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[02:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd7vlb2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd7vlb2_chase
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[05:16] <TTK> hello, is anyone around?
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[05:37] <Maxell> TTK, nope.
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[07:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LORA1 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA1
[07:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PISKY after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
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[09:44] <LunarWork> hello
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL6JOS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL6JOS-11
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[12:52] <Laurenceb> this looks very nice http://www.ti.com/product/CC1310/description
[12:53] <Laurenceb> but no full spec yet
[12:53] <Laurenceb> crazy low power
[12:53] <mattbrejza> is that the dsss one?
[12:53] <Laurenceb> yes
[12:53] <Laurenceb> *FSK too
[12:54] <Laurenceb> * 8FSK
[12:54] <mattbrejza> there is a microchip part with 3mA rx current
[12:54] <Laurenceb> wow
[12:54] <mattbrejza> if the 2.5mA makes a difference
[12:54] <Laurenceb> heh
[12:54] <mattbrejza> mrf89
[12:54] <mattbrejza> it needs a saw filter on the front for image rejection though
[12:55] <mattbrejza> anyway, looks like lora now have some competition
[12:55] <mattbrejza> *has
[12:56] <Laurenceb> yes
[12:56] <Laurenceb> but 1310 sensitivity looks to be ~5dB off silabs
[12:58] <mattbrejza> but interference mitigation, multiuser, and no need for tcxo are all in 1310's favour?
[12:58] <Laurenceb> i guess
[12:58] <Laurenceb> i dont know about no need for tcxo
[12:58] <Laurenceb> silabs can do a few ppm pull in with fixed AFC
[12:59] <mattbrejza> i would have thought crystal accuracy would be relaxed?
[12:59] <mattbrejza> is this the afc that you took 3months to get working?
[12:59] <Laurenceb> yes lol
[13:00] <mattbrejza> also if there is an interferer near by it could screw things up
[13:00] <Laurenceb> AFC wise?
[13:00] <mattbrejza> yea
[13:00] <Laurenceb> thats what i was fixing
[13:00] <mattbrejza> ah
[13:01] <Laurenceb> narrowband sources with no packet header are ignored now
[13:01] <mattbrejza> should have been like that in the first place...
[13:01] <Laurenceb> yes
[13:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
[13:02] <Laurenceb> there is "DSA" on the C revision
[13:02] <Laurenceb> but its very goofy
[13:03] <Laurenceb> so i used normal AFC and reset it if no headed packet arrives
[13:04] <mattbrejza> hmm
[13:04] <Laurenceb> i also use the channel feature
[13:04] <Laurenceb> so it jumps channel if it gets persistent noise in the current channel
[13:05] <Laurenceb> channels are spaced larger than the AFC pull in range
[13:05] <mattbrejza> then it just has to let the other side know its done that
[13:05] <Laurenceb> yeah atm its manual
[13:05] <Laurenceb> as payload Tx is on the same channel
[13:06] <Laurenceb> so you check the spectrum at the ground side
[13:06] <Laurenceb> and enter "C, <number>" in the upload terminal
[13:06] <mattbrejza> anyway, seeing as we can easily get >1kbps with lora, using the SI part with AFC might work quite well too for ssdv stuff
[13:07] <Laurenceb> i worry about lora over built up areas
[13:07] <Laurenceb> Ti are right when they say its wide with very poor co channel rejection
[13:07] <Darkside> and GFSK is going to be better?
[13:08] <mattbrejza> well works pretty well for hab, but not sure 'internet of things'
[13:09] <Darkside> i would think the frequency diversity would elp
[13:09] <Darkside> help*
[13:11] <mattbrejza> i dont really think the spectrum or standards are in place for iot
[13:11] <mattbrejza> lets see if they can get something together before 5G
[13:16] <Laurenceb> GFSK loses you about 1dB relative to 2FSK in an AWGN channel
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[13:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HL1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HL1
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd7vlb2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd7vlb2_chase
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MONDO-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-13
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[13:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK3SB-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-9
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[14:21] <Laurenceb> http://www.suasnews.com/2015/07/37365/hableg-high-altitude-balloon-launched-experimental-glider/
[14:21] <Laurenceb> very nice
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[14:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd7vlb_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd7vlb_chase
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[15:36] <Hix> ello -my ears burned :) sentintospace.com linking to my old site I see :D
[15:37] <Hix> Bit out of touch with HAB but are these GPS chips in use now? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13670?utm_source=SparkFun+Customer+Newsletter&utm_campaign=909233ddba-July_24thNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fa5287abaf-909233ddba-62038685
[15:39] <mattbrejza> na still ublox stuff
[15:39] <mattbrejza> we're now at MAX8
[15:39] <mattbrejza> glonass+GPS, pretty low current
[15:39] <mattbrejza> also upu has them for £11 or so
[15:39] <Upu> its true
[15:39] <Hix> that SF item was Max7 based and pretty small at 35.7mm
[15:39] <Upu> if you ask nicely I'm not allowed to advertise it
[15:40] <Hix> whoa they dropped. What antennae are used these days Upu? Sarantel died iirc
[15:40] <Upu> well funny you should mention that
[15:40] <Upu> I'm currently indiscussions with the company that bought Sarantel's IP
[15:40] <Upu> they are making them again
[15:41] <Hix> I'm tempted to change my .doc they're linking to, to a blatant ad for Highaltitude / Stve / Upu :D
[15:41] <Hix> oh cool
[15:41] <Upu> yes please do :)
[15:41] <Upu> actually just redirect it to the wiki
[15:41] <Upu> which has the correct doc
[15:41] <Upu> I'm getting some samples sent next week
[15:41] <Upu> but
[15:41] <Hix> cheeky beggars, they're a professional site (money)
[15:41] <Upu> chip antenna works fine
[15:42] <Upu> s/professional/
[15:42] <mattbrejza> send them an invoice for the bandwidth
[15:42] <Upu> really cheeky doing that
[15:42] <Hix> :D - oh, gotta go. I'll pop back more often.
[15:42] <Upu> laters
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[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAMTEST - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAMTEST
[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-14 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-14
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[16:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PISKY after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9EAF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9EAF-11
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[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM7
[19:17] <Mark_B> Good evening
[19:18] <Upu> Evening
[19:18] <Mark_B> Hi Upu, how you doing?
[19:18] <Upu> not bad happy its Friday :)
[19:18] <Mark_B> You and me both ;)
[19:18] <Mark_B> Can I get a flight doc approved for tomorrow please?
[19:19] <Upu> certainly
[19:19] <Upu> got the flight doc id ?
[19:19] <Mark_B> 486086d6d9632cf24e25ba49a0aced5b
[19:19] <Upu> [20:19] <SpacenearUS> Upu: Flight MM7 (486086d6d9632cf24e25ba49a0aced5b) has been approved! Good luck
[19:19] <Mark_B> Top! thanks
[19:19] <Mark_B> You flying this weekend?
[19:20] <Upu> nope daveake is though
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[19:20] <Mark_B> rgr, I'll keep my eyes peeled
[19:21] <Mark_B> Thanks for your help. Have a good weekend
[19:22] <Upu> nps have fun
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[20:16] <Ian_> Accommodation arranged for Conf - Ibis
[20:16] <fsphil> yay!
[20:19] <Laurenceb__> is there an official timetable yet?
[20:21] <Ian_> Check the top of the page - top right - program has been updated
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> ah cool
[20:23] <Laurenceb__> yay proper times
[20:24] <Laurenceb__> 10 years?!
[20:24] <Laurenceb__> i thought it was 9
[20:24] <Laurenceb__> i guess there were launches in 2005, but it wasnt really UKHAS proper until 2006?
[20:28] <edmoore> i guess Laurenceb__
[20:28] <Laurenceb__> 9 rounds up to 10 :P
[20:29] <Laurenceb__> hmm now i have to generate 30minutes of slides...
[20:29] <edmoore> well peg1 was 2005
[20:29] <edmoore> so simple as
[20:29] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[20:29] <Ian_> After 9 you are in your 10th
[20:29] <edmoore> that counts
[20:29] <edmoore> a decade of jcoxon
[20:29] <Laurenceb__> me and Chris Rose were discussing stuff in ~2003
[20:29] <Laurenceb__> but nothing got built
[20:30] <edmoore> i suspect there was probably a lot of never-quite-happened stuff
[20:30] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[20:30] <edmoore> i think steve got close substantially earlier
[20:31] <Laurenceb__> back then i was dead set on using a mobile
[20:31] <Laurenceb__> got an ericsson t-26
[20:31] <Laurenceb__> but then GCSEs happened :P
[20:32] <edmoore> i saw it in 2005 i think
[20:32] <edmoore> on some webpage
[20:32] <Laurenceb__> yeah i emailed jcoxon in 2005
[20:32] <Laurenceb__> I thought he had cancer lol
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> sent me an email back talking about chemotherapy
[20:33] <jcoxon> Laurenceb__ i did have cancer!
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> ...
[20:33] <Laurenceb__> sorry
[20:33] <jcoxon> haha
[20:33] <edmoore> yes he wasn't making that up
[20:33] <edmoore> you were a decade free on your stag iirc
[20:33] <jcoxon> its no worries
[20:34] <Laurenceb__> well I'm glad you got better heh
[20:34] <jcoxon> yes indeed i am, fully discharged
[20:34] <Laurenceb__> I remeber I was shoked when i got your email, then i realised you were a medic
[20:34] <jcoxon> i don't miss my skinhead days
[20:34] <Laurenceb__> and thought id got horribly confused
[20:34] <jcoxon> i don't look good bald
[20:34] <Laurenceb__> yeah you look 100% a ok
[20:35] <edmoore> do you have any bald pictures of you to hand?
[20:35] <Laurenceb__> so thats bad news.. followed by very good news :D
[20:36] <jcoxon> edmoore, there are a few
[20:36] <jcoxon> i pretty much avoided cameras...
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