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[00:53] <SpeedEvil> new horizons carrier lock
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[00:54] <adamgreig> telemetry lock
[00:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:55] <SpeedEvil> Not gone spang at least
[00:59] <SpeedEvil> And everything OK
[01:00] <adamgreig> hurray
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[07:28] <fsphil> should get the first images later today
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[07:59] <LunarWork> hello
[08:03] <fsphil> morning
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[08:07] <lz1dev> fsphil: when do we get pics from the notplanet
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[08:13] <lz1dev> .ping ps-46
[08:13] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03PS-46 was 03a day ago
[08:18] <daveake> https://twitter.com/DavidBerthold/status/621152354310619140
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[08:22] <lz1dev> this is not the planet you are looking for
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[08:29] <x-f> oh, so it's very similar to Mimas - http://www.allmystery.de/i/t541af5_435_mimas.jpg
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[08:33] <fsphil> lz1dev: next downlink is 11:00-ish UTC
[08:33] <fsphil> that will include images of pluto and charon
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03???_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=%3F%3F%3F_chase
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[08:50] <LunarWork> NH called back
[08:50] <LunarWork> we made it
[08:50] <LunarWork> :D
[08:51] <daveake> Nice one LW I knew we could rely on you :p
[08:54] <fsphil> now onto the next kuiper belt object
[08:54] <day> fsphil: they target one? :o
[08:55] <fsphil> yep
[08:55] <day> i guess that explains the 12500km flyby
[08:55] <day> did nhorizons pick up speed during the encounter?
[08:55] <fsphil> they found some potential targets with hubble. which surprised me, I doubt NH can change its course too much
[08:55] <fsphil> pluto will have had very little effect on its speed
[08:56] <day> fsphil: hm i think with plutos gravitation it shouldnt be too hard to get a decent trajectory change.
[08:56] <Vaizki> day, what do you mean it explains the flyby? they wanted pictures of pluto so of course they flew by?
[08:57] <day> Vaizki: sure but why 12500km
[08:57] <fsphil> yea it was always going to be a flyby
[08:57] <fsphil> because if it had been slower, we'd have to have waited another 10 years to get there
[08:58] <fsphil> the targets beyond pluto are just bonus. they didn't even know they existed until last year
[08:58] <Vaizki> yea and staying in orbit would probably have been risky especially since they probably don't know enough about the system to precalculate an orbit
[08:58] <fsphil> less risky than orbiting a comet :)
[08:58] <fsphil> but it would have taken sooooo long to get there
[08:58] <Vaizki> yea well the comet doesn't have drunk moons :)
[08:59] <day> maybe it does
[08:59] <fsphil> the moons orbits are well known. they just spin a bit oddly
[08:59] <edmoore> i just don't see how you could practically enter a plutonian orbit
[08:59] <Vaizki> yea and the #1 priority is to get the data back to earth
[08:59] <edmoore> you'd need like 2-3 decades and a huge amount of energy onboard to feed some kind of electric propulsion system
[08:59] <fsphil> getting into orbit around mercury was tricky enough -- and that's much closer
[08:59] <Vaizki> risking that for an orbit doesn't make sense
[09:00] <day> some aerobreaking will do the trick
[09:00] <edmoore> for pluto?
[09:00] <day> *hold my bear*
[09:00] <edmoore> no
[09:00] <day> beer
[09:00] <fsphil> you could probably do a few orbits inside plutos atmosphere
[09:00] <Vaizki> I got this - I'm from the internet. Now hand over that joystick, I am Elite,
[09:00] <day> at 9km/s :D
[09:00] <day> well its wrapped in kapton
[09:01] <day> so it should be ok
[09:01] <day> Vaizki: if it goes wrong, you can always blame it on lag
[09:02] <Vaizki> yea, horrible ping
[09:02] <fsphil> nuclear powered ion drive would be quite neat
[09:03] <Vaizki> NH was PLUTOnium powered right?
[09:03] <day> if the emdrive thing turns out to be real....
[09:03] <fsphil> yea
[09:03] <Vaizki> emdrive card played!
[09:04] <fsphil> has an RTG keeping it nice and warm
[09:04] <edmoore> you'd need a lot more rtg than NH's rtg
[09:04] <edmoore> i did some very rough napkin sums
[09:04] <edmoore> you're out by one-two orders of mag
[09:04] <fsphil> the RTG currently generates about 200W
[09:04] <day> the generator on board is weak
[09:04] <fsphil> ah, it was a spair from Cassini
[09:04] <fsphil> spare*
[09:05] <edmoore> yes - i think you'd need a few kW running some kind of electric propulsion system
[09:05] <day> wait it was?
[09:05] <edmoore> to keep the trip inside the 2-3 decade mark
[09:05] <day> no one cared they launched it? :D
[09:05] <day> there was a giant 'stop cassini movement' back then
[09:05] <day> they postulated a nuclear nightmare if the rocket fails :P
[09:06] <Vaizki> people are idiots when i comes to nukes
[09:06] <fsphil> nobody complained when apollo 13 dumped an RTG in the ocean :)
[09:07] <day> 'out of sight, out of mind'
[09:07] <Vaizki> well a) it was officially never found and b) where they claimed it landed there is no radiation :)
[09:07] <Vaizki> cue consipiracies!
[09:08] <Vaizki> I think it's in the Tonga trench or something
[09:08] <Vaizki> the fish are already weird there
[09:08] <fsphil> fish are weird in general
[09:08] <day> but mostly tasty
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[09:21] <gonzo_> did the apollo missions use RTGs? I thoughtbthey were using fuel cells?
[09:21] <fsphil> one of the experiments intended to be left on the surface used an rtg
[09:22] <fsphil> was still onboard 13 when it came back
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[09:22] <gonzo_> How was it dumped? I would have thopught it would still ne in/on the CM that was recovered?
[09:23] <fsphil> it was on the lunar module
[09:24] <fsphil> it burned up, the RTG was designed to survive that so should have fallen intact
[09:24] <fsphil> someine in the pacific ocean
[09:24] <fsphil> somewhere*
[09:24] <fsphil> typing not my thing today. or ever
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[09:32] <gonzo_> not much they could do about that then. Sitting under the debris with a big net could be tricky
[09:32] <fsphil> mmm
[09:32] <gonzo_> there was the russian sat that burned up over canada, leaving a trail of contam about 1000km long
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[09:45] <Vaizki> we used to have almost a hundred rtg-powered lighthouses on the baltic coast of russia i.e. right in our neighbourhood
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[09:46] <Vaizki> I think they still have some left up there on the arctic sea coast
[09:46] <Vaizki> apparently the local village idiots have learned that stealing and dismantling them is a bad idea
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[09:49] <gonzo_> hehe, a very direct lesson in natural selection
[09:51] <Vaizki> I think it's a bit sad that the sourthernmost lighthouse in Finland for example.. it's now just a solar charged battery bank and xenon flash afaik
[09:52] <Vaizki> the old huge prism + gas flame assembly is still up there but next to it is a bucket-sized plastic light that actually blinks :)
[09:53] <Vaizki> http://www.vastavalo.fi/albums/userpics/19344/normal_DSC_8985.jpg
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[10:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHEN1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHEN1
[10:05] <gonzo_> shame to see all that engineering becone obsolete. But that;'s progress
[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hope everybody has updated MS before tracking today!
[10:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> tracker prediction looks interesting ? wonder what the parameters are!
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Steve' live strean is up http://randomaerospace.com/LiveHAB/LiveHAB_Splash/Welcome.html
[10:11] <gonzo_> MS?
[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> MICROSOFT
[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Update Tuesday
[10:12] <Vaizki> gonzo_, at least they didn't rip it out but left it for future generations to see...
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> chase vehicles will no doubt force an update just as they start!
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[10:14] <Vaizki> well actually that is not the original prism, the first one was blown apart by russian artillery
[10:14] <edmoore> lol
[10:14] <Vaizki> I have a shard at my summer cabin, picked up in the 70's
[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHEN2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHEN2
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[10:26] <chimpusmaximus> Hi, is the live stream actually running? I just get the last one from Saturday.
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> It is here
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> the page hasn't been updated but the images are todays I believe!
[10:28] <chimpusmaximus> mm i still see my car in background in mine..
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Maybe it is then
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Chris in green tee shirt and some one else in white and Steve in red
[10:30] <chimpusmaximus> Yeah beleive that was saturday
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mumm might be last weeks all launchs look much the same!
[10:30] <chimpusmaximus> hehe
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes if I run the Mouse across it comes up with the title !
[10:35] <gonzo_> I never did turn updates onb. Just install xp sp3 and run
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[11:07] <fsphil> your machine is so vulnerable right now :)
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[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> There up
[11:09] <RocketBoy> there up
[11:09] <RocketBoy> yeah
[11:09] <fsphil> they're up
[11:09] <edmoore> thanks
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[11:13] <luteijn|pc1pcl> !dial SHEN1
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn|pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03SHEN1 10(b3b0): 03434.34795 MHz, 434.3476 MHz, 434.348 MHz
[11:13] <luteijn|pc1pcl> !dial SHEN2
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn|pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03SHEN2 10(dab9): 03434.66 MHz
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[11:21] <PE2G> !dial SHEN2
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03SHEN2 10(dab9): 03434.66 MHz, 434.7484 MHz
[11:24] <daveake> Suppose I should add an image-rotate option to the pits s/w :/
[11:24] <mattbrejza> just blame jonny
[11:24] <daveake> :)
[11:25] <fsphil> lol
[11:25] <fsphil> last one was 90 deg, now we've gone to 180
[11:25] <daveake> ÙÙÙ ‡d1yTs Ýe‡ ‡1pÝ ‡sn8 pßnoT ŽÝe‡
[11:26] <daveake> Also been meaning to add some imagemagick options for doing overlays
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[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial shen1
[11:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03SHEN1 10(b3b0): 03434.3476 MHz, 434.34795 MHz, 434.348 MHz
[11:26] <chimpusmaximus> Its not like your using anything to complicated other than needing to add -vf -hf
[11:27] <chimpusmaximus> overlays would be nice
[11:27] <daveake> I did it for a flight a while back, but the flight never happened
[11:28] <adamgreig> daveake: is there a flight doc and etc for tomorrow's launch?
[11:28] <adamgreig> well i mean, I don't see one on the calendar
[11:28] <daveake> not seen a flight doc yet but there are payload docs
[11:28] <daveake> I'll remind him now
[11:28] <adamgreig> ok
[11:29] <adamgreig> not the end of the world, I can always approve them live ;)
[11:29] <chimpusmaximus> daveake: do we have any details for setting up listening gateway eg modes
[11:29] <Herman_> shift 850 is ok for shen 1 and 2 ??
[11:29] <daveake> he's sending those to me soon
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[11:29] <chimpusmaximus> ok
[11:29] <daveake> haha adamgreig :)
[11:29] <adamgreig> would not be the first time
[11:30] <daveake> oh, did use imagemagick it once ... that floater that added country flags as it passed borders
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[11:31] <daveake> no images from shen1 ?
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> just seeing them on the wf looks like both should be images
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[11:32] <daveake> none on habhub from shen1 since image 1
[11:33] <daveake> Perhaps the camera was pulled loose
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[11:35] <chimpusmaximus> Just thinking back to Saturday and COPA1. I lost my payload and would like to understand what i could do diff next time. I did notice that i was not getting very good accent. When i released it it went up pretty fast felt and actually thought my neck lift might have been to much.
[11:36] <mattbrejza> well what ascent did you aim for and what did you get?
[11:36] <chimpusmaximus> would very high winds dragging it out to the east have affect on any accent. I was expecting about 5m/s and struggled to hit 4
[11:37] <adamgreig> more gas less mass
[11:37] <chimpusmaximus> but was getting up to 50m/s out to the east
[11:37] <adamgreig> how did you measure the gas fill?
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[11:37] <adamgreig> (ie, how did you know when you had enough gas in it?)
[11:37] Nick change: trnv2 -> trn
[11:37] <chimpusmaximus> water filled bottle.
[11:38] Nick change: Herman_ -> Herman-PB0AHX
[11:38] <adamgreig> and then neutral bouyancy?
[11:38] <chimpusmaximus> so calculated 1kg neck lift, - 350g for filler and 650g water bottle
[11:38] <adamgreig> buoyancy even
[11:38] <adamgreig> right
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup SHEN1 is mainly teleletry rather than images
[11:39] <adamgreig> was it a bit windy at launch?
[11:39] <adamgreig> it's often very hard to quite judge neutral buoyancy and 1kg neck lift doesn't sound like very much..
[11:39] <chimpusmaximus> it was pretty still on the ground so was easy to check
[11:39] <adamgreig> interesting
[11:39] <adamgreig> well, you'd hope that would work out
[11:39] <adamgreig> what balloon was it?
[11:40] <chimpusmaximus> Hwoyee HY-500
[11:41] <chimpusmaximus> 400g payload in total.
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[11:42] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Herman-PB0AHX: looks more to be 900 than 850 to me
[11:44] <adamgreig> including parachute?
[11:45] <chimpusmaximus> yes
[11:45] <chimpusmaximus> if anything it might have been 10g under that.
[11:45] <adamgreig> wonder if the drag estimate for the smaller balloon is off
[11:46] <mattbrejza> our smaller balloon went up slower than expected iirc
[11:47] <mattbrejza> could compare to http://astra-planner.soton.ac.uk/
[11:48] <adamgreig> lol their calculator
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[11:50] <adamgreig> theirs is so slow! but also looks remarkably similar to the prototype new cusf predictor >.>
[11:50] <adamgreig> it's very slick except for the slow part
[11:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> luteijn|pc1pcl: hier also more near 900
[11:50] <adamgreig> wonder what their ascent model is like
[11:51] <mattbrejza> read the paper lol
[11:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> luteijn|pc1pcl: u are listening also on 2 mtr some ware?
[11:51] <adamgreig> yea i did when they wrote it
[11:51] <daveake> adamgreig Could you approve 24ed2325b1b18091f4a8af9d194c5d73 please ?
[11:51] <adamgreig> done
[11:51] <daveake> tvm
[11:53] <mattbrejza> also a 15page conference paper :S
[11:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> luteijn|pc1pcl: i am also listening on 145.325 wirh a porto
[11:56] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Herman-PB0AHX: normally not, but I'll grab a porto.
[11:56] <PE2G> Very good signal from SHEN2. Green SSDV decoding from -0.4 deg elev. Have never seen this before.
[11:56] <PE2G> http://s27.postimg.org/pndkhpzf7/Screen_15_07_15_13_53_36.png
[11:57] <luteijn|pc1pcl> PE2G: was quite visible over the horizon on the waterfall here, but no decodes on my probably suboptimal setup.
[11:59] <PE2G> Normally, I get green 300 bd SSDV decoding well above the horizon
[12:01] <luteijn|pc1pcl> PE2G: maybe the bands of good/bad weather going over the sea and .nl help out.
[12:01] <PE2G> Could well be the case, luteijn|pc1pcl
[12:01] <mattbrejza> there seems to still be packet loss despite multiple recievers
[12:02] <mattbrejza> seems there is room for improvment
[12:02] <mattbrejza> for starters the shift doesnt look like to be a multiple of the baud rate
[12:03] <luteijn|pc1pcl> shift is about 900, or at least, that's what I set it to when I left the shack,
[12:05] <mattbrejza> so it is
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[12:06] <mattbrejza> those null points in the middle are 300 apart so yea its fine
[12:07] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Guess the missing packets all got hit by interference (QRN?) near the balloon, so effect more or less the same on all receivers, compared to the usual effects of local QRN/QRM?
[12:07] <mattbrejza> i think its due to the signal from the balloon itself rather than any interference
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Signals local to the balloon do not propagate to you - unless the balloon is very low
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> And you'd pick them up anyway
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> signals don't reflect off the balloon and be interfered with
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> ^be able to interfere when you couldn't pick them up before.
[12:09] <chimpusmaximus> ASTRA planner gives some varied results, certainly shows a risk of water touchdown.
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> (neglecting bistatic radar type effects, which will generally be negligible
[12:11] <Herman-PB0AHX> writing Funcube-1 now for a wile
[12:11] <fsphil> the missing packets could be reduced a bit if ssdv packets where interleaved
[12:12] <daveake> unusual to be missing any
[12:12] <daveake> maybe swinging around a bit
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[12:12] <fsphil> yea. wobbly antenna
[12:12] <daveake> plenty of receivers
[12:13] <fsphil> interleaving would make it difficult mixing images with telemetry though
[12:13] <mattbrejza> needs ARQ :P
[12:13] <daveake> oh, what exactly do you mean by interleaving then?
[12:13] <fsphil> it sends two or more packets at the same time
[12:13] <fsphil> with some overlap
[12:13] <daveake> ok
[12:14] <fsphil> burst errors get spread out between packets
[12:15] <fsphil> so rather than dropping 18 bytes in a packet, it might become 9 errors in two packets
[12:15] <fsphil> which the RS codes could handle
[12:16] <fsphil> but yes, some form of ARQ would be super :)
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[12:24] <PE2G> I don't see any SSDV packet loss in dl-fldigi. Packet IDs count up without any missing packet ID numbers and without reds
[12:24] <fsphil> are your images complete?
[12:25] <PE2G> Havent checked that yet
[12:25] <luteijn|pc1pcl> View->SSDV RX
[12:26] <PE2G> Images do show missing parts
[12:27] <PE2G> Exactly the same parts of the img are missing on the ssdv.habhub.org
[12:27] <fsphil> something odd going on at the payload side
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[12:30] <fsphil> anyone decoding it, does it seem to be transmitting those missing packets, or just skipping past them?
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[12:33] <luteijn|pc1pcl> fsphil: my reception is not reliable enough to tell.
[12:34] <g8jfg> I'm getting more packet loss than normal, obviously I'm not decoding the lost packets seen on the ssdv live images page
[12:34] <mattbrejza> lost two so far, but the lost one are still too infrequent for me to notice
[12:35] <luteijn|pc1pcl> anyway signal strength varies along with the sinusoid drift here,
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[12:35] <g8jfg> BUT there is qrm right on .750
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[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
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[12:45] <PE2G> Identical missing img parts: http://s8.postimg.org/sew0geotx/Screen_15_07_15_14_42_54.png
[12:45] <mattbrejza> fsphil: in ssdv are the bits interleaved just before sending over the air?
[12:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> All the ones I'm seeing are here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/SHEN2_20150715/ much lower than normal decode rate as well.
[12:45] <mattbrejza> or is it <image data><RS data>
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[13:11] <fsphil> mattbrejza: they're not interleaved at all at the moment
[13:12] <fsphil> yea the RS data is just appended to the end of the packet
[13:13] <mattbrejza> hmm would be interesting to see what difference that makes
[13:13] <mattbrejza> having said tht i have some code so we can find out
[13:14] <mattbrejza> any idea what n and k are for your RS code?
[13:16] <PE2G> SHENs burst
[13:17] <fsphil> n = 255, k =223
[13:17] <fsphil> interleaving the RS codes with the data would make no difference
[13:18] <fsphil> *I believe would make no difference
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[13:19] <mattbrejza> well if it does itll have less of an effect than turbo codes and the like
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[13:28] <garymortimer> afternoon all, solar powered communications from this part of South Africa, 5.5 hours without power now as country has run out of diesel for emergency generators and has failed to maintain system for 20 years. Gripe ends
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Oops
[13:30] <gonzo_> doing well to still be online then
[13:30] <gonzo_> adapt and overcome
[13:31] <garymortimer> love the aircraft and shadow on the earth pic to the West of chase current position, yeah have to make sure the web stays up its how I work! Solar is getting cheaper though bring on the Chinese knock off Tesla batteries (well not knocked off cos its open source)
[13:32] <gonzo_> at least you have lots of sun!
[13:32] <garymortimer> its the tug coming home, the glider is in flight by SW runway end
[13:33] <garymortimer> we do indeed, almost so much that we could have solar farms instead of spending 1 trillion rand on new nuclear power stations from the Russians
[13:33] <garymortimer> SE runway end, the other SW
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[13:34] <luteijn|pc1pcl> you'd expect lots more private initiatives to arrange power independent from the state run utility, but I guess there's laws and practical consideratins in the way?
[13:36] <garymortimer> Not enough money in the back pocket, Cape Town is considering going independent from the government supplier
[13:36] <garymortimer> we get almost daily power outs of two hours but this one is taking the mick
[13:38] <fsphil> Cape City
[13:39] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Kaapstad ;)
[13:40] <garymortimer> Yep ;-)
[13:41] <garymortimer> Shen2 will be not far from the home of the Pulham Pigs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNAS_Pulham
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[13:42] <garymortimer> This would be the pub if they did'nt have to go back for the other one http://www.thecrowninn-pulham.co.uk/
[13:43] <daveake> I hope you're around tomorrow to give me live pub advice during my flight :)
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[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wonder if the payload is Pig proof!
[13:46] <gonzo_> I think the internet and mobile data has come of age. Someone in SA givinbg pub advice to someone driving around suffolk!
[13:47] <daveake> past the a140 that's good :)
[13:47] <daveake> lol gonzo_
[13:48] <garymortimer> I will Dave I will!
[13:48] <fsphil> this is the reason it was invented
[13:49] <daveake> nice field landing there
[13:49] <daveake> (if it made it to a tree Steve would still be receiving)
[13:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Bbbcb_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Bbbcb_chase
[13:50] <garymortimer> shem1 for the pig farm?
[13:51] <daveake> shen1 is probably in someone's garden
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Bbbbb_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Bbbbb_chase
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite a fast descent for shen1
[13:51] <daveake> yes
[13:52] <daveake> Steve receiving again now
[13:58] <garymortimer> I have decided on balance I would visit this one to celebrate http://www.angel-larling.co.uk/home
[13:59] <daveake> What we need now is a flight predictor that tells you what flight parameters you want in order to land near a good pub
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[14:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RAJ-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RAJ-2
[14:02] <garymortimer> That to me should ave been the first order of business
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[14:17] <sq5kvs> Hi!
[14:21] <ibanezmatt13> afternoon
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[14:29] <fsphil> ello
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[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MGSP_ONE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MGSP_ONE
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[15:20] <fsphil> new raw images
[15:20] <fsphil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/data/pluto/level2/lor/jpeg/029912/lor_0299124574_0x632_sci_1.jpg
[15:20] <fsphil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/data/pluto/level2/lor/jpeg/029907/lor_0299075349_0x632_sci_1.jpg
[15:21] <ibanezmatt13> have they released the one that was closest during the flyby?
[15:21] <fsphil> not yet
[15:21] <ibanezmatt13> that should be good
[15:22] <fsphil> some images should've been received earlier today, to be released tonight
[15:22] <ibanezmatt13> excellent
[15:23] <fsphil> looking forward to seeing the photos from while it was eclipsed
[15:23] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> The eclipse photos are not closest approach
[15:25] <fsphil> yep
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Closest approach are due for downlink tonight - ~0.4km resolution
[15:25] <fsphil> ooh the white patches are snow
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> (three of them)
[15:26] <fsphil> it snows on pluto. that's neat
[15:26] <adamgreig> SpeedEvil: is that full res or compressed?
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[15:26] <adamgreig> fsphil: water snow?
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> adamgreig: AIUI, they are raw
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> adamgreig: no
[15:26] <adamgreig> was going to say :P
[15:26] <adamgreig> what does it snow on pluto?
[15:26] <fsphil> adamgreig: "Nitrogen, Carbon Monoxide or Methane snow. Probably in some combination yet to be determined"
[15:26] <daveake> nitrogen and methane
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> NO
[15:26] <adamgreig> terrifying
[15:27] <russss> do not eat the snow
[15:27] <fsphil> red snow
[15:27] <fsphil> worse than yellow snow
[15:28] <Interoth> ULA rocket launch carrying a new GPS satellite in like 20 min http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx
[15:28] <fsphil> so if it snows, that means there should be clouds
[15:28] <fsphil> or where clouds
[15:30] <adamgreig> good polling
[15:30] <Interoth> only 6 min to launch
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[15:34] <adamgreig> bet the FTS arming switch is fun
[15:35] <Vaizki> T-20s to fireworks
[15:35] <Interoth> ULA really don't have anything on the SpaceX webcasts
[15:37] <Vaizki> looks like bad sfx :)
[15:40] <Interoth> There is another launch in a few hours, from Arianespace
[15:40] <Interoth> https://www.reddit.com/r/Arianespace/comments/3ddtkh/rarianespace_ariane_flight_va224_star_one_c4_msg4/
[15:42] <fsphil> is there an evacuation going on that they're not telling us about?
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[15:43] <edmoore> Interoth: please hang around here to be the announcer of such things :)
[15:43] <edmoore> i've stopped watching the feed
[15:44] <edmoore> mr USAF reading from his script about seeds is only so interesting
[15:44] <_charlie> The ULA show is so scripted it hurts
[15:45] <Interoth> Next launch after the Arianespace is the on 22nd, a Soyuz carrying crew to the ISS
[15:45] <edmoore> it hurt enough to go back to reading complaince documents
[15:45] <edmoore> that's the level of pain
[15:45] <edmoore> ironically space product compliance documents
[15:46] <edmoore> more or less crossing all of it out as 'this is just silly' when applied to a small team of four people
[15:46] <edmoore> i'm not going to have documented exchanges with our quality assurance department. we don't have a quality assurance department
[15:46] <Vaizki> it gets worse, now they're playing a canned GPS ad
[15:47] <Vaizki> they've hired apple's ad agency or something
[15:47] <_charlie> LOL
[15:47] <Vaizki> I can't understand why they needed to make this
[15:47] <Vaizki> oh ok it's a Boeing plug
[15:47] <_charlie> To be fair, they've kind of been overshadowed by New Horizons
[15:48] <_charlie> It's like that argument the other day over who was the first to fly over the Channel in an electric plane, whilst some guy has nearly flown around the world
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[16:02] <ibanezmatt13> for floating balloons, is it reasonable to treat the temp in the balloon equal to that outside the balloon at any time?
[16:02] <craag> not in sunlight I'd have thought
[16:03] <ibanezmatt13> ah yeah so it's likely the temp inside is higher than outside when the sun is out
[16:05] <Vaizki> which will be quite common in daytime when above 15km or so ..
[16:07] <ibanezmatt13> yea
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[16:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9PON-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9PON-11
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[16:53] <ok1cdj> hi
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[17:01] <mattbrejza> daveake: is lora telemetry ascii strings or something else?
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[17:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:15] <Vaizki> mattbrejza: not an authority but I think there were both ASCII and binary packets in the code
[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0AWK-14 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-14
[17:15] <Vaizki> I read the pi in the sky code once :)
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[17:30] <dbrooke> The gateway supports ASCII and Binary Telemetry (as well as SSDV). Not sure what the payload will be sending.
[17:33] <daveake> mattbrejza, Plain UKHAS style ascii sentences
[17:33] <mattbrejza> ah cool
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[17:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK3SB-7 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-7
[18:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-1
[18:06] <fsphil> daveake: using the calling channel?
[18:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-PITS-LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-PITS-LoRa
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[18:16] <fsphil> images to be released at 19:00 UTC. 45 minutes away
[18:17] <daveake> fsphil Not this time
[18:18] <daveake> I'll do a flight myself soon that uses that
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[18:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FSUS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FSUS
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[18:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[18:55] <amell_> Are the new horizons pictures coming in 5 min?
[18:55] <amell_> Having trouble working out the time zones
[18:56] <amell_> 3pm EST is 8pm in U.K. I think
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[19:01] <x-f> http://www.ustream.tv/NASAHDTV - just started
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[19:04] <daveake> They all look rather happy
[19:06] <mattbrejza> i wish theyd hurry up
[19:06] <daveake> :)
[19:06] <daveake> I wish the sound was in sync
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[19:13] <daveake> Apparently Hydra (how well named) is "similar in size and brightness to a typical Kuiper Belt Object"
[19:13] <daveake> so interesting if it's basically a hugh iceberg
[19:13] <mattbrejza> but not a comet?
[19:15] <daveake> my twitter feed is full of moons :)
[19:16] <garymortimer> Time for a Niven book title
[19:16] <mattbrejza> is that max res of charon?
[19:17] <daveake> she just said there's a higher res of part of Charon
[19:17] <daveake> 5x
[19:17] <mattbrejza> yea was just about to say
[19:18] <mattbrejza> 5x in a linear direction?
[19:18] <daveake> pass
[19:18] <daveake> "don't get excited yet" :)
[19:18] <mattbrejza> "HAHAHA"
[19:19] <mattbrejza> oh good the heart has a name
[19:19] <mattbrejza> "clapclapclapclap"
[19:20] <amell_> Whoa
[19:21] <amell_> So there's seismology
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[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/the-icy-mountains-of-pluto
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> JHU APL HYPE!
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> PHYSICS!
[19:30] <fsphil> too much clapping
[19:30] <mattbrejza> disappointed by lack of flashy controversial shirts
[19:31] <mattbrejza> still not the highest resolution
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, friday
[19:33] <fsphil> 3km high mountains
[19:33] <fsphil> nice
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> "ya think?" :D
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[19:37] <amell> yeah. no naked women shirts. shame.
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> Alan Stern is a star! :D
[19:43] <fsphil> get pictures back from pluto, can't get audio from another part of same country
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[19:44] <x-f> priorities :)
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[19:50] <amell> I want to move to pluto, looks like a nice place to live
[19:50] <amell> 5 moons in the sky would be great
[19:50] <fsphil> a bit cold
[19:51] <x-f> -200 something
[19:51] <amell> ah. just wrap up warm, with a few kilos of Pu-238
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[19:52] <amell> must admit i never expected that level of surface detail
[19:54] <_charlie> well that's warmer than one article I read that said temps were between -350C and -400C ;)
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[19:55] <amell> lol
[19:56] Action: x-f sighs.
[19:56] <fsphil> hah
[19:58] <amell> this image with the mountains, do we know if that is the max resolution available or is there better to come?
[19:59] <mattbrejza> that image isnt as close as max so there will be higher
[20:00] <amell> stupendous
[20:00] <mattbrejza> it was 1.5hrs from closest
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[20:00] <Troupy> hello
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[20:01] <_charlie> hi
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[20:02] <amell> hang on. https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/the-icy-mountains-of-pluto says 1.5 hours before closest approach it was 478,000 miles from the surface
[20:02] <amell> but I thought closest approach was about 8200 miles.
[20:02] <amell> something doesnt add up there.
[20:03] <amell> i think it must be a typo
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[20:03] <_charlie> agreed
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/charon-s-surprising-youthful-and-varied-terrain
[20:05] <mattbrejza> looks like an extra 0
[20:05] <amell> yes
[20:05] <amell> next fun space thingy is Juno i think. Next july.
[20:07] <_charlie> Hydra will be super interesting when they release better pics of that
[20:08] <Troupy> hi all is this the place for hab advice??
[20:08] <amell> osiris-rex the asteroid sample return will be the fun one after that.
[20:08] <Upu> yup Troupy
[20:08] <mattbrejza> well in theory some interesting stuff should be happening on a comet, but theyve been kinda quiet
[20:09] <amell> mattbrejza: yeah, they cant get a signal. sad :(
[20:09] <Troupy> oh man, my son seen a video posted on you tube last year and we have been gathering kit since but run up against a few problems!!
[20:09] <mattbrejza> well rosetta should still be doing Science
[20:09] <Upu> whats the issues Troupy
[20:09] <Troupy> firstly, cant get hab hub to show my balloon but digi is saying payload tel uploaded successfully!
[20:10] <Upu> is it transmitting now ?
[20:10] <amell> whats it called?
[20:11] <Upu> TROUPY
[20:11] <Upu> well you're uploading SSDV
[20:11] <Upu> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[20:12] <Upu> chances are the docs wrong but get it uploading some telemetry and we can take a look
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[20:12] <Laurenceb_> woo PS-46 back
[20:12] <amell> can only see FSUS in the parser
[20:13] <Troupy> yes transmitting now!
[20:13] <Troupy> callsign troupys
[20:13] <amell> Is it green?
[20:13] <amell> in the dl-fldigi?
[20:13] <Upu> can you paste a line of telemetry here ?
[20:14] <Troupy> $$TROUPYS yeah green check sum ok
[20:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA1
[20:14] <amell> paste the line.
[20:14] <amell> oh. wonder if online is ticked.
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[20:14] <amell> there it is
[20:14] <Troupy> $$TROUPYS,32,20:14:33,57.23129,-2.35712,00064,0,0,8,28.0,0.0,0,25.4,1014,17.3*02F7
[20:15] <Troupy> yeah online ticked
[20:15] <Upu> ok quick spam
[20:15] <Upu> [2015-07-15 20:14:50,647] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$TROUPYS,33,20:14:46,57.23130,-2.35706,00068,0,0,7,28.0,0.0,0,25.5,1014,17.4*0E06\n' (0c71e8aef75f15eaad384c78b6e6a31a18e428da24e3eac62199143bbfbbe7e7) from TROUPYS
[20:15] <Upu> [2015-07-15 20:14:50,721] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Selected payload_configuration b39a863efe01485d50f168919cc08ce4 for 'TROUPYS'
[20:15] <Upu> [2015-07-15 20:14:50,724] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Incorrect number of fields (got 14, expect 12)
[20:15] <Upu> [2015-07-15 20:14:50,724] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[20:15] <Upu> [2015-07-15 20:14:50,724] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: All attempts to parse failed
[20:15] <Upu> your payload document is incorrect
[20:15] <amell> yep thats what i saw too ;)
[20:15] <daveake> Feature request: filter on logtail so you can pick out one payload only
[20:16] <Upu> yes +1 on that
[20:16] <amell> good idea daveake
[20:16] <Upu> I'm grepping /var/log/habitat/parser.log :)
[20:16] <daveake> PITA especially when someone* is uploading a sentence every second
[20:16] <daveake> *me
[20:16] <Upu> haha
[20:16] <Upu> you can amend your document Troupy
[20:17] <amell> CantExtractCallsign is whats done you in.
[20:18] <amell> Troupy: any idea what you called your payload doc?
[20:18] <Troupy> hey folks, I think I have too many documents with the same callsign correct?
[20:19] <Upu> the latest one takes precidence
[20:19] <Upu> you can't delete old ones
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[20:19] <Troupy> TROUPYS BALLOON
[20:19] <amell> cant see it.
[20:20] <Upu> ok so go to http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[20:20] <Troupy> sorry for being dim but how do i amend or what should i amend?
[20:20] <Upu> click start from existing
[20:20] <Troupy> ok
[20:20] <Upu> start typing TROUP
[20:20] <Upu> click one of them
[20:20] <Upu> add the missing fields save it
[20:20] <Upu> SpacenearUS will tell you if you got it correct
[20:21] <amell> sorry, missing something here. Why cant i see the payload doc?
[20:21] <Upu> looking in the wrong place
[20:21] <Upu> ?
[20:21] <amell> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[20:21] <Upu> yep -> Start from existing
[20:22] <amell> I type TRO and nothing is coming back. I see lots of payloads though
[20:22] <Upu> no idea it works here amell
[20:22] <amell> FFS, i was looking at flight docs
[20:23] <Upu> that would be where you are going wrong
[20:23] <Troupy> hey all now uploaded a v2
[20:23] <Upu> ok transmit
[20:24] <Upu> nope
[20:24] <amell> daveake: youre a very noisy fellow.
[20:24] <Upu> you're transmitting 14 fields
[20:24] <Upu> but he document is only expecting 12
[20:24] <daveake> "(got 14, expect 12)"
[20:24] <Upu> $$TROUPYS,79,20:24:01,57.23136,-2.35697,00003,1,0,6,29.7,0.0,0,26.7,1014,17.8*1AFE
[20:25] <daveake> My SpideySense tells me that's a PITS board and you've started with a payload doc that includes a BMP180 which you don't have
[20:25] <Upu> lol
[20:27] <Troupy> hey folks, pits board has two sensors, or should have two working!
[20:28] <amell> maybe you bought the chinese version?
[20:28] <Troupy> what fields am i missing?
[20:28] <Upu> have you added anything to it ?
[20:28] <Upu> like the BMP180 ?
[20:28] <Upu> or an external temp sensor
[20:28] <Troupy> yeah, the bmp and an external sensor
[20:29] <Upu> daveake ?
[20:29] <Upu> just need to add the 2 fields ?
[20:29] <Troupy> wired the bmp and also hooked up an external probe too, guessed that was the two xx.x fields
[20:30] <daveake> It's all in here https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/blob/master/tracker/tracker.c :-)
[20:30] <Upu> in that case you just need to add them to the doc
[20:30] <Upu> ok go edit the payload doc
[20:30] <daveake> The optional extra fields are (in this order)
[20:30] <Upu> in the bit where you can see all the fields
[20:30] <Upu> add 2
[20:30] <daveake> #1 board current (for new boards)
[20:30] <amell> WHat is the 1014?
[20:30] <daveake> #2/3 BMP180 Temperature and Pressure
[20:31] <daveake> #4 External temperature
[20:31] <daveake> pressure amell
[20:31] <amell> cool
[20:32] <daveake> So "26.7,1014,17.8" are the bmp and ds18b20
[20:32] <daveake> I should do a page on this instead of "it's in the code innit"
[20:32] <Upu> ok Troupy so start from existing -> select the doc
[20:32] <Upu> Under parser config click edit
[20:33] <Troupy> ok guys, following this, I have 2 fields i need to add to the payload doc
[20:33] <Upu> yep
[20:33] <daveake> Standard fields are payload, counter, lat, long, alt, speed, bearing, sats, int temp, battery v
[20:33] <Upu> one for temp one for pressure in the right order
[20:33] <Upu> temp is float
[20:33] <Upu> pressure is int
[20:34] <amell> long int?
[20:34] <daveake> Well actually it's a float with no decimal places :)
[20:35] <daveake> no not a long int
[20:35] <daveake> might be better to not confuse with guesses
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[20:37] <Troupy> oh me! I have the edit open, what fields where? I have sentence id, time, lat, long, alt, speed, head, sat, temp int, batt, curr, temo ext
[20:37] <daveake> ok
[20:37] <daveake> you want ...
[20:38] <Troupy> Dave, I was the one that asked you about Airspy SDR a few weeks back
[20:38] <Troupy> on email
[20:38] <daveake> sentence id, time, lat, long, alt, speed, head, sat, temp int, batt, temperature*, pressure, external temperature
[20:39] <daveake> * that's the bmp one just give it a name other than internal/external temperature as you already have those
[20:40] <Troupy> no current?
[20:40] <daveake> new boards have it old ones don't
[20:41] <daveake> I didn't see it in your telemetry
[20:42] <Troupy> its a b+ but will be using an a+ for flight so no current
[20:42] <daveake> I mean pits board version
[20:42] <amell> iisnt the 0.0,0 bat and curr?
[20:43] <Troupy> its v2.3 the one with your name on it :-)
[20:43] <daveake> they all have my name i=on them :/
[20:44] <amell> daveake: you gave him 13 values not 14.
[20:44] <Troupy> Just acknowledging :-)
[20:44] <daveake> ah right 1 sec
[20:45] <daveake> sentence id, time, lat, long, alt, speed, head, sats, temp int, batt v, batt current, temperature*, pressure, external temperature
[20:46] <amell> I concur ;)
[20:46] <daveake> So Troupy you'd added external temperature only and not the BMP press/temp fields
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-on-topic.
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/search?q=dildo%20portland
[20:46] <Troupy> grand, all floats after sat?
[20:47] <daveake> yes
[20:47] <amell> SpeedEvil: how is that on topic?
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> It's things caught on power lines
[20:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TROUPYS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TROUPYS
[20:48] <Upu> yay
[20:48] <amell> whoo!
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:48] <amell> when do you plan to launch?
[20:49] <Troupy> yeahhhh! thanks all!!
[20:49] <amell> your location is a little unfortunate wind wise, but&.
[20:49] <Troupy> Yes, up in bonnie Scotland!! Not much folk tracking up here! I tried to track one on Saturday but might have been too far to pick up the signal up here
[20:50] <amell> if you launched from glasgow, and timed it right, you might keep your payload dry.
[20:50] <Troupy> I have a Diamond x50N with 10m RG56 to HAB supplies filter then on to an airspy
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Troupy: In most of scotland, you can pick up english balloons at altitude quite easily
[20:51] <daveake> Sometimes payloads end up somewhere other than east of where they started
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Troupy: Where?
[20:51] <daveake> Just keep watching the predictions
[20:51] <Troupy> planning to launch down near braemar so it lands up closer to home but I live 10 miles from an airport
[20:52] <amell> its not often the wind blows right way for you.
[20:52] <Troupy> got plenty of wind up here! planning to head west one morning and launch so it blows east
[20:53] <Troupy> using GQRX software on a macbook air
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[20:54] <amell> yeah, i found if i compiled gqrx from latest dev on macports, it is less buggy
[20:55] <Troupy> i guess I have reasonable kit now, will need to make sure I can track someone elses Balloon before I launch my one! Not very flat for testing at distance up here
[20:56] <amell> i dunno. you could just leave your payload up a mountain somewhere
[20:57] <Troupy> Ha ha, yeah not much line of sight though where I live, will need to test using the magmount antenna I have for the car
[20:59] <amell> mattbrejza: seems philae did report back on 9th july. pluto pushed it out the news.
[20:59] <amell> http://www.dlr.de/dlr/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10081/151_read-14156/#/gallery/17198
[21:00] <mattbrejza> i did see that
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[21:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MONDO-3 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-3
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[21:24] <MONDO_> Hi,, flight doc to be approved please ...
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[21:26] <Sparrow201> SpacenearUS what does silence mean? the ballon has been moving around without transmition?
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[21:28] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Sparrow201: basically yes, 2 days without beingf heard by anyone that is reporting in
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[21:31] <fsphil> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/07/15/art_pluto_s_features_predicted_in_1979.html
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[21:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[21:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03RPI Test Flight 10(5d73), 03Shen1 10(b3b0), 03Shen2 10(dab9), 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234), 03RAJ-2 launch 10(2df6)
[21:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight 5d73
[21:42] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(5d73): 03RPI Test Flight 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2135,0.0964)
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[22:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03jr_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=jr_chase
[22:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> man ftp
[22:17] <Sparrow201> Geoff-G8DHE did you launch 2 balloons today?
[22:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> aH wondereed where that man command went no not me that was Steve who flew
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Steve is Rocketman on here
[22:22] <Sparrow201> Ah right, I was one of the students who made the payload :) It was very interesting!
[22:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right, no I only track! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/SHEN1_20150715/
[22:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did you recover both of them OK? saw SHEN 2 collected but not SHEN1
[22:25] <amell> Geoff: Rocketboy not man :)
[22:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> your right
[22:26] <amell> Sparrow201: got any pictures?
[22:26] <Sparrow201> I was in the project of SHEN2 so I dont know, is it confirmed SHEN2 was collected?
[22:27] <amell> youre in the project? surely you would know?
[22:27] <Sparrow201> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ has images of SHEN2, SHEN1 did not transmit any images after launch do you why?
[22:27] <Sparrow201> we had to leave the site before we could collect them
[22:27] <Sparrow201> Steve kindly went to get both of them for us :) I think someone is going to pick them up from him tomorrow
[22:28] <amell> oh. just looking where they landed
[22:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well Steve drove right up to the field and was Rx it at the final position so it looked good, unless it got stuck in a tree
[22:29] <Sparrow201> Yea lets hope they are still intact, just before landing our payload hit around -15C :D
[22:29] <amell> you werent able to chase these balloons?
[22:29] <Sparrow201> we were not sadly however steve kindly did for us
[22:29] <Sparrow201> we tracked them on the way back thow
[22:29] <amell> was it a school payload?
[22:29] <Sparrow201> yes
[22:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm no confirmation in the scrollback that I can see
[22:30] <Sparrow201> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-07-15--13-57-48-SHEN2-2AED.jpeg?u=21 this is just before landing
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[22:31] <Sparrow201> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-07-15--14-02-05-SHEN2-2AEE.jpeg?u=18 just after landing looks like the arm snapped
[22:31] <amell> well it shows its on the ground. should be fine.
[22:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah SHEN 2 got to the ground OK I can see grass in the final pictures!
[22:32] <Sparrow201> yes however if you look closely that might be a tree branch in the background wonder if it was stuck in a tree :D
[22:32] <amell> interesting ssdv from James Robinson
[22:32] <Sparrow201> SHEN1 stopped transmitting as it hit the ground I think
[22:33] <amell> Good job james robinson doesnt have his passwords on the wall there.
[22:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like balloon latex covering the rest of the view!
[22:33] <Sparrow201> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-07-15--12-27-19-SHEN2-2AE7.jpeg?u=68 < - best picture
[22:33] <amell> daveake: your guy tomorrow is sending a lot of detailed ssdv
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> and very large images!
[22:35] <amell> you know what. one day someone is going to send NIFOC ssdv...
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[22:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> always a danger!
[22:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> with that tought NN
[22:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Rpf_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Rpf_chase
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[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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