live
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> http://arianespace.tv/
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> countdown hold
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[20:20] <RealBorg> "this plugin is not supported"
[20:21] <RealBorg> hopefully they don't fly their rockets based on adobe flash
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[20:26] <RealBorg> haha! they are even using internet information server
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[20:28] <fsphil> I removed flash again recently
[20:28] <fsphil> annoyingly the bbc haven't moved on from it yet
[20:30] <RealBorg> it's not just a player, it's a kit with a trojan horse and a denial of service attack in a box
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> With flash, every day is a zeroday!
[20:31] <RealBorg> we should apply with the marketing department >:-)
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[20:33] <RealBorg> hopefully they use neither one on the rocket
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> Unexpected flashes are bad
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> A minute
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> there we go
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> I wonder how many different explosions the simulation has
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[21:02] <Laurenceb__> hi all
[21:02] <Laurenceb__> anyone know what the PD arrangements are for the conference?
[21:02] <Laurenceb__> will the projector PC have internet access?
[21:03] <mattbrejza> danielsaul: ^
[21:04] <mattbrejza> well we're streaming one of the talks so id assume so :P
[21:06] <Laurenceb__> ok
[21:06] <Laurenceb__> just wondered if its a dedicated standalone machine
[21:07] <mattbrejza> probably standard lecture room affair
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[21:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-49 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-49
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[21:18] <Laurenceb__> Derby to London in 1:28
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> thats insane
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> faster than from Southampton
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[21:21] <Laurenceb__> I don't get why London commuter belt is restricted to the south east
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[21:23] <mattbrejza> so wheres HS2 going?
[21:24] <mattbrejza> if you can already get out of the north that fast
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[21:24] <mattbrejza> soton -> waterloo is 1.15 btw but point taken
[21:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Plenty commute in from East Anglia, also the northern suburbs.
[21:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mainline trains tend to have less stops and only a 2-3 from each remote location per hour
[21:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> at most!
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[21:50] <Ian_> Conference Friday evening, is anyone staying at the Ibis and where is the favoured watering hole/eating place?
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[22:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL4MDW-12-LOG - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW-12-LOG
[22:05] <GapSpark> Ian_, hamsexy is sending a photographer and a reporter
[22:05] <GapSpark> Ian_, to document the balloon whackers
[22:06] <danielsaul> Laurenceb__: Yup, will have internet
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> cool, just wanted to show a couple of youtube clips
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> cats obviously
[22:13] <Ian_> ping upu
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[23:35] <Interoth> Does anyone have any tips for filling out the CAA application?
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[23:42] <Interoth> What is the best way to get the map they request?
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[23:47] <Ian_> I believe that you might be able to use Bing, but that is just a hazy recollection
[23:48] <Interoth> That was I was looking at, but I am not sure what the scale is or what the grid references are
[23:48] <GapSpark> hello friends!
[23:49] <Ian_> Not sure where you are Interoth - I probably read it some time ago, but have forgotten the detail. Most sane people in the UK and Europe are sound asleep by now - there are obviously exceptions!
[23:49] <Interoth> I'm in the UK, I get most work done at night it seems
[23:50] <Ian_> Ok, ditto on both counts.
[23:51] <Ian_> You might be pushed to get people tomorrow and definitely Saturday as the most notable members will be in eyeball range
[23:51] <Ian_> of each other
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