highaltitude.log.20150626

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[06:20] <j0nnymac> ello!
[06:25] <Vaizki> ullo?
[06:34] <UpuWork> morning
[06:36] <garymortimer> how do
[06:36] <UpuWork> how do indeed
[06:43] <j0nnymac> hello
[06:43] <j0nnymac> got some pics for our launch :)
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[07:51] <fsphil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/data/pluto/level2/lor/jpeg/029751/lor_0297516538_0x630_sci_1.jpg
[07:51] <fsphil> definitly no processing artifacts in that :)
[07:52] <UpuWork> how many days until closest approach
[07:52] <fsphil> 18 days
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[07:57] <fsphil> wonder if the atmosphere is thick enough to be visible in the images
[07:58] <UpuWork> atmosphere ?
[08:01] <fsphil> yea, though thinner than even mars
[08:01] <UpuWork> just reading
[08:01] <UpuWork> http://www.space.com/18564-pluto-atmosphere.html
[08:01] <fsphil> was detected before when pluto passed in front of a star
[08:02] <fsphil> it's possible pluto and charon share the same atmosphere
[08:03] <fsphil> nice, they mention it's thicker than Triton's atmosphere. and it has weather. kinda
[08:06] <fsphil> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA02203
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[08:07] <Andrew_M0NRD> Morning anyone available to authorise flight doc for Sunday?
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[08:10] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM ALL
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[08:37] <sq5kvs> hello!
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[08:40] <pb5a> hey
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[08:43] <sq5kvs> I heard slovakian balloon should be launched today from Hungary, but they probably have some troubles.
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[08:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BC04S after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BC04S
[08:45] <sq5kvs> HA!
[08:45] <sq5kvs> precognition :D
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[08:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> mogge terry
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[09:03] <LunarWork> hello
[09:04] <craag> Morning LunarWork
[09:04] <LunarWork> how's life?
[09:04] <craag> Not bad ta
[09:06] <LunarWork> happy to hear that
[09:06] <LunarWork> same here
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[09:17] <sq5kvs> lift off
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[09:26] <HA6NN> Hi every1 :)
[09:26] <sq5kvs> Hi Andras
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[09:30] <Andrew_M0NRD> Morning anyone available to authorise flight doc for Sunday?
[09:32] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: HA6NN: very slowly ascending, is that ok? :)
[09:32] <luteijn|PC1PCL> Hi Andrew_M0NRD, probably best to paste the flightdoc ID in over at #habhub. Make sure payload referenced in it has successfully shown up on the map as that seems the first thing that is checked..
[09:33] <Andrew_M0NRD> okay, forgot the other irc channel.. newbies eh? ;-)
[09:34] <HA6NN> QST: BC4S flies. Please listen 434800 kHz RTTY 100 baud 850 Hz shift 7N2
[09:36] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: Hello, Maybe wind is rather high there in the valley of the Danube river...
[09:37] <sq5kvs> hmm
[09:38] <sq5kvs> with that attitude the radio horizon couldn't be wide...
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[09:40] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: watch out of skyscrappers :D
[09:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zs5rpc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zs5rpc_chase
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[09:44] <Adam012> Good morning!
[09:44] <Adam012> Is it #habhub that I need to visit to register a launch document (its been a while)?
[09:45] <sq5kvs> :)
[09:47] <UpuWork> yes
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[09:49] <Tramvai> Can I edit a flight document later?
[09:49] <UpuWork> not once approved
[09:49] <MickMondo> Hi anyone on here to approve a flight doc ...?
[09:50] <UpuWork> -> #habhub
[09:50] <MickMondo> oh is that you Anthony ..?
[09:50] <MickMondo> Ok cheers
[09:50] <UpuWork> tis
[09:50] <UpuWork> :)
[09:51] <MickMondo> Im sure it said to get it approved on here,,, not done this for a while ..
[09:51] <UpuWork> well you can paste the id here
[09:52] <MickMondo> 634b673a55034f05c5d1d1248adce4e7
[09:52] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: I am living in a ten storied skyscraper. Roof with 7 ele yagi at 320 m asl.
[09:53] <HA6NN> :D
[09:54] <UpuWork> can you test it Mick ?
[09:54] <UpuWork> oh wait
[09:54] <UpuWork> thats just a payload
[09:54] <UpuWork> not a flight
[09:54] <MickMondo> yeah sorry ...
[09:55] <MickMondo> I cant seem to find how to approve the doc on hubhub..
[09:55] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: I have 18 stories, but roof is not available for my antennas.. But I mean that Your balloon float very low, anyway now it's look more like problems with data
[09:55] <UpuWork> we do that
[09:55] <UpuWork> you make the doc
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[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MONDO-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-12
[09:59] <MickMondo> All working ... cheers for that MC
[10:00] <Tramvai> I would like a flight doc approved for sunday as well: 634b673a55034f05c5d1d1248af2a4bc
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[10:03] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: Maybe my friends haven't blow enugh helium into the two balloons which are carrying the payload. BC4S: S shows there's a solar cell which is to charge battery. Visit http://www.om3bc.com/ whre you can find my English translation of the original Hungarian description.
[10:03] <UpuWork> Tramvai [11:03] <SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: EES (d67b, 2 years ago) and 1 untested (7a46)
[10:04] <UpuWork> can you upload from both trackers to the map so we can check they work please ?
[10:04] <Tramvai> Sure
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[10:06] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: Yes, I have seen this page few days ago.
[10:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LAASE-C - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LAASE-C
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[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EES - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EES
[10:25] <UpuWork> Tramvai the flight doc seems to have the wrong payload doc for EES
[10:25] <UpuWork> flight doc has d67b specified but the payload doc ends in 962e
[10:26] <UpuWork> current live one
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[11:10] <ak4rp> !dial BC04S
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> 03ak4rp: Latest dials for 03BC04S 10(93dc): 03434.8 MHz
[11:13] <ak4rp> !payload BC04S
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> 03ak4rp: Payload 03BC04S 10(93dc) 03$$BC04S - 03BC04S - 03434.8 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/850Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[11:24] <Laurenceb> lol @ PS-46 hysplit
[11:24] <Laurenceb> I knew air products were expensive, but decapitation seems ott
[11:25] <sq5kvs> Laurenceb: hysplit is interesting but the real path is completely different ;)
[11:25] <Laurenceb> yeah, we need a way to feed data back to NOAA
[11:26] <Laurenceb> I bet it would be very useful to have floater data
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[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCHEM - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCHEM
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[11:30] <michemto> Hello! Please approve flight: 676e5165de71ae39565bae3c4f27b00e
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[11:44] <HA6NN> ak4rp: BC04S is still booming here. :)
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[11:46] <sq5kvs> yeap, but wrong direction (for me :))
[11:46] <HA6NN> 9A3LI has joined us.
[11:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03GKC Flight 3 10(8acc), 03BC04S 434.800 MHz 100/850 7N2 10(93dc)
[11:50] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial 8acc
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Latest dials for 03GKCV3B1 10(8acc): none
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[11:52] <HA6NN> ak4rp: Are you stull staying on terrain or you have arrived home?
[11:52] <ak4rp> HA6NN: we're still on Eteto
[11:52] <HA6NN> Nice!
[11:53] <HA6NN> ak4rp: Guess HA6NM will join us soon.
[11:55] <ak4rp> !aprs add OM3BC-11
[11:55] <SpacenearUS> 03ak4rp: You need to be an admin to do that.
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[11:57] <HA6NN> ak4rp: I have just sent a screenshot to muholdasok.
[11:59] <HA6NN> ak4rp: Tnx info! I had tried to find the BC04S payload on aprs.fi searching for its ID but did not find it!
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM3BC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-11
[11:59] <UpuWork> ---/\
[12:02] <sq5kvs> hm?
[12:02] <sq5kvs> what?
[12:02] <ak4rp> UpuWork: tnx!
[12:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GKCV3B after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GKCV3B
[12:04] <luteijn|PC1PCL> !dial 8acc
[12:04] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn|PC1PCL: Latest dials for 03GKCV3B1 10(8acc): none
[12:06] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[12:08] <PE2G> GKCV3B is up
[12:08] <sq5kvs> PE2G: its a floater or not?
[12:08] <PE2G> No, straight up and down
[12:09] <sq5kvs> eh, too far
[12:10] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> There he is
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[12:11] <PE2G> GKCV3B on 434.487.8 MHz
[12:12] <PE2G> For 1340 Hz centre
[12:14] <HA6NN> ak4rp: APRS position differs too much! Do you know why?
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[12:15] <luteijn|PC1PCL> !dial 8acc
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn|PC1PCL: Latest dials for 03GKCV3B1 10(8acc): 03434.48674 MHz
[12:15] <HA6NN> ak4rp1: APRS position differs a bit too much! Do you know why?
[12:17] <ak4rp1> because it is a completely different balloon?
[12:17] <HA6NN> ak4rp1: Woohoo! :)
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[12:18] <ak4rp> it's a bit underfilled though
[12:18] <HA6NN> ak4rp1: booming in my headset! S9 or so!
[12:18] <HA6NN> ak4rp: What a pity!
[12:19] <HA6NN> ak4rp: Is HA5WH present at Eteto?
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[12:21] <ak4rp> no
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[12:24] <HA6NN> ak4rp: Ok! Payload is comung through very nicely! It's booming here!
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[12:26] <sq5kvs> hm, what happened with om3bc-11?
[12:27] <HA6NN> om3amr: Are you on the channel Radim?
[12:27] <HA6NN> SRI!
[12:27] <HA6NN> om2amr: Are you on the chat radim?
[12:28] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: Pse ask ak4rp!
[12:29] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: S9 in my headset...
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[12:30] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: where are You?
[12:31] <HA6NN> I am is Salgotajan JN98vc
[12:31] <HA6NN> eee I am in Salgotarjan JN98vc
[12:32] <sq5kvs> So....
[12:33] <sq5kvs> ha6nn: its a little strange You can hear om3bc-11
[12:33] <sq5kvs> or.. the altitude of balloon is wrong
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[12:37] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: I do not know why there's a difference between its real position and the position in aprs.fi shows!
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[12:38] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: Check its real position at http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=7&qm=1_day&mc=47.46543,17.34296&f=BC04S
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[12:40] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: ak4rp told that it's a different balloon.. Who knows :)
[12:41] <Guest44666> Hello i follow GKCV3B with dl-fldigi, in the signal browser i see the right information, but in the yello window of dl-fldigi i only got stupid things like this: Rd22r$II%RdRIIdIJIJIJr2%IR2KKKK what must i configure?
[12:41] <HA6NN> sq5kvs: Neither do I !
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[12:43] <garymortimer> what is the RTTY set to guest44666
[12:44] <garymortimer> It should be 50 baud
[12:44] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Set shift a bit wider (475 Hz will do), 50Bd, 7N2
[12:45] <Herman-PB0AHX> Guest44666: set shift op 490 and reverse
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[12:46] <Guest44666> Solved: I only switched in sdr# to LSB and now in the yello window all looked good and dl -fldigi get the right information Thanks
[12:46] <Guest44666> Thans to Herman reverse woulöd also help thanks
[12:46] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Hmm, I have no reverse, maybe Rv is switched on in FLdigi?
[12:48] <garymortimer> Op mode RTTY cutsom set it there
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[12:48] <HA6NN> Payload BC04S (93dc) $$BC04S - BC04S - 434.8 MHz USB RTTY 100/850Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[13:05] <infaddict> afternoon all. i need to change the location of my flight doc. probably doesnt matter but like to keep things neat ;-)
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[13:06] <infaddict> if i get the new version approved, will the old one be inactivated and not show up on the calendar?
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[13:08] <UpuWork> Tramvai
[13:08] <UpuWork> I didn't approve that doc
[13:08] <Tramvai> Oh yeah, Upu
[13:08] <Tramvai> I'm sorry I didn't get back to you
[13:08] <UpuWork> the doc for EES is wrong in the flight doc
[13:08] <UpuWork> EES (d67b, 2 years ago)
[13:08] <UpuWork> no probs
[13:09] <Tramvai> I made changed to both my payload doc and the flight doc. I will confirm the payloads tomorrow and then ask again, if that's okay.
[13:09] <UpuWork> nps
[13:12] <infaddict> I am in possession of my first official CAA exemption/permission ;-) happy days.
[13:12] <UpuWork> may the weather be forever not too changable
[13:12] <infaddict> amen
[13:15] <sq5kvs> son, sometimes there must be some flood!
[13:15] <garymortimer> I'm going to get some beers in for Sunday, lots to watch and might be snowed in here
[13:15] <eroomde> good stuff infaddict
[13:15] <eroomde> i'm getting beers for sunday too
[13:15] <infaddict> dont get too drunk guys ;-) might need your help!
[13:16] <eroomde> but i'll be having them in portmeadow with cheese and salamis and stuff
[13:16] <eroomde> with my special friend
[13:17] <garymortimer> Ah I am sure we will be able to send good vibes ;-)
[13:17] <UpuWork> I may even go shopping on Saturday so I can remotely assist
[13:17] <eroomde> yeah i might no be driving now my friend is coming down to see me
[13:17] <eroomde> might just send you good thoughts
[13:18] <eroomde> from my stupor in the field on the banks of the thames
[13:18] <daveake> infaddict got a flight prediction?
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[13:20] <garymortimer> So its the Sunday virtual (real for eroomde) picnic then
[13:23] <infaddict> hey daveake - yep prediction looks ok - landing west of peterborough around 100km journey. http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/Rollright/
[13:23] <infaddict> click one the dots just near peterborough
[13:23] <infaddict> planning around 9am i think
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0LG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0LG-11
[13:23] <daveake> That's a very specific burst altitude :)
[13:24] <UpuWork> I said that
[13:24] <sq5kvs> in dk0lg I can see "Sputnik3" :)
[13:25] <daveake> I might not get leave approved (it's our 29'th anniv on Sunday), but mind if I pop over to watch the launch?
[13:25] <infaddict> the launch altitude is just taken from the burst calc ;-)
[13:25] <daveake> yeah I guessed :)
[13:25] <garymortimer> Foxton Locks is a nice pub have been there!
[13:26] <infaddict> lol knew you'd have some local advice garymortimer
[13:27] <garymortimer> It would be a handy place to drive to and wait ;-)
[13:27] <christopherlee> If i can i might be around on Sunday for any local help around Peterborough. Currently getting dragged shopping mind.
[13:27] <garymortimer> Maybe it will see the gliding field at Husbands Bosworth and land there
[13:28] <garymortimer> Or Bruntinghthorpe of course
[13:28] <infaddict> dont temp fate - i'll be happy that it takes off and we can receive it ;-)
[13:29] <craag> good luck infaddict !
[13:29] <infaddict> cheers craag. the help and support here has been immense. enjoyed every minute of it.
[13:30] <infaddict> and look forward to meeting some of you at the conference
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[13:30] <craag> :)
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[13:31] <sq5kvs> I think that eroomde walks the length and breadth the island to find the best rocket fuel :)
[13:32] <eroomde> i do actually know the best palces for rocket fuel it's true
[13:32] <eroomde> we are sponsoring a beer at our local beer festival this year
[13:32] <eroomde> Hydrogen Peroxide Blonde
[13:32] <UpuWork> lol
[13:32] <sq5kvs> hyhy
[13:33] <UpuWork> I have some Saltaire Blonde tonight
[13:33] <UpuWork> I doubt it has the same potency
[13:33] <eroomde> it's no use as rocket fuel unless it's over 80%
[13:33] <garymortimer> A spot I have visited with friends under the burst also for planning regrouping or any other mission critical things that might need to happen http://home.btconnect.com/thefollyinn/The_Folly_Napton/Welcome.html You can also get upto the Windmill at Napton and thats a relatively high spot.
[13:33] <eroomde> ideally over 90%
[13:33] <eroomde> that might kill humans though
[13:34] <eroomde> garymortimer: we need to get you to the ukhas conference one of these days/years
[13:34] <eroomde> you can organize the crawl afterwards
[13:34] <eroomde> or maybe provide the gary_mortimer map overlab to habhub
[13:34] <eroomde> map overlay*
[13:35] <eroomde> up there with map, terrain, and ordnance survey
[13:35] <garymortimer> Well that surely should be a crowd sourced thing
[13:35] <eroomde> we can have it in your name then, even if it's collaborative
[13:35] <eroomde> the Mortimer Memorial Map of Merriment
[13:35] <eroomde> (you don't have to die for this map to be introduced, don't worry)
[13:36] <garymortimer> I certainly would like to get to the conference one year, if you can have it as the same time as Farnborough I can do both! Will be there next year for it.
[13:36] <garymortimer> Memorial!
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[13:36] <eroomde> farnborough is july ususally
[13:36] <eroomde> might be a bit early
[13:36] <eroomde> don't know
[13:36] <garymortimer> Yeah July
[13:37] <eroomde> i have gone the last few yrs as a Reaction Engines person
[13:37] <eroomde> good for getting around the backs of places
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[13:38] <garymortimer> I have a cunning plan for next year and you shall get an invite if it happens ;-)
[13:38] <DL1SGP> hej brian :)
[13:38] <eroomde> sounds exciting!
[13:39] <eroomde> i would have thought that you being well knowin within the UAV community should help with finding interesting ways to attend/display/whatever there
[13:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Felix
[13:39] <garymortimer> (trumpet blowing moment) I flew the first one at Farnborough in 2010 next aircraft after me was A380
[13:40] <eroomde> ha!
[13:40] <garymortimer> It was very underwhelming and I had to wear a yellow high viz jacket
[13:40] <garymortimer> but enough off topic
[13:41] <UpuWork> you up north garymortimer ?
[13:41] <eroomde> he's quite a southerner :)
[13:42] <eroomde> garymortimer: anything that does stuff in the air is basically on topic here :)
[13:42] <eroomde> people put up with my rocket waffling and are very polite about the fact i've contributed zilch to ballooning for many yrs now
[13:43] <garymortimer> I'm in South Africa Upu
[13:43] <UpuWork> lol
[13:44] <UpuWork> I was a little out
[13:44] <eroomde> you're a brit tho right?
[13:44] <sq5kvs> hyhy
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[13:45] <UpuWork> I think you contribute muchly eroomde with your impromptu training/educational sessions
[13:45] <UpuWork> and entertainment when people argue about parachutes with you
[13:45] <eroomde> well, it's an opportunity to learn :)
[13:45] <infaddict> yep eroomde - i still have my notes on your intro to chutes on here
[13:45] <infaddict> very useful!
[13:46] <eroomde> i'm going to give a proper version of that as a short talk at the conf
[13:46] <eroomde> chutes 101
[13:46] <eroomde> how to pick the right chute for your hab
[13:46] <eroomde> or whatever
[13:46] <infaddict> nice
[13:46] <eroomde> i'll think of a name for it at some point :)
[13:46] <infaddict> which chute to shoot for
[13:46] <eroomde> wahey
[13:46] Action: UpuWork face palm
[13:46] <infaddict> lol
[13:48] <sq5kvs> garymortimer: but You are britihsh man ?
[13:49] <DL1SGP> for all brits :) your queen flew over my house today
[13:49] <HA6NN> ak4rp: Are there really a second balloon named OM3BC-11 which uses APRS only?
[13:50] <eroomde> DL1SGP: she was coming home presumably
[13:50] <DL1SGP> eroomde: on approach of Celle Mil Airport
[13:50] <DL1SGP> low altitude
[13:51] <DL1SGP> solid copy on the rtty here, trying to get decoding device started :)
[13:55] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[13:55] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[13:55] Action: SpacenearUS got confused... send help
[13:55] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[13:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> say what
[13:57] <sq5kvs> SpacenearUS: pull yourself together :D
[13:58] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[13:58] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ha
[13:59] <sq5kvs> narcoleptic
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[14:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Wonder if GKCV3B is aiming for a float?
[14:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah gess not -22 ms
[14:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like a burst
[14:01] <pb5a> plop
[14:01] <sq5kvs> puf
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[14:02] <pb5a> :(
[14:03] <sq5kvs> 25m/s , Rods from God
[14:03] <PE2G> Signal remains wonderfully stable after the burst
[14:03] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[14:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes sounds very good, not the normal qsb
[14:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the burst was not audioable
[14:04] <PE2G> I didn't notice it either
[14:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> all greens during burst and first desent, thats not normal
[14:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> loosing it shortly
[14:05] <eroomde> many hab parachutes are quite unstable at high altitudes (low ambient pressures)
[14:05] <eroomde> which doesn;t help
[14:06] <eroomde> but there's no inherent reason why you can have a nice stable, controlled descent almost immediately after burst
[14:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> this one must work very well
[14:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hm still decoding, OTH RX now
[14:06] <sq5kvs> still descending very fast
[14:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> maybe i got some tropo to netherlands
[14:08] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Whats your elevation showing?
[14:08] <sq5kvs> gkcv3b has on 2m?
[14:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> -0.3
[14:08] <PE2G> Nice
[14:08] <sq5kvs> I mean tracker freq of course :)
[14:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.487
[14:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G -0.4
[14:09] <PE2G> Even nicer :)
[14:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok i think thats about it, forst red
[14:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> first
[14:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> digimode would still have worked, still a nice trace on waterfall
[14:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok garden time, l8r
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[14:14] <PE2G> Slightly wobbly signal now from GKCV3B
[14:15] <sq5kvs> OZSKY Brian: tropos isn't incredible , yesterday guys announced strong tropos (however on 2m)
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[14:25] <ak4rp> BC04S is heading to Croatia and then to Bosnia. Now there is the usual issue with lack of trackers... Any ideas?
[14:25] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/FhsB2Gw.jpg
[14:25] <eroomde> courtesy of someone on reddit
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[14:29] <ibanezmatt13> "Box to put stuff to go to space" :)
[14:31] <UpuWork> I like that
[14:31] <tweetBot> @nerdsville: CAA approval for Madhen Eggsplorer-1 given but earlier launch time window - should be going up around 10am weather permitting. #ukhas #hab
[14:32] <eroomde> 'can be a people box with chairs'
[14:32] <eroomde> enjoyed that
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[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> is the stuff in the bigger tanks supposed to be liquid hydrogen?
[14:41] <dsockwell> bigger tanks are lower pressure
[14:41] <dsockwell> i think
[14:41] <dsockwell> depending on the tank it might not matter
[14:44] <Kodar> eh, that BC04S drifting too much and TXing every 5-6min, thats not good
[14:46] <garymortimer> @sq5kvs yes I'm British sent out to keep an eye on the Empire
[14:46] <HA6NN> Kodar Hello, please be patient and track BC04S if you can! Tnx!
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[14:48] <HA6NN> Anyone here from Croatia, Bosnia or Serbia?
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[14:56] <Kodar> FLdigi cant track it
[14:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> GKCV3B is down now for me wat a good flight
[14:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat=was
[15:00] <HA6NN> Kodar: I still can hear it from JN98vc! Your LOC pse?
[15:01] <PE2G> GKCV3B is heading for a wood now...
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[15:04] <luteijn|PC1PCL> wonder if it's on the railroad or in the woods..
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[15:04] <PE2G> Lats useful decode: $$$$$GKCV3B,821,15:02:34,51.950537,7.469071,312,6,9,2669,08*B2B3
[15:05] <PE2G> Last*
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[15:10] <HA6NN> We are looking for traking stations on the territtory of Croatia, Bosnia, Serbis and Italy. There's BC04S on 434800 kHz RTTY 100 baud 850 Hz shift 7N2, ÍRegistered and listed in flights, Autoconfig in fldigi may be used.
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[15:15] <sq5kvs> eroomde: I was thinking that it's a reliant robin from the top gear space shuttle :D
[15:15] <sq5kvs> hyhy, lag
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[15:17] <sq5kvs> HA6NN: You should try announce on some local internet forums
[15:17] <sq5kvs> i think
[15:18] <HA6NN> sq5kvs Yes, I did.
[15:22] <sq5kvs> hm dk0lg is only on aprs?
[15:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> HA6NN try the on4kst.org 2m/70cm chat room
[15:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> HA6NN http://www.on4kst.org/chat/index.php
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[15:31] <sq5kvs> ciao
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[15:44] <HA6NN> OZ1SKY: Hello Brian, Very good idea!
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[16:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PYSY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSY
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[16:48] <infaddict_mob> test from iPhone
[16:49] <christopherlee> test received
[16:50] <infaddict> thx christopherlee. had strange problem where iphone client didnt post messages but seems to be working now.
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[16:52] <christopherlee> What client have you been using?
[16:57] <infaddict> theres a suprising lack of good free and rated options on the app store that i could see. trying out TurboIRC for now.
[16:57] <infaddict> seems to disconnect a few mins after locking phone, which is a bit crap
[16:58] <christopherlee> Used Limechat a few times but not sure if i paid for it.
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[16:59] <Benny_boy> Afternoon all
[16:59] <infaddict> thats what i'm using here on OSX and i like it. didnt think it was avail on iOS but will check.
[16:59] <christopherlee> I use on mac as well
[16:59] <mfa298> a long time ago (when I was a mac user) I used colloquy on a macbook and Ithink there's an iphone version. not sure if it's a free thing these days though
[17:00] <Benny_boy> anyone have experience with the MX-F01 style 433Mhz transmitters? I'm having a play with one and it is really 'drifty' when I first send teh data pin high. It an almost exponential decay to a steady frequency.
[17:00] <Benny_boy> decay should really say decrease
[17:01] <Benny_boy> dodgy transmitter ar are they just crap?
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[17:01] <Benny_boy> eg http://www.amazon.com/DC3-12V-433-92MHZ-Super-Regenerative-Wireless-Transmitter/dp/B00GYV3M68
[17:01] <mattbrejza> crap
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[17:02] <mattbrejza> its a OOK module so a few 100Hz drift on powerup is meh
[17:02] <Benny_boy> that's what I thought.
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[17:04] <infaddict> does everybody get their posts on the google group moderated or just some (I do hence me asking)?
[17:04] <christopherlee> I have for past year
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[17:06] <christopherlee> just got your post
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[17:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> I think you will find the majority are moderated!
[17:14] <daveake> Especially the ones in comic sans, I imagine
[17:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Argh 9am on a Sunday, I'll have to vnc in from the tablet then!
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[17:26] <LazyLeopard> Does 9am exist on Sundays?
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[17:32] <christopherlee> It does when you have kids
[17:33] Action: daveake checks
[17:33] <daveake> Nope doesn't apply :)
[17:34] <christopherlee> Infact in all honesty the dog ensures i never sleep in past 7
[17:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS5RPC_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS5RPC_chase
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[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:00] <tweetBot> @daveake: Latest MagPi magazine with HAB featured (P12-15) https://t.co/xxCtfknE5z #UKHAS
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[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
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[19:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP3OSJ after 0322 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3OSJ
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[19:46] <michemto> Hey everybody! Last notification... StratosChem #2 will start tomorrow and we are waiting for all Estonian, Finnish, Latvian and Lithuanian guys to catch our signal :)
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[20:08] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[20:11] <SA6BSS> sp3osj prediction http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=17662b7a622641291dee8787cd2ddb20c977737d
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[20:21] <Nova2> hello. anyone know a thing or two about sstv on ham?
[20:24] <Vaizki> here if anywhere, yes
[20:25] <Nova2> Vaizki u think u could help me with my ballooning adventures?
[20:26] <Vaizki> Slim chance that I can be of help but the heavy hitters may chime in
[20:27] <Nova2> im trying to set up all my comms with a rpi
[20:27] <Nova2> put it onboard and stream back images and gps readings
[20:28] <daveake> ok
[20:29] <Vaizki> Perfectly doable yes
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> Images are hard.
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> What are you planning to use to transmit, and where are you
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> Also - >postage-stamp is almost not happening.
[20:30] <Nova2> daveake: i feel like ive heard of u before lol. did u make a vid on youtube where ur wearing a green shirt?
[20:30] <Nova2> i plan on using ham to transmit
[20:30] <Nova2> US
[20:31] <Vaizki> Aprs?
[20:31] <Nova2> Aprs as in the network? bc no one near me is on it
[20:33] <Vaizki> Ok so which ham band and mode?
[20:33] <Nova2> good question
[20:33] <Nova2> thats why im here
[20:34] <Nova2> i have no clue how data transmission works on radio
[20:34] <Vaizki> Eep
[20:34] <Nova2> that is?
[20:34] <Vaizki> You have a ham license though?
[20:35] <Vaizki> Most people here are from countries where airborne ham transmissions are illegal
[20:36] <Nova2> my dads friend will be with me. but he has a busy work scheduale and cant really help me
[20:36] <Nova2> oh hes licensed i meant to say
[20:37] <Nova2> what wavelength would i need to use and how can i stream over it
[20:38] <daveake> you can use whatever is licensed and you have the kit for
[20:38] <daveake> however, wrong question
[20:38] <Vaizki> Well that's not a short treatise to answer
[20:38] <daveake> what's more important is how to encode the data (telemetry, images) and then decode
[20:38] <Nova2> daveake was it ur video with the green shirt?
[20:39] <Nova2> how would i go about encoding it?
[20:39] <daveake> I have many ahidrts
[20:39] <daveake> and an inability to type
[20:39] <daveake> Well the simplest is RTTY
[20:39] <Nova2> what is that?
[20:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wonder if anyone have tryed with a wireless IP camara ?
[20:40] <daveake> !wiki RTTY
[20:40] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03interrupt_driven_rtty (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:interrupt_driven_rtty
[20:40] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03rtty_dsp (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:rtty_dsp
[20:40] <daveake> Frankly, in the USA I'd be using APRS for tracking and just slap in a TV transmitter for video
[20:40] <Vaizki> Rtty is a binary FSK (frequency shift keying) mode
[20:41] <daveake> ^ how to explain one unknown term using several others :)
[20:41] <Nova2> like dots and dashes?
[20:41] <daveake> no
[20:41] <Vaizki> Meaning the radio sends on 2 close by frequencies and jumps between them to relay bits
[20:41] <daveake> 2 frequencies
[20:41] <Vaizki> One bit per jump
[20:41] <Nova2> and the two represent 1s and 0s?
[20:41] <daveake> yup
[20:42] <Vaizki> Sorry am on an iPhone sitting outside on a small island :)
[20:42] <daveake> you and your island :)
[20:42] <Vaizki> https://fbcdn-photos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-0/11665647_920525951304114_8725613428735813599_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3ec92dd62233e183b3cb51166ae192f4&oe=56321F96&__gda__=1441435900_c8b67ecfa99f09d9c537acd5a7fe1114
[20:42] <Nova2> so basically transmitting in morse code?
[20:42] <daveake> no
[20:42] <Vaizki> The sun just set
[20:42] <daveake> morse code is completely different
[20:42] <Nova2> i meant binary*
[20:42] <Vaizki> Morse is one one frequency with breaks in a carrier
[20:42] <Nova2> not thinking
[20:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hope its not thousand island then
[20:43] <daveake> It is RS232 over radio
[20:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUNCH1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUNCH1
[20:43] <daveake> where the RS232 voltages are replaced by 2 slightly different radio frequenciies
[20:43] <Vaizki> Nova, yes you send start bit, data bits and stop bits
[20:43] <daveake> Which is why it's so easy to generate using a serial port like on the Pi
[20:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> daveake should it not be possible to make 2 rtty channels then on a Pi ?
[20:44] <Nova2> daveake: on your balloons& did u stream?
[20:44] <daveake> Pi has 1 serial port available
[20:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok
[20:45] <daveake> Sadly it's not possible to map both ports to GPIO pins at the same time
[20:45] <Nova2> could i send images over the RTTY?
[20:45] <Vaizki> Your radio changes frequency based on input voltage so the serial port 0V and +3.3V on pi get translated to the frequency jumps
[20:45] <daveake> Which is .... annoying
[20:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> would be great though, one for TLM and another for "fun"
[20:45] <daveake> Yes you can encode images using SSDV and then send the result over RTTY
[20:46] <daveake> one for radio one for GPS would be good
[20:46] <Nova2> ive got 3 pis from old projects
[20:46] <Nova2> so on my computer&. i would need to decode the rtty then decode ssdv?
[20:47] <daveake> There's free s/w called dl-fldigi that does this
[20:47] <daveake> does both at once
[20:47] <Vaizki> But rtty is usually 50baud = 50 bits per second =~ 5-6 characters per sec
[20:47] <Nova2> ok. and what will happen if there is a lost packet?
[20:48] <Vaizki> Not 9600 or 57600 like you are used to with wired serial
[20:48] <Vaizki> Hole in the picture
[20:48] <daveake> lost packet = lost part of the image
[20:48] <Vaizki> Sstv handles it
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[20:48] <Nova2> will it replace it? or is it just gone and i have to live with it
[20:49] <Vaizki> It is a one way link
[20:49] <Vaizki> So it can't resend missing
[20:49] <daveake> Generally it's a 1-way link and no retries
[20:49] <Nova2> is there an optimal frequency for this rtty?
[20:49] <daveake> no
[20:50] <Vaizki> That's why you save the pics on a glued in as card and go find the balloon when it comes down
[20:50] <Nova2> is there an optimal frequency for a line of sight q.gs/10033357/jgn?
[20:50] <Vaizki> Sd card
[20:50] <Nova2> i dont plan on chasing the balloon honestly
[20:50] <daveake> no
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[20:50] <Vaizki> Do plan
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[20:50] <mattbrejza> thats the best bit...
[20:50] <Nova2> ill put a parachute on it so it doesnt kill anyone but i dont wanna chase&..
[20:51] <Vaizki> Why not
[20:51] <daveake> it is the best bit
[20:51] <Vaizki> Are you averse to fun? :)
[20:52] <Nova2> im averse to chasing for hours then finding out the cold got in and ruined all electronics onboard
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Nova2: It is essentially impossible to ruin SD cards
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Cold also doesn't ruin things.
[20:52] <daveake> The cold won't ruin anything
[20:52] <Vaizki> They survive for years on the ocean floor
[20:53] <daveake> SD cards will survive 6 months in salt water, let alone a few hours in a slightly cold box
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> ^To be clear - microSDs - not the SD cards that are made of two clipped together plastic halves
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> they won't
[20:53] <Nova2> speaking of which&. will it get too hot or too cold in the styrofoam box? the heat of the computer would make it hot right? or is the air too thin and too little convection
[20:54] <daveake> The Pi keeps things warm so you need moderate insulation
[20:54] <Vaizki> Too cold for what?
[20:55] <Nova2> im afraid the pi will overheat since it cant disperse heat due to low convection
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[20:56] <daveake> no that won't happen either
[20:56] <Nova2> and daveake: how will send data on radio from pi?
[20:57] <Nova2> is there a certain length of antenna i need for a certain freq?
[20:58] <daveake> I told you -- RTTY - serial port to radio
[20:58] <daveake> and yes we usually use aerials that are 1/4 of the wavelength
[20:59] <Nova2> what do both of those mean&
[20:59] <Nova2> in english
[20:59] <Nova2> or french
[20:59] <Vaizki> :)
[20:59] <Vaizki> Long way to go
[20:59] <daveake> Google is your friend
[20:59] <daveake> It's ever present and patient
[20:59] <Nova2> i understand that im most likely frustrating you
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[21:00] <daveake> Well, we have a wiki
[21:00] <Nova2> wheres that?
[21:00] <daveake> Which people write so other people can read
[21:00] <daveake> ukhas.org.uk
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[21:03] <Nova2> any idea if i could use the radiometrix thing with the pi?
[21:03] <daveake> which radiometrix thing?
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[21:04] <Nova2> 434 mhz 10 mW
[21:04] <Nova2> and wtf 10 mW??
[21:04] <daveake> I guess you mean the NTX2 then
[21:04] <Nova2> thats like nothing
[21:04] <Nova2> yes i do
[21:05] <daveake> yes it connects to the Pi in the same way, but to the serial port
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[21:05] <Nova2> would i need a breadboard to set it up with the antenna and pi?
[21:05] <daveake> Max range on NTX2 from a HAB is about 500 miles
[21:05] <daveake> breadboard is possible
[21:05] <daveake> It's also the work of the devil
[21:06] <Nova2> i agree
[21:07] <Nova2> i want a radio powerful enough to melt the pigeons XD
[21:07] <Nova2> call some aliens
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[21:08] <adamgreig> call the police more likely
[21:10] <loxodes> .. I've run HAARP, and even that wasn't enough to melt birds flying overhead
[21:10] <Nova2> daveake: how crap is chinese aeriel?
[21:10] <daveake> how crap are american cars?
[21:10] <daveake> varies
[21:11] <daveake> from really crap to not crap at all
[21:12] <Upu> o rly ? http://www.moneysupermarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Pontiac-Aztec.jpg
[21:12] <daveake> OK, worse than "really crap" :)
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[21:13] <chimpusmaximus> Mm lovely
[21:13] <daveake> OK we insulted his country :)
[21:14] <Upu> heh
[21:15] <daveake> Is that pontiac for blind people? Or just designed by one?
[21:15] <chimpusmaximus> Not even the colour helps it
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[21:28] <Upu> I think it was designed by a team of 10 people
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[21:28] <Upu> who never met
[21:28] <Nova2> daveake: what low gain antenna do u use on ur balloons?
[21:29] <mfa298> !wiki payload antenna
[21:29] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Wiki page 03payload_antenna (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[21:29] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Wiki page 03projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi?s[]=payload&amp;s[]=antenna
[21:29] <mfa298> Nova2: first of those two links
[21:29] <daveake> Nova2 Please ask general questions to the crowd not individuals
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[21:30] <daveake> Plenty of people here can answer most questions
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> I'm not good with 13th century french philosophy, other than that, fine.
[21:31] <chrisstubbs> Yes, making your own is quite easy and probably (for this application) more suitable than most ready made
[21:31] <daveake> s/most questions/most questions about HAB/ :-)
[21:31] <Nova2> interesting resourcefulness lol the straws XD
[21:32] <mfa298> s/Plenty of peoplehere/The wiki/
[21:32] <daveake> Yeah I got that in earlier
[21:32] <Nova2> not sure if i will follow your tutorial as i do not enjoy soldering
[21:33] <Nova2> at all
[21:33] <daveake> Well how are you going to make a tracker that survives a flight?
[21:34] <daveake> pleasedontsaybreadboard...pleasedontsaybreadboard...pleasedontsaybreadboard
[21:34] <mattbrejza> terminal blocks
[21:34] <mfa298> prayer ?
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> twist and tape
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[21:35] <Nova2> breadboard
[21:35] <daveake> OK ...
[21:35] <daveake> .. did you see the bit where I said "survive a flight?"
[21:36] <daveake> breadboard won't surive being lifted off your desk
[21:36] <mfa298> breadboard struggles in the best of environments. I doubt it will survive Ed's stairs test
[21:36] <Nova2> is it gonna be shot at? lol
[21:36] <daveake> OK go to youtube
[21:36] <daveake> find a video of what happens when the balloon bursts
[21:36] <daveake> come back here
[21:36] <daveake> then tell me that breadboard will survive
[21:37] <mattbrejza> im quite tempted to fly a breadboard payload to see what will happen
[21:37] <mfa298> failing that build your stuff on breadboard and throw it does the stairs, if it happens to survive (highly unlikely) throw it down again
[21:37] <Ian_> daveake if you are able to grep zeusbot logs you will fine that Nova (2) played this game a month or so ago and disparaged AR. I think that his entertainment isn't HAB but Troll
[21:37] <mattbrejza> (i wonder if thats why there is a rfm22b on $50sat)
[21:38] <Nova2> no ian&. that was during school. school has ended and now im setting out to do this again
[21:38] <daveake> The only reason I'd fly breadboard is so that I then no longer own a breadboard
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[21:39] <Nova2> who the fuck would find pleasure in trolling on an irc channel&..
[21:39] <mattbrejza> we did the same thing with rpis
[21:39] <Nova2> mattbrejza: what did u use for radio?
[21:39] <mattbrejza> dumped them in the sea to make sure
[21:39] <daveake> Language please ... family friendly channel
[21:39] <Ian_> Ditto
[21:40] <mattbrejza> we got some of these from amazon and hacked them to send digital data http://www.amazon.co.uk/Monster-High-15048-Walkie-Talkies/dp/B0055UFQFY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1435354801&sr=8-3
[21:41] <Nova2> is that a joke?
[21:41] <mattbrejza> it could work
[21:42] <Ian_> Good for monster data telemetry
[21:42] <mattbrejza> just need a bit of electrical tape to hold the ppt button down
[21:42] <mfa298> mattbrejza: at age 7+ aren't those too advanced for half the uni people doing hab ? (especially blast/sharp_
[21:42] <mattbrejza> ptt
[21:42] <mattbrejza> the stated range is more than the radiometrix modules too
[21:44] <Nova2> are there brand for things like the radiometrix stuff?
[21:44] <chrisstubbs> Stick some of these on the payload box to make it go higher http://r.ebay.com/MgvfG6
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[21:50] <mfa298> maybe you could add some of these to be balloon http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261367574485 so you could reduce the gas used but still get a decent ascent rate :p
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[22:13] <Vaizki> 2 bats are picking off insects attracted to my lantern.. I guess I should go and sleep before I'm guano'd
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[22:17] <Vaizki> actually the reason is the tip of my nose is so cold its going to fall off and ecen rum isn't
[22:18] <Vaizki> helping
[22:19] <Vaizki> so off to sleep, nite
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