highaltitude.log.20150712

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[00:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MTG004 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG004
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[02:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-12
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[04:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OM3BC-11 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-11
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[07:32] <LunaPro> Hi All
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[08:38] <PB5A> !flights
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> 03PB5A: Current flights: 030x07 - Pico Flight 10(8ca0), 03VALLEY 10(26a5), 03MM6 10(9a9e), 03FERRER1 10(de19), 03KAREN 10(ee79), 03WA4LOQ 10(4f1b), 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234)
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[09:12] <ni291187> hi peeps, KAREN is launching today from Macclesfield. a pre-thanks to all the trackers out there.
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[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Car Honda_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Car%20Honda_chase
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[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DD1RK-10 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DD1RK-10
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[10:30] <Herman_> !flights
[10:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: Current flights: 030x07 - Pico Flight 10(8ca0), 03VALLEY 10(26a5), 03MM6 10(9a9e), 03FERRER1 10(de19), 03KAREN 10(ee79), 03WA4LOQ 10(4f1b), 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234)
[10:30] <Herman_> !dial ee79
[10:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: Latest dials for 03KAREN 10(ee79): none
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[11:01] <garymortimer> is the Manchester space program (Karen) still a go?
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[11:01] <pe2bz_> !flights
[11:01] <SpacenearUS> 03pe2bz_: Current flights: 030x07 - Pico Flight 10(8ca0), 03VALLEY 10(26a5), 03MM6 10(9a9e), 03FERRER1 10(de19), 03KAREN 10(ee79), 03WA4LOQ 10(4f1b), 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234)
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There in the Pub as normal https://twitter.com/harvy2004/status/620172910733455360/photo/1
[11:09] <daveake> Bets on a fully successful flight?
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Bottoms Up!
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> daveake, will your LoRa launch lter in the week be using the Calling channel method ?
[11:12] <daveake> Not my launch, hence the lack of detail :-)
[11:12] <daveake> I've asked
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah right OK then I'll set the 2nd channel to the channelmwhen announced!
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I leave the gateway running by the way on the co-linear most of the time - yet to see anything ;-)
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[11:24] <garymortimer> They seem to be my sort of crew
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[11:25] <edmoore> oh garymortimer
[11:25] <edmoore> just the man
[11:26] <edmoore> off the top of your head, do you know roughly what the constraints are on UK uav usage, and specifically if the laws cover use above 60kft?
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Thought it had to be visual range ?
[11:27] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[11:27] <edmoore> sure but i'm really interested in whether or not the CAA has anything to say above 60kft
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KAREN - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KAREN
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[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I suppose you could be in visual range if your on the ISS ?
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[11:35] <kpiman> KAREN looks to be stuck in a tree
[11:37] <Interoth> A 438m tree
[11:37] <kpiman> https://twitter.com/mcrspaceprog
[11:38] <garymortimer> sorry been in garden, above 66k no dramas just got to get there. im sure they would accomodate special flights
[11:38] <garymortimer> i know the chaps well for permissions
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[11:39] <garymortimer> the only tree in the field....
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[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Makes a change from landing in a tree I guess!
[11:48] <garymortimer> what do we think no onsite tracking for Karen?
[11:52] <Herman_> is there a chance that Karen is to resume
[11:52] <garymortimer> I just saw the tweet Balloon KAREN is at alt. 438m over Sutton, Cheshire East SK11, UK
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE_> The ground level appear to be 350m
[11:54] <garymortimer> So not really doing the climbing thing, we should still see reports from a local receiver
[11:56] <garymortimer> Nice part of the world that did quite a bit of paragliding around there in the mid 80's
[11:57] <Upu> what frequency is Karen on ?
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[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE_> .650 reported
[11:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> listening in on lokal web sdr, cant se/hrar anything
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[11:59] <Herman_> the local crew also no writing data ??
[11:59] <Upu> possibly see it
[12:00] <garymortimer> Seems not Herman, there is a pub at the bottom of the hill, that must have interwebs so to me would be the ideal spot to setup mission control with a receiver.
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[12:02] <Upu> I have something that looks like it is RTTY but not getting any stronger so on the ground still I suspect
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[12:05] <Herman_> we will wait and hope that there is something to the air
[12:05] <dbrooke> Upu: seems stuck in a tree at launch, zoom in in 'satellite' view
[12:05] <Upu> yeah I think I can see it on the waterfall
[12:06] <dbrooke> hopefully thay can get it free
[12:06] <daveake> They hit the one tree in the field?
[12:06] <daveake> Impressive
[12:06] <Upu> Ah yes they just replied on Twitter its still in the tree
[12:06] <kpiman> Upu: think i see it too
[12:06] <garymortimer> very
[12:07] <Upu> 434.653 320 shift
[12:09] <garymortimer> just arrived to my twitter feed... I'm awaiting an update from the launch crew but it appears there has been a launch issue that they are attempting to sort.
[12:09] <Upu> "launch issue" :)
[12:09] <daveake> lol
[12:09] <daveake> The Coxon Kilometer
[12:10] <Interoth> Has anyone used the NooElec NESDR Mini+ for tracking?
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[12:11] <Upu> just an RTL so should work fine Interoth
[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
[12:12] <daveake> I've managed "the only tree in the field" on landing, but this is special
[12:12] <Interoth> we are looking for a good chase radio for our first launch and from what I've read the RTL SDR's are maybe not the best choice
[12:12] <daveake> Yeah get an Airspy
[12:13] <garymortimer> I feel a wiki entry coming on dave
[12:13] <daveake> RTL SDR will definitely need a HAB Amp
[12:13] <daveake> Yeah I think I missed that one garymortimer
[12:13] <daveake> Hitting a tree when you're surrounded by them is fair enough if it's windy
[12:13] <daveake> But this takes special skills
[12:13] <garymortimer> They tend to reach up and catch stuff I think
[12:14] <Interoth> I've been also been looking at the Funcube Pro+
[12:14] <daveake> I managed a pico into one once
[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Perhaps UKHAS should have a Safe Flying Policy no alchol within 24 hours for launch team ?
[12:14] <daveake> But those go up so slowly it's not hard to do
[12:14] <daveake> Yes, and insist on bacon
[12:14] <garymortimer> They are relaunching https://twitter.com/harvy2004/status/620204315467227136
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> "Anthony says be carefull how you fly"
[12:15] <garymortimer> Somebody ban Geoff please
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> :)
[12:15] <edmoore> Geoff-G8DHE_: no.
[12:15] <garymortimer> 24 feet maybe
[12:15] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 24 ft = 7.32 m
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yo can make up for it on Landing of course ;-)
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[12:16] <edmoore> pre-launch reviews in the panton arms of the castle are responsible for a lot of the early success of cusf
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah 10 meters to the left I see!
[12:16] <garymortimer> 24 pints
[12:17] <garymortimer> I see a beam on the ground so lets hope they will be feeding reports from take off
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[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Thats for fly swatting
[12:18] <daveake> Twitter says thy're re-launching
[12:18] <daveake> sry too slow :)
[12:21] <Interoth> Is there much of a difference from the Funcube Dongle Pro+ to the Airspy for tracking?
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[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Airspy is more flexible as it has continous frequency coverage rather than Amateur bands only.
[12:23] <Interoth> is it worth the extra £30~?
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE_> depends if you intend to use it for anything else ... if its a single launch and flight probably not, but then again a simple Dongle is a lot cheaper even with a HabAmp
[12:26] <Interoth> Do you think a NooElec NESDR Mini+ and a HabAmp will be suitable for a chase tracker?
[12:26] <chimpusmaximus> Afternoon
[12:26] <pd3t> !flights
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[12:26] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Current flights: 030x07 - Pico Flight 10(8ca0), 03VALLEY 10(26a5), 03MM6 10(9a9e), 03FERRER1 10(de19), 03KAREN 10(ee79), 03WA4LOQ 10(4f1b), 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234)
[12:26] <pd3t> !dial ee79
[12:26] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Latest dials for 03KAREN 10(ee79): none
[12:26] <F5MVO> Hello
[12:27] <pd3t> hi
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> If its suitable packaged up to make it easy to handle without lots of trailing cables don't see why not
[12:27] <garymortimer> I use a $30 dongle and it works very well. The only snag with it is any big temp changes cause it to drift.
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> personally I think I would mount it all on the aerial, and just have a single USB lead to the computer
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[12:28] <F5MVO> fsphil is here ?
[12:28] <Interoth> I do already have a cheapo RTL dongle, however the NooElec looked worth the investment
[12:28] <Luteijn-p> Hi pd3t KAREN still pending propee (rw)launch
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[12:30] <adamgreig> Interoth: nooelec basically identical to whatever cheapo rtl you have is uspect
[12:30] <adamgreig> i suspect*
[12:30] <garymortimer> Yes I would have thought that as well Adam
[12:30] <adamgreig> it's the same chips just in a smaller box
[12:30] <Interoth> From what I understand it's pretty much the same but with better components and less drift
[12:31] <adamgreig> hmm maybe
[12:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> it is, might have a better crytall for better accuracy and less drift
[12:31] <adamgreig> you don't really care much about accuracy or drift in the chase car though
[12:31] <adamgreig> accuracy is irrelevant as you'll tune onto your payload yourself anyway, drift is unlikely to be a problem in a chase car that's not really changing temperature very quickly
[12:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> so from a chase car with a magnet mounted omni on the roof - short antenna cable, you be good with a rtl-sdr for 7 pund
[12:34] <garymortimer> This relaunch is taking a while
[12:34] <Interoth> thanks, so far I'm looking at using the cheapo SDR w/ HabAmp for chase, with Habduino and GPS GSM tracker on the payload
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There probably looking for a bottle opener.
[12:35] <garymortimer> ah that should be on the check list
[12:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> I guess you will overload the dongle if you ad a amp with that short of a cable
[12:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> you get the amp when youre up at +12-15m of cable
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> shouldnt be a problem provided no extra strong signals within the SAW filter bandwidth
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I've always found that it is the filtering more than the gain that is needed, you turn the gain backdown in the Dongle if required.
[12:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> but you not realy need it with a 3m cable, and you must rebuild the dongle for biasT or extra power on the side for suppying poer to the amp - complicate things a lot
[12:38] <adamgreig> as Geoff-G8DHE_ it's not about the gain for the cable loss
[12:38] <adamgreig> +says
[12:38] <adamgreig> it's mostly useful because otherwise strong broadcast FM or pagers etc smash up the front end
[12:38] <adamgreig> the lna just compensates for the saw insertion loss as much as anything
[12:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> This works well in my my motorhome cable length oh 4 inches http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABAMP_and_DONGLE/
[12:39] <adamgreig> nice box
[12:39] <adamgreig> why don't you wire the habamp to the rtl-sdr internally?
[12:40] <Interoth> that's a nice setup
[12:40] <adamgreig> smaller box is nicer i guess
[12:40] <adamgreig> looks good though
[12:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I wanted to use it on Sondes as well as 434Mhz
[12:40] <adamgreig> oh yea of course
[12:40] <adamgreig> very nice
[12:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> so wanted the flexibility
[12:40] <adamgreig> the first picture makes that obvious really
[12:40] <adamgreig> nice
[12:40] <daveake> karen has updated
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[12:41] <daveake> they've moved away from the tree :)
[12:41] <garymortimer> Looks like its off
[12:41] <daveake> they haven't updated since that one reading
[12:42] <garymortimer> I see water hazards now
[12:42] <Upu> lol how the hell did they hit that tree
[12:42] <garymortimer> great accuracy
[12:42] <chimpusmaximus> Hi daveake, you mentioned about the issue on pi with the camera i seem to have been caught with yesterday.
[12:42] <Upu> mhey chimpusmaximus
[12:42] <daveake> Well if they've launched, then they've lost signal already
[12:42] <Upu> that mail you sent
[12:42] <chimpusmaximus> yep
[12:42] <Upu> to the UKHAS mailing list has your mobile on it
[12:42] <daveake> chimpusmaximus Yep
[12:42] <Upu> sure you want that posting ?
[12:42] <chimpusmaximus> Good point thanks
[12:42] <daveake> There's araspstill setting that may fix it
[12:43] <daveake> Nothing to do with ssdv - the corruption is in the jpeg
[12:43] <Upu> not in the pending queue any more dunno if someone released it
[12:44] <chimpusmaximus> Not sure i would notice any more space to it with ppi and insurance claims
[12:45] <garymortimer> I wonder if they will be a bit quicker on the chase today
[12:47] <daveake> Depends. Is the landing prediction near a pub?
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/KAREN_20150712/
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[12:48] <daveake> Did Karen need a carpenter?
[12:48] <Upu> I get it Dave
[12:49] <Upu> I'm old too
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[12:49] <garymortimer> This ones off for tea and medals at the officers mess, RAF Waddington
[12:49] <daveake> ha
[12:49] <garymortimer> Oh dear Dave, but very good
[12:52] <kpiman> this can't be good for a payload, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z50nh1kI-7Q
[12:52] <chimpusmaximus> Quick question, i manged to potentialy kill two lna's yesterday. Never had an issue before but could it have been something like static discharge?
[12:52] <kpiman> goto 1:23
[12:53] <daveake> blimey
[12:53] <Upu> interesting launch technique
[12:53] <Upu> its almost like they don't want it back
[12:53] <Upu> one way to test their knots anyway
[12:54] <daveake> unless they then hit a tree
[12:54] <daveake> test more knots
[12:55] <adamgreig> haha wow
[12:55] <adamgreig> that is one way to let go
[12:55] <mattbrejza> well if it can survive the stairs it can survive that
[12:55] <garymortimer> why put it all in a heavy plastic frame inside the foam
[12:55] <Interoth> Does anyone have a recommendation for a 70cm chase antenna?
[12:56] <garymortimer> did we get a glimpse of the now fabled tree
[12:56] <F5MVO> Hello daveake
[12:56] <daveake> hello
[12:57] <Upu> Diamond MR-77S Interoth
[12:57] <F5MVO> i run now sonde_to_aprs with news, but i have "no new date" have you idéa ?
[12:57] <Interoth> thanks Upu
[12:57] <daveake> No, never used it
[12:58] <F5MVO> i run now sonde_to_aprs with news, but i have "no new data" have you idéa ?
[12:58] <daveake> No, never used it
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[12:58] <F5MVO> i run now sonde_to_aprs.py with news, but i have "no new data" have you idéa ? sorry
[12:58] <daveake> Still no idea
[12:58] <F5MVO> Ok thanks
[12:59] <daveake> np
[12:59] <daveake> I know I helped before, but that was just a standard Python question
[13:00] <F5MVO> i have forget to install pykml ans lxml module, now ok
[13:00] <daveake> Yes, I remember
[13:02] <garymortimer> 48 minutes since this relaunch sequence started
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> did they check that it was still transmitting I wonder :-(
[13:02] <daveake> They're waiting for anoyther tree to grow
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> last signal was 22minutes ago 20m to the South of previous launch
[13:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> it should be hearable by now if it launched ....
[13:04] <Upu> nope
[13:04] <daveake> They uploaded 2 sentences from the new position
[13:05] <daveake> plus some more w/o gps position
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> not hopeful
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[13:11] <Herman_> last updated karen ???
[13:12] <garymortimer> I wonder if she is the barmaid from the pub...
[13:12] <Herman_> hihihihi proost
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> last RX seems to have been 35 min ago
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> are there infos on the balloon?
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[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> It seems to drink a lot of beer ...
[13:20] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[13:20] <Herman_> burp prosit
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[13:25] <garymortimer> Is harvy the harvy at the launch site I wonder
[13:26] <garymortimer> Harvinder perhaps
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[13:27] <Upu> well I think I may go do something else
[13:27] <garymortimer> Are you at KARENs launch site Harvy
[13:27] <Upu> can't see anything
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[13:34] <garymortimer> I think they had a cell phone onboard as well last time so maybe that is how this flight is being tracked, if it got away.
[13:34] <Harvy> I was at the landing site.
[13:34] <Harvy> we are now pursuing an AWOL balloon
[13:34] <Upu> so no radio on it ?
[13:34] <Harvy> no cell phone
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[13:35] <Upu> ok so nothing going up with a radio on it today ?
[13:36] <Harvy> the radio stopped working when we let go.
[13:36] <Upu> ah ok
[13:36] <garymortimer> Bad luck, so a cell phone on it to track
[13:37] <Harvy> let's say due to high horizontal impacts
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[13:38] <garymortimer> did you not have enough room to do a running take off?
[13:38] <garymortimer> will there be video evidence!
[13:41] <Harvy> there was some unusual wind behaviours
[13:41] <Harvy> we over inflated to compensate but the payload still hit the ground when let go.
[13:41] <Harvy> there is video evidence, on board as well
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you have a prediction of the flight path, and the likely burst height etc.
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[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> if not then see here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/KAREN_20150712/ the prediction was based on 5m/s ascend, burst 30Km, 5m/s descent the normal defaults
[13:45] <Harvy> yes and we ran one just after take off.
[13:45] <Harvy> so we are heading down now.
[13:45] <garymortimer> Nice one Geoff
[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03harvy_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=harvy_chase
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[13:47] <garymortimer> Have you got any tracking onboard?
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good luck then!
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[13:56] <Interoth> Has anyone use the SJ4000 on a payload?
[13:57] <chimpusmaximus> I have one sat here but fond the quality was not as good as my mobius
[13:57] <chimpusmaximus> I planned to use it without battery and just power through usb for entire flight.
[13:57] <Interoth> Didn't expect the mobius to have better video quality
[13:57] <mattbrejza> Interoth: the 808 #16 cameras are pretty good for the price (£30, HD)
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[13:58] <chimpusmaximus> Found it handled change of light better
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like the lens is sealed behnd the waterproof screen, that might cause it to mist up with the temp. changes.
[14:00] <Interoth> Is the mobius flight tested?
[14:00] <chimpusmaximus> Yep, but lost ut yesterday on its 2nd flight
[14:01] <chimpusmaximus> Mobius generates a fair bit of heat which has always helped keep stuff warm inside payload.
[14:01] <chimpusmaximus> People have reported issues if close to GPS i believe.
[14:01] <Interoth> What's the battery life like? Or is external power a better option?
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[14:02] <Interoth> sounds like something tinfoil can fix
[14:03] <mattbrejza> or have separate cameras and trackers
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[14:03] <chimpusmaximus> I think you would be lucky to get an 1hr so i have always planned on external power. My payload have normally been pits so 6AA to power both pi and mobius. Just remember to drop down voltage to 5v for mobius.
[14:04] <Interoth> Does it accept 5v over usb or does it need modding?
[14:04] <chimpusmaximus> Done the same with sj4000 during testing. For a Gopro Hero 4 i went with its own power supply due to the high current it wanted.
[14:04] <F5MVO> someone know sonde_to_aprs.py ?
[14:04] <chimpusmaximus> fine with 5v over usb. You can set it up to auto power on etc when power supplied etc
[14:05] <Interoth> Sounds good, looks like I will be using a lot of Lithium Energizers
[14:06] <mattbrejza> the pi is fine off 3xAA btw
[14:07] <craag> worked down to 2.8V iirc?
[14:07] <chimpusmaximus> It was making sure voltage aways stayed well above 6v to ensure the drop from voyage regulator when powering mobius.
[14:07] <daveake> Pi + ?
[14:08] <mattbrejza> yea, thats on the asumptio that youre only powering the pi
[14:08] <mattbrejza> yea A+
[14:08] <daveake> Sorry, I mean A+ rather than A?
[14:08] <daveake> ok
[14:08] <mattbrejza> the switchmode one
[14:08] <daveake> yeah the older ones won't go anywhere near that low
[14:09] <mattbrejza> unless you replace the LDO?
[14:09] <daveake> yes
[14:09] <mattbrejza> so you could do 3xAA -> LDO -> 3.3V line
[14:09] <daveake> I'm trying to remember but I think it was 3V then
[14:10] <daveake> I've always used 4 to be safe, as the voltage does drop when cold ofc
[14:10] <mattbrejza> well 3x AA @ 1.2V is 3.6V which is still in spec of the smps regulator on the pi
[14:11] <mattbrejza> and they dont get anywhere near 1.2
[14:11] <mattbrejza> perhaps not quite on teh safe side, but fine on a short timescale
[14:11] <daveake> agreed
[14:11] <mattbrejza> it made it super easy
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[14:12] <mattbrejza> if anything a cheap smps on ebay was more risky
[14:12] <daveake> I have a pile of model As here I'm going to try and lose on test flights
[14:12] <chimpusmaximus> :-)
[14:13] <daveake> I can see 8 of the buggers from ehre
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[14:15] <craag> cluster them
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[14:15] <craag> for extra nmea processing power!
[14:15] <daveake> ha :)
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[14:18] <_charlie> would that be the first hab cluster?
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[14:28] <chimpusmaximus> dveake: any ideas on the expedted range that the LoRa might be picked up at for Thursday?
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander> RX/TX power: https://twitter.com/NASANewHorizons/status/620231270275026945/photo/1
[14:29] <mattbrejza> probably about the same as rtty
[14:29] <chimpusmaximus> ok
[14:30] <mattbrejza> it does depend on chosen parameters
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[14:30] <chimpusmaximus> True
[14:31] <russss> Lunar_Lander: one day I'm going to write my own version of that which has power in dBm. Not today though.
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:31] <russss> the API it uses is quite nice
[14:32] <Lunar_Lander> sounds great
[14:33] <russss> http://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/data/dsn.xml?r=287342318
[14:34] <russss> actually the rx power in that file is in dB
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> Who here likes pancakes?
[14:36] <edmoore> i like quiet bots
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> One expects SysAdmins to talk to Bots but the general public ?
[14:37] <SpacenearUS> I take it you don't like pancakes. That's unfortunate
[14:37] <SpacenearUS> Unlike humans, bots don't have the ability to experience pancakes
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> nice
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[14:38] <SpacenearUS> yes
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> yet
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Slap pancackes over your processor and you WILL experience them!
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[14:39] <F5MVO> Hello
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2015/01300800-talking-to-pluto-is-hard.html
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> More on the comms design of NH
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[14:40] <lz1dev> the bot is developing consciousness again... sigh
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh skynet?
[14:40] <Harvy> we are about 30 minutes from the proposed landing site.
[14:40] <Harvy> hopefully we can spot it.
[14:40] <F5MVO> daveake: it's ok for sonde_to_aprs.py now, but it reply on aprs.fi not on tracker.habhub.org ?
[14:40] <Harvy> coming down.
[14:41] <edmoore> good luck
[14:41] <lz1dev> F5MVO: whats the callsign?
[14:42] <F5MVO> Someone know how to reply weather ballon on tracker.habhub.org
[14:42] <F5MVO> its ham radio callsign ?
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[14:45] <F5MVO> Someone know how to reply weather ballon on tracker.habhub.org ?
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[15:06] <garymortimer> Good luck Harvy
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[15:11] <F5MVO> Hello
[15:11] <F5MVO> nobody know how to reply a weather ballon on tracker.habhub.org ?
[15:12] <edmoore> 'reply' has no meaning in this context
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[15:12] <edmoore> do you mean replay? do you mean to put your own balloon on the map?
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[15:13] <edmoore> peut-etre expliquer a moi en francais
[15:13] <F5MVO> rebroadcast ?
[15:14] <F5MVO> rebroadcast a weather balloon ?
[15:15] <F5MVO> rebroadcast a weather balloon ? is correct ?
[15:15] <edmoore> yes, but we do not rebroadcast anything from our balloons normally. we receive and decode the transmission, and then upload the information from the decoded transmission to tracker.habhub.org
[15:17] <F5MVO> i receveid and décode weather balloon, and search to rebroadcast a weather balloon on tracher.habhub.org for test ?
[15:18] <F5MVO> i see many weather balloons on tracker.habhub.org
[15:18] <_charlie> I think he means how to upload the decoded data for his own balloon.
[15:19] <edmoore> I think I understand. For the weather balloons operated by the meteo service, we do not track them normally. for amatuer balloons, the balloon operator makes a document, the 'paload document' and the 'flight document' which tells tracker.habhub.org that they exist and when they are flying
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MGSP_ONE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MGSP_ONE
[15:20] <edmoore> so you must make these doucments - a guide for doing that is here: http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
[15:21] <F5MVO> edmoore : thanks i look at
[15:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> F5MVO: you use aprs.fi map and habhub autmaticly imports them,
[15:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> some scrips https://github.com/darksidelemm/sondemonitorAPRS
[15:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://github.com/darksidelemm/sondemonitorAPRS
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[15:24] <F5MVO> yes it's ok on aprs.fi via sonde_to_aprs.py but i see nothing on tracker.habhub.org?
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might be better if they were on there own version of the map, its getting a bit slow as it is when you ask for all times all flights ?
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[15:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> F5MVO: and u use F5MVO-11 ? it should import all with -11 to habhub
[15:27] <F5MVO> yes i use F5MVO-11 and i gennerate my passcode
[15:27] Action: SpacenearUS got confused... send help
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[15:30] <F5MVO> <SA6BBS-Mike> yes i use F5MVO-11 and i gennerate my passcode
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[15:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is no station F5MVO-xx on aprs.fi ?
[15:33] <F5MVO> i just start again the payload
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> are its relayed via F5MVO-11 balloon callsign is M10
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[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> " M10 (from F5MVO-11) "
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[15:36] <F5MVO> yes sonde-to-aprs.py accept only aprsUser like aprs callsign, you see M10
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> confused
[15:41] <daveake> I think he wants to get sondes onto habhub via aprs
[15:41] <daveake> why I don't know
[15:41] <daveake> full enough if actual amateur flights
[15:41] <daveake> of
[15:41] <F5MVO> the list is full ?
[15:42] <daveake> we have a lot of flights these days
[15:42] <daveake> I don't know why you want to add radiosondes to it
[15:42] <daveake> Doesn't the usual sonde software have a map?
[15:42] <F5MVO> just for test
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[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sonde Monitor has its own maps and also outputs direct to Google Earth
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[16:06] <F5MVO> F5MVO-11 now on aprs.fi
[16:06] <lz1dev> .aprs info F5MVO-11
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03F5MVO-11 was near 03Val-d'Oise, France 10(48.99366,2.19083) at 03130 meters about 037 minutes ago - 12http://aprs.fi/info/F5MVO-11
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03F5MVO-11>APHAX0 via 03TCPIP*,qAC,T2NORWAY
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03/O Speed: 030kmph Course: 03242°
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03Clb=-.4m/s P=997.6hPa T=18.6oC U=75% ID=M10
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Status: 03test-radiosonde
[16:06] <lz1dev> .aprs add F5MVO-11
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03F5MVO-11 to APRS Importer
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[16:07] <Laurenceb_> http://wtfduino.co.uk/
[16:10] <_charlie> should have used more obscure connectors
[16:10] <_charlie> usb is too easy
[16:10] <_charlie> gpib or similar at least
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[16:25] <F5MVO> <SpacenearUS> nothing in tracker.habhub.org
[16:26] <lz1dev> F5MVO: SpacenearUS is a bot :)
[16:26] <lz1dev> .aprs ping F5MVO-11
[16:26] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest contact: 03F5MVO-11 10(27 minutes ago)
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[16:31] <F5MVO> i don't understand always not how F5KAV-11 broadcast on tracker.habhub.org ?
[16:36] <F5MVO> shame I have already forwarded the English balloon with fl-digi
[16:36] <lz1dev> F5MVO: it doesn't work for some reason
[16:36] <lz1dev> not sure why
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[16:37] <F5MVO> shame I have already forwarded the English balloon with Dl-Fl-digi
[16:37] <lz1dev> F5MVO: have you send more packets
[16:37] <lz1dev> it should work
[16:38] <F5MVO> It's work on aprs.fi , but nothing on tracker.habhub ?
[16:39] <F5MVO> perhaps the list is full, i tried latter, thanks all
[16:40] <lz1dev> F5MVO: you need to send packets, last one was 40 minutes ago
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[17:05] <daveake> <garymortimer> This ones off for tea and medals at the officers mess, RAF Waddington
[17:05] <daveake> Not far off ... RAF Digby
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[17:41] <daveake> "Payloads have been recovered from RAF digby and we are heading home. What a day"
[17:41] <Laurenceb> wow
[17:41] <Laurenceb> thats lucky
[17:42] <Laurenceb> someone in UK should try to Rx PS-46
[17:43] <_charlie> Aerial Erector school is in Digby, should've asked them ;)
[17:44] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Wonder what the duty officer's report is going to say about that? ;)
[17:46] <Laurenceb> aww its not on the map
[17:47] <Laurenceb> I'd like to see where it landed
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[17:50] <daveake> Not on map Laurenceb - their radio tracker didn't survive the launch
[17:51] <daveake> They had a backup GPS GSM thing
[17:51] <daveake> Dunno if that worked or it was spotted after landing
[17:55] <Laurenceb> ah
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[18:00] <Harvy> So KAREN was finally found by a patrol at RAF Digby. Very lucky to get it back.
[18:02] <Laurenceb> hopefully not on the runway
[18:07] Action: LazyLeopard heads for Gatwick.
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[18:07] <Harvy> I had a quick look on base but they didn't have a runway
[18:10] <Laurenceb> oh
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[19:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0BAH-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0BAH-7
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[19:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MM6 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM6
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[19:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-PITS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-PITS
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[20:05] <_charlie> Has anyone seen richardeoin recently?
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[20:19] <garymortimer> Just checking in and happy to see they got KAREN back, there are some parts of Waddington that would have most certainly not let them have their ball back and might have ended with a meeting on the 13th floor at Gatwick with no biscuits
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[20:32] <Harvy> Yeah this is definately something that will never happen again.
[20:33] <Harvy> We couldn't have planned it.
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[20:36] <adamgreig> How will you make sure it never happens again?
[20:38] <dsockwell> are you guys on the news?
[20:39] <Harvy> I mean never happens, as in these series of events are so extraordinary. I just can't happen again.
[20:39] <Harvy> We are on the news for our earlier launch.
[20:40] <Ian_> Harvy, lurking around RAF Digby with radio equipment is the sort of thing that gets you an interview . . . You must have been lucky. good job the cold war is over!
[20:40] <Harvy> Ian_, we kept everything hidden.
[20:40] <Ian_> Should have arrived at the Guard Room and asked to speak to FltSgt Brittain
[20:41] <Ian_> Lol, very in joke among the analysts there!
[20:41] <Ian_> Very wise given the nature of the establishment Harvy.
[20:43] <Harvy> Ian_, They were actually quite nice about it. The MPGS took us and gave us coffe and we showed them videos of previous launches.
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[21:00] <Ian_> Just imagine if your payload line had got wrapped around one of their nice wire antennas . . . :) no more coffee for these guys.
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[21:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-12 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-12
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[21:26] <sumie-dh> hia, have somebody information about other web plot visualization from MLS like on http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/~hcp/meso_ts/ ? I need it to 19.7. and this look that data are too old for this deadline
[21:30] Action: sumie-dh need it for confirmation of last NLC observation from 10.7. http://www.sumie-dh.cz/images/gallery/nlc-nlc-everywhere.jpg
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[21:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
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[22:05] <_charlie> what sort of pressures are latex balloons normally filled to?
[22:06] <pd3t> !flights
[22:06] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Current flights: 03VALLEY 10(26a5), 03MM6 10(9a9e), 03FERRER1 10(de19), 03KAREN 10(ee79), 03WA4LOQ 10(4f1b), 03SP3OSJ 144.7MHz RTTY 100bd 450/7n2 10(b234)
[22:15] <craag> _charlie: very very little. the balloon is more of an envelope to hold the gas.
[22:15] <_charlie> awesome, thanks
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[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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