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[06:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[06:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABNL-04 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABNL-04
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[07:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[08:06] <LunarWork> hello
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[09:53] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: 5 days to go until #UKHAS Conference 2015 in London. Have you got your ticket yet? https://t.co/Lmo8gSCgr6
[09:55] <fsphil> woo
[09:56] <daveake> many HAB days in a row for me ... UKHAS then up to Cambridge for this Skycademy
[09:56] <daveake> Which apparently is going to be like this :) https://twitter.com/rdhayler/status/633172766548717568
[09:56] <daveake> love that
[09:56] <craag> lol
[09:57] <craag> could you colour the balloon without damaging it?
[09:57] <daveake> water-based possibly
[09:58] <craag> :)
[09:58] <LunarWork> hello craag
[09:58] <craag> so you're doing that on sunday daveake ?
[09:58] <craag> morning LunarWork
[09:59] <daveake> Mon-Wed
[09:59] <daveake> Sunday is just a travel day
[09:59] <craag> ah
[09:59] <daveake> After bacon ofc
[09:59] <craag> :)
[09:59] <daveake> Currently planning to drive into London rather than park outside and tube
[10:00] <daveake> Hotel is *just* outside the congestion zone as are some nearby car parks
[10:00] <craag> Hmm parking
[10:00] <daveake> £35
[10:00] <daveake> which is probably worth it over the hassle of a tube in and out
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[10:01] <craag> ah, yep I'll stump up that
[10:01] <daveake> also tube*2 + parking at Hounslow is probably not that much less
[10:01] <daveake> Euston Station car park seems best bet
[10:01] <daveake> Just don't go south of Euston :)
[10:02] <daveake> Most but not all car parks do a week non-extortionate rate
[10:03] <daveake> weekend
[10:04] <craag> euston station is 8 quid per day sat/sun
[10:04] <fsphil> my train stops as st.pancras. I'll google the rest of the way
[10:04] <fsphil> don't think its very far
[10:04] <daveake> 0.3 miles to hotel from there
[10:05] <fsphil> taxi then :)
[10:05] <daveake> lol
[10:05] <daveake> no wonder you rarely chase habs :)
[10:06] <daveake> 0.3 miles without cows, ditches, gates, crops ... luzury
[10:06] <daveake> +x-z
[10:06] <mattbrejza> no congestion charge on sat?
[10:07] <daveake> nope
[10:07] <daveake> stops 6pm fri
[10:07] <daveake> but the zone ends at Euston Road. So just don't go south of it
[10:07] <craag> ah..
[10:08] Action: fsphil spots "Ed's Easy Diner" near St.Pancras
[10:08] <daveake> now that would be worth going to
[10:08] <danielsaul> So good
[10:08] <danielsaul> Theres one by Euston stn
[10:09] <daveake> yup see it on the map now
[10:10] <fsphil> 25c in in london this weekend
[10:10] Action: fsphil packs suncream
[10:13] <daveake> "Nearly World Famous" ... https://goo.gl/maps/bE4Co
[10:14] <daveake> "Now Serving Breakfast" ...
[10:14] <daveake> ... there'd better be bacon
[10:14] <fsphil> "YOU'LL ALWAYS RETURN" .. kinda worrying
[10:15] <fsphil> there's a Twilight Zone story in there somewhere
[10:15] <daveake> I wonder if they have that sign at subway
[10:15] <daveake> gosubway
[10:15] <fsphil> return without gosub(way)
[10:17] <fsphil> wonder if the sign at microsoft HQ says "10 GOTO RECEPTION"
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[11:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5KAV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5KAV-11
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[12:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKYCADEMY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKYCADEMY
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[12:31] <whiteg6> I have !flights as a command can anyone one point me in the right direction for any others.Ta
[12:32] <craag> !wiki spacenearus bot
[12:32] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: No results for your query
[12:32] <craag> !wiki bot
[12:32] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[12:32] <whiteg6> Many thanks
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[12:44] <michal_f> !whereis ARY1T
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: I haven't got a clue
[12:44] <michal_f> hmm
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[13:37] <Vaizki> .. I need zeusbot help, not just anybody..
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[13:39] <jonsowman> !whereis ARY1T
[13:39] <SpacenearUS> 03jonsowman: I haven't got a clue
[13:39] <jonsowman> great
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[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WMSI_HAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WMSI_HAB
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[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:29] <fsphil> please state the nature of the medical emergency
[15:35] <Lunar_Lander> won't be able to attend conference I am afraid
[15:36] <craag> :(
[15:36] <craag> emf+ukhas next year then!
[15:37] <mattbrejza> ukhas conference in emf? :P
[15:38] <craag> hmm not a bad idea - if the organisers fancy a year off
[15:39] <mattbrejza> it probably wont go down well with everyone though
[15:39] <craag> might not appeal to some of the more sophisticated though
[15:40] <mattbrejza> people in ukhas are sophisticated?
[15:42] <craag> I have yet to meet any.... but I believe they exist.
[15:42] Action: craag is very gullible
[15:42] Action: daveake adds craag to audiophile sales list
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> sorry :(
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> radiometer done https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDT0FKMXM1cjBLekU/view?usp=sharing
[15:47] <eroomde> hope nothing too bad Lunar_Lander
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> no, don't worry
[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> bureaucratic stress and stuff like that
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[16:04] <fsphil> it's a long way to go. we'll get you over some year
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:05] <mattbrejza> anyone able to get hold of a telepresence machine?
[16:06] <fsphil> haha
[16:06] <fsphil> that would be fun
[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[16:10] <mattbrejza> i wonder if we'll beat 2013's 64 attendees
[16:11] <daveake> Do they deserve a beating?
[16:21] <Upu> its getting close
[16:25] <mattbrejza> did anyone come to a conclusion for the pub afterwards?
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[16:44] <adamgreig> Laurenceb_, lol I have the mtx2 donig psk but it's well janky
[16:44] <adamgreig> quite amusing though
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[16:48] <Laurenceb_> ah nice
[16:49] <Laurenceb_> Leo got very nice results, but he used a silabs
[16:52] <adamgreig> the mtx2 is technically a silabs also
[16:52] <adamgreig> but my control over what it does is a lot more limited
[16:52] <adamgreig> if you used the packet mode i think you could do a loooot better
[16:53] <adamgreig> this is more like, my stm32 drives a pin that pulls the crystal, through a 10khz filter, so it's not... great...
[16:54] <Laurenceb_> Leo used packet mode
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[16:54] <Laurenceb_> then generated data to do PSK-31 or whatever
[16:54] <adamgreig> yea
[16:54] <adamgreig> so in packet mode you can do much better, set the bit rate and the deviation just right
[16:55] <adamgreig> alas can't access packet mode on the mtx2 i have here
[16:55] <adamgreig> could probably do it on the si44xx i've got on the shrews tho
[16:55] <Laurenceb_> time to hack it :P
[16:55] <adamgreig> not worth it really
[16:55] <adamgreig> well
[16:55] <adamgreig> not for this
[16:55] <adamgreig> still torn between FSK, AFSK and APSK though
[16:55] <adamgreig> the APSK is probably more annoying to decode but simulations suggest it's a little better
[16:55] <adamgreig> to be honest probably AFSK is best
[16:56] <adamgreig> just use the same shitty ass 1200/2400 tones that aprs uses
[16:56] <adamgreig> maybe double the baud rate, then call it a day
[16:57] <adamgreig> not as fun though
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> I guess whatevers simplest and good enough
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> this is very useful
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> http://www.loctite.ph/php/content_data/LT2662_Loctite_Design_Guide_Bonding_Rubber_Thermoplastic_Elastomers.pdf
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> turns out Loctite 401 is lik ethe best glue ever
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> which I knew already of course :P but didnt realise it would even glue silicone
[17:04] <adamgreig> https://agg.io/u/mtx2psk.png
[17:04] <adamgreig> it's almost bpsk
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> nice
[17:06] <Laurenceb_> right hometime
[17:06] <Laurenceb_> cya
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[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> box 2 http://s.gullipics.com/image/c/0/7/5yv673-lwp4u3-y1gl/P20150817144213.jpeg
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[18:52] <[1]michal_f> ok, a novice's questions: is there a difference between AM USB modulation and FM USB? Or maybe there's 'just' SSB ?
[18:53] <[1]michal_f> The thing is that I bought old handheld radio and it seems to do SSB for AM only
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[19:00] <mikestir> michal_f: there's no such thing as fm ssb
[19:00] <mikestir> fm has no sidebands
[19:00] <mikestir> or at least not in the same way that am does
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[19:03] <fsphil> AM = both LSB and USB signals, plus a carrier in between
[19:09] <michal_f> ok, thx
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[19:28] <Vaizki> michal_f: and just in case you wonder why SSB, it allows the full power of the transmitter to be spent on one sideband. with AM you have another sideband + carrier to blow watts on
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[19:29] <fsphil> AM is much simpler for both transmitter and receiver though
[19:31] <michal_f> thanks guys
[19:31] <michal_f> in the end I was able to receive my tracker with this radio
[19:32] <michal_f> I need a cable to plug it into my phone now :)
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[19:50] <mikestir> fsphil: fm transmitters are simpler than am imho
[19:50] <mikestir> certainly if we're talking linear AM and not just CW
[19:54] <fsphil> not just a case of varying the power into an osc.?
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[20:09] <mattbrejza> you could do an AM amp with a class E amp which is driven from a linear powersupply, which is modulated to give the AM?
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[21:42] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: #UKHAS Conference in London this Saturday, August 22 #amsat #hamradio #hamr http://t.co/bp0I6XDD69
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[22:45] <mbales> paging Upu if youre around
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[23:08] <mfa298> mbales_: I suspect he may be sleeping like the sensible UK people. You can always try asking the question if it's something fairly generic and someone else may know the answer
[23:09] <mbales_> ah, always forget about that part
[23:09] <mbales_> i have a question about getting the ublox max-m8q into flight mode
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[23:12] <mbales_> ive got a board i built running arduino and i borrowed upus code to get it in flight mode but on the latest flight it didnt report about 66l feet
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[23:12] <mfa298> I believe it might be similar to the max6 and max7 but it's not somethign I've done
[23:13] <mbales_> it supposed to be pin and software compatible largely
[23:14] <adamgreig> mbales_: if you can connect the u-blox to u-center you can check on your computer, which is ideal
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[23:14] <adamgreig> does your arduino code query the u-blox to check its flight mode?
[23:14] <adamgreig> it is the same as on the 7 family (but not the 6)
[23:15] <mfa298> if that's 66k feet (20km) I think that was working in flight mode. I think the other modes stop at 12km (40k feet)
[23:15] <mbales_> ah ok, then maybe we have another problem
[23:15] <adamgreig> thought it was 18km
[23:15] <adamgreig> could be wrong
[23:15] <adamgreig> no, it is 12
[23:16] <mbales_> very odd, the rest of the hardware was happily reporting away but the GPS stopped at 66,426 feet
[23:16] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 66,426 ft = 20.2 km
[23:16] <mbales_> and if there was a power dip the mcu should have stopped reporting entirely
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[23:21] <adamgreig> could it have been a loose connection?
[23:21] <mbales_> here are the raw logs from APRS.fi of the flight: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KI6VBK-11
[23:22] <mbales_> seems unlikely, should have reported garbage if it wasnt connected. ill be able to verify that tomorrow, let it get a fix and transmit then disconnect the gps and see what it does
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[23:39] <SpeedEvil> http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/80591/1439468457/satellite.jpg
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