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[03:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALLOONOLO-5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLOONOLO-5
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[06:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RAJ-3 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RAJ-3
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[07:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0SBU-11 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-11
[07:43] <craag> Russia :D
[07:44] <craag> !whereis M0SBU-11
[07:44] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: 03M0SBU-11 is over 03Purovsky District, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Russia 10(65.92504,79.17184) at 0310193 meters
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[07:59] <SA6BSS> nice one m0sbu :) still at good alt
[08:00] <SA6BSS> realy like the APRS coverage button on the tracker!
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[08:04] <PE2BZ> Goodmorning all!
[08:04] <PE2BZ> !flights
[08:04] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03PISKY/LORA1 10(8622)
[08:04] <PE2BZ> !payload pisky
[08:04] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03PISKY 10(8622) 03$$PISKY - 03Pi + NTX2B + UBlox - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[08:07] <UpuWork> yay on M0SBU thats really cool
[08:07] <Copyright> greece anyone?
[08:09] <gonzo_> ? are they selling it?
[08:11] <Copyright> yes I want to buy Greece and learn them OneCoin. :)
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[08:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PISKY after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
[08:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LORA1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA1
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[09:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Dave is all on his own :-(
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[09:05] <daveake> Yeah, and too windy out back (not a euphanism) so moved to the courtyard which is more sheltered
[09:05] <daveake> Also probably going to go with an 800g hwoyee to make the launch a bit easier
[09:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right
[09:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> si different prediction
[09:06] <daveake> not sure yet
[09:07] <daveake> You'll be able to tell when you see the balloon :)
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[09:32] <daveake> blimey that was hard work
[09:32] <gonzo_> looks like she's away
[09:32] <daveake> very gusty, and every it calmed and I started to let the line out, the wind tried to blow the balloon against the crop
[09:32] <gonzo_> horisontal launch
[09:32] <daveake> In the end I held the chut tight, let go of the balloon, then fed out the rest quickly
[09:33] <gonzo_> what;s flying? LORA with pi and ssdv?
[09:33] <daveake> yes
[09:33] <daveake> and rtty
[09:33] <gonzo_> 868meg for the lora?
[09:34] <daveake> it's the pits board + lora board on top
[09:34] <daveake> 434
[09:34] <gonzo_> rr, I'm waiting for thr rtty to come up over my horison
[09:34] <daveake> ok
[09:34] <craag> !payload LORA1
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Payload 03LORA1 10(8622) 03$$LORA1 - no transmissions
[09:34] <craag> 434.450 mode=1 ?
[09:34] <daveake> not via rtty no :)
[09:34] <gonzo_> will look for the 434 lora, though no way of demoding yet
[09:34] <daveake> yes
[09:34] <daveake> doesn't anyone read the mailing list? :p
[09:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Me :)
[09:35] <gonzo_> I get the digest the day after things have launched
[09:35] <craag> sud
[09:35] <daveake> image sizes will double >2000m
[09:35] <daveake> on both lora (1280 x 960) and rtty
[09:36] <daveake> brb getting the car ready
[09:36] <daveake> I'm probably in the null already here :/
[09:36] <craag> websdr rx running
[09:36] <daveake> cool
[09:36] <daveake> Also the ratio of ssdv vs telem will change at 2000
[09:37] <daveake> 20:1 for lora 4:1 for rtty
[09:37] <craag> woo ssdv
[09:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> bit short of my horizon at the moment :(
[09:37] <daveake> woo
[09:37] <daveake> glas I didn't fly the 1600 as planned
[09:37] <craag> SF6 lora barely at 0 deg horizon :)
[09:37] <daveake> 800 was a handful
[09:37] <daveake> excellent
[09:38] <db_G6GZH> I should receive both shortly ...
[09:38] <daveake> fsphil: plz add intelllient lost-packet-infill to ssdv tvm :)
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[09:40] <craag> and telem too :)
[09:40] <craag> Don't normally get rtty this low
[09:41] <craag> impressive :)
[09:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[09:41] <db_G6GZH> and got them, needed to tune LoRa up a bit to capture AFC
[09:42] <db_G6GZH> showing as 434.4566MHz
[09:42] <craag> 434.4552 on mine
[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> massive qrm on .425 for pisky
[09:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BACON_Chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BACON_Chase
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[09:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mumm nothing from either payload odd..
[09:50] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: If you're receiving lora, try manually tuning it to 434.455
[09:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have
[09:51] <craag> hmm
[09:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah qrm on .425 stopped
[09:52] <F1VJQ> Spelling mistake on tracker map.... Should say "Received"
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[09:54] <garymortimer> Afternoon, joining late see LoRa is away
[09:56] <garymortimer> Shrivenham has been the home of the militarys drone think tank they might have moved to Boscombe now http://www.suasnews.com/2011/09/7992/rpas-2011/
[09:58] <garymortimer> windmill to hit around there as well ;-)
[09:59] <daveake> Right I'm orf ... driving/pub directions gratefully received :)
[09:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ha LORA1
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[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial pisky
[10:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(8622): 03434.2507 MHz, 434.251 MHz, 434.25119 MHz, 434.25101 MHz
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> gah 434.250 not 434.425
[10:03] <garymortimer> The Air Balloon is in the right direction Dave
[10:03] <daveake> I used to live in Newbury ... I know the roads that way well :)
[10:04] <daveake> <daveake> doesn't anyone read the mailing list? :p
[10:04] <daveake> <Geoff-G8DHE> Me :)
[10:04] <daveake> laterz
[10:04] <garymortimer> Straight to Swindon I would have thought
[10:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Doesn't mean I typed it in right :/
[10:04] <garymortimer> be safe
[10:05] <F1VJQ> 11km - I might hear it if it gets above 30km!
[10:05] <garymortimer> If its going long the Whitehorse at Uffington as said for that other one a great place to wait
[10:07] <daveake> Yeah used to work down the road from there
[10:07] <daveake> off now .. managed to trip over the aerial cable just now and pull everything off the desk :/
[10:08] <garymortimer> Better pubs South of that White horse as well, all flights should plan to pass it
[10:12] <PE2BZ> !payload pisky
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03PISKY 10(8622) 03$$PISKY - 03Pi + NTX2B + UBlox - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:12] <PE2BZ> !dial pisky
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(8622): 03434.251 MHz, 434.251392 MHz
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[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag, how are you getting lora via the suws? or is it just on same aerials ?
[10:15] <fsphil> daveake: http://i.imgur.com/5OFOhD8.jpg
[10:15] <fsphil> like that? :)
[10:17] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Pi with rfm98 on the same splitter :)
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right, wondered
[10:18] <garymortimer> Might be a reasonable place to wait http://www.longcotkingandqueen.com/
[10:19] <garymortimer> Looks like some heavy right foot is required at the minute though
[10:20] <craag> One bit on the websdr that's actually working at the moment :/
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> I need to sort out some aerial switching now , lora on co-linear and airspy on beams but fiddly to keep manually changing
[10:23] <PE2BZ> Hi. Does anyone have a spectrum view (SDR) from the Loran signal ? Would like to see what it looks like.
[10:24] <craag> PE2BZ: http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/d1.png
[10:24] <craag> Lora not Loran
[10:24] <craag> Loran is something very different :)
[10:25] <mattbrejza> although the top left signal is misleading, it sweeps in frequency rather than FSK which is what that looks like
[10:25] <PE2BZ> craag Thanks. I am viewing something different, so it´s not the LoRa signal
[10:26] <PE2BZ> @17 km I have the frist green on PISKY
[10:29] <garymortimer> Is Loran still operational??
[10:29] <Laurenceb> yes
[10:31] <PE2BZ> Is there a (yahoo, google or similair) list for HAB activity ? I would like to post a request for using 12.5 kHz frequencies. All FSK transmitters over here are at 434.250, 275, 300, 450 and all 434.2625, 3125 are empty....
[10:32] <craag> PE2BZ: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[10:32] <PE2BZ> craag tnx !
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[10:34] <garymortimer> Its seen Fairford
[10:35] <PA0RPA> Receiving PISKY in Holland, but very unstable signal. Can not get a lock.
[10:39] <PE2BZ> PA0RPA 2 SSDV packets decoded near to the coast (Westland)
[10:39] <G8FJG> RPA increase the receive filter bandwidth to 325 ish in configuration menu
[10:46] <garymortimer> I see Dave is going to pass the Air Balloon pub
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[10:47] <garymortimer> I was last there with my late father in law in 2010
[10:48] <garymortimer> Its on the roundabout they are coming upto
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[10:51] <michal_f> hello
[10:52] <PA0RPA> Signal of PISKY is to weak, to detect here in Bergen op Zoom, Holland. Unstable, shifting in frequency and hardly detectable, despite increasing Bandwith of FL Digi, Sorry.......
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[10:59] <garymortimer> Its going to keep a beady eye on Fairford
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[11:02] <G4YHE> My signal from pisky is very weak.
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[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its going to be about 10 degrees above horizon by now
[11:03] <F1VJQ> That's not good to hear! I'm waiting for AoS at 700km!
[11:04] <F1VJQ> I'm starting to hear telemetry with Pisky below my horizon
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[11:05] <PA0RPA> Same in Holland G4YHE, despite of height the signal is hardly noticable and shifting some hundred hertz up and down. Can not et a stable lock.
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[11:07] <F1VJQ> receiving at 700km not bad signal, but not yet above horizon
[11:07] <G4YHE> I think the problem might be with me. I should have a good signal at this range.
[11:09] <garymortimer> http://www.falconinnpoulton.co.uk/ on the nose range 2km
[11:11] <garymortimer> Ok passed that one http://www.masonsarmsmeyseyhampton.com/
[11:12] <luteijn|pc1pcl> !dial pisky
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn|pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(8622): 03434.251187 MHz, 434.252 MHz, 434.251 MHz, 434.25324 MHz, 434.25055 MHz
[11:12] <michal_f> what radio does PISKY have ?
[11:12] <F1VJQ> Oh damn.... just as it came in range it has gone.....
[11:12] <F1VJQ> burst?
[11:13] <daveake> burst
[11:13] <daveake> was supposed to burst at 30.5km :/
[11:14] <F1VJQ> I though email said 40km?
[11:14] <daveake> Not had much reception from it in the car - sounded like it was swinging a lot and I kept being in the null
[11:14] <daveake> Yes I changed from 1600 to 800 due to winds
[11:14] <daveake> I did say there here early but not on the list
[11:15] <G4YHE> After I upgraded to windows 10 I cannot find SDR# on my computer :(
[11:16] <F1VJQ> Never be a pioneer with Windows
[11:17] <G4YHE> I was a bit eager :)
[11:17] <daveake> By pure fluke I seem to be in about the right place for the landing :)
[11:17] <F1VJQ> daveake well at least I heard it, just below my horizon, at about +8dB/n distance about 700km. sig looked fairly stable
[11:17] <daveake> cool
[11:17] <daveake> I will do a 1600 when there's less wind
[11:18] <F1VJQ> OK
[11:18] <daveake> As it was, the balloon was trying to pull me over
[11:18] <F1VJQ> They come into range at around 34km....
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[11:19] <F1VJQ> 9ele yagi on 10m mast and ecoflex 15 cable
[11:20] <daveake> more missing packets on l;ora than I hoped for
[11:20] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Didn't have much luck with decoding here: signal looked ok enough on the waterfall, but decode donly 2 ssdv packets and no normal telemetry at all I think. So might not have been to great even if over the horizon.
[11:20] <luteijn|pc1pcl> But would have been nice to compare.
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes strange here it was going strong then suddenly stopped decodong, and now its picked up again most odd and the qrm has stayed the same
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[11:23] <daveake> might just wait here as there's internet
[11:23] <daveake> though there's a hill further back, quite close to the prediction
[11:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hah no missing packets in last Lora image but its all blue sky!
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[11:25] <daveake> probably 1 big packet :)
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[11:30] <F1VJQ> flying off predicted track now
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[11:33] <daveake> Think I'll head off to the A429
[11:36] <F1VJQ> Looks like NE of Cirencester
[11:41] <F1VJQ> Headed for Yellow School Copse just east of Fosse Way
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[11:43] <F1VJQ> should land close to Fosse Way!
[11:45] <F1VJQ> stop.... it will land on your roof!!
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[11:46] <lucasbuck> i have a question regarding the NTX2 radio modules, ome background, I started writing flight comp a couple of years ago, and have most of it sorted and ready all apart from the radio code. I have an NTX2 radio chip and have some time to start coding again. I see now that the NTX2B is avaliable and this is better at dealing with frequency drift when temps change. How much worse is the 2 over the 2B, and as I havent started this part of my project, shou
[11:48] <JFS1> People tracked the NTX2 fine for years - I still use them; NTX2B is nicer for tracking but it's not critical
[11:48] <UpuWork> use the NTX2 will give the trackers something to do :)
[11:49] <daveake> 535m away
[11:49] <lucasbuck> :D
[11:49] <daveake> just checking map to find the easiest route
[11:49] <RealBorg> daveake, great!
[11:49] <lucasbuck> cool ok, thanks. I'll have a lot more questions soon i think
[11:50] <fsphil> if the enclosure it's in is well insulated, it won't drift that much
[11:50] <UpuWork> Stow Road daveake
[11:50] <RealBorg> lucasbuck, I wonder if the NTX2 can be frequency corrected
[11:50] <UpuWork> there is a farm with a track
[11:50] <UpuWork> or Welsh Way
[11:51] <lucasbuck> i have some mylar i'll cut up to insualte with, as well as 2 polystyrene spheres, one smaller, inside the other
[11:51] <lucasbuck> double insulation is the plan
[11:51] <daveake> yeah I see it on the OS mapping on my tablet
[11:51] <daveake> ok will try that track
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[12:10] <LunarMobile> hello
[12:11] <DL7AD> hi
[12:12] <UpuWork> I'd say thats recovered
[12:12] <UpuWork> unless the payloads just grew legs and walked
[12:13] <michal_f> :)
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[12:15] <DL7AD> does anyone know where i can buy hackrf or bladerf here in the EU. >a distributor which really has them in stock.<
[12:15] <daveake> done :)
[12:16] <JFS1> Well done Dave - looks like you had a really good flight
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[12:18] <daveake> yeah good flight, landing in a field, surprised yet helpful residents*
[12:18] <daveake> * lady in the house
[12:18] <daveake> * field of cows
[12:18] <daveake> laterz ... off home
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[12:41] <fsphil> DL7AD: I got a hackrf from passion radio
[12:41] <fsphil> don't think the bladerf is sold in the EU yet
[12:43] <DL7AD> fsphil: yeah i think so..... great info *thumbsup*
[12:45] <fsphil> passion radio seemed ok. arrived here from france quicker than I expected
[12:48] <LunarWork> be back later :)
[12:49] <DL7AD> fsphil: do they also ship with UPS?
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[13:08] <fsphil> DL7AD: not for mine no
[13:15] <DL7AD> fsphil: i called them but their english is quiet awful.... i think she did not even understand my question.
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[14:25] <VE3KCL> Hello you may find this page interesting..... http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s3.html
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[15:00] <Laurenceb> hmmm
[15:00] <Laurenceb> http://www.wrenturbines.co.uk/turbojets/wren-180-i-kero
[15:00] <Laurenceb> 6 of these on a backpack
[15:01] <mattbrejza> i wonder what you have to do every 50hrs to them
[15:01] <Laurenceb> £15k, 8 minute flight time hoversuit
[15:02] <mattbrejza> +£5 for the gaffa tape
[15:03] <Laurenceb> ~£4/minute fuel costs
[15:03] <Laurenceb> better than a taxi lol
[15:04] <mattbrejza> well you could always add little wings
[15:04] <Laurenceb> or...
[15:04] <Laurenceb> afterburners
[15:05] <mattbrejza> not sure that helps with fuel efficiency
[15:05] <Laurenceb> lul
[15:06] <Laurenceb> https://vimeo.com/16632926
[15:06] <SA6BSS> VE3KCL: yeah thats realy interesting !! I
[15:07] <SA6BSS> I read about your first launch a copile of weeks ago
[15:07] <VE3KCL> Hey thanks... we got lucky and it woke up this morning
[15:07] <SA6BSS> it was w4hbk that menchoned it on the qrss network
[15:08] <SA6BSS> you should post about your launch on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[15:08] <VE3KCL> Yes Bill is a great resource for qrss
[15:08] <SA6BSS> indeed!
[15:08] <SA6BSS> his station got strike by lightening so his ofline for some time
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[15:09] <VE3KCL> We are working to make the checksum data compatible for UKHAS
[15:09] <SA6BSS> nice! so the balloon is still up??
[15:10] <VE3KCL> Yes at 5m/s at the moment ..you can check the link and f5 to refresh the page
[15:10] <SA6BSS> ahh. ok
[15:12] <SA6BSS> im on wspr and qrss on 20m , have to switch over to 30m
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[15:13] <VE3KCL> 10.139800 for Jt9 and 10.140150 for wspr
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[15:17] <SA6BSS> wspr and jt 9 up and running, now food for the kids, bak in 30min
[15:17] <SA6BSS> *back
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[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0NMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0NMG-11
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[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11
[16:31] <Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLJiT1-UkAA3L03.jpg
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[18:51] <chimpusmax_win> Evening, any suggestions how i might be able to test out some altitude logic i want to add to some code. Its on a pits board so using i2c for GPS
[18:51] <chimpusmax_win> its very flat around me
[18:54] <number10> https://ukhas.org.uk/code:emulator?s[]=testing&s[]=gps
[18:54] <chimpusmax_win> cheers i'll take a look
[18:59] <number10> probably good to start here https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing
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[19:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB8PVR-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB8PVR-3
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[19:12] <Emanuel> Hello world!
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[19:25] <Emanuel> hello
[19:26] <ibanezmatt13> good evening
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[19:30] <Emanuel> <ibanezmatt13> Hi, how are you?
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[19:30] <ibanezmatt13> fine thanks, yourself?
[19:30] <Emanuel> <ibanezmatt13> I am fine, just using IRC again after a long time
[19:30] <ibanezmatt13> ah nice
[19:33] <Emanuel> <ibanezmatt13> are you building habs as well?
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[19:33] <Upu> evening Emanuel
[19:34] <Upu> he's built them and moved on :)
[19:34] <ibanezmatt13> I have been, but things are quiet at the minute - just finished A-levels :)
[19:34] <ibanezmatt13> yea, for now :P
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[19:34] <Emanuel> <Upu> good evening to you
[19:35] <Upu> welcome to #ha you don't need to say peoples name each time
[19:35] <Emanuel> <ibanezmatt13> <Upu> hope to say the same soon
[19:35] <Emanuel> ok :)
[19:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All :-)
[19:35] <Upu> it causes our clients to blink
[19:35] <Upu> and its annoying :)
[19:35] <Emanuel> ah ok sorry
[19:35] <Emanuel> i believe you!
[19:36] <number10> do you think A levels went well ibanezmatt13 ?
[19:36] <Emanuel> what about you Upu working on any ha?
[19:36] <Emanuel> *habs?
[19:36] <Upu> All the time
[19:37] <Upu> I run hab supplies
[19:37] <ibanezmatt13> Well, I wouldn't want to speculate too much, but I can't see why they wouldn't have number10... Find out very soon :/
[19:38] <number10> what is your choice for university ibanezmatt13 ?
[19:38] <ibanezmatt13> Aero & Astro at Southampton, hopefully
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[19:39] <number10> thats good - I hope you get the required grades
[19:39] <ibanezmatt13> thanks, me too! :)
[19:39] <Emanuel> cool Upu! :)
[19:40] <ibanezmatt13> Slightly OT, but is anyone capable of explaining why the Sun has to always be at the "focus" of an elliptical orbit?
[19:40] <Emanuel> good luck to you ibanezmatt13
[19:40] <ibanezmatt13> thanks Emanuel
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[19:40] <day> while looking into frequency generators, i noticed that hords of Hams seem to buy these 1-40Mhz AD9850 frequency generators. Im wondering, what do they need them for?
[19:42] <Babs_> ibanezmatt13 - do you mean why the focus sits inside the sun?
[19:42] <mattbrejza> to put in their junk box alongside over things that they bought at ham rallies
[19:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> day: as frequency source
[19:43] <day> SP9UOB-Tom: to generate the carrierfrequency?
[19:43] <ibanezmatt13> Babs_, so I mean if an ellipse has these two focus points, say the ellipse is the orbit of a planet, why is the Sun at one of the two foci? Why can't it be in some other part of the ellipse
[19:43] <ibanezmatt13> might be a duff question, I don't really need to be looking at this yet :P
[19:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> day: yes, its easy to use, programmable, and no resonant circuits to make :-)
[19:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> can be programmed to allmost any frequency, no pll required
[19:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> ibanezmatt13, http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/08/q-why-are-orbits-elliptical-why-is-the-sun-in-one-focus-and-whats-in-the-other/
[19:45] <ibanezmatt13> I looked at this Geoff-G8DHE, I think he reffered to the sea of maths beneath for the explanation (I couldn't really follow it)
[19:46] <edmoore> he's right that it just falls out of the maths, but maybe think of it another way
[19:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hahha, yes I just visualise the orbit and it seems pretty obvious the Sun is providing the force holding the other object in orbit
[19:46] <edmoore> why would the orbit *not* by symmetric?
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[19:47] <edmoore> you'd have to have some other kind of force vector acting on the orbiting body
[19:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> and given it s a power series (?) then the ellipse, I'm sure Ed would have the maths for you ;-)
[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> I suppose it must always be symetric unless you get these so called perturbations, influences from other stuff
[19:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> and he appears ;-)
[19:47] <edmoore> but in the reference frame of, say, the sun, it just looks like an ellipse
[19:47] <edmoore> it's not *actually* an elipse
[19:48] <edmoore> the sun and the earth are both orbiting around some point between them
[19:48] <edmoore> but that point is enormously within the radius of the sun
[19:48] <ibanezmatt13> hm ok, it's hard to visualise
[19:49] <edmoore> you can't really
[19:49] <edmoore> the fact that it's symetric about an axis is sort of obvious i hope
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[19:49] <edmoore> just because the gravity vector is the same regardless of which side of the sun you're on
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[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> guten abend Sven :-)
[19:49] <edmoore> i.e. the gravitational acceleration is only a function of the magnitude of the radius
[19:50] <edmoore> so you get some symmetry just from that
[19:50] <DL7AD> hi Tom!
[19:50] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
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[19:50] <Upu> so what about you Emanuel are you considering a launch ?
[19:50] <edmoore> that that symmetry makes ellipses just falls out of the inverse square nature of gravity
[19:50] <edmoore> you'd have to do the maths
[19:51] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, it's interesting stuff though. The textbooks go over my head atm
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anybody else on tonight who Rx the LoRa signals this morning ?
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> just wondered if anybody else had QRM within the bandwidth ?
[19:51] <craag> Yes
[19:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Upu :-)
[19:51] <craag> Ah, no idea on qrm
[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: Yagis are ready to go to the roof :-)
[19:52] <edmoore> ibanezmatt13: wait until a bit more vector algebra
[19:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> right I monitered on the SDR as well and had carries across about 30% of the bandwidth
[19:52] <edmoore> a lot of mechanics stuff is much neater in vector form
[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1192393680786392&set=a.158841300808307.44638.100000473142757&type=1&theater
[19:52] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, it's totally glossed over at a-level (rightly so probably)
[19:53] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: ha great :) i saw that
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> but noticed that everybody had very random results in terms of packets recieved
[19:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: just few weeks nad i'll be HAB-enabled again ;-)
[19:54] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Yes I was losing a lot of packets even when the signal was strong
[19:54] <edmoore> sorry that was appallingly sloppy
[19:54] <edmoore> copy and paste my next line
[19:54] <edmoore> whoops wrong window
[19:54] <edmoore> ibanezmatt13:
[19:54] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE Looking at the photos on the SD card, that payload was swinging around a lot even before burst
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> the oddity was that the qrm for me was pretty consistent
[19:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: are You going to the conference this year?
[19:54] <daveake> lots of fading in the car
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> that might have been it daveake
[19:54] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: yes im in. thomas too
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[19:55] <daveake> Not sure of the state of the aerials ... the launch was in a bit of a rush :)
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[19:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: unfortunetly i cant go this year :-( My friend has a wedding
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[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ok previously it had been much more continous stream of packets with just odd errors
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[19:56] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: what a pity....
[19:56] <DL7AD> well not for your friend
[19:57] <DL7AD> but for the conference
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[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: yeah
[20:00] <Emanuel_> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Emanuel_ eyvipjwdnsgh
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> nice password ;-)
[20:00] <daveake> oops
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> easy to rmember ;-)
[20:00] <Emanuel_> heh
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> time to change it ;-)
[20:00] <Emanuel_> e
[20:00] <Emanuel_> made a mistake
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> Emanuel_: 2-111-63-178-static.dk.customer.tdc.net - i used to work for Dannish TDC :-)
[20:02] <Emanuel_> hehe :) SP(=9UOB-Tome
[20:02] <Emanuel_> hehe :) SP9UOB-Tom! you live in DK?
[20:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> Emanuel_: no, in Poland :-)
[20:03] <Emanuel_> :)
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> They bought some polish ISPs about 15 years ago
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[20:06] <Emanuel_> hehe didn't knwo that
[20:07] <Upu> SP = indicates Polish radio amateur
[20:08] <Upu> DL = German
[20:08] <Emanuel_> I remeber that part... but must admit have not paied attention to that fact
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[20:39] <OZ7EMA> upu you are the one of the Habduino right?
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[20:40] <Upu> I am yes
[20:40] <OZ7EMA> some time back i bought one from you
[20:40] <OZ7EMA> cool stuff
[20:40] <OZ7EMA> i changed the code a bit so it works on a mega
[20:40] <Upu> oh nice
[20:40] <OZ7EMA> and used watch dog
[20:40] <OZ7EMA> to get the mega up running if it hangs
[20:40] <OZ7EMA> seems to work fine
[20:41] <Upu> super
[20:41] <Upu> glad it works
[20:41] <OZ7EMA> once i am trhough with the project if you allow i will add it to github so it is shared with the others
[20:42] <OZ7EMA> hope to launch it next month... was unlucky with weather this month...
[20:42] <OZ7EMA> it is the price living on a small island.. it fast ends up in water :D
[20:45] <Upu> certainly
[20:45] <Upu> haha which island ?
[20:48] <OZ7EMA> Sjaelland
[20:48] <OZ7EMA> not that small
[20:49] <OZ7EMA> but still small enough to make it fly into the sea or to the Swedish friends!
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[20:50] <Upu> get the right winds and float to Poland
[20:50] <Vaizki> I have an osprey on my roof :D
[20:50] <OZ7EMA> true and SP9UOB can send it back to me :)
[20:50] <Vaizki> Young one, this years chick
[20:50] <Vaizki> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3jcmq0leq7jbbty/photo%2030.7.2015%2023.27.27.jpg?dl=0
[20:51] <Vaizki> Flashlight + iPhone
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[20:52] <fsphil> cute!
[20:52] <Vaizki> Yea and pissed off about the flashlight :)
[20:52] <OZ7EMA> nice
[20:53] <OZ7EMA> i guess is the same to you pointing a flashlight in your eyes at night ;)
[20:53] <Vaizki> Yea well he's on my roof :)
[20:53] <Vaizki> My rules!
[20:53] <OZ7EMA> hehe :D true!
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:56] <Vaizki> They nest in a lighthouse right next door
[20:56] <OZ7EMA> very nice
[20:57] <OZ7EMA> at least you can be sure now pigeons will show up
[20:57] <OZ7EMA> a part from that they are amazing they fly without any noise!
[20:57] <Vaizki> Hmm why?
[20:57] <Vaizki> I mean pigeons
[20:58] <Vaizki> And I'm in a small island, no pigeons here
[20:58] <OZ7EMA> pigeons don't like raptors that much
[20:58] <OZ7EMA> good for you :)
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[20:59] <OZ7EMA> where do you live?
[20:59] <Vaizki> I live in Espoo Finland but this is my summer cabin
[20:59] <OZ7EMA> ah very nice!!! :)
[20:59] <Vaizki> Small island, 2.5 hectares
[21:00] <OZ7EMA> cool stuff indeed!
[21:02] <SA6BSS> OZ7EMA: post your launch in good time on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
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[21:02] <OZ7EMA> i will for sure
[21:02] <OZ7EMA> thanks <SA6BSS>
[21:02] <SA6BSS> it would be fun tracking , ben realy bad hab summer!! verry few floaters
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[21:02] <OZ7EMA> unfortunalty true...
[21:03] <OZ7EMA> beginning of july had bin some ok days but i was on hoidays...
[21:03] <SA6BSS> yeah, I have had vacation for 3 weeks now and straight westerly wind every day
[21:04] <OZ7EMA> it is really frustrating...
[21:04] <SA6BSS> and rain so not any good prediction for releasing any hab
[21:04] <SA6BSS> it is
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[21:04] <OZ7EMA> yes... although above the clouds it should not rain...
[21:04] <OZ7EMA> ;)
[21:05] <Upu> just got to get there though :)
[21:05] <SA6BSS> anf
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[21:05] <SA6BSS> and the winds been quite fast, the balloons is gone in 3-4 hours
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[21:06] <SA6BSS> an aprs tracker would be fun :)
[21:07] <OZ7EMA> yes lates predictions i made for a 35104m flight, duration 227min all ended up in the sea or in sweden...
[21:07] <OZ7EMA> hehe i have it on bard
[21:07] <OZ7EMA> onboard.. if weather stays bad for another weeks i will make it work was well i guess
[21:07] <OZ7EMA> now just working with RTTY
[21:08] <SA6BSS> ok, thats nice!'
[21:08] <OZ7EMA> via an MTX2
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[21:11] <OZ7EMA> if i know the launch date and time i will for sure let i now to all.
[21:12] <OZ7EMA> for now not to good...
[21:12] <OZ7EMA> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33517598/flightpathPreViewL.pdf
[21:12] <OZ7EMA> and lets forget about the cumulus clouds raining like hell.
[21:17] <OZ7EMA> what about you SA6BSS any launches planned?
[21:22] <SA6BSS> I´l send up floaters so I wait for south o eastly winds , no planned launch at the moment
[21:22] <SA6BSS> *that would be northly winds*
[21:22] <SA6BSS> not south
[21:24] <OZ7EMA> cool!
[21:24] <OZ7EMA> this will be my next project
[21:24] <OZ7EMA> now i have to learn how things work and then would also like to make a floater
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[21:25] <SA6BSS> it all about weight :) every gram counts :)
[21:26] <SA6BSS> what balloon are u using, and what alt are you aimomg for?
[21:27] <OZ7EMA> one second SA6BSS
[21:27] <SA6BSS> k
[21:28] <OZ7EMA> <SA6BSS> here the caracteristics
[21:28] <OZ7EMA> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33517598/titan1.pdf
[21:29] <OZ7EMA> balloon i s a Kaymont
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[21:30] <SA6BSS> interesting!
[21:32] <OZ7EMA> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33517598/payloadBox.pdf
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[21:32] <OZ7EMA> here you see the sensors
[21:32] <OZ7EMA> mostly preassure temp and light (vis + ir)
[21:32] <OZ7EMA> the best part i think is it imu
[21:33] <OZ7EMA> i hope to get some nice measurment of the earth magnetic field
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[21:36] <OZ7EMA> as well as on the spin accelartion during flight
[21:36] <SA6BSS> put the messurement in habhub pred. mostly it will land in water, just keep shecking, I guess its best to launch in a weekwnd. http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=13707ee6d8262a31adbdc48cac2a275b44462d5a
[21:37] <SA6BSS> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=13707ee6d8262a31adbdc48cac2a275b44462d5a
[21:39] <SA6BSS> good luck, keeping an eye out for it
[21:39] <OZ7EMA> today and also tomorrow would have been ok, but very cloudy and rainy...
[21:39] <OZ7EMA> I will let you know in time when i plan to launch!! :)
[21:40] <SA6BSS> yeah, its not fun searching for the payload in bad weather
[21:40] <SA6BSS> :)
[21:41] <OZ7EMA> true! more of i would like to see more on the images than just clouds
[21:41] <OZ7EMA> but maybe i will give up on that in a while
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[21:43] <OZ7EMA> good night
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[22:34] <esculca> Hi guys
[22:34] <esculca> esculca here
[22:35] <esculca> I just sent a launch annoucement for a lauch that will take place here in Portugal next Satudat
[22:35] <esculca> I sent the annoucement to the ukhas group
[22:36] <esculca> this annoucements are checked prior to flooding to everyone else=
[22:36] <esculca> I suppose so...
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[22:42] <craag> esculca: Yes, the list is moderated.
[22:42] <Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/30/facebook_internet_drone_737/
[22:42] <Laurenceb__> nice
[22:43] <esculca> ok, when will you guys review my message?
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[22:47] <craag> esculca: Most of the guys are asleep now, so I'm sure it'll be sorted by the morning :)
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[22:48] <esculca> thanks craag
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[22:48] <esculca> the lauch will be on saturday
[22:48] <esculca> laucnh
[22:48] <esculca> pardon, launch
[22:48] <craag> Cool, rtty?
[22:48] <esculca> rtty and lora
[22:49] <esculca> in my payload
[22:49] <esculca> the balloon will also carry a second payload
[22:49] <esculca> that one only transmitting rtty
[22:49] <craag> Nice
[22:49] <esculca> launch will happen in Portugal
[22:55] <craag> Probably won't be able to pick it up on my lora receiver then!
[22:55] <craag> Good luck!
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[22:58] <esculca> where are you on Saturday?
[23:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALLOONOLO-5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLOONOLO-5
[23:01] <craag> I'm in the UK
[23:03] <esculca> lora will reach the uk?
[23:03] <craag> Not without breaking some laws of physics
[23:03] <craag> (no)
[23:03] <craag> ;)
[23:04] <esculca> i thought you could be around
[23:05] <craag> ?
[23:08] <esculca> aound portugal or spain
[23:08] <esculca> ok
[23:08] <esculca> gotta go to sleep now
[23:10] <craag> Nope, not been down that way in a long while
[23:10] <craag> good night!
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