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[04:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9UKT-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9UKT-7
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[07:04] <number10> probably old news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33420413
[07:06] <lz1dev> there was another guy that did that in the middle of desert tho
[07:07] <lz1dev> and shot the balloons with a shotgun
[07:08] <fsphil> charged with "mischief"
[07:09] <fsphil> I'd better not move to Canada
[07:10] <lz1dev> surely doing that in any city would result in charges
[07:10] <lz1dev> in=over
[07:10] <fsphil> yea. dropping a chair from that altitude anywhere is a bit reckless
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[07:54] <russss> charged with third degree shenanigans
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[08:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030x07 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0x07
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[09:42] <eroomde> adamgreig: do you know if Big Range is happening this year? / happened
[09:49] <Vaizki> ok noob question on modulation.. if a signal generator has FM modulation and 4FSK modulation capability with an external modulation source.. what's the difference really? Can't I just use FM modulation and feed in 4 different levels..
[09:50] <Vaizki> I am clearly missing something here about how the modulation works.. because when I used the NTX2B, it's a FM transmitter and happily does FSK for RTTY
[09:52] <eroomde> if it has a voltage input that does fm modulation then it should be able to do xFSK where x is some arbitrary integer
[09:52] <eroomde> so you should be able to treat it like an ntx2b
[09:52] <Vaizki> so what other kind of input could it be?
[09:52] <eroomde> so yes i think you're right - you should just able able to feed in 4 different voltage levels
[09:52] <eroomde> *ASSUMING*
[09:52] <eroomde> it's DC-coupled
[09:53] <eroomde> if it's not, you're stuffed
[09:54] <ibanezmatt13> I'm looking at designing a HAB pcb based on an ARM chip like the stm32 stuff in Eagle, just wondering if anybody can recommend a good way to get started in terms of wiring it up? Seems a big step up from AVR
[09:56] <eroomde> the pcb layout is actually broadly the same
[09:56] <craag> ibanezmatt13: You could take a look at mattbrejza 's tracker boards
[09:56] <Vaizki> eroomde, hmm ok.. so why do they have a separate FSK, 3FSK and 4FSK modulation mode? :O
[09:56] <eroomde> you will have multiple VCC/GND pairs, they all want decoupling caps as with avr
[09:56] <eroomde> an xtal
[09:56] <eroomde> probably a clenaer supply for the adc power and reference
[09:56] <ibanezmatt13> oh that's handy then
[09:56] <eroomde> Vaizki: oh, you might be able to input digital data
[09:57] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: it's only software where there's a bit more complexity in use
[09:57] <eroomde> for whichever chip you try (e.g. lpc812 like james used on the latest node) there will probably be an accompanying application note from the manufacturer to explain how to design it into a pcb
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[09:57] <ibanezmatt13> right ok, good stuff. I'll have a glance at Matt's boards craag
[09:58] <craag> There's also ofc example diagrams in the datasheets/manuals
[09:58] <Vaizki> eroomde, never mind at least this rigol manual says.. "4FSK uses internal modulation source and the modulating waveform is Sine."
[09:58] <ibanezmatt13> So with ARM stuff, once you've decided on the appropriate cortex, is there then a range of chips to select from, i.e. with different number of GPIO pins etc?
[09:58] <eroomde> yes
[09:59] <Vaizki> loads of different ones
[09:59] <eroomde> so arm designes the core processor
[09:59] <eroomde> they then license that to loads of different companies
[09:59] <eroomde> TI, ST, Atmel, NXP, Samsung, whoever
[09:59] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see
[09:59] <Vaizki> most of the ARM chips have a ton of I/O, counters and other peripherals
[09:59] <eroomde> and those companies will attach their own peripahels (timers, ADC, SPI, etc) to that core and package them as chips
[10:00] <eroomde> so if you want my advaice, go with Cortex-M0
[10:00] <eroomde> (or M0+ which has identical instruction set)
[10:00] <SA6BSS> you have a couple of examples here https://github.com/DL7AD/pecanpico6 http://www.dooce.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projekte:utrak:hardware
[10:00] <eroomde> those are the simplest and the easiest to learn
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> Will do, thanks
[10:00] <Vaizki> or m0+
[10:00] <eroomde> atmel and ST and NXP all make good ones
[10:00] <eroomde> e.g. Atmels D11 range or the LPC81x range
[10:01] <ibanezmatt13> yeah the st stuff seems popular
[10:01] <ibanezmatt13> thanks for those SA6BSS
[10:02] <Vaizki> don't forget the lpc1114fn28 :)
[10:02] <Vaizki> I think it's the only ARM in a breadboardable DIP package
[10:02] <craag> https://github.com/suspaceflight/lora-tracker
[10:03] <ibanezmatt13> I'm gonna have a play with a dev board to get the hang of it also
[10:03] <craag> basestation and non-th tracker in there are stm32
[10:03] <eroomde> the discovery dev boards for the stm parts are good
[10:03] <eroomde> very cheap
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[10:04] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[10:06] <Vaizki> I think the nucleos are under £10 each so you could just make a tracker by slapping a board on top of one
[10:06] <fsphil> too cheap. you may end up with several :)
[10:06] <Vaizki> like http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/nucleo-f030r8/nucleo-board-stm32f030r8t6-mcu/dp/2394225
[10:07] <eroomde> oh wow that is cheap
[10:07] <ibanezmatt13> yep, got two this morning :)
[10:07] <eroomde> i wish the st dev boards came with the more standard cortex jtag header
[10:07] <fsphil> great, another board...
[10:08] <Vaizki> that one also has a a break-away st-link on it
[10:08] <eroomde> sure
[10:08] <Vaizki> which is basically a mcu board on it's own :)
[10:08] <eroomde> but i'd like a normal jtag connection
[10:08] <Vaizki> yea but just saying a lot of BoM for £7.67
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[10:08] <fsphil> I've yet to properly use jtag
[10:10] <ibanezmatt13> question about ground loops. I don't know what they are really, but I was wondering why it's recomended you do things like, have a separate ground pour for the gps and a load of ground vias underneath
[10:11] <Vaizki> you can also get Cortex M4 nucleos for the same price but I guess they draw more power
[10:13] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13: short answer: just have a nice ground plane on the bottom that everything connects to
[10:13] <mattbrejza> long answer: http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5450
[10:14] <ibanezmatt13> I guess I'll opt for the shorter one for now :)
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[10:17] <Vaizki> https://developer.mbed.org/platforms/ST-Nucleo-L053R8/
[10:17] <Vaizki> looks nice that one too
[10:17] <Vaizki> they've been busy
[10:18] <Vaizki> several new (to me) low power boards
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[10:23] <Vaizki> and this.. https://developer.mbed.org/platforms/ST-Nucleo-L152RE/
[10:23] <Vaizki> apparently runs at 195uA/MHz in 8 or 16MHz at 1.65V
[10:23] <Vaizki> damn
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[10:25] <Vaizki> mattbrejza, wow nice AN there.. thanks
[10:27] <SA6BSS> fun pic of the day, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/IMG20150707121828_rsz.jpg it does not take mouch to get the tracker going
[10:27] <SA6BSS> it can even operate without any cap or battery
[10:27] <SA6BSS> as a power reserve
[10:27] <eroomde> don't fly NiMH betts tho :)
[10:28] <eroomde> batts*
[10:28] <SA6BSS> I know :)
[10:28] <eroomde> good just checking
[10:28] <eroomde> wouldn't want you to lose all that lovely work
[10:28] <SA6BSS> just fun to see how long it will run tonight as the sun goes down
[10:29] <Vaizki> lora tracker that?
[10:29] <mattbrejza> looks like a rfm69 (so no, fsk)
[10:30] <SA6BSS> nop, just an rfm22
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[10:51] <adamgreig> eroomde: afaik it's not on
[10:51] <adamgreig> in any event they never emailed me after the initial flurry last year
[10:51] <eroomde> what a troubled event
[10:51] <eroomde> it had potential
[10:51] <eroomde> i think there has only been one
[10:52] <adamgreig> indeed
[10:59] <infaddict> what was it eroomde adamgreig?
[10:59] <adamgreig> big rocket launch event in scotland
[10:59] <adamgreig> nice high altitude cap
[10:59] <eroomde> the highest alt ceiling of any uk event
[10:59] <adamgreig> 'big' refers to the rockets and altitude, not the number of people
[10:59] <eroomde> hence quite interesting
[10:59] <eroomde> well we had maybe 20 people the first event
[10:59] <eroomde> for a week
[11:00] <eroomde> not enormous but a nice jolly feeling
[11:00] <eroomde> filled two hunting lodges
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F5KAV-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5KAV-11
[11:00] <eroomde> infaddict: it was very remote
[11:00] <eroomde> Ben Armine
[11:00] <eroomde> right up in the tip of scotland
[11:00] <infaddict> lovely
[11:00] <infaddict> bit of a trek for you Southerners
[11:00] <eroomde> yeah
[11:00] <eroomde> a nice road trip
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[11:01] <eroomde> but it really was remote up there, by uk standards https://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/7316189456/in/album-72157630002319102/
[11:02] <Laurenceb> rfcomm10 {
[11:02] <Laurenceb> bind yes
[11:02] <Laurenceb> oops
[11:02] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33409311 is what i meanty to post
[11:03] <Laurenceb> looks like some sort of small arm
[11:03] <eroomde> but it seemed to have some issues with organization (and generally UKRA seems like a pretty squabbling oragnization) and doesn't seem to have happened since
[11:03] <eroomde> which is a shame
[11:03] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit
[11:03] <adamgreig> UKRA has had some leadership issues this year as I understand it
[11:04] <Laurenceb> mbed, probably lpc then
[11:04] <eroomde> i think it's had them for about ten years
[11:04] <mattbrejza> 'Nordic Semiconductor - supplying the main processor and enabled Bluetooth Smart'
[11:04] <adamgreig> at their most recent AGM they voted on "UKRA will continue to offer memberships for 2015"
[11:05] <Vaizki> sounds like a time to start something fresh...
[11:06] <eroomde> doubt it
[11:06] <adamgreig> the vote passed
[11:07] <eroomde> there is a mentality that says 'i have hobby x and so let's start a committee i offer to be chairman let's have an agm and a board and a consitution my chum shall be secretary'
[11:07] <eroomde> etc etc
[11:07] <eroomde> it attracts off people, especially people attracted to being big fish in small ponds because their professional life doesn't allow them to be as big a fish as they'd like
[11:07] <eroomde> and i think it's corrosive
[11:08] <eroomde> the few times people have started talking about boards and committees in UKHAS i've been quite loud in trying to kill it
[11:08] <Vaizki> sure, Finland is also the promised land of associations and clubs..
[11:08] <eroomde> if you want to 'start something fresh' in rocketry the way you do it is by organizing a well run event and/or building interesting rockets
[11:08] <eroomde> the rest will take care of itself
[11:08] <Vaizki> I meant start a fresh event or something, a loose organization that only does the event - not try to micro manage the world 365 days a year
[11:09] <eroomde> yeah
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[11:09] <eroomde> in much the same way that the success of ukhas is because people volunteer to make good tools (all the tracking and predictor) and share info on the wiki and on here and so on
[11:10] <Vaizki> UKRA news doesn't look too good.. 4 out of 7 council members have resigned in the last 2 months?
[11:10] <eroomde> it's not because frustrated-bob-from-stoke has decided that hab needs a committee and everyone needs to be brow-beaten into joining it and having AGMs
[11:11] <eroomde> the only real useful point of a UKRA committee i can see if insurance and handling motor certification for UK importing
[11:11] <Vaizki> yea it's all positive energy that makes changes
[11:12] <eroomde> we have neither of those legal problems
[11:12] <Vaizki> too organized and it's just the negative energy that accomplishes anything
[11:12] <adamgreig> insurance is just as readily obtained by joining the BMFA directly
[11:12] <adamgreig> certing motors is the thing really. and I guess S&T might have some insurance complications?
[11:13] <eroomde> what worked with Big Range was that they found a place to launch and organized food and board, and just presented that as a packaged price
[11:13] <eroomde> that was great
[11:13] <eroomde> there were other organizational issues that affected the first one, but to a first approximation that was what was offered and it worked
[11:14] <eroomde> there was a lot of crap about who could RSO what and with what and when and what counted as experimental and blah-de-blah
[11:14] <eroomde> that was tiresome
[11:14] <eroomde> there was a serious, serious cok-up with tranposrting of motors
[11:14] <eroomde> and there were people who all dislike each other within ukra trying to interfere with things
[11:15] <infaddict> was it a competition or just fun
[11:16] <eroomde> no jsut for fun
[11:16] <eroomde> honestly just a 'we've got a 25km ceiling and a week, and you can stay in these hunting lodges. come!'
[11:16] <eroomde> and that alone is attractive
[11:16] <eroomde> we decided to build something for it
[11:16] <adamgreig> how does insurance interplay with RSO and cert levels?
[11:17] <adamgreig> it's always weird how these things become intermingled with the law
[11:17] <eroomde> you need an L3 RSO to do experimental flights (maybe)
[11:17] <adamgreig> "need"?
[11:17] <eroomde> and you need to have an L3 already to fly experimental (apparently)
[11:17] <eroomde> or else you find an L3 to say it's there and do it anyway
[11:17] <eroomde> similar bullshit to what cath threw up infront of you
[11:18] <adamgreig> and what counts as "experimental" is also a bit silly
[11:18] <adamgreig> mm
[11:18] <eroomde> it just attracts that kind of annoying person
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[11:19] <Vaizki> in the U.S. you drive to the desert, launch and shout 'MUUURIIICCAAAA F*K YEAH!
[11:19] <adamgreig> well..
[11:20] <fsphil> then get arrested
[11:20] <fsphil> or shot. the cops like to shoot people there
[11:20] <eroomde> Vaizki: adamgreig did that last year
[11:20] <eroomde> and maybe this year
[11:20] <eroomde> cusf attempt 2 at launching big stuff
[11:20] <Vaizki> :)
[11:21] <adamgreig> got my tickets, it's happening this year
[11:22] <adamgreig> not much choice - can't keep the airframe out there antoher year so easily and the motor has a best-before
[11:22] <eroomde> yeah
[11:22] <eroomde> henry is moving
[11:22] <adamgreig> right
[11:22] <eroomde> so that hanger will go
[11:22] <adamgreig> sad
[11:22] <eroomde> i'm sure he'll get another
[11:22] <eroomde> it's only to LA
[11:22] <adamgreig> he's moving further down the coast or something?
[11:22] <adamgreig> yea
[11:23] <adamgreig> a bit less convenient for black rock mind :p
[11:23] <adamgreig> so yea, we should hopefully be going up this year
[11:23] <adamgreig> fingers crossed for better weather
[11:24] <eroomde> you can do 1000NM in a varieze
[11:25] <adamgreig> not sure it has the hold space for the airframe
[11:25] <adamgreig> could always strap it to the roof I guess :p
[11:31] <Vaizki> sound crazy and really really nice
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[12:27] <SpeedEvil> <RadSurfer> [Marcia Smith 3m: ISS R&D Conf 2day: Mike Suffredini, 8:15 am ET; Elon Musk 8:30; panel w/Gerstenmaier, Sirangelo, others, 9:45-11:00. http://www.issconference.org/livestream.php ]
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[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Starting now
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[13:00] <eroomde> re:earlier conversation, if you want to look at some atmel samd11 (nice cortexm0 parts) then their wee dev board is half price at farnell atm
[13:00] <eroomde> https://uk.farnell.com/atmel/atsamd11-xpro/eval-brd-samd11d14a-smart-xplained/dp/2451534?CMP=e-email-070715-Atmel&catalogId=15001&storeId=10151&storeId=10151&krypto=U7t07cfhanWDPkgKqjWFX0%2BYJONt2ncoClwLU7jUNDYPpKSxMJvsgof4jxzem2a%2B3NnEdLb7s6Xm%0AT9JsFFu5S3TcQTTSMHWrxHEnNu8cjuhgefGvLAuuxgDXoDeA0NQP2DGALCGzd5ATY%2F%2F032g8a6iD%0ATHzPXoDlcTSsUA49F%2FiIVS%2FRJh6a9RsDWDNS7ZHYUIIl%2FXiypGY55d65LwSuJ6kJ
[13:00] <eroomde> 7vO6%2BbeI6rEu%0AUJKDPFGaauNv%2BmieeG87d26Ct6Vhh8ogWKf649A%3D
[13:00] <eroomde> sorry that's an unhelpful url, let me find a shorter one
[13:01] <eroomde> http://uk.farnell.com/atmel/atsamd11-xpro/eval-brd-samd11d14a-smart-xplained/dp/2451534?ost=2451534
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[13:06] <nick_> This reminds me, I really should just lay out a simple stm32f0 breakout board.
[13:09] <eroomde> do
[13:11] <nick_> There's a cheap small one I was just going to break out the 20 pins.
[13:12] <eroomde> that's more-or-less all that atmel one is
[13:12] <nick_> Except then it should be £2
[13:13] <eroomde> yes that's true
[13:13] <nick_> In quantities of 10 the STM32F03 20 pin TSSOP is 75 p
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[13:14] <nick_> Throw in a few cm^2 PCB, a few resistors, caps and some pins and it should be dirt cheap.
[13:23] <ve3kcl> !ping PS-46
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> 03ve3kcl: Last contact with 03PS-46 was 0322 minutes ago
[13:23] <DL7AD> !ping DL7AD-11
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: Last contact with 03DL7AD-11 was 033 days ago
[13:24] <DL7AD> .hysplit DL7AD-11
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[13:24] <DL7AD> !hysplit DL7AD-11
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[13:25] <Vaizki> eroomde, it's still almost 3x the price of the nucleus..
[13:26] <eroomde> Vaizki: you can do arithmetic too
[13:26] <eroomde> excellent
[13:26] <Vaizki> thank you, thank you!
[13:26] <Vaizki> (maybe I missed the point then)
[13:27] <eroomde> anything under £20 for a dev board is much the same anyway really
[13:27] <eroomde> you just want to have a play with the chip to see if it's useful for a design
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[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA7JRS-9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA7JRS-9_chase
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[13:41] <Laurenceb> anyone here ever done anything with bluetooth under linux?
[13:42] <Laurenceb> I want to get diagnostic info from devices (available profiles etc)
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[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03H4M15H - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=H4M15H
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[15:22] <darts> Hi
[15:23] <darts> I am using a ublox M8Q GPS with passive antenna bought on HAB supplies. I am sitting out side in the balcony with view of the sky and yet the GPS does not find satellites.
[15:23] <darts> any idea what might be wrong?
[15:23] <darts> I was able to set it to flight mode though
[15:24] <craag> Hi darts
[15:24] <craag> Please post a photo of your setup
[15:24] <darts> hi craag
[15:25] <craag> (It's a lot easier than many minutes asking various questions about it)
[15:31] <mattbrejza> does it have an antenna?
[15:31] <darts> yes, it does - a passive one
[15:31] <darts> uploading the pics, please give me a min
[15:34] <craag> I'd suggest http://imgur.com/ for the pics, no signup needed
[15:34] <darts> http://imgur.com/KvwNrtI,yl18vxb
[15:35] <darts> messy setup :)
[15:36] <craag> So... gps antennas don't work well when right next to metal objects
[15:36] <craag> such as the bottom layer of veroboard
[15:36] <darts> oh!!
[15:37] <darts> I was looking at other payloads where they had done something similar and so I did the same (thinking that the veroboard will offer some support)
[15:37] <craag> the black radome (with the antenna in it) wants to be at least an inch (ideally more) from metal objects
[15:37] <darts> so is there anything that can be done to isolate the GPS from the boarad
[15:38] <craag> turn it around the antenna is off the edge of the board?
[15:38] <craag> or have it vertically on the board even
[15:38] <craag> either would get the antenna into more 'free space'
[15:39] <darts> oh...I see
[15:39] <darts> I will do that and check it out
[15:39] <darts> thanks for the tip
[15:39] <craag> also
[15:39] <craag> ucenter is a useful bit of software for seeing how it's doing
[15:40] <craag> (free download from ublox, runs fine under wine)
[15:41] <luteijn|pc1pcl> wasn't there also a huge metal railing/fence involved with that balcony?
[15:41] <darts> but I have connected the GPS to my Raspberry pi
[15:41] <craag> darts: Ah fair enough
[15:41] <darts> so I need to install the ucenter software on raspi?
[15:41] <craag> Thought it might be plugged into the laptop - couldn't tell
[15:41] <craag> no
[15:41] <craag> it's a windows gui software
[15:42] <darts> I can connect it to my laptop too
[15:42] <darts> what about the railing on the balcony?
[15:42] <craag> If you try moving it, and are still struggling, give that a go
[15:42] <luteijn|pc1pcl> for now I guess you just need to have the raspberry show you what it's receiving over the serial line form the GPS, and then 'decode' the number of sats seen etc. by eye.
[15:42] <craag> it'll give you a bit more accurate info about exactly how well the hps is doing
[15:42] <craag> *gps
[15:42] <luteijn|pc1pcl> the railing might also qualify as 'large piece of metal near antenna'
[15:43] <craag> I see no railing within a couple of inches :P
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[15:47] <luteijn|pc1pcl> just thinking back on an earlier picture I think we had here. might have been another project in similar stage though.
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[15:56] <darts> Thanks. I am going to connect the GPS to windows and see if I find out what is going on
[15:56] <darts> bye for now
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[15:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUNCH1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUNCH1
[16:00] <Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37954.140
[16:00] <Laurenceb> Hallam makes an entry
[16:00] <Laurenceb> interesting that Musk seems to be saying they still dont know 100% what went wrong
[16:05] <russss> so much speculation
[16:05] <Laurenceb> lulz
[16:05] <Laurenceb> I dont know why they bother
[16:06] <Laurenceb> actually that applies to everything no that forum
[16:06] <Laurenceb> *on
[16:06] <russss> hah
[16:07] <russss> I like NSF, but some people on there have way too much time on their hands
[16:09] <russss> I am expecting SpaceX's statement to be "the front fell off"
[16:10] <Laurenceb> that doesnt really tally with the evidence
[16:10] <Laurenceb> I expect helium issue
[16:10] <adamgreig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> The front falling off almost does match.
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> The oxygen tank and then the kerosene tanks actually fail quite slowly
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> What the initial failure is - I'm betting on high-altitude geese.
[16:12] <russss> the lesser-spotted medium-range ballistic goose
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.issconference.org/livestream.php - still on - on crystallography and drug synthesis on ISS
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[16:20] <Laurenceb> arent they high enough already?
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[16:30] <Upu> reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5QwKEwo4Bc adamgreig
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[16:35] <Vaizki> Upu: thanks for reminding me of that :)
[16:40] <ibanezmatt13_> I'm looking at this way of toggling an LED in C on AVR: PORTB ^= (1 << 0). I'm not quite up to scratch with the bitwise operators yet, but I thought 1 << 0 would read as "shifting 00000001 0 bits to the left" to become exactly the same thing :/
[16:40] <adamgreig> yes
[16:40] <adamgreig> 1<<0 == 1
[16:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-14 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-14
[16:40] <adamgreig> but it's a convenient notation for if you wanted to touch another pin
[16:40] <adamgreig> like (1<<4) is pin 4
[16:40] <adamgreig> PB4
[16:40] <adamgreig> and (1<<0) is PB0
[16:41] <adamgreig> the compiler can optimise them all to constants before it touches the AVR anyway
[16:41] <ibanezmatt13_> Ok, so is it the ^= that does the toggling here?
[16:41] <adamgreig> so it doesn't really matter, just makes it a bit easier to read/change
[16:41] <adamgreig> yes
[16:41] <ibanezmatt13_> XOR I believe
[16:41] <adamgreig> PORTB ^= (1<<0) is the same as PORTB = PORTB ^ 1
[16:41] <adamgreig> correct, ^ is XOR
[16:41] <adamgreig> XORing with 0 does nothing always (1^0==1 and 0^0==0)
[16:42] <adamgreig> but if bit 0 was already set to 1, then ^ with 1 gives you 0 (turns it off)
[16:42] <adamgreig> and if it was already 0, ^ with 1 gives you 1
[16:42] <adamgreig> so it won't touch bits 1 through 7
[16:42] <adamgreig> but toggles bit 0
[16:42] <ibanezmatt13_> ahh right
[16:42] <ibanezmatt13_> makes sense
[16:42] <ibanezmatt13_> excellent, thanks adamgreig :)
[16:42] <adamgreig> np
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[16:59] <Vaizki> for completeness, AND with 0 to turn off PORTB &= (1 << 0) and OR with 1 to turn on PORTB |= (1 << 0)
[17:00] <Vaizki> ooops
[17:00] <Vaizki> I failed. to turn off you need to: PORTB &= ~(1 << 0) .. ok google it ;)
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[17:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0304766004_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=04766004_chase
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[17:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CAR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CAR_chase
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:59] <tweetBot> @chimpusmaximus: Why is it that things start to fail as my payload takes shape. Must have damaged Pi camera... #HAB #ukhas
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[21:49] <SpeedEvil> http://stuffin.space/ does what it says on the URL
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[22:10] <lz1dev> $ curl -i http://stuffin.space/TLE.jso
[22:10] <lz1dev> Content-Length: 0
[22:10] <lz1dev> :[
[22:12] <lz1dev> dear Shashwat Kandadai, why did you have to minify the source?
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[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Indeed, I posted it before it loaded
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