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[05:41] <SA6BSS> mfa298: ok, they do sugest to get an usb hub to connect you periferials and charger to du to the limited usb ports. the say that cpu is as power full as the first I3 so it should run ok with most radio sw
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[07:12] <edmoore> morning all
[07:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning edmoore
[07:12] <number10> morning
[07:13] <number10> how are you getting back from france edmoore, boat or eurotunnel?
[07:15] <edmoore> tunnel
[07:15] <edmoore> hopefully
[07:15] <number10> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/calais-situation-information-and-advice - gov say you may wish to consider alternative routes
[07:15] <edmoore> ferries are probs booked up for short notice
[07:16] <edmoore> yeah, though gov is mega cautious
[07:17] <edmoore> i think we'll just go for it. crossing is about 2pm, and most of the worst disruption seems to be at night and knocking onto the schedule into the morning
[07:17] <edmoore> that said will bring a hearty supply of brioche and fois gras incase we're in the car for a while
[07:17] <number10> good idea
[07:18] <edmoore> have, in the past, done a michael-bay during a chunnel fire and driven the few hours to l'havre while trying to book tickets for it on the phone
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[07:22] <number10> the ferry takes a fair bit longer from l'havre
[07:22] <edmoore> oh yes certainly
[07:22] <number10> option 3 could be to take another two weeks holiday
[07:22] <edmoore> ha
[07:22] <edmoore> not sure work would appreciate that
[07:23] <edmoore> 1) there's a backlog of stuff building up in my inbox that i'm refusing to check but some of it is reasonably important
[07:23] <edmoore> 2) my colleague James is waiting for a specific kind of honey from our local market
[07:23] <edmoore> which he got last time and used up v quickly, so i have got him two new large jars
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[07:26] <number10> French colleague at work is due home this weekend, he usually brings me back some cheese
[07:27] <number10> I doubt he has a cool box - so hope he doesnt get delayed - purely selfish reasons
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[07:31] <nats`> Cheese is not meant to be freezed :p
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[07:31] <edmoore> you can buy it at our local cheese place vacuum packed
[07:31] <edmoore> have done that a few times
[07:31] <number10> but it does go a bit off if its stuck in a car at 30 degrees
[07:32] <edmoore> yes
[07:32] <edmoore> but at least the off is contained
[07:32] <number10> yes..
[07:32] <edmoore> ever read the story about transporting an epoisses from liverpool to london on a busy train in Three Men in a Boat?
[07:32] <number10> no I havent read that
[07:32] <number10> is it funny
[07:36] <edmoore> yep
[07:36] <edmoore> the whole book is very funny, i think
[07:37] <number10> just looked at review - looks like worth a read
[07:40] <edmoore> it's funny
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[07:45] <x-f> it is a classic
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[08:38] <LunarMobile> Morning
[08:40] <Ian_> UK honey is going to be in short supply this year due to the wx. Large colonies are eating the crop as they haven't much in the way of stores coming in - cold wet weather. Shop early for Christmas
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[08:42] <LunarWork> hello
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[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5APQ_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5APQ_chase
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[10:12] <Hix> Ello all. Just been looking on Upu-mart. The RFM98W-433S2, is this just a higher powered version of the RFM12B? Are there differences with the code needed to get it running?
[10:13] <craag> Hix: The RFM98 is also capable of LoRa
[10:13] <craag> RFM69W is the direct replacement of RFM22B, only doing FSK.
[10:14] <craag> There are some subtle code differences depending on how you use it.
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[10:16] <Hix> cheers craag
[10:17] <craag> RFM98 has major code differences btw, but is still capable of RTTY.
[10:17] <craag> And the footprints are different between all of them :)
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[10:57] <garymortimer> Now then now then, afternoon all
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[11:00] <daveake> Pug recommendation please for http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=0cc10bd6ba254656b41c96b70920a04d67c7c5e6
[11:00] <daveake> Pub
[11:00] <daveake> not pug
[11:05] <nick_> daveake: from what I know of the area (parents and brother live there) the pubs aren't great, but they are cheap.
[11:06] <nick_> Which end is which?
[11:06] <daveake> Sw end is landing
[11:06] <daveake> er
[11:06] <daveake> SE
[11:07] <nick_> There are a few pubs in the Painswick area which have decent views over the valleys.
[11:07] <daveake> view = good
[11:07] <daveake> Might need somewhere to wait for the landing :)
[11:08] <nick_> One evening when I lived there a bunch of hot air balloons flew through the valley below me.
[11:09] <daveake> 2 small airports nearby so I might have to change something if the prediction stays like that
[11:09] <RealBorg> I wonder how many in here are also flying some model plane / quadcopter
[11:10] <nick_> If you're a plane nerd then there's a place not far away where jet engines were invented.
[11:10] <nick_> Now a tescos with a crappy pub next door.
[11:10] <garymortimer> I do
[11:10] <daveake> Should get some nice ssdv images of the Bristol channel
[11:10] <garymortimer> fly stuff realborg
[11:10] <daveake> I have some rc helis which I used to crash
[11:11] <daveake> currently not crashing them as currently they all need repair :/
[11:11] <RealBorg> garymortimer, what kind?
[11:11] <garymortimer> You actually drive through teh airfield teh jet flight took from on the M5
[11:11] <garymortimer> Oh, fixed wing quads and aircraft
[11:11] <garymortimer> anything ;-)
[11:12] <RealBorg> daveake, 2 helis which need repair, 2 helis and 2 quads operational
[11:12] <RealBorg> unfortunately the only heli with a cam needs repair
[11:12] <garymortimer> For pubs there is always teh air balloon up on teh hill but a bit naff
[11:12] <garymortimer> cor I can't the right
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[11:13] <daveake> yeah been past the air balloon lots
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[11:16] <garymortimer> One of my fav pubs is up there near you just need to mod the track a little, over by Kemble and the source of the Thames http://www.tunnelhouse.com/
[11:16] <RealBorg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYV7rfkK8YI <- not bad for a cheap 130€ helicopter
[11:16] <garymortimer> Don't worry about the gliding club if that is one of the airports you were thinking of
[11:17] <garymortimer> nice folks, Don Cameron used to balloon from there back in the day so say you are coming home
[11:17] <daveake> Cotswold airport
[11:17] <garymortimer> Great fast jets there and that pub.....
[11:17] <garymortimer> Used to be home to teh Arrows of course
[11:21] <garymortimer> Looking at that prediction waiting at the Tunnel House would be handsome http://www.tunnelhouse.com/ it is down a bit of a lane don't be deterred push through.
[11:31] <Laurenceb> http://www.atlantiksolar.ethz.ch/
[11:31] <Laurenceb> very impressive
[11:32] <Laurenceb> apparently it uses lithium ion
[11:32] <Laurenceb> very interesting
[11:33] <edmoore> that's v interesting
[11:33] <Laurenceb> I thought thatd be impossible lol
[11:33] <Laurenceb> wonder what the l/d is
[11:35] <edmoore> F/D sclaes a bit in your favour as you get smaller
[11:35] <Laurenceb> actually yeah
[11:35] <Laurenceb> I cant make it work on paper
[11:35] <Laurenceb> odd
[11:35] <edmoore> both with area/weight and with Re
[11:35] <edmoore> aerofoil science is all quite different at low Re
[11:36] <edmoore> well i guess the science is the same, but the shapre of aerofoils changes
[11:36] <edmoore> thickness can go right down
[11:36] <Laurenceb> I always thought you needed ~2MJ/Kg
[11:36] <Laurenceb> i see
[11:36] <edmoore> helps with form drag
[11:36] <garymortimer> QinetiQ Zephyr for the real how to, I was at Farnborough in 2010 when it broke the absolute duration record during the show and the Americans were not best please ;-) What I liked most about it was it was said to be fueled by real ale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GbIjALFSP4
[11:37] <edmoore> yes zephyr is cool
[11:37] <edmoore> i have wondered about lofting something to >60kft with a balloon
[11:37] <edmoore> and then letting it be there autonomously indefinitely
[11:38] <RealBorg> you'd probably loose H/He
[11:38] <Laurenceb> zephyr used ~2MJ/Kg Li Sulphur
[11:39] <Laurenceb> which makes a lot more sense from the structural margins etc pov
[11:39] <edmoore> RealBorg: ?
[11:40] <RealBorg> but I wonder what altitude you can reach by deploying a propulsion designed for high altitude / thin air
[11:40] <RealBorg> edmoore, you would loose gas
[11:41] <edmoore> well it just takes a lot of energy to get there
[11:41] <edmoore> i was thinking just lift to say 60,000ft
[11:41] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 60,000 ft = 18.3 km
[11:41] <edmoore> above CAA permissions
[11:41] <edmoore> and with an aerofoil designed for that kind of Re
[11:42] <RealBorg> I wonder how you would calculate the energy provided by floatation
[11:43] <edmoore> floating doesn't use energy
[11:43] <edmoore> it's just the work done by the balloon to lift that mass against gravity (and drag)
[11:43] <edmoore> it's an easy sum, and when you do it you'll see it's actually quite a lot!
[11:43] <edmoore> where does it come from? nuclear decay!
[11:43] <edmoore> well for helium anyway
[11:44] <garymortimer> I think less is more in these high alt gliders
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[11:55] <RealBorg> edmoore, I guess hydrogen can do more "work" when used for floating than for burning
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[11:56] <edmoore> no
[11:58] <Laurenceb> lun to newtonian mechanics
[11:58] <Laurenceb> there is no energy cost to floating
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[11:59] <edmoore> when burning (with oxygen) hydrogen has an energy density of about 130MJ/kg
[12:00] <edmoore> but if you get say 1 m^3 of hydrogen to loft about 1kg of payload to 30km, that's (ignoring drag) about 300kJ
[12:00] <edmoore> (per kg)
[12:00] <edmoore> so it's a lot less
[12:01] <Laurenceb> https://www.shoeboxcompressor.com/
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> 'why light gas rises' is a fun problem to consider at the microscopic level though
[12:01] <Laurenceb> hmm interesting point
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[12:11] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: i used to sometimes give a macro version is a question for 1st yrs
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[12:11] <edmoore> just to get them to realise that there really is a significant pressure gradient across a, say, party balloon
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[12:19] <RealBorg> I use it to explain why anti-gravity is not possible
[12:20] <RealBorg> -> weightless air would be pushed up
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[12:33] <LunarWork> stormdrifter II duration test 1 is on!
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[12:45] <Laurenceb> interesting
[12:45] <Laurenceb> http://www.professionalplastics.com/Borotron-Borated-Polyetheylene
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[12:59] <LunarWork> be back later :)
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[13:06] <SA6BSS> I'm shocked a hc49 crystall weights more then a solar cell .51 vs .48 g !
[13:08] <fsphil> less fragile
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[17:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UVG _chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UVG%20_chase
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[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K2JJI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K2JJI-11
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[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5APQ_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5APQ_chase
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[19:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03xa_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=xa_chase
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[21:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TROUPYS after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TROUPYS
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[21:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[22:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BONZO8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BONZO8
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[22:34] <SA6BSS> installed win 10 today, all looks good, had to reinstall zagid rtl driver and hamradiodelux 5 dows not work , will try to reinstall, but everything else works as dl-fldigi all sdr programs, sdr# , sdr-console hdsdr
[22:48] <fsphil> is it more win8 or win7?
[22:49] <SA6BSS> well, I still have not seen any metro at all
[22:50] <SA6BSS> so more win7
[22:50] <fsphil> ah nice
[22:50] <SA6BSS> hmm, I guess metro is in there somewere but no sign of it :)
[22:54] <SA6BSS> kvirc, spectrumlabs, wspr , vlc , rar and so on all work great, gad to tweek the theme but it was done in 2 min from the settings, and qrome got so bright I had to get a darker theme for that
[22:54] <SA6BSS> *chrome
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[22:58] <SA6BSS> played with it for 45min and I must say I realy like it ! :)
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