highaltitude.log.20150802

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[05:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LZ100AJ after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LZ100AJ
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[05:54] <thasti> .track DL4MDW-11,DK3SB-9
[05:54] <SpacenearUS> 03thasti: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW-11;DK3SB-9
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[06:25] <Elwell> Q - what's the spacenearUS bot written in? (looking for some sort of general purpose thing for $dayjob)
[06:27] <Elwell> ooooh. didn't spot it has a /sats/ tracker :-)
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[07:24] <Greg_> psys-12 ???
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[07:28] <craag> Mornin all!
[07:28] <PE2G> Greg_: Nothing from PYSY around .625 here yet
[07:28] Nick change: craag -> craag_SUSF
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[07:36] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SUSF L7 ChrisHAB 10(e7f4), 03PYSY-12 10(9ea2)
[07:36] <PE2BZ> !payload pysy-12
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[07:36] <PE2BZ> !payload 9ea2
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03PYSYrfm 10(9ea2) 03$$PYSY - 03434.625 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[07:38] <PE2G> Morning PE2BZ. Didnt hear PYSY yet
[07:39] <PE2BZ> Good morning Frits. It´s on the map at 481m asl and not moving yet.
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[07:40] <PE2BZ> but it´s time to clean up the desk so I leave the radio on and watch the waterfall every now and then ;-)
[07:40] <PE2G> PE2BZ: Happy cleaning ;)
[07:50] <PE2BZ> PE2G Thanks. What to keep, what to throw away.... Decisions , decisions...
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[07:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PYSY after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSY
[07:59] <DL1SGP> goeden morgen PE2BZ PE2G, good morning all
[07:59] <DL1SGP> and welcome back PYSY
[08:00] <PE2G> Guten Morgen DL1SGP. Danke für die Nachricht
[08:02] <DL1SGP> I have lost track a bit, what is required for that LoRa stuff :P ???
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[08:05] <DL1SGP> moin superkuh_
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[08:10] <SA6BSS> DL1SGP: just google LoRa Gateway
[08:11] <DL1SGP> tak, SA6BSS
[08:12] <superkuh_> Hello. Power outage.
[08:12] Nick change: superkuh_ -> superkuh
[08:13] <DL1SGP> welcome back superkuh
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[08:28] <PE2G> PYSY is up
[08:30] <DL1SGP> yeap PE2G
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[08:31] <grewg> pysy 12
[08:31] <DL1SGP> hi grewg
[08:34] <grewg> höre psys 12 noch nicht
[08:34] <grewg> Pysy-12
[08:37] <DL1SGP> grewg wo bist du denn :)
[08:38] <grewg> ruhrgebiet
[08:38] <DL1SGP> ja dann dauert das noch etwas, ist noch zu niedrig dafür :)
[08:39] <DL1SGP> wirst aber sicher noch deine chance bekommen
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[08:40] <DL1SGP> bist du neu dabei grewg?
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[09:00] <PE2G> !dial 9ea2
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PYSYrfm 10(9ea2): none
[09:02] <DL1SGP> :)
[09:05] <PE2BZ> 1.5 m/s ? Das dauert nog etwas....
[09:05] <grewg> first 5000 meters
[09:06] <DL1SGP> heh ja PE2BZ
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[09:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sukir_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sukir_chase
[09:06] <PE2BZ> Versuch es mit einers stunde nogmals...
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[09:07] <Gregor_> hhallo
[09:08] <DL1SGP> hallo Gregor_
[09:08] <Gregor_> bin neu hier. dl-fldigi ist online on 434.625 usb
[09:08] <DL1SGP> super Gregor_ willkommen :)
[09:10] Action: craag_SUSF at launch site
[09:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice day for a launch!
[09:11] <DL1SGP> I second that
[09:11] Action: craag_SUSF waiting for payload + helium to arrive...
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[09:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Listening for PYSY (rather hopefully!) at present
[09:13] Action: mfa298 should probably find the station and see how soon he can hear the payload
[09:13] <PE2G> I hope PYSY isn't exactly on .625. This QRM is on that freq here: http://wikisend.com/download/966798/rec-20150802-11:04:55.mp3
[09:18] <DL1SGP> Haarp it PE2G :)
[09:19] <PE2G> :)
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[09:34] <DL7AD> .hysplit DK3SB-9
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[09:34] <DL1SGP> moin Sven
[09:36] <craag_SUSF> No stream today - 3g is terrible
[09:36] <craag_SUSF> firing up payloads now
[09:39] <DL7AD> hi Felix
[09:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHRISHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHRISHAB
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[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUSF - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUSF
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[10:00] <craag_SUSF> Waiting for another person to arrive, esstimated launch: 1200
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[10:06] <PE2BZ> Hi, What would be the ¨easiest way¨ to receive / decode LoRa ? I notice the RFM98W, can be controlled by Pi or Arduino, but how is the feedback to the HAB launcher taken care of ?
[10:07] <mclane_> hi can someone adjust the landing prediction for PYSY? expected burst at 18 km
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[10:11] <PE2BZ> !dial 9ea2
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03PYSYrfm 10(9ea2): 03434.625 MHz
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[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> PE2BZ, See https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Boards available for RPi from Upu
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[10:17] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE Thanks ! That´s what I was looking for, including ¨easy¨ !
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[10:22] <craag_SUSF-web> Starting filling..
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[10:33] <DL1SGP> good luck craag_SUSF-web
[10:34] <DL1SGP> and best to lovely New Forest area, hope the "wild" horses took care of potential ninja goats :D
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[10:58] <SA6BSS> VE3KCL is back on wspr, traveled about half way over atlantic.
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[11:00] <RealBorg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rt9zX1rZFU
[11:01] <RealBorg> wow!
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[11:08] <PE2G> !dial 9ea2
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PYSYrfm 10(9ea2): 03434.625 MHz
[11:08] <DL1SGP> great minds think alike, I just had the same idea PE2G
[11:09] <PE2BZ> PE2G Any signal yet ?
[11:09] <PE2G> No. Alas, it really seems to be on .625
[11:09] <PE2G> QRM on that
[11:09] <mclane__> tune 2-3 kHz down, it is very drifty
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[11:10] <DL1SGP> danke uli
[11:10] <PE2BZ> PE2G bad QRM! Over here no QRM but no PYSY either.
[11:10] <PE2G> Tnx mclane__
[11:10] <mclane__> lora runs very well
[11:11] <PE2BZ> Also not on the logper in the right direction. So, the logper is turned to UK now, try to record some LoRa signals. Ordered the Rapsberry Pi expansion board for the LoRa gateway.
[11:12] <PE2BZ> PySy still monitoring on the Icom wiht V-2000 antenna but also no luck
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[11:13] <Neil_M0CJM> morning
[11:13] <Neil_M0CJM> or i should say afternoon
[11:14] <PE2BZ> Morning Neil
[11:14] <Upu> hey PE2BZ ta for order
[11:14] <Upu> will be about a week and a half
[11:14] <Upu> new boards due in
[11:14] <garymortimer> afternoon all
[11:14] <Upu> afternoon
[11:14] <PE2BZ> UPU thanks for offering such complete boards ;-)
[11:14] <Upu> nps
[11:14] <Neil_M0CJM> i presume Chrishab on 434.6 and not 443.6 as HABHUB says?
[11:14] <Upu> you will get the new one will LED's on it
[11:15] <DL1SGP> Blinkenlights w00t
[11:15] <PE2BZ> UPU I´ll hope RGB programmable ;-)
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> also wondering about FSUS no sign of it so far
[11:15] <Upu> heh
[11:16] <garymortimer> really nice pub area that balloon is heading into trying hard to remember a little place I visited in the lanes up there somewhere
[11:16] <Neil_M0CJM> Current prediction over my QTH :-)
[11:17] <PE2BZ> Would the PYSY be 10 or 100 mW ?
[11:17] <garymortimer> Oh well you will know the pubs then!
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS9 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS9
[11:19] <richardeoin> (more backlog)
[11:20] <garymortimer> I have flown balloons out of the Black Horse a few times never been disappointed http://www.blackhorsegreatmissenden.com/
[11:20] <PaulChandler> Chrishab is on 434.650 confirmed with group
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[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.650 not .600 ?
[11:21] <PaulChandler> Correct. I am with the guys now. They confirm 434.650
[11:21] <Neil_M0CJM> ok cool 434.650
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is FSUS also flying ?
[11:22] <gonzo_> thanks for the update
[11:22] <PE2G> PYSY RTTY is on 434.620.8 for about 1700 Hz centre
[11:22] <gonzo_> I may even get the sigs before they have let go of the line!
[11:25] <mfa298> I've not heard anything on .300, .600 or .650 for the SUWS flights so I don't know if the payloads are running at the moment or if they're just on the ground / in a car (I've heard traces before pre-launch from that site)
[11:27] <gonzo_> phil reported filling over an hr ago
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[11:29] <gonzo_> chrishab looks like it's moved from the cars to the balloons
[11:29] <PaulChandler> Yeah bit of a delay waiting for an interested party to arrive
[11:29] <gonzo_> I assume they are txing on site, as they are feeding decoodes locally
[11:30] <gonzo_> rr
[11:30] <garymortimer> Its a fabulous track from there I have flown loads over that area
[11:31] <Neil_M0CJM> Wish I had known, would have driven down from Basingtoke but maybe next time.
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[11:36] <craag_SUSF-web> we have a people related delay...
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is FSUS flying ?
[11:36] <Neil_M0CJM> Maybe should video stream launch on periscope?
[11:38] <craag_SUSF-web> only susf is flyuing as backup
[11:38] <gonzo_> do we have an eta on launch then?
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[11:39] <craag_SUSF-web> 15min or so
[11:39] <craag_SUSF-web> someone is stuck in traffic
[11:40] <craag_SUSF-web> its not windy so we're holding
[11:40] <gonzo_> ta
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[11:40] <garymortimer> will you be on chat throughout craag (as much as you can be)
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[11:47] <PaulChandler> Bandwidth issue for video steam
[11:48] <craag_SUSF-web> My co-pilot will be (as this login)
[11:48] <craag_SUSF-web> garymortimer: ^^
[11:48] <craag_SUSF-web> webchat y u no scroll...
[11:49] <garymortimer> cool
[11:50] <DL1SGP> heh goat challenge to scroll while driving :)
[11:51] <mfa298> that's why you use mosh, screen and irssi :p
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[12:02] <mfa298> I see some rtty at .650
[12:03] <mfa298> and gone again so I suspect it's not quite launched
[12:04] <gonzo_> looks like they are walking them out to launch
[12:06] <mfa298> just got really strong so might have launched
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[12:07] <gonzo_> yep, i see them to
[12:07] <mfa298> CHRISHAB on .650 shift at 520
[12:08] <gonzo_> CHARISHAB is centred at 434.6518, shift 540Hz
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[12:09] <mfa298> I can tell it's close, I can see a reading on the S meter
[12:10] <gonzo_> I have a poor local horison, but did get them pretty quick, at only 100mtrs AGL
[12:11] <gonzo_> could have been earlier, but had to adjust shifts
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[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> SUSF rtty is intermittent with no leadin on 434.300
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[12:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> and drifting badly
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[12:17] <gonzo_> jsut seen the waterfall of lora for the first time
[12:17] <gonzo_> how many modes are you guys txing there?
[12:18] <Neil_M0CJM> Nice signal here in Basingstoke :-)
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> I don't think we have all the parameters explicit/Impicit not stated nor low Data Rate Opt.
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[12:19] <gonzo_> it looks like three modes plus rtty on .300
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> The LoRa signals are very strong but not found the right paramaters yet!!
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MATT_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MATT_chase
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[12:26] <PE2G> Hurray! 1 green from PYSY at 520 km
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[12:30] <PE2G> PYSY burst
[12:35] <DL1SGP> yeap seems so
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[12:39] <DL7AD> hi
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[12:39] <DL1SGP> hi Sven
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[12:46] <garymortimer> m25 / m40 on a Sunday should be easy
[12:48] <Neil_M0CJM> gonna pop outside see if i can see it lol
[12:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Planet_Express_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Planet_Express_chase
[12:50] <garymortimer> Thats you up near Popham Neil?
[12:51] <garymortimer> Oh the balloons seen RAF Halton
[12:52] <Neil_M0CJM> Yes but cant see anything
[13:05] <Neil_M0CJM> Matt at Popham, you on here?
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[13:05] <Neil_M0CJM> garymortimer... Sorry I am in Oakley just above popham
[13:07] <garymortimer> near enough ;-)
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[13:11] <Neil_M0CJM> lol where are you?
[13:13] <garymortimer> Me, South Africa
[13:13] <garymortimer> bit of a comute
[13:14] <garymortimer> commute
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[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[13:15] <PE2BZ> !payload susf
[13:15] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03SUSF LoRa RTTY 10(e7f4) 03$$SUSF - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:15] <garymortimer> howdo
[13:18] <PE2BZ> !payload sufs
[13:18] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:19] <PE2BZ> !payload chrishab
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03Parmiter's EPQ 10(e7f4) 03$$CHRISHAB - 03Primary - 03443.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/160Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sure would help if the flight doc's and payload docs were right!!
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[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> modern art on the tracker!!
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> Well, Leo drew a penis once.
[13:22] <gonzo_> was that on one of his condom inflation experiments>
[13:22] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> No, it simply happened to make a penis (and balls) shape with one of the released balloons.
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[13:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[13:30] <garymortimer> Heading for this pub at the minute http://www.thepolecatinn.co.uk/
[13:31] <PA0RPA> I only hear SUSF on 434.297 and no signals from FSUS on 434.450 and CHRISHAB on 443.600 Any thing wrong ??
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> FSUS isn't flying
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> ChristHAB is on 434.651 ish
[13:33] <PA0RPA> Thanks !
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[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> shift is 490Hz not as defined 160Hz as well
[13:39] <garymortimer> Black Horse at Gt Missenden back in the frame, would be my choice in that area
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[13:40] <PE2BZ> PA0RPA CHRISHAB is strong at 434.650 over here (westcoast of Holland) but no signal on 434.450 at all and on the SDR ok singal from 434.400
[13:46] <garymortimer> I don't suppose anyone here is a mapbox/android app making genius I'm struggling
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[13:52] <garymortimer> Heading for the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Windmill now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobstone_Windmill
[13:53] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE if FSUS isn´t flying, does that mean there are no lora signals on air today ? I am recording but if they are not on air I switch to another frequency band....
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[13:53] <mclane__> PYSY12 recovered - easy on a field
[13:53] <PE2BZ> mclane__ congrats !
[13:53] <mclane__> LoRa rocks!
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[13:54] <mclane__> 100g Pawan -> > 30 km!!
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[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> mclane_, well done!
[13:55] <mclane__> now looking for a Biergarten
[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> SUSF is dending LoRa 7 different modes
[13:56] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE does the LoRa signal appear on a different frequency than the RTTY signal ?
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[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 434.3 - a bit rtty inbetween
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 20K8, SF8, EC4:6, LDRO worked
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 20K8, SF8, EC4:8, LDRO worked
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 20K8, SF11, EC4:8 LDRO worked
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 41K7, SF8, EC4:5, LDRO worked
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 41K7, SF8, EC4:8, LDRO worked
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 41K7, SF11, EC4:8, LDRO worked
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Explicit, 125K, SF7, EC4:8, LDRO worked
[14:00] <ibanezmatt13> Are there any good resources that explain this LoRa modulation?
[14:00] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE thanks. I see and decode (DL-FLDIGI) the rtty signal on 434.297.1 on my SDR. But after the RTTY switches off I see nothing on the waterfall. Is the LoRa signal much weaker than the RTTY signal ?
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Much broader 20k8 thru to 125Khz
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[14:03] <garymortimer> RIP Cilla Black, just on our news
[14:04] <garymortimer> that must be big over there
[14:04] <garymortimer> her wiki page already reflects it amazing
[14:06] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE one more question to be sure: the LoRa only appears when RTTY is ready ? So, if I see a broad signal through the RTTY that is not LoRa ?
[14:07] <PE2BZ> SUSF is now -10 kHz @ 434.290
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[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No it fills in the gap between RTTY signals
[14:10] <G8FJG_Ron> http://i.imgur.com/fZEX9ca.jpg
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[14:10] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE thanks. I play back the recording and see if the LoRa appears when the RTTY is strongest.
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[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Open up the bandwidth if your using an SDR and you will see it.
[14:12] <PE2BZ> G8FJG_Ron Thanks to you too! Clear image to me, I totally see nothing like that up till now. Only the RTTY
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[14:12] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE My span at first was 2 MHz (434 MHz centered)
[14:13] <PE2BZ> @ 10 km I am losing CHRISHAB
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes not quite that wide, why I like SDR-Console, allows choice of bandwidth in each VFO below the total tuning range!
[14:14] <PE2BZ> But last half hour I was running @ 200 kHz span.
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Same power spread out of course so maybe your not seeing it at your range
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[14:19] <PE2BZ> Geoff my error. Long Range does not automatically mean high(er) power.
[14:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh no, its still ISM band so power limits apply the same
[14:21] <PE2BZ> Thanks for your input, I´m away now. Bye to all !
[14:22] <PE2BZ> ibanezematt13 perhaps http://www.semtech.com/wireless-rf/lora/LoRa-FAQs.pdf helps you a little bit further ?
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> I'll give it a read, cheers
[14:23] <Elwell> damn you lot, just when I haven't got time for more ditractions, this LoRa stuff looks interesting
[14:24] <Elwell> cilla snuffed it? bums.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Elwell: Unexpectedly, apparantly. It was a surprise surprise.
[14:26] <garymortimer> Lora lora signals out there
[14:26] <Elwell> SpeedEvil: heh, I was going to say there'll be a lorra lorra people upset, but perhaps too soon
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[14:27] <garymortimer> Its a very UK joke
[14:27] <garymortimer> Matts chase is going to struggle to get across from there small roads lots of turns.
[14:29] <garymortimer> lets hope it misses the woods
[14:35] <garymortimer> if its between them looks like access from the south
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[14:37] <PE2BZ> Around 15:05 Local time I do recognize the LoRa signal after the RTTY transmission. Not strong at all, but with the examples I have seen this must be it ! http://i.imgur.com/3CJhT1t.jpg
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes he faint haze in the background is the LoRa signal
[14:42] <PE2BZ> Thanks again. Now I know what to look for ;-)
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll save a screen grab next time, as with all the modes running you can see the changes!
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/SUSF-L7-CHRISHAB_20150802/
[14:51] <AndChat|216489> Can anyone tell me why Chrishab market on habhub tracker is green but SUSF is yellow?
[14:51] <AndChat|216489> *marker
[14:52] <adamgreig> they just get assigned random colours
[14:52] <AndChat|216489> Ah OK, didn't know if it indicated a status
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[14:55] <daveake> <garymortimer> Lora lora signals out there
[14:55] <daveake> Now you know why I called my 868 LoRa tracker "CILLA" (high bandwidth --> lorra lorra packets) :-)
[14:56] <AndChat|216489> :)
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> I always thought of a parrot when reading LoRa
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> for some reason
[14:57] <garymortimer> Ah, nice Dave.
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[15:00] <garymortimer> Looks like they missed the woods, easy access track happy days
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[15:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IZ5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IZ5
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[15:03] <Upu> also now a tribute daveake she died
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[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> They don't want to walk to far by the looks of it ;-)
[15:42] <PaulChandler> Hehe
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[15:54] <craag_SUSF_> !pub
[15:55] <craag_SUSF_> :(
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> What do you expect in the middle of a field ?
[15:58] <craag_SUSF_> well I have irc
[15:58] <craag_SUSF_> so pub teleportation can tunnel through that right?
[15:58] <craag_SUSF_> ah, I'm using webchat, that's clearly the problem..
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Suggestion! Put a couple of bottles in the payload, so when you retieve it you can start drinking ;-)
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[15:59] <craag_SUSF_> lol
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> europub :D
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[16:12] <Copyright> Is anyone here doing cryptocurrency? PM
[16:13] <fearnor> bitcoin exchange IN SPAAAAAAACE
[16:13] <Copyright> hehe
[16:13] <Copyright> OneCoin is the one to have.
[16:14] <Laurenceb__> bitcoin trading over RTTY ?
[16:14] <Laurenceb__> via a picoballoon
[16:14] <Laurenceb__> picoexchange
[16:14] <Copyright> haha :D
[16:15] <Laurenceb__> i wonder if thats technically feasible
[16:15] <Laurenceb__> guess its a bit pointless as you need internet access at either end
[16:16] <Laurenceb__> maybe you could "host" an exchange on a picoballoon over international waters
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[16:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD7ICN-11 after 0319 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD7ICN-11
[16:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE7ROS-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7ROS-11
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[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VA2GKA-11 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2GKA-11
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[17:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[18:07] <Neil_M0CJM> Any idea who transmitting RTTY on 434.650 with callsign Tst01. Very loud north hampshire
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[18:25] <stedy> hello
[18:25] <stedy> I am launching my HAB in just over three weeks time
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> Where from?
[18:25] <stedy> I am about to purchase my balloon and chute now that I have my final payload weight
[18:25] <stedy> Avon Valley Country Park
[18:25] <stedy> Near Bath/Bristol.
[18:26] <stedy> I applied for CAA permission well over a month before the launch date via email,
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[18:26] <stedy> They have not yet acknowledged anything concerning it. I keep emailing them to confirm the permit will be ready in time, they just keep telling me to contact them closer to the time because their case officer is dealing with other things.
[18:27] <daveake> You won't get anything from the CAA till the last working day before the launch
[18:27] <daveake> apart from "wait" :)
[18:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> and you used the right mail adr https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/vspUckdjHgs
[18:28] <stedy> I emailed it to them
[18:28] <stedy> ausops@caa.co.uk, I emailed them a scan.
[18:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats the right adr
[18:29] <stedy> Dont they have to send me some forms by post?
[18:29] <daveake> No
[18:29] <stedy> Oh. So it's normal for them to be last minute?
[18:29] <daveake> <daveake> You won't get anything from the CAA till the last working day before the launch
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[18:30] <stedy> I applied for a window, so yeah
[18:30] <daveake> See the "Permission" section in http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[18:30] <daveake> They don't like windows
[18:30] <daveake> They prefer a single date
[18:31] <daveake> If you know before that date that you won't be able to launch, email and ask for a different date
[18:31] <stedy> I emailed them and they recommended I applied for a window, like two weeks
[18:31] <stedy> So I did...
[18:32] <daveake> Well they get complaints from pilots if people have large windows like that
[18:32] <stedy> so they will deny it?
[18:32] <daveake> no
[18:32] <daveake> they might do something like issue a notam for part of it, then issue another if you can't launch during that time
[18:33] <stedy> ok
[18:33] <stedy> Also, does the following setup look good for a 1.3KG payload: Hwoyee 1200g Balloon and Spherachute Lightweight Balloon Parachute - 42in
[18:34] <daveake> those are fine
[18:34] <stedy> I used the calculator for the balloon, it said I needed about 3.5 cubic metres of helium and predicted 34000m burst altitude
[18:35] <stedy> My only concern is the parachute - is the lightweight spherachute a compromise on quality somehow?
[18:35] <daveake> no
[18:35] <daveake> still very strong
[18:35] <stedy> ok.
[18:37] <stedy> Is there a particular time of day you recommend launching? I intend to be looking at the weather and flight predictions a week beforehand, decide on a date, and then put the flight on the habhub calendar a few days before.
[18:37] <stedy> Because I live near central london I am driving out into the north west countryside, so I should be launching around midday.
[18:38] <daveake> It's worthwhile checking a site like wunderground.com to see how the ground winds vary during your launch day
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[18:40] <daveake> Predictions 1 week out aren't usually worth the pixels they're written on
[18:40] <stedy> ik. For the week out ones, I'm generally just looking to make sure there's not a storm/torrential rain
[18:40] <daveake> They change a lot till (usually) they begin to settle down about 3 days from launch
[18:40] <stedy> Then i can fine pick a day a bit closer to get some nicer weather.
[18:41] <daveake> Well #1 factor is where it's landing
[18:41] <daveake> #2 is lunch winds
[18:41] <daveake> rain is less important
[18:41] <daveake> though unpleasant
[18:41] <stedy> yes but our launch is slightly more of an event :)
[18:41] <stedy> kickstarter project where people are sending all sorts of things up
[18:42] <stedy> some of them are coming along and I wouldnt like to make it nasty for them
[18:42] <daveake> launch winds are still more important
[18:42] <daveake> If you've not done it before, too windy = it's hitting the ground
[18:43] <daveake> or a tree
[18:43] <daveake> or both
[18:43] <daveake> which kickstarter?
[18:43] <stedy> the page you mean?
[18:43] <stedy> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sachalachin/project-hermes-launching-your-messages-into-near-s
[18:44] <daveake> £1500? Plenty.
[18:44] <daveake> What tracking are you using?
[18:45] <stedy> Radio telemetry + a SPOT trace for backup
[18:45] <daveake> cool
[18:45] <daveake> Whose radio tracker?
[18:45] <stedy> 2 HD action cams + 360 degree HD action cam
[18:45] <stedy> HABduino
[18:45] <daveake> Cool
[18:45] <daveake> And what radio to receive?
[18:46] <stedy> We're setting up a tracking page at www.track.thehermesproject.co.uk
[18:46] <stedy> (not ready yet, it's going to have habhub embedded + our twitter feed + weather)
[18:46] <daveake> sure
[18:46] <stedy> Receiving, laptop with SDR dongle and 433mhz small antenna stuck on top of the car
[18:47] <daveake> In that case I suggest you dig further into the budget and get something better
[18:47] <stedy> the receiver you mean?
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[18:48] <daveake> yes
[18:48] <stedy> I love how you were waiting for me to say SDR dongle before you could hit enter on that response :)
[18:48] <daveake> My crystal ball is very effective
[18:48] <stedy> or you have superhuman typing speed...
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[18:49] <stedy> I haven't really got much budget for a decent receiver.
[18:49] <stedy> We are actually using a proper 433mhz antenna
[18:49] <daveake> Well, that's the weak point in what you've described
[18:49] <daveake> and I for one would not go chasing with a TV SDR
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[18:50] <stedy> It's been quite effective so far. On top of the car I can pick up the cambridge flights easily.
[18:50] <mfa298> that might depend on which SDR dongle you're using of course however I suspect it's a cheap rtlsdr (and I wouldn't be surprised if daveake is thinking the same)
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[18:51] <stedy> I understand that it's more difficult when the payload lands etc. But we will be quite close, and the SPOT tracker is there as another failsafe
[18:51] <mfa298> one of the better SDR's (funcube / airspy) are much better at receiving and not hugely expensive
[18:51] <daveake> "we will be quite close"
[18:51] <daveake> not necessarily
[18:52] <daveake> Distance to payload from nearest road is quite often 600 metres or so
[18:52] <daveake> and the ground may not be flat
[18:53] <daveake> Really, you're risking 3 cameras a spot and a habuino for £100-£150 for a decent SDR
[18:53] <stedy> funcube is £125. there's no budget for that im afraid
[18:53] <daveake> You're planning a fail, you know
[18:53] <daveake> At least get a habamp for the TV dongle
[18:54] <stedy> What's that?
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[18:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> And make sure all the cables are secure, or mount it all in a single box
[18:55] <daveake> amplifier and filter for HAB radio
[18:55] <mfa298> no budget for something more than an rtlsdr from £1500 crikey. I'm sure others have build and launched for a fraction of that
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[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABAMP_and_DONGLE/
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[18:56] <daveake> I'd be more worried about wasting £1500 and dissappointing my backers than I would about £125
[18:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Dongle & Habamp
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[18:57] <stedy> I am looking at the habamps right now
[18:57] <mfa298> the more alternative route is to get something like the ft790 / ft817, more expensive but they keep their value well.
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[18:59] <stedy> They look great
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[19:00] <stedy> Should I get the sonde version or the 434mhz version?
[19:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> 434Mhz
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[19:00] <stedy> Ok
[19:01] <stedy> And I can just plug in DC 12v straight away?
[19:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> But mount it all securely as jumping in and out of carsis recipe for damsge
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[19:01] <stedy> Yes I will have it all in a box.
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[19:02] <stedy> Well thanks for your help guys
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[19:02] <stedy> I have to dash now but thanks for your advice
[19:02] <stedy> Thanks!
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[19:54] <H4M_Max> Hi all, new here. Just wanted to pop on to say thanks to those involved in the UKHAS wiki/habitat etc. Amazing resource and infrastructure.
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[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[20:05] <mattbrejza> mfa298: btw thats not our 'usual' site
[20:07] <mfa298> ah, I didn't look that closely, it just looked like it was in that sort of area
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[20:08] <mattbrejza> probably another hill in the way
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[20:20] <mfa298> could be just a few m difference in height affected things. I got traces as you moved to the launch site but nothing as you were filling
[20:26] <craag_SUSF> payloads were mostly on the ground while we were filling
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[20:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLOUD8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLOUD8
[20:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLOUD9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLOUD9
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