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[04:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO4SJI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO4SJI-11
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[08:24] <chimpusmaximus> Morning, just looking at Balloon Gas options and i'm aware of the new GENIE gas cylinders but wanted to find out what sort of adapter i might need to connect up to one?
[08:26] <daveake> See Steve's mail, or ask BOC. Don't think anyone else here has used one yet.
[08:27] <chimpusmaximus> ok cheers, i'll take a look over google groups. Any ideas of conditions you might need to meet to set up a BOC account, eg can an individual?
[08:29] <fsphil> individual is fine, I have one
[08:29] <chimpusmaximus> thanks, might pop down my local depot and discuss options.
[08:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
[08:32] <gonzo_> BOC will do it all on the phone
[08:33] <chimpusmaximus> Its really an excuse to go to cafe next door
[08:48] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
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[08:57] <sq5kvs> Hi Altitude!
[08:58] <x-f> Hi High!
[08:59] <sq5kvs> July Morning
[09:00] <sq5kvs> June is much better..
[09:00] <eroomde> cooler certainly
[09:01] <eroomde> it got so hot at work yesterday that we decided we would, today, spend the afternoon with a massive watergun thing
[09:01] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uofymxe90hpo6gi/2015-06-11%2015.50.02.jpg?dl=0
[09:01] <eroomde> it lives inside that tube on a trolley
[09:01] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9ojaw98hzxf83p/2015-06-11%2015.10.56.jpg?dl=0
[09:01] <eroomde> that's looking up it
[09:01] <eroomde> through that spray ring gets dumped 40L/s of water
[09:02] <eroomde> it should make quite a nice tropical storm to run through
[09:02] <chimpusmaximus> nice
[09:06] <sq5kvs> eroomde: cooler, indeed, but just I like the spring
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[09:08] <sq5kvs> eroomde: Can I order this thing? They predict for saturday 35*C about
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[09:09] <eroomde> sq5kvs: we will happily sell you one
[09:10] <sq5kvs> :D
[09:10] <x-f> get a snowblower, sq5kvs, they make a nice rain when running in temps above -5C
[09:10] <sq5kvs> Any samples? :D
[09:10] <eroomde> but i doubt you'd like the cost of one-off prototypes designed by rocket people with an expensive hourley rate
[09:10] <sq5kvs> x-f: I know
[09:10] <sq5kvs> http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MU_Warschau_avn.png
[09:10] <eroomde> and look at the quality of that bent and welded tube manifold for the spray nozzles
[09:10] <eroomde> that kind of craftsmanship doesn't come cheap
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[09:13] <sq5kvs> I like crafts :)
[09:13] <eroomde> i like my workplace
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[09:14] <eroomde> i was just looking for a fairly obscure text book on amazon, that someone referenced, and i asked one of my colleagues if they had come across it and had an opinion on it and if it was worth getting
[09:14] <eroomde> he rummaged under a 2ft tall pile of paperwork on his desk and pulled out a copy of it
[09:14] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[09:16] <sq5kvs> eroomde: You're lucky.
[09:17] <eroomde> yeah, saves me spending £50
[09:18] <sq5kvs> no. I'm thinking about Your workplace
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[09:19] <sq5kvs> eroomde: maybe you can hire one employee from mideurope? :D
[09:20] <sq5kvs> ( small autopromotion)
[09:21] <eroomde> we have no geographic constraints on hiring anyone
[09:21] <infaddict> ability to make a good cuppa is preferred tho
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[09:21] <sq5kvs> (but I'm not a plumber)
[09:22] <eroomde> that's a shame as plumbing is what we do
[09:23] <sq5kvs> :D
[09:23] <eroomde> https://twitter.com/arkorobotics/status/499842435178979329
[09:24] <sq5kvs> Your are artist! :D
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[09:24] <Vega-1> Hi there.....
[09:25] <Vega-1> Somebody can help me with a HAB launch?
[09:25] <UpuWork> the actual launch or tracker etc ?
[09:26] <Vega-1> I have my payload ready for launch the july 4 and I have the flight document but my flight isnot in the calendar....
[09:27] <UpuWork> did you get your flight document approved ?
[09:27] <Vega-1> I dont know how to do that
[09:27] <UpuWork> join #habhub
[09:28] <UpuWork> type /join #habhub :)
[09:28] <Vega-1> Ok i go to try.... thank you very much....
[09:28] <UpuWork> its the channel we sort this sort of thing out on
[09:29] <Vega-1> Sorry but I dont know how to join to #habhub
[09:29] <UpuWork> can you double click the "#habhub" bit ?
[09:29] <Vega-1> where?
[09:29] <UpuWork> 1 sec phone
[09:30] <infaddict> Vega-1: in your IRC client you need to join the #habhub channel. either type /join #habhub or use your menus.
[09:30] <luteijn|pc1pcl> depends a bit on your client, but if you're using a webbased one, perhaps there is a '#highaltitude' that you can replace with '#habhub' in the url?
[09:30] <infaddict> in most clients the channel will then by shown on left or right menus
[09:30] <eroomde> type the following into your text bok, without the quotes: "/join #habhub"
[09:31] <infaddict> also i notice your payload is untested
[09:31] <infaddict> ideally you need to test it and get a good sentence decoded/uploaded before your flight
[09:32] <luteijn|pc1pcl> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=habhub would probably work.
[09:32] <Vega-1> It is tested yet, 3 or 4 times but maybe the name was different
[09:33] <eroomde> you managed
[09:34] <Vega-1> Sorry I cant understand you.... my english is very poor
[09:34] <sq5kvs> eroomde: Your chart is true only if You hire the pyromaniac
[09:34] <eroomde> sq5kvs: we are all pyromaniacal here
[09:34] <eroomde> no need to worry about that
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[09:36] <infaddict> Vega-1: your English is great btw
[09:37] <luteijn|pc1pcl> better than my (and probably quite a few others' here) Spanish, in any case
[09:37] <Vega-1> Ok.....:)
[09:37] <eroomde> yes your english is a lot better than many on this channel who speak english as a second language
[09:37] <eroomde> don't worry about that
[09:37] <Vega-1> I joined in #habhub
[09:38] <Vega-1> There are spanish people here?
[09:38] <Vega-1> Or Im the first HABHUB spanish HABer?
[09:39] <eroomde> there are some
[09:39] <eroomde> well, there was a GUY FROM CATALONIA - I DON'T KNOW IF HE'D BE ANNOYED AT BEING CALLED SPANISH :)
[09:39] <eroomde> sorry capslock
[09:39] <gonzo_> shhh
[09:40] <eroomde> and some english people have launched from spain because it has very good aircraft laws
[09:40] <Vega-1> Catalonia is a Spanish Region but they want to separate from Spanish.... not all
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[09:40] <eroomde> but the more spanish the better
[09:40] <Vega-1> Better laws than in Europe/UK?
[09:40] <eroomde> yeah
[09:40] <eroomde> you can drop UAVs i think
[09:41] <Vega-1> I think not. Our government is making laws with more restrictions....
[09:42] <Vega-1> I have a question....
[09:43] <Vega-1> When I launch my balloon its posible tah somebody help me with the tracking?
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[09:43] <Vega-1> Help me with is SDR/Radio and antenna...
[09:43] <eroomde> i'm sure some people will try, however there are not many listeners in spain
[09:43] <eroomde> the best thing to do is to announce your launch on the UKHAS mailing list and appeal for spanish trackers
[09:43] <Vega-1> Yes, there are very few HABers in Spain
[09:43] <eroomde> you *definitely* must have your own working, reliable tracking system when you launch
[09:44] <eroomde> at the launch site and in the chase car
[09:44] <eroomde> *never* rely on someone else to track for you
[09:44] <eroomde> you will very likely lose your payload and get zero sympathy
[09:44] <luteijn|pc1pcl> if it goes up reasonably high, we will be able to listen remotely, but the first and last bits of the trip the transmiter will be under the horizon for most of us.
[09:45] <Vega-1> Yes, I know, I have 2 Yagi and 1 SDR generic and 1 Funcube Dongle pro +
[09:45] <eroomde> yes, to give you an idea, when flights happen in the UK there are often people tracking in france and the netherlands and so on
[09:45] <eroomde> but there are not that many tracker in spain or the south of france
[09:45] <Vega-1> I have tested my tracking 30 km away and very good
[09:45] <eroomde> ok, the funcube pro is great so you should be fine
[09:46] <eroomde> maybe give the generic sdr stuff to a friend somewhere down your predicted flight path
[09:47] <eroomde> (another friend in a car maybe)
[09:47] <Vega-1> Predictions say that my balloon will touch the ground 50 km away
[09:47] <gonzo_> also, try and get some interest in the amateur radio community, and get more receiving stations on the air in spain
[09:47] <eroomde> if you have 2 yagi, you hopefully won't need them, but you can have one at each end and take bearings to the payload if the gps fails
[09:48] <eroomde> yes, i would start emailing local amateur radio groups now
[09:48] <eroomde> with details of your flight and a link to the ukhas wiki about tracking balloons
[09:48] <Vega-1> One car in the launch point with the SDR generic and one car waiting in the middle of balloon path... its correct?
[09:48] <eroomde> and email the ukhas mailing list and make sure to ask for spanish/south-of-france listeners
[09:48] <eroomde> Vega-1: yes that would be a good stragety
[09:49] <eroomde> or the other car can even be nearer the predicted landing point
[09:49] <eroomde> i recommend the car at the launch site packs up quickly and chases after the balloon after launch
[09:49] <sq5kvs> believe or not but the rtl dongle (RTL832T2 ) has enough sensitivity to track 10mW tracker from hundreds km
[09:49] <sq5kvs> with yagi beam of course
[09:50] <eroomde> though a saw+filter helps a bit
[09:50] <eroomde> sorry, amp+filter
[09:51] <Vega-1> Yes, that is...... when my second tracking car hooks the balloon the launch car drive quickly to the predicted touchdown point
[09:52] <eroomde> yes
[09:52] <eroomde> anything like that sounds good
[09:52] <Vega-1> Thank you very much guys.... I need te return to my job.... in 4 or 5 hours I ll perform another payload test....
[09:52] <eroomde> just keep good contact between the two cars so you can change plans quickly if you need
[09:53] <eroomde> e.g. you might accidently fill the balloon too little
[09:53] <eroomde> so it goes up very slowly
[09:53] <eroomde> so you both might have to drive another 100km down range
[09:53] <eroomde> (it can happen!)
[09:53] <eroomde> good luck
[09:53] <eroomde> have one or both cars on this channel during the flight
[09:53] <eroomde> we can help with landing spot predictions and so on
[09:53] <luteijn|pc1pcl> as you can maybe see from the Portuguese balloon's blue circle, http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=1_day&f=CT2JVS , not that many listening stations at all near, although there might be people that could set something up if they know about the launch. So sending a launch announcement and having it on the calendar might help.
[09:54] <Vega-1> Yes I know... I have a pirotechinc cutdown device to avoid that problem
[09:54] <eroomde> excellent
[09:54] <Vega-1> My tracker y made for my. Is a PIC custom PCB.....
[09:55] <Vega-1> Trimble Copernicus II, NTX2,
[09:55] <eroomde> got a picture?
[09:55] <eroomde> we love home-made trackers here
[09:55] <luteijn|pc1pcl> maybe even a website/blog about it?
[09:56] <Vega-1> I dont have time to do that, sorry....
[09:57] <Vega-1> I dont have here any pics of mi PICTracker..... In 4 hours, in my house I can sen you...
[09:57] <eroomde> excellent
[09:58] <Vega-1> Ok guys....I must to hang..... In four or 5 hours I connect again....
[09:58] <Vega-1> Thank you very much........ Bye
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[09:59] <sq5kvs> Don Diego de la Vega
[09:59] <sq5kvs> ;)
[10:01] <sq5kvs> (zorro)
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[10:26] <michal_f> hi
[10:26] <eroomde> good morning michal_f
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[10:42] <infaddict> morning
[10:46] <infaddict> Do most people use Helium for their gas? Interested in experiences of other alternatives.
[10:47] <eroomde> the answer to your question is yes
[10:47] <infaddict> Such as hydrogen. Wondering if that is better/cheaper... googling for costs now
[10:47] <eroomde> the answer to the question you are probably meaning to ask is don't be afriad of hydrogen, it's fine and much cheaper and has better lift performance
[10:47] <sq5kvs> I was trying with carbon dioxide but without significant results :D
[10:48] <infaddict> thx eroomde - i notice the calculators do suggest better lift with hydrogen and similar amounts needed
[10:48] <eroomde> yes
[10:48] <eroomde> it's half the desnity of He
[10:48] <infaddict> and if its cheaper, its something i will investigate further
[10:48] <eroomde> so that works out as giving you about an extra 100g of lift per cubic meter at sea level
[10:48] <eroomde> it is very much cheaper
[10:49] <gonzo_> and it's a renewable resource
[10:49] <mfa298> I think others have found H2 is cheaper in the long run - but you need to buy a suitable regulator which makes H2 more expensive for a couple of flights
[10:50] <eroomde> you can get regulators from anywhere though, they're not too pricey
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[10:50] <infaddict> mmm good point mfa298. with my 1-2 launches a year, i'd be looking for a hire/return type solution.
[10:50] <eroomde> you can probably hire the regs with the bottles
[10:50] <gonzo_> What is special about H2 regs? I've used a standard welding reg.
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[10:51] <eroomde> nothing really
[10:51] <eroomde> hydrogen is quite straightforward and well behaves
[10:51] <eroomde> it's reducing
[10:51] <eroomde> no real constraints
[10:51] <infaddict> google tells me it is highly dangerous and burns invisibly ;-/
[10:51] <infaddict> sounds like fun
[10:52] <eroomde> meh it's about the safest thing we have at work
[10:52] <eroomde> apart from maybe nitrogen
[10:52] <eroomde> it turns burn almost invisibly yes
[10:52] <eroomde> hence our rocket engine not looking like much in daytime
[10:53] <infaddict> BOC site says "Will ignite easily so cylinders must not be snifted". what on earth is snifted?!
[10:53] <eroomde> opening the bottle valve
[10:53] <eroomde> just to blast the valve and plumbing clean of any crud
[10:53] <eroomde> before attaching the regulator, say
[10:54] <infaddict> ah right
[10:54] <eroomde> i i'm not that convinced it'd ignite though
[10:54] <eroomde> they're probably being cautious
[10:54] <infaddict> yer what was cause the ignition?
[10:54] <infaddict> was/would
[10:54] <eroomde> well exactly
[10:54] <eroomde> there's a lot of scaremongering about hydrogen
[10:55] <luteijn|pc1pcl> friction => static discharge I guess.
[10:55] <eroomde> sure it's flammable so to a first approximation blasting high pressure flammable gas into the open in industrial environments is probably not the best
[10:55] <infaddict> cant see many suppliers in UK other than BOC (unlike party balloon type companies with He)
[10:55] <eroomde> poor bob having a fag break or whatever
[10:55] <eroomde> but we vent very large qtys of hydrogen at very high pressures and speeds all the time and they never spontaneously combust
[10:55] <x-f> hydrogen is "weird" in that it heats up when expands, other gases cool down with expansion (IIRC)
[10:55] <mattbrejza> http://www.boconlineshop.com/shop/en/uk/ryval-single-stage-two-gauge-regulator £54 for a acetylene reg
[10:56] <eroomde> x-f: yes, that's the joule-thompson effect
[10:56] <infaddict> mattbrejza: thats reasonable. i dont mind £50 ish for long term use.
[10:57] <eroomde> it's not that weird really, quite epxlicable :) hydrogen exhibits the same
[10:57] <eroomde> helium sorry *
[10:57] <sq5kvs> x-f: right
[10:58] <sq5kvs> that's why is better for some high speed guns for example
[10:58] <sq5kvs> I mean with km/s speed
[10:58] <x-f> ok, not weird, but unusual then :)
[10:59] <eroomde> yes unusual
[10:59] <eroomde> they have weak intermolecular forces at room temperatures
[10:59] <eroomde> this effect isn't true at all temperatures, just down to (i forget) about -50
[11:00] <infaddict> anyone got a BOC account to check Hydrogen cylinder prices? wont show them to me unless i sign in.
[11:00] <eroomde> so when you increase the distance between molecules (letting it exapnd), you're not 'doing work' (using energy to pull the inter-molecular forces apart) to such a great extent
[11:00] <eroomde> that energy comes from the gases internal temperature
[11:01] <eroomde> so if no other work is being put in (it's not beign heated from outside) the gas cools down
[11:01] <infaddict> also mattbrejza, BOC page for Hydrogen cylinder links to a special Hydrogen regulator which is £156! Wonder what difference is. http://www.boconlineshop.com/shop/en/uk/boc-8500-series-hydrogen-%28h2%29-regulator
[11:01] <sq5kvs> x-f: another interesting thing is the sound speed in hydrogen, ~ four times faster than in air
[11:02] <mattbrejza> its boc branded
[11:02] <eroomde> there's a sort of opposite effect where collisions convert kinetic energy into potential energy, and so if you expand the gas there are fewer collisions per second, so less internal energy being stored as potential energy
[11:02] <eroomde> so the temperature actually increases
[11:02] <gonzo_> it's just one of their std regs with a h2 coupling on it
[11:02] <eroomde> this second effect dominates with H and He, vs the first effect dominating for most other gases
[11:02] <mattbrejza> its also two stage, which is probably important for Science stuff, but not so much in making sure gas comes out slowly
[11:03] <gonzo_> I've had to ring BOC for a price, as the local depot could not quote me. But then have to order the bottle from the local depot,. as BOC would not take orders. Strange way to work
[11:04] <infaddict> if its cheaper i wonder why everybody doesnt use it. maybe harder to get a hold of (party places dont stock it) and people could be a bit scared perhaps.
[11:04] <x-f> thanks for the explanation, eroomde, i didn't know the theory behind this effect
[11:04] <eroomde> no probs
[11:04] <mattbrejza> yea, balloonhydrogen.co.uk doesnt exist
[11:04] <eroomde> as i said, this is only true at a certain range of temperatures and pressures
[11:05] <luteijn|pc1pcl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWHbpMVQ1U <= probably contributing factor when most people make choice between H and He
[11:06] <infaddict> haha luteijn|pc1pcl
[11:06] <mattbrejza> also for your first flight, £100 on He isnt so bad, seeing as you probably bought everything else too
[11:07] <infaddict> true. but the cheaper i can make a launch, the more I can do ;-)
[11:07] <eroomde> yep!
[11:08] <eroomde> we are ahving to return about 50 large bottle of hydrogen back to BOC every few weeks, only half empty
[11:08] <eroomde> because we can only use them down to about 90 bar
[11:08] <eroomde> so if peeps want effectively limitless hydrogen, come here
[11:08] <infaddict> yer, bit of a waste, we could use that!
[11:08] <eroomde> yep
[11:09] <sq5kvs> anyway, I have never tried produce the hydrogen (in serious amount of course) but it's really easy and cheap.. But, because of nature of this channel....
[11:09] <adamgreig> it's almost certainly not worth trying to produce yourself
[11:10] <eroomde> agreed
[11:10] <gonzo_> making it fast enough is prob the issue
[11:10] <eroomde> it's quite hard to make a useful source of compressed hydrogen in a safe way, cheaply, at home
[11:10] <gonzo_> or the complexity of storing it till needed
[11:10] <gonzo_> snap
[11:10] <sq5kvs> yes, it's hard, right
[11:11] <eroomde> you could throw ali and sodium hydroxide into a pressure vessel and then quickly shut the lid and run away
[11:11] <eroomde> that is both cheap, and at home, but failed on the 'safe' bit
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[11:21] <sq5kvs> my coeleagues did an experiment, they have produced hydrogen directly before balloon lanuch
[11:22] <infaddict> sq5kvs: interesting. tell us more.
[11:23] <gonzo_> I suppose if you had a place where you could slowly let the balloon be inflated by the genereated H2.......
[11:24] <sq5kvs> this chemical reaction is exotermic, I can't reccomend this method :)
[11:24] <sq5kvs> eroomde solution is much more flexible and safe
[11:25] <mattbrejza> just to to a hydrogen car refueling station and put the balloon over the filling nozzle
[11:25] <sq5kvs> eh, it was many years ago
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[11:32] <sq5kvs> luteijn|pc1pcl: Yest, the hindenburg was burned very quickly
[11:32] <sq5kvs> anyway, it WASN'T explosion
[11:34] <luteijn|pc1pcl> yeah, but I guess the association most people have with He is 'partyballoons, funny voice, :)' and with H 'Hindenburg, big fire, :('.
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[11:40] <sq5kvs> with hydrogen the voice sould be much more funny
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[11:45] <sq5kvs> anyway
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[11:45] <sq5kvs> does anyone have the prediction for RAJ-1?
[11:47] <mattbrejza> PS-46 coming close to loop 2
[11:47] <mattbrejza> !track ps-46
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ps-46
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[11:48] <mattbrejza> although some of the hysplits have it turning away a few km before the magic line
[11:48] <sq5kvs> you mean, equator
[11:49] <sq5kvs> next chance, in saturday/sunday
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[12:13] <mattbrejza> i mean the longitude on whuch it was released
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[12:15] <sq5kvs> ah
[12:16] <sq5kvs> mattbrejza: amazing if altitude and position will be the same :)
[12:16] <sq5kvs> would be
[12:17] <mattbrejza> well you wouldnt want an altitude of 0 again
[12:18] <sq5kvs> "home sweet home Melbourne"
[12:22] <sq5kvs> http://radioklub.dvojka.cz/
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[12:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V1-A_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V1-A_chase
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[12:44] <infaddict> !flights
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> 03infaddict: Current flights: 03MONDO-12 10(0145), 03RAJ-1 launch 10(0fdb)
[12:45] <Laurenceb_> anyone know how to find the location of an eagle library?
[12:46] <garymortimer> cliffs or tall trees
[12:46] <mattbrejza> fairly sure parts are copied into each sch/brd file
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[12:58] <luteijn|pc1pcl> Laurenceb_: looking for the actual .lbr file somewhere on your system that you know the name of, or looking to find where a certain symbol came from?
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> found it now
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> i had to use find :-/
[12:59] <luteijn|pc1pcl> yeah, that or 'locate' if available, would have been my suggestion ;)
[12:59] <sq5kvs> witff
[13:00] <sq5kvs> "where is the f.. file"
[13:01] <sq5kvs> or, just linux command, where
[13:02] <Laurenceb_> heh ok
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MONDO-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-12
[13:07] <sq5kvs> where is the RAJ :/
[13:13] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37476.0;attach=1036996;image
[13:14] <UpuWork> Mondo having a bounce
[13:14] <UpuWork> its up
[13:14] <UpuWork> for low values of up
[13:14] <sq5kvs> floater, floater? :)
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[13:15] <sq5kvs> like me: http://cdn.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/743ballsiy.jpg
[13:17] <UpuWork> in theory
[13:22] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: what on earth is that?
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> It's a hypothesis that the international docking adaptor came loose in the dragon trunk and smacked the top of the stage 2 LOX tank of the recent falcon tank.
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Causing an undesired reaction surplus.
[13:27] <eroomde> with a tent pole?
[13:28] <adamgreig> and a garden trampoline?
[13:28] <adamgreig> and a.. secret compartment
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I diddn't read it propelty n
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> vm
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> its a troll
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> Ukrainians put a tent pole in it
[13:29] <Laurenceb_> cuz the grassy knoll
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[13:32] <PE2BZ> !dial mondo-12
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03MONDO-12 10(0145): none
[13:32] <PE2BZ> !payload mondo-12
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03MONDO-12 10(0145) 03$$MONDO-12 - 03434.325 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-8 none 1.5
[13:33] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon everyone!
[13:34] <sq5kvs> gud myrning
[13:34] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[13:34] <sq5kvs> hyh, afternoon, indeed
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[13:37] <PE2BZ> It´s a worldwide medium after all, could be morning, even midnight at your place ;-)
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[13:38] <PE2BZ> MONDO-23 is getting in reach on JO21CX
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[13:39] <sq5kvs> PE2BZ: You are wise man, indeed
[13:40] <PE2BZ> sq5kvs My wife says ¨no way¨ ;-)
[13:41] <sq5kvs> anyway, You have a wife, so You are wise man, no way :D
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[13:43] <luteijn|pc1pcl> !dial 0145
[13:43] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn|pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03MONDO-12 10(0145): 03434.32647 MHz, 434.32409 MHz, 434.324 MHz
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[13:46] <PE2BZ> $$MONDO-12,164,13:46:13,+5151.4696,+00038.5658,03815,+03.5*6C
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[13:47] <PE2BZ> first greens @ 3890 meter
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[13:59] <infaddict> ooh wonder if i could receive MONDO-12 near burst
[14:00] <UpuWork> its a foil
[14:00] <infaddict> ah
[14:00] <infaddict> lol
[14:00] <UpuWork> may float
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[14:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RAJ-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RAJ-1
[14:03] <sq5kvs> there is !
[14:07] <gonzo_> what shift has mondo got at the mo?
[14:08] <gonzo_> I see something about 1000hz, but not sure if it;s rtty
[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7IGH-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7IGH-13
[14:09] <UpuWork> 500 gonzo_
[14:09] <UpuWork> on the dot
[14:10] <UpuWork> 434.324
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[14:17] <sq5kvs> 6000m its what pressure? 200hpa?
[14:18] <sq5kvs> ah, ~450hpa
[14:18] <sq5kvs> I hate this
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[14:25] <SpeedEvil> Pressure halves every 5km
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[14:25] <SpeedEvil> (this is not quite accurate, but it's a handy number)
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[14:26] <sq5kvs> yhm
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[14:28] <chimpusmaximus> Just in case its been done before, has anyone for instance looked to automatically publish their ssdv images to a twitter feed?
[14:28] <sq5kvs> Oh, I found
[14:28] <sq5kvs> http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=20.58,50.13,1106
[14:28] <sq5kvs> its a vortex over the Greece, look
[14:29] <sq5kvs> thats why all euros dissapeared
[14:30] <gonzo_> thnaks UpuWork
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[14:35] <craag> chimpusmaximus: You'd need to set a threshold of how complete you want the images before tweeting them, and some way to detect that.
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[14:36] <fsphil> could do what the website does, waits a few minutes since the last packet
[14:36] <chimpusmaximus> Yeah was thinking it may not be as straight forward due to the image being displayed before complete
[14:36] <chimpusmaximus> true
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[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K5UTD-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5UTD-11
[14:38] <PE2G> First green MONDO decode at -0.4 deg, 385 km, alt 8740 m
[14:39] <PE2G> This is an excellent signal
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[14:40] <sq5kvs> climbing
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[14:42] <PE2G> http://s17.postimg.org/ec1l30c5r/01_07_15_16_41_31.png
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[14:47] <sq5kvs> ups
[14:48] <sq5kvs> PE2G: Show mi Your antennas
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[14:48] <sq5kvs> please :)
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[14:49] <PE2G> sq5kvs: Nothing special: 1 x 7 elem yagi at 38 m AGL (no amp)
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[14:50] <PE2G> about 50 m AMSL
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[14:50] <PE2G> antenna cable 2 m.
[14:51] <sq5kvs> hm and receiver?
[14:51] <PE2G> FT-790R from the 80s :)
[14:52] <craag> don't diss the ft790
[14:52] <craag> It's a great receiver, as long as the PLL hasn't popped it's clogs.
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[14:53] <sq5kvs> but works :)
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[14:54] <PE2G> tx of this FT790 has known better times, rx is still very good
[14:54] <Ian_> First in a line of multimodes, brother to the Joe 90 (FT290)
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[14:55] <Ian_> Father to the FT817 and no one else is matching the price point for the functionality offered.
[14:56] <PE2G> Id like to have an FT290 as well
[14:56] <PE2G> Brothers in arms
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[14:56] <craag> Dad has a 290 and 790 with a pair of PAs, great setup.
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[14:57] danielsaul (~danielsau@braavos.dansaul.co.uk) got lost in the net-split.
[14:57] priyesh (~priyesh@unaffiliated/priyesh) got lost in the net-split.
[14:57] PsionicOz (~PsionicOz@li415-198.members.linode.com) got lost in the net-split.
[14:57] jb803 (jb803@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) got lost in the net-split.
[14:57] Darkside (~darkside@compsci.adl/officialscapegoat/Darkside) got lost in the net-split.
[14:57] talsit_roam (uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbsfukodwpvemfrc) got lost in the net-split.
[14:57] <craag> PLL in SSB mode on the 790 can get a bit unhappy sometimes though: http://i.imgur.com/2CXPG.png
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[14:58] <craag> The 817 is inferior to the 790 on receive I believe
[14:58] <craag> Also a lot more power hungry
[14:59] <PE2G> craag: Ouch. I havent seen that yet, luckily
[14:59] <craag> but that's what you get for dc to daylight in that box :)
[15:00] <infaddict> massive thunder storm here. best shelve than plan to go outside with the yagi ;-/
[15:00] <sq5kvs> where infaddict, where :)
[15:00] <infaddict> NE England
[15:00] <craag> Can't be worse than the weekend infaddict ;)
[15:00] <craag> well
[15:00] <infaddict> haha true craag!
[15:00] <sq5kvs> ah.. lucky You
[15:01] <craag> maybe holding a spiky metal pole up isn't the best idea
[15:01] <sq5kvs> here's very dry, serious problem for tries, ect
[15:02] <PE2G> MONDO showing slow upward freq drift now
[15:02] <infaddict> !dial MONDO-12
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> 03infaddict: Latest dials for 03MONDO-12 10(0145): 03434.32448 MHz, 14.055207 MHz, 434.3248 MHz, 434.32726 MHz, 434.32409 MHz, 434.32468 MHz, 434.324999 MHz, 434.32428 MHz
[15:02] <sq5kvs> "just wait" for any idiot with the chinese lamp or something
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[15:06] <PE2G> MONDO showed a sudden 300 Hz freq drop
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[15:09] <PE2BZ> PE2G thanks. Manually retuned now ;-)
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[15:10] <sq5kvs> MONDO is to far for me, but the RAI should be available
[15:11] <sq5kvs> winds are not good , but will see
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[15:21] <UpuWork> I lied infaddict its a 100g balloon
[15:21] <UpuWork> will burst
[15:21] <infaddict> got it on web SDR, but aint going outside at the moment haha
[15:26] <UpuWork> raining ?
[15:26] <infaddict> lightning and thunder and rain
[15:26] <UpuWork> heh
[15:26] <infaddict> out of interest, what format do u guys put your QTH into fldigi pls?
[15:27] <UpuWork> put whatever you want in
[15:27] <UpuWork> don't think its used anywhere
[15:27] <infaddict> ah i thought that put your station on the map
[15:27] <UpuWork> no thats the location information
[15:28] <sq5kvs> infaddict: you have to put latitude and longitude only
[15:28] <sq5kvs> qth locator isn't important
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[15:29] <sq5kvs> fldigi calculating distance and angle over horizon (if your position is ok)
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> lulz http://motherboard.vice.com/read/conspiracy-theorists-think-lockheed-martin-blew-up-spacexs-rocket-with-a-laser
[15:33] <lz1dev> Laurenceb_: you should read stuff by dr steven greer
[15:34] <Laurenceb_> pity its all BS, those diagrams where made by someone else
[15:36] <infaddict> ive put in a maidenhead locator into fldigi but still doesnt show me as a station on the map
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[15:37] <UpuWork> dl-client -> configure
[15:37] <UpuWork> location
[15:37] <UpuWork> stationary listener
[15:37] <UpuWork> put it in
[15:37] <UpuWork> decimal
[15:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V1
[15:37] <UpuWork> Click operator
[15:37] <UpuWork> check your name is in
[15:37] <UpuWork> restart
[15:38] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> http://www.pe1rqm.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/fldigi-location.jpg
[15:38] <UpuWork> 2 :)
[15:38] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Netherlands Upu :)
[15:38] <UpuWork> yep :)
[15:38] <UpuWork> I'm underground atm and I'm higher than that :)
[15:38] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> :)
[15:39] <infaddict> ok thx guys
[15:39] <PE0SAT> Use this URL to find your location http://qthlocator.free.fr/index.php
[15:40] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> It can take a while before you see your station on the map
[15:41] <PE0SAT> Zoom out, move to your location and zoom in
[15:41] <infaddict> thx PE0SAT yep i did that
[15:41] <infaddict> trying again to see if it works
[15:42] <PE0SAT> Click on your location and it will show locator and Long/Lat
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[15:52] <sq5kvs> !diall RAJ-1
[15:52] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> !dial RAJ-1
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Tjalling_PE1RQM: Latest dials for 03RAJ-1 10(0fdb): none
[15:52] <sq5kvs> !Idal RAJ-1
[15:52] <sq5kvs> hyh
[15:52] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> :)
[15:53] <sq5kvs> anyway, thanks :)
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[15:53] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> It should be near 434.69MHz
[15:55] <sq5kvs> Ah, I see , right
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[16:03] <infaddict> set all the operator info in fldigi and getting green decodes, but still my station isnt on map. will wait a while in case its delayed.
[16:04] <craag> infaddict: altitude too?
[16:05] <infaddict> i dont see altitude
[16:05] <infaddict> i have v3.1 - think thats latest
[16:05] <craag> Under lat/lon
[16:05] <craag> Might be 'elevation'
[16:05] <infaddict> Under 'station' tab all i have is Callsign, Name, QTH, Locator, Antenna, Radio.
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[16:05] <infaddict> Operator tab, then Station sry
[16:06] <craag> No, in DL CLient -> Location
[16:06] <infaddict> aha missed that
[16:06] <infaddict> thx
[16:07] <craag> Np, that's the one that matters
[16:07] <craag> Don't need locator or anything, jsut lat/lon/alt in there.
[16:08] <infaddict> and enter lat/long in format e.g. 52.12345
[16:08] <craag> yep
[16:08] <infaddict> ok thx craag
[16:08] <craag> decimal degrees
[16:08] <craag> altitude just put '0'
[16:08] <craag> but you do need *something* in the box
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[16:08] <infaddict> right done all that, trying again
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[16:09] <craag> newcastle :)
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[16:12] <infaddict> very near yep!
[16:13] <infaddict> working great thx craag
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[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03COPA1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=COPA1
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[16:17] <PE2G> Almost at 20 km. Is this really a 100 g balloon?
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[16:31] <Upu> yes PE2G they are good for 26km
[16:32] <craag> *with an appropriately weighted payload
[16:32] <Upu> yes
[16:32] <Upu> which this will be
[16:32] <Upu> Mick holds the outright altitude record
[16:35] <PE2G> Tnx Upu. I´ve only seen the Totex 100 g met-baloons with a 300 g payload reaching a mere 10-15 km
[16:35] <Upu> this will be 20g tops
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[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:31] <PE2G> MONDO burst
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[17:59] <Upu> that was a rapid descent
[18:00] <Ian_> Fast enough to make the beach?
[18:00] <Upu> nah but will probably wash up
[18:00] <Ian_> I guess that being a 100g flight that it was pico configuration and so no chute to speak of, which explains the speed.
[18:01] <Upu> well I suspect he was expecting to burst over the North sea
[18:01] <Ian_> Just got to get the tide right. It did look like it might make the ferry route. How many HAB brownie points for landing on a ferry?
[18:02] <daveake> many at the moment
[18:02] <daveake> though perhaps they are easier to hit if they're all at port
[18:03] <PE2BZ> Offtopic: 23 cm is good conditions now. I have a BiQuad for 23cm pointing to the sky (North - South) and I receive GB3MHZ at 1296.830 loud and clear
[18:04] <Ian_> It's certainly the right sort of wx for a bit of a lift.
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[18:06] <DL7AD> DL7AD-11
[18:06] <arjunnaha> Would I need an adult to come, if I were to attend the conference (I'm 13)
[18:07] <Upu> yes arjunnaha
[18:09] <arjunnaha> Upu They would need to pay...
[18:09] Action: arjunnaha sighs
[18:09] <arjunnaha> anything to earn a buck
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[18:20] <PE2BZ> Enjoy the evening all ! Bye for now....
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[18:40] <fxmulder> what frequenc(y|ies) are used in the UK for rtty tracking?
[18:41] <mfa298> usually things in the ISM band around 434MHz
[18:42] <mfa298> most people seem to go somewhere between 434.2 and 434.6
[18:42] <mfa298> but there have been attempts in other ISM bands
[18:43] <fxmulder> I see
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[18:44] <fxmulder> I've been using aprs here in the US, more complicated and I'm curious because wiht rtty you can see the frequency drift whereas I don't think you can with afsk
[18:45] <mfa298> In the US I suspect you'll be looking at a suitable Amateur radio band as I'm not sure you have ISM at 434MHz.
[18:46] <mfa298> I think other bits of europe (where AR is allowed airborne) have also used 2m for rtty and other modes
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[18:52] <Upu> I'm afraid so arjunnaha
[18:52] <arjunnaha> upu: ok! That's fine ;-)
[18:55] <dsockwell> in all practicality security at these things won't even look twice, they're trying to stop people from doing things like taking drugs and dying in the bathrooms
[18:55] <Upu> its not security its paying for lunch :)
[18:55] <fxmulder> lowest ism band I see in the arrl band plan is in the 900MHz range
[18:56] <dsockwell> right, ok, scale
[18:56] <dsockwell> there's 48 of you to begin with
[18:56] <dsockwell> my mistake
[18:56] <mattbrejza> 315 is a thing in the us?
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[18:58] <mfa298> fxmulder: as you've been looking at APRS I assume you have an AR license so presumably you could use any AR band. There shouldn't be a need to use ISM bands in that case. In the UK we're only using ISM bands because the AR license doesn't allow airborne use.
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[19:03] <fxmulder> I figured as much, I like APRS because there are lots of listeners and repeaters and mapping for it, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best option
[19:03] <fxmulder> guess it will depend on the application
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[19:39] <anerdev> hey guys
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[19:40] <Vega> Hi there!!
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[19:42] <vega1> somebody there??
[19:43] <daveake> nope
[19:44] <vega1> I need to get aproved the Vega1 flight document
[19:44] <vega1> Hi Deveaker!
[19:44] <daveake> you need to /join #habhub and ask in there
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[19:45] <vega1> Thanks a lot!
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[20:33] <DL7AD> launched!
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[20:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> mmm
[20:36] <Upu> !aprs ping DL7AD-11
[20:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest contact: 03DL7AD-11 10(2 minutes ago)
[20:36] <Upu> !track DL7AD-11
[20:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
[20:37] <DL7AD> thanks
[20:37] <DL7AD> It's a PecanPico 6 Solar Tracker. LiFePO4 battery, qualatex 36", Power 50mW
[20:38] <Upu> pics ?
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[20:38] <Upu> !aprs ping DL7AD-11
[20:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest contact: 03DL7AD-11 10(4 minutes ago)
[20:39] <Upu> !aprs ping DL7AD-11
[20:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest contact: 03DL7AD-11 10(a few seconds ago)
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[20:47] <Laurenceb_> wonder if it can outfly PS-46
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> PS-46 seems to have the foil still on, I dont get how its flying for so long
[20:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> it's a fake PS-46
[20:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> ;)
[20:57] <Upu> !aprs ping DL7AD-11
[20:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest contact: 03DL7AD-11 10(2 minutes ago)
[21:00] <DL7AD> yeah great
[21:00] <Upu> !aprs ping DL7AD-11
[21:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest contact: 03DL7AD-11 10(2 minutes ago)
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[21:13] <Laurenceb_> I think sunrise/set interferes with the HF
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[21:29] <Laurenceb_> http://captiongenerator.com/48295/Hitler-Reacts-to-current-EmDrive-Situation
[21:29] <Laurenceb_> I lolld
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[21:45] <KT5TK> https://kt5tk.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/launching-balloons-in-germany/
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