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[07:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BAL253-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BAL253-11
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[08:04] <infaddict> Morning all. I notice a Eggsplorer flight on same day as mine. They are 434.45 and 434.65. Mine are 434.2 and 434.485. How close is considered too close?
[08:05] <fsphil> that's plenty
[08:06] <mfa298> 0.025 (25khz) is probably a sensible gap between payloads although I think we've had some that are even smaller gaps
[08:07] <mfa298> for some of us that havn't upgraded to the airspy yet, having all the payloads in a 192khz space is useful.
[08:08] <infaddict> ok thanks. it was the 30hz gap between one of theirs and Upu's backup (434.485) I was concerned about. but seems like its ok.
[08:08] <infaddict> oops not hz, u get what i mean
[08:09] <mfa298> with the newer ntx2b and similar radios you could probably have a 5khz gap and have plenty of space. bigger gaps helped with the older drifty radio modules
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[08:23] <infaddict> thx mfa298 and fsphil
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[10:56] <JonnyImperial> Hi, quick question about helium - is it illegal to carry canisters of the gas on public transport?
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[10:57] <infaddict> hi JonnyImperial. I dont believe so, as many sites hire helium cylinders to the general public without any warning about transport restrictions.
[11:00] <JonnyImperial> thanks!
[11:01] <craag> Err I'd check with the transport
[11:02] <craag> Eg. lead acid batteries are still banned on public transport iirc
[11:02] <SpeedEvil> From memory, there is no global banned list on busses
[11:02] <SpeedEvil> it's per carrier
[11:02] <daveake> Yeah you'll have to check with the transport company
[11:02] <JonnyImperial> ah ok
[11:03] <daveake> helium is "dangerous goods class 2.2" (i.e. compressed gas) in case that helps
[11:03] <infaddict> daveake: wonder what level you have to get to to require a sign on back of car/van
[11:04] <daveake> I think it's > 2 large cylinders
[11:04] <daveake> but signs are cheap just get one
[11:04] <daveake> green (compressed gas) for helium red (flammable) for h2
[11:05] <daveake> then you're safe :p
[11:05] <craag> might even get tailgated less :)
[11:06] <daveake> yes :)
[11:06] <infaddict> ha yer!
[11:07] <eroomde> i would love a rocket boost feature on cars
[11:07] <eroomde> (i'm quite serious btw)
[11:07] <eroomde> just to pull out and get some speed up for overtaking
[11:08] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/fj2sUvc.png more pluto
[11:08] <eroomde> if you were to tap off some engine power to keep a small compressed air tank topped up, and you used some petrol, you'd have you two propellants
[11:08] <eroomde> and get maybe 10kN for a few s
[11:08] <Laurenceb__> ultimate boy racer
[11:09] <infaddict> fsphil: bit out of date on pluto news. heard about a dark spot.
[11:09] <fsphil> both pluto and charon have very dark spots
[11:09] <fsphil> there is what looks like a large crater on the right of pluto in that image
[11:10] <fsphil> in the dark area
[11:10] <fsphil> which the B5 fanboy in me hopes they call z'ha'dum
[11:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE2WMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[11:29] <JonnyImperial> unfortunately it's not legal to bring helium on the bus or tube or trains
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> JonnyImperial: Not saying you're wrong - but can you point to the regulation?
[11:30] <JonnyImperial> I called up TfL, Great Northern and Abellio and they told me it wasn't allowed
[11:31] <JonnyImperial> I couldn't find it quickly online so I gave them a ring
[11:31] <fsphil> that probably just say that to keep themselves right
[11:32] <fsphil> safer to say it's now allowed and find out later that it is
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> It's also at the discretion of the transport company likely
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> So even if there isn't legislation forbidding it
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> ...
[11:32] <fsphil> BOC deliver
[11:32] <JonnyImperial> hmm yeah
[11:33] <daveake> Presumably someone has a chase car for the flight itself?
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> So does ebay
[11:33] <daveake> Can't said someone collect the gas?
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Helium-Balloon-Gas-cylinder-10L-size-200-Bar-Fill-NO-ROLLING-RENTAL-CHARGES-/221799472550?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a4475da6
[11:34] <garymortimer> good question Dave ;-)
[11:34] <JonnyImperial> he was going to meet us at the launch point in cambridge but I think we'll have to ask him yeah
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> 10l cylinder - 2m^3, that's what - ~3kg lift at STP
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[12:04] <JonnyImperial> daveake: do you know if placing 2 antennas (one for FSK RTTY, one for LoRa) close to each other on the payload causes the signals to 'clash'?
[12:04] <daveake> Nothing to do with the modulation
[12:05] <daveake> Putting 2 near each other will detune each somewhat
[12:05] <daveake> Try and keep them at least 1/4 wavelength (i.e. 164mm) apart
[12:05] <JonnyImperial> ok thanks
[12:05] <daveake> Still planing on a launch tomorrow?
[12:06] <JonnyImperial> yeah
[12:06] <JonnyImperial> oh right I should announce
[12:07] <daveake> OK question for you; after the flight which is most likely? A - you're drinking to the success of the flight; B: Us lot complain about yet another fail? Answer honestly :-)
[12:07] <daveake> (p.s. I don't know the answer)
[12:08] <daveake> But we're a grumpy lot when flights fail
[12:10] <JonnyImperial> I'd say we're 80% likely to retrieve it ok, we have help from one of the guys at Cambridge on site which will hopefully prevent the major pitfalls
[12:10] <daveake> Yes that will help a lot with the launch side
[12:11] <daveake> I helped a school launch a while back; I lost count of the number of fails I prevented
[12:11] <JonnyImperial> depends on the definition of success though, I doubt all the functionality that we planned with IBM's software will work at all
[12:11] <JonnyImperial> haha yeah I can imagine
[12:12] <daveake> Most important part is to have a nice safe flight path / landing area, to track throughout the flight and locate the landing spot
[12:12] <daveake> So those things should be your priority
[12:12] <JonnyImperial> ok cool
[12:16] <JonnyImperial> thanks for the help again btw, and sorry for being the usual clueless beginners; it really is appreciated
[12:16] <JonnyImperial> I'll put a thank you message on our screen (hopefully it'll take a pic before it freezes)
[12:17] <day> JonnyImperial: helium specifically is not allowed in public transport?
[12:17] <JonnyImperial> I'm not sure if it's specifically helium but helium is what I said when I talked to them
[12:18] <JonnyImperial> one of them told me it was because it was flammable
[12:18] <day> sounds strange. are these gas zylinders to make home made mineral water also forbidden?
[12:18] <day> so much for that :D
[12:22] <mattbrejza> what size cylinder did you want to haul around london anyway?
[12:22] <mattbrejza> they are quite heavy...
[12:22] <mattbrejza> also a tube/bus counts as an enclosed space?
[12:23] <mattbrejza> the uni doesnt allow us to transport cylinders in cars for that reason
[12:24] <daveake> I know BOC recommend they are transported in an open space (e.g. pickup truck) but otherwise to keep windows open
[12:25] <mattbrejza> done the risk assessment btw?
[12:25] Action: infaddict makes note to keep a window open
[12:26] <JonnyImperial> My teammate says they're around 30kg
[12:26] <JonnyImperial> 3 of them
[12:27] <mattbrejza> oh you have three 1.8m3 (iirc) cylinders?
[12:27] <eroomde> we borrowed the engineering dept's pickup truck to get them around
[12:27] <eroomde> thos ewere bigguns
[12:27] <JonnyImperial> mattbrejza: yeah he says that's the one
[12:27] <mattbrejza> we've hired a van for this before
[12:27] <mattbrejza> the uni will probably be able to get you a cheap rate
[12:27] <JonnyImperial> I think we're gonna hire a minibus
[12:27] <JonnyImperial> yeah
[12:28] <mattbrejza> well make sure the windows are open
[12:28] <eroomde> pickup, bottles, barroon https://www.dropbox.com/s/ladar503wepcp8o/CIMG0031.JPG?dl=0
[12:29] <daveake> that one wanted to go up
[12:30] <eroomde> yes it did
[12:30] <tweetBot> @marsballoon: https://t.co/JhyrGS5VI0 Terror in the stratosphere! Flight video of #Firestar is now available! #HABHUB #UKHAS @bristolseds @ThalesUK
[12:30] <daveake> Infaddict: handy hint - if your balloon looks like that, you've over-estimated the size of a "Stirk"
[12:30] <eroomde> it got fairly tiring holding it down
[12:31] <daveake> I bet
[12:33] <mattbrejza> that video illustrates quite well why the string payload<=>parachute is longer than parachute<=>balloon
[12:36] <daveake> blimey those eggs had a rough ride
[12:36] <daveake> that's really not a sensible design
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[12:36] <infaddict> was this the one that we thought had a failed chute and landed in a forest?
[12:36] <daveake> yup
[12:37] <eroomde> yes
[12:37] <craag> lol you can see the 'Remove before launch' label on the ubseds tracker :)
[12:37] <daveake> lol
[12:37] <eroomde> oh dear
[12:38] Action: daveake edits "how to lose your payload" page
[12:38] <daveake> didn't think of that one
[12:39] <infaddict> great to see the video of what we were all tracking live tho
[12:39] <infaddict> so close to missing the trees too
[12:39] <fsphil> I can't watch the vid atm, was the tag brightly coloured?
[12:40] <craag> fsphil: No, it was quite small.
[12:40] <mattbrejza> next time perhaps attach it to a large weight...
[12:40] <fsphil> ah, easily missed
[12:41] <craag> Yep - a simple check of receiving the telemetry before launch would have exposed it though!
[12:41] <infaddict> so their line from payload to chute was very small and smaller than chute to balloon for some reason
[12:41] <infaddict> so did the chute get caught up in 1) balloon debris or 2) payload
[12:45] <tweetBot> @daveake: Gentle reminder for those new to HAB http://t.co/mxTE6V7xOH& (updat after watching a couple of recent flights that didn't go to plan) #UKHAS
[12:46] <infaddict> urgh bad link daveake
[12:46] <daveake> grr
[12:46] <daveake> fail
[12:46] <daveake> :)
[12:46] <daveake> Edited and tweetmap changed the link for me
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[12:47] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Payload designed to catch on branches...
[12:47] <tweetBot> @daveake: Gentle reminder for those new to HAB (update after watching a couple of recent flights that didn't go 2 plan) #UKHAS https://t.co/XElzZyevTg
[12:47] <daveake> better
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[12:57] <SpeedEvil> daveake: perhaps sensible to link to the non-inverted checklist too
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[13:03] <tweetBot> @daveake: And this is what you should be doing for a successful high altitude balloon flight #UKHAS https://t.co/vctGf3jN25
[13:03] <daveake> your wish etc
[13:03] <fsphil> and a pony
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Please.
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Unicorn.
[13:07] <mattbrejza> so daveake , how many of those have you broken?
[13:07] <christopherlee> JonnyImperial: Whens your launch? Would be interested to try and pick up LoRa if your using it.
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[13:08] <daveake> mattbrejza Good question.
[13:08] <daveake> Moving on ...
[13:08] <daveake> :p
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[13:09] <fsphil> at least one is mine, and I've probably done a few others
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[13:10] <SpeedEvil> I think most frequent launchers have added one to that list
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> s/frequent//
[13:11] <mattbrejza> a number of things i havnt bothered with (eg proper map)
[13:11] <infaddict> guys, stop worrying me ;-/
[13:12] <infaddict> i dont have paper maps for this region, as prediction means I'd need to spend around £300 on OS maps!
[13:12] <infaddict> i have a road atlas at best
[13:12] <mattbrejza> well phone w/google maps + satnav is fine if you ask me
[13:13] <gonzo_> I can add overinflation of foils, though that did mean that the chase was only a few miles
[13:13] <gonzo_> and overflying an airport, due to not checking prediction for a few hrs before launch
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> infaddict: If you have phone maps, and good coverage, that is fine
[13:14] <daveake> Yeah don't rely on 3G. Make sure you have kit/power to get the last position, then tap it into your sat nav. For the "last half mile", if you don't have 3G, use offline mapping (e.g. Backcountry Explorer) or a simple goto app that gives you distance and direction (e.g. Ham GPS)
[13:15] <craag> infaddict: If you have android, Matt's 'Hab tracker and modem' app uses offline OSM mapping, and can plot a rtty audio signal on it without any internet connection.
[13:16] <daveake> yes get that
[13:17] <fsphil> matthab
[13:17] <mattbrejza> id advise if you can, having a device for only that app, as the version on the store will easily get kicked out of ram if you go switching apps
[13:17] <mattbrejza> (i do have a caching version i can push, but it has my buggy BT lora stuff lol...)
[13:19] <infaddict> I have ViewRanger full GB OS maps (offline) on my phone
[13:19] <infaddict> its just not paper, so if phone dies etc. but i have car charger and inverter
[13:20] <craag> Sounds like you're reasonably prepped :)
[13:20] <daveake> yup
[13:20] <infaddict> maps are only 1:50,000 but still decent
[13:20] <daveake> phone batteries can get used up pretty quickly if you're using GPS and wifi
[13:21] <infaddict> and can key in lat/long in various forms. tested that whilst tracking.
[13:21] <craag> the key thing is being able to enter a lat/lon and get a marker
[13:21] <craag> :D
[13:21] <infaddict> snap
[13:21] <infaddict> the only bit i wasnt really sure of was how to then plot best driving route to that position. clearly its an OS map not a sat nav. so i picked a nearby village and used that instead.
[13:21] <christopherlee> lol
[13:22] <craag> yep that's what I do
[13:22] <daveake> yeah a car sat nav will get you close but not always to the best position
[13:22] <christopherlee> i must get use to two keybaords..
[13:22] <daveake> sometimes I've ended up circling thenearby roads looking for the easiest path to the payload
[13:22] <daveake> ofc everyone on IRC thinks you're lost ...
[13:23] <infaddict> yer so i have google maps on phone and macbook and driving instructions normally pretty good. once in the vicinity i hope i can switch on OS maps.
[13:23] <infaddict> haha yep daveake i've seen chase cars driving around in circles
[13:23] <craag> A lot harder in the dark too as we found out daveake !
[13:23] <daveake> haha yes :)
[13:24] <daveake> Maps tend not to show barbed wire, ditches or cows
[13:24] <infaddict> night HAB. a new hobby. are you allowed flashing LED's?
[13:24] <daveake> Reflective tape is what you want
[13:24] <daveake> and a big torch
[13:24] <infaddict> yep i have some of that
[13:24] <daveake> no point this time of year
[13:24] <infaddict> true, hardly gets dark
[13:25] <daveake> but a night landing on a flat field is one of the easiest things to find
[13:25] <infaddict> has anybody actually witnessed one landing before?
[13:25] <daveake> yes has happened a few times
[13:26] <daveake> rare though
[13:26] <infaddict> wow thats lucky
[13:26] <craag> susf have seen most I think
[13:26] <daveake> "a few" generally; for me just once
[13:26] <craag> (out of the number we've done)
[13:26] <mattbrejza> i think we're at 4 total?
[13:27] <daveake> I've seen a few coming in to land but the actual landing has been obscured
[13:27] <fsphil> https://vimeo.com/14572413
[13:27] <daveake> oh, actually I saw 2 land ...
[13:27] <daveake> ... the other one was right in front of me and Darkside
[13:27] <daveake> I say "land"
[13:27] <daveake> actuall tree and bush and phone lines
[13:27] <craag> I saw the el reg one - that was rather good. Turned down a little lane and there it was bombing into the trees in front of us.
[13:27] <daveake> and car
[13:28] <eroomde> have seen a few land
[13:28] <daveake> oh yeah you were closer than us
[13:28] <eroomde> once the live predictor was up it was easy
[13:28] <fsphil> most of mine land overseas
[13:28] <fsphil> or inseas
[13:29] <eroomde> the idea of 'the chase' become more 'the wait'
[13:29] <fsphil> wonder if that one in belarus was ever found
[13:29] <daveake> I wish someone would find one of my old lost payloads
[13:29] <fsphil> I'm still holding out hope for the yorkshire one to come back
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BERKOHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BERKOHAB
[13:31] <fsphil> "ey up! ave found um kind o' sliva box"
[13:32] <daveake> I did get one call but that was from someone who saw the payload land in front of him
[13:32] <daveake> "have you lost a raspberry?"
[13:33] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/P1070807-682x1024.jpg
[13:33] <fsphil> probably should have labelled it "do not eat"
[13:33] <eroomde> must be odd to just be walking the dog
[13:33] <eroomde> and then have a raspberry under a parachute fall out of a clear sky
[13:35] <daveake> We picked up the SSDV as we got close to his house, but it was all black as he'd left it in the garage, lights off, camera facing down
[13:35] <daveake> He was out at a country diy store when it landed in the road in front of him as he was driving off
[13:35] <fsphil> ah I remember that one
[13:36] <daveake> confused the hell out of me when I couldn't get a signal at the landing site
[13:36] <daveake> We parked where it landed
[13:36] <Laurenceb__> does anyone know of a cheap seeedstudio style flexi-pcb service?
[13:36] <Laurenceb__> itead used to do it, but no more :-/
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[13:45] <eroomde> gold phonix
[13:45] <eroomde> phoenix*
[13:56] <Laurenceb__> ah thanks
[13:57] <Laurenceb__> hmm nice specs
[13:58] <Laurenceb__> but punch cut? thats going to be expensive for tooling?
[13:58] <Laurenceb__> I thought everyone used UV laser cutting
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[14:01] <Laurenceb__> ermoode: any idea if they do through hole plated fr4 reinforcement?
[14:02] <Laurenceb__> oops freudian slip
[14:02] <Laurenceb__> *eroomde
[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX2 after 0320 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX2
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KHS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KHS
[14:18] <Laurenceb__> PS-46 trying to cross over the equator
[14:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX8 after 0320 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX8
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[14:22] <Laurenceb__> that would be extremely cool, but probably not going to happen
[14:22] <eroomde> Laurenceb__: no idea
[14:22] <Laurenceb__> k
[14:22] <Laurenceb__> I know some manufacturers can do it, but I also know its pricey :-/
[14:23] <Laurenceb__> I guess there is the DIY route with FR4 and 2 layer flexi + some BGA style soldering
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[14:24] <Laurenceb__> ie solder blobs/balls
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[16:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUNCH1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUNCH1
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[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03uX3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=uX3
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[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0PT - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0PT
[17:39] <Laurenceb__> is anyone from the picospace team in here?
[17:43] <DJ0FET> Good evening! Can you please approve flight fcfe735de52bef3e3d2711bf69fb0cd8 ?
[17:44] <Upu> [18:44] <SpacenearUS> Upu: Flight stratoBeagle 2015 final (fcfe735de52bef3e3d2711bf69fb0cd8) has been approved! Good luck
[17:44] <DJ0FET> Thank you :)
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[17:51] <YO9GJX> http://amsat-uk.org/2015/06/23/madhen-eggsplorer-1-balloon-launch/
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[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INFCU1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFCU1
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[18:34] <fsphil> can't think of any egg puns at all. none at all.
[18:36] <LazyLeopard> Chickened out?
[18:36] <fsphil> too egghausted
[18:36] <fsphil> ack
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> I can't think of any, my brain is just fried.
[18:39] <fsphil> yea I'm shattered
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[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-11
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[21:01] <JonnyImperial> Hello! We're hopefully launching tomorrow, any last minute important points? (we got helium+regulator, filler assembly, zip ties & duct tape & gloves) any other little things that are easy to forget?
[21:02] <craag> 3g dongles / data plans topped up?
[21:02] <craag> got the balloon? :P
[21:03] <Laurenceb__> ooh leaks
[21:03] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5P3pzbEnwuA
[21:03] <Laurenceb__> clearly it works
[21:03] <Laurenceb__> /troll
[21:03] <JonnyImperial> 3g dongle yeah, balloon yeah haha
[21:04] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb__: pcbpool just spammed me this: https://www.pcb-pool.com/ppuk/info_pcbpool_flex.html
[21:05] <Laurenceb__> very interesting, thanks
[21:05] <craag> Get the payload running, check it's appearing on the map before messing with the balloon.
[21:06] <craag> Check again before you let go of it!
[21:06] <Ian_> Clean Groundsheet
[21:06] <JonnyImperial> how do you usually hold it down to stop it flying as you fill it?
[21:07] <craag> That can help if there's only a few of you - we usually get a few people to lift the balloon on their arms as we fill it
[21:07] <craag> Hold onto the neck+filltube as you fill it.
[21:08] <craag> People can help stop the balloon waving around in the wind with covered arms / gloved hands.
[21:08] <Ian_> No greasy nose marks on the balloon
[21:09] <JonnyImperial> do we attach extra strings on for people to hold onto?
[21:09] <JonnyImperial> actually how much do the balloons usually want to lift off? would they pull a small person up?
[21:10] <craag> JonnyImperial: http://susf.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Cait_apraise_Balloon_God.jpg
[21:10] <craag> But try to avoid greasy hair contact...
[21:10] <Laurenceb__> 236euros, not too bad for work projects
[21:11] <craag> JonnyImperial: What??!? No... look at your free lift amount.
[21:12] <mattbrejza> not quite itead prices
[21:12] <mattbrejza> but who cares when youre not paying
[21:12] <craag> Easily enough for one person to hold onto (although depending on your payload size, can get a bit tiring (hence sort payload first!))
[21:12] Action: Laurenceb__ is wondering what GPS is on PS-46
[21:12] <Laurenceb__> I cant get my head around how its powered without Leos special Lipos
[21:13] <Laurenceb__> unless they have some too
[21:13] <mattbrejza> how much light does it get?
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Ian_: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Balloon-nose-mark-preventer/dp/B001690GTO
[21:13] <mattbrejza> its winter down there, but its nearer the equator
[21:14] <JonnyImperial> is greasy balloons a real problem? What happens?
[21:14] <JonnyImperial> or am I really missing the joke
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> JonnyImperial: Latex is degraded by skin oils
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> this may cause early burst
[21:15] <JonnyImperial> oohhhh
[21:15] <eroomde> craag: i think she's appeasing rather than apraising
[21:15] <JonnyImperial> thanks, that is probably important
[21:15] <Laurenceb__> I'm wondering if they are doing anything interesting
[21:15] <eroomde> unless she's a'praisin like someone from alabama
[21:15] <Laurenceb__> like supercaps or sirf with tricklepower
[21:15] <craag> :D
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: passive solar harvesting is probably quite good enough for daytime
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:16] <Laurenceb__> sure, but PS-46 is running all night
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> doh
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[21:17] <craag> JonnyImperial: Here's some more photos of us filling a small balloon: https://www.flickr.com/photos/104821768@N06/sets/72157651392083656
[21:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Is PS-46 HF radio?
[21:17] <Laurenceb__> only seems to Tx hourly, I wonder if its sirf tricklepower + supercap for the tx
[21:17] <Laurenceb__> yes
[21:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
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[21:18] <JonnyImperial> craag: ah yes that makes sense
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[21:18] <craag> JonnyImperial: And more with a bigger one at the bottom of: https://www.flickr.com/photos/104821768@N06/sets/72157643796258384
[21:19] <craag> ignore Ben holding it with no gloves..
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:19] <craag> but he's like a hab pro, so doesn't need them obviously :P
[21:19] <JonnyImperial> hahaha
[21:20] <JonnyImperial> did you guys use the slip block thing in the ukhas guide?
[21:21] <craag> No never had to do 2-line
[21:21] <craag> Even with that launch we just about managed it traditionally lol
[21:21] <JonnyImperial> yeah that is a huge string
[21:23] <craag> Yeah we had some new cameras for that one I think so wanted to space them out from the gps trackers
[21:24] <craag> The main problem was the wind that day
[21:24] <craag> https://www.flickr.com/photos/104821768@N06/13778770593/in/album-72157643796258384/
[21:25] <craag> balloon nearly hit the ground on a couple of occasions while we were waiting for a break
[21:25] <craag> When launched, at a run, the bottom payload missed that low building by a few feet :P
[21:25] <craag> THere's a video somewhere...
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhhhhhh
[21:25] <craag> yo Lunar_Lander :)
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:27] <RocketBoy> JonnyImperial: slip block launch in action; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAnLxRvNNc&t=14s
[21:27] <JonnyImperial> ooh video would be good
[21:31] <craag> JonnyImperial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhoZ4Gx_IOc
[21:34] <JonnyImperial> why is there an egg?
[21:34] <mattbrejza> science!
[21:34] <craag> The school we were helping out got their's away a bit easier: https://youtu.be/o6XlfyHrzjk?t=358
[21:34] <JonnyImperial> was there an egg icicle when it landed?
[21:35] <craag> you can see/hear the egg crackng in the video
[21:35] <craag> (at altitude)
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[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> there it was
[21:36] <JonnyImperial> it's cool that it cracked up there, I'm surprised it lasted that long actually
[21:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TROUPYSCAR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TROUPYSCAR_chase
[21:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TROUPYS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TROUPYS_chase
[21:38] <JonnyImperial> do launch announcements have to be approved? I think I posted one but it I can't see it in the google groups thing
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[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> came in quite fast in the end
[21:40] <craag> JonnyImperial: Yeah, gets approved by the mailing list admin, can take a little while.
[21:40] <craag> Lunar_Lander: parachute tangled with balloon :/
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> what made me wonder is what do the people like think if that happens in ones garden
[21:40] <mattbrejza> the launch email has got through
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> when a HAB or metsonde comes down unexpectedly
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[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> yay was the school team on site before the landing?
[21:45] <craag> I wasn't with the school team for that one.
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:45] <craag> We went after our balloon (with the egg)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:45] <mattbrejza> i didnt
[21:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> it's time to get F2 going
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> soon (tm)
[21:47] <craag> Ah yes
[21:47] <craag> Twas a fun one, watching the descent and thinking "Yeah we've got another 20 minutes or so, it'll slow down.."
[21:47] <craag> "Oh.. to the cars!"
[21:48] Action: craag left his tablet on the car roof in the rush :/
[21:48] <craag> RIP.
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> damn
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[21:55] <JonnyImperial> is it ok to duct tape over a gps receiver?
[21:55] <JonnyImperial> or should it be exposed
[21:55] <JonnyImperial> and how important is it that the walls of the payload are airtight?
[21:56] <craag> duct tape over the antenna should be fine (as long as it isn't metallic)
[21:57] <mfa298> totally airtight probably isn't good, you'll want the inside pressure to equalise with the outside otherwise you may not have a payload box left
[21:57] <Babs_> leave a small airhole - in extremis the payload might explode up there, while a small hole won't cause you any issues with temperature
[21:57] <mfa298> but then you're unlikely to be totally airtight
[21:57] <JonnyImperial> ok thanks
[21:58] <craag> If you've got the antenna sticking out the bottom - then there's your small hole.
[21:58] <mfa298> the aim is to keep your payload together and keep the wind away from the electronics so you don't cool them too much
[21:58] <JonnyImperial> right ok
[21:59] <craag> I usually tape over the box/lid seam to help keep wind out, but anything around best-effort is fine really - especially with the newer NTX2B transmitters that don't drift nearly as much with temperature changes.
[21:59] <craag> Got some photos of your payload?
[22:00] <JonnyImperial> um yeah I'll upload them
[22:00] <craag> Cool :)
[22:01] <craag> Partially out of interest, but also gives us a chance to point out now if anything is obviously wrong ;)
[22:03] <JonnyImperial> https://bluemiximp1.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/10477714_1003266909684469_1785028584_n.jpg
[22:03] <JonnyImperial> antennas: https://bluemiximp1.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/11651309_1003266903017803_160438603_n.jpg
[22:03] <JonnyImperial> it's masking tape atm but we'll secure them better tomorrow
[22:04] <craag> Looks good!
[22:04] <craag> Remember the gps antenna goes the other way up :P
[22:04] <adamgreig> don't forget a nice big (ideally laminated/selotaped) sign with your name, contact details, etc too
[22:05] <mfa298> pink gaffa is the tape of choice for hab
[22:05] <JonnyImperial> oh the white bit faces downwards?
[22:05] <JonnyImperial> haha thanks I didn't realise
[22:05] <craag> JonnyImperial: Yes :) rounded side upwards.
[22:05] <JonnyImperial> adamgreig: ah yeah that's a good one
[22:05] <JonnyImperial> ok contact details
[22:07] <mfa298> and potentially something as a thankyou if it lands on someones private land (bottle of wine or similar) can be useful - or provides the celebration drink if you don't need it
[22:07] <craag> Do get that gps antenna the right way up - they don't work well upside down at all!
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[22:08] <JonnyImperial> ok I'll pick up some wine haha
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[22:08] <JonnyImperial> I'm wondering if that's why we've had dodgy gps signal this whole time as well
[22:08] <craag> most likely ;)
[22:08] <JonnyImperial> haha
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:10] <craag> FYI JonnyImperial if you tweet with '#ukhas', they automatically get posted in here.
[22:10] <daveake> There's a magnet under the white bit, so it can be fixed to a car roof for example
[22:10] <craag> Can be an easy way to keep us updated tomorrow :)
[22:11] <craag> (but please have someone on irc too...)
[22:11] <daveake> and is also a hint as to which way up it goes :)
[22:13] <JonnyImperial> craag: ah ok I may set up the IBM software to do that, but software has a habit of spamming tweets so I'll try to keep it spaced out
[22:13] <JonnyImperial> daveake: haha yeah it does make sense that way
[22:13] <craag> Err, no, not really designed to be used for that!
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[22:15] <craag> Good luck tomorrow, and good night!
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[22:21] <JonnyImperial> yes thanks again for the help!
[22:21] <JonnyImperial> we'll definitely need it
[22:22] <Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Knoxville
[22:23] <Laurenceb__> Knoxville revealed that he comes from significant inbreeding
[22:23] <Laurenceb__> why do i detect trolling
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[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> good ngiht
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> night
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[22:31] <mfa298> JonnyImperial: other bit of advice is to upload as much data as possible before,during and after the flight. It helps keep people here happier knowing your trying to track it yourself and not just relying on others. One the launch site is particularly useful as it helps everyone else know what's happening
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