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[02:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
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[03:11] <DL7AD> hi
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[03:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: morning!
[03:46] <Reb-SM3ULC> elary launch!
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[03:48] <DL7AD> hi Reb-SM3ULC
[03:48] <DL7AD> yeah launched because we wanted to catch the sunrise
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[03:52] <DL7AD> doh..... the aprs transmitter isnt transmitting anymore
[03:52] <DL7AD> its completely gon
[03:53] <DL7AD> gone
[04:25] <DL7AD> l
[04:27] <x-f_> sorry to hear that
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX7 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX7
[05:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
[05:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
[05:07] <M0JCU> VORTEX setting up for a lanch at about 09:00z
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[05:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX5 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX5
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[05:41] <DL7AD> good morning
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[06:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BC04S after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BC04S
[06:40] <SA6BSS> poof :)
[06:43] <DL7AD> SA6BSS: we are on our way
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[07:00] <Reb-SM3ULC> DL7AD: no chase-car apps? ;)
[07:03] <DL7AD> Reb-SM3ULC: no
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[07:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> If someone wants a better look at Esrange (Vortex launch site), http://kartor.eniro.se/?q=esrange
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[08:04] <oh2buf> Any sign about VORTEX-1,5,7 ?
[08:06] <M0JCU> Just about to turn on
[08:06] <M0JCU> Winds currently look marginal
[08:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB1FDE after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1FDE
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[08:21] <M0JCU> oh2buf, are you planning to listen?
[08:23] <oh2buf> depends if wind bring balloon toward south
[08:24] <M0JCU> How far do you need :)
[08:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB1YTM-11 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1YTM-11
[08:27] <oh2buf> My qth is T south cost of finland
[08:27] <M0JCU> I think that is probably optimistic.
[08:28] <M0JCU> The balloon will head slightly north but the range should be good at 34 km altitude
[08:28] <M0JCU> OH8FTF has a very good chance of hearing it
[08:29] <M0JCU> and OH6GKW if he's still listening
[08:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> M0JCU: my efforts to activate some of the northen HAMs doesn't seem to have worked
[08:32] <M0JCU> Never mind. Thanks for trying.
[08:32] <M0JCU> I guess you don't get many flights up here
[08:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX7
[08:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> M0JCU: not that many no...
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[08:44] <M0JCU> We have a couple from Finland.
[08:44] <M0JCU> Thanks, by the way!
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[08:57] <M0JCU> VORTEX flight is scrubbed for the time-being due to high winds. We will probably try again this evening
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[08:59] <M0JCU> Sorry.
[09:07] <oh2buf> QSL
[09:08] <M0JCU> I'll let you all know as soon as we have agreed a new launch time
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[09:13] <M0JCU> New launch time for VORTEX is 16:00z
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[10:07] <fsphil> hey some nice images this-morning on the SSDV page
[10:07] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-06-21--03-26-33-DL4MDW-2829.jpeg
[10:13] <daveake> Si spy pi cam
[10:13] <daveake> ^ I
[10:14] <fsphil> yea, and the glitch
[10:15] <daveake> oh yeah
[10:15] <daveake> there's a fix for that iirc
[10:15] <fsphil> I've never seen it myself
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[10:16] <daveake> It was something introduced last year
[10:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SAMTEST after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAMTEST
[10:16] <daveake> If you're using older s/w / f/w you might be OK
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[10:17] <AndroUser> Hi
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[10:18] <dl7ad> Hi
[10:18] <dl7ad> We found the bslloon
[10:19] <dl7ad> But we were unable to retrieve it
[10:19] <dl7ad> So far
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[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AIRCOR-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AIRCOR-1
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[11:39] <Aernout> hi, can someone approve a flight with flight doc 81afafe1eb831f6b599f425cf3e18acc? Many thanks
[11:41] <SA6BSS> paste thar nr on habhub channel
[11:45] <Aernout> response of #habhub: <SpacenearUS> Flight GKC Flight 3 (8acc, not approved, 1 payload). Is it approved now?
[11:46] <Aernout> sorry, see response now
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[12:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
[12:09] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[12:09] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[12:27] <fox123> hallo all, please how frequency and mode HB9HFJ-11
[12:30] <SA6BSS> its a aprs tx 144.8
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[12:34] <Geoff-G8-> If the callsign has -nn after it it meansits using APRS and the local Packet Frequency normlly 144.8 in Europe.
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[12:39] <fox123> OK TNX 73
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[12:40] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[12:45] <SpeedEvil> Hello
[12:45] <krish> the 865mhz frequency device state that of range 4km only. soo how does i can use it for tracking.
[12:46] <krish> my mind is blowing..... pls help me by providing information regarding TRACKING
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> 'device' ?
[12:47] <krish> 865-867 MHz, 2.4-2.4835 GHz, 5.150-5.350 GHz, 5.725 - 5875, 5.825 to 5.875 GHz,
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> where do you live?
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> And do you mean that the manual of the device specifies a certain range?
[12:48] <krish> 26.957-27.283 MHz, 335.7125, 335.7375,335.7625, 335.7875, 335.8125 and 335.8375MHz
[12:49] <krish> these frequency ism bands are licence free in INDIA.
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> The typical range of 10mW/433MHz modules is quoted as often 50-100m.
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> We get >500km, because of line-of-sight and better receivers
[12:50] <krish> soo among them , which ism band frequency is preferable for ham tracking
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> It somewhat depends on where your recevier is.
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> If you're in a large urban centre, there may be lots of transmissions from door alarms at ~335MHz
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> If you have a large hill in the area, you can use that to test range.
[12:52] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[12:52] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[12:57] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[12:57] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[12:57] <krish> speedEvil: okey ur suggesting 335mhz frequency
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[13:43] <Laurenceb__> PS-46 still going
[13:44] <Laurenceb__> wonder if it can make it twice around
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[14:35] <SpeedEvil> What is its construction?
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[14:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M6RTU_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M6RTU_chase
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[14:54] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: regular party balloon
[14:55] <M0JCU> VORTEX launch planned in about 1:15
[14:56] <Laurenceb__> very impressive for a qualatex envelope
[14:56] <Laurenceb__> I wonder if they removed the alu and used H2
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[15:12] <M0JCU> VORTEX balloon inflation started. About 30 minnutes to launch
[15:27] <M0JCU> VORTEX about to launch
[15:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> away :)
[15:43] <M0JCU> Thanks Reb-SM3ULC
[15:43] <M0JCU> Let's hope that OH8FTF and OH6GKW haven't got bored and given up
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[16:05] <TXJ> Hi, anyone around?
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[16:06] <TXJ> Hello
[16:06] <mfa298> Hello TXJ
[16:07] <TXJ> Hey there. DO you know if there are any launches planned over the next few days or so?
[16:08] <mfa298> that may depend on where you are in the world. One has just recently been launched
[16:08] <mfa298> but I think thats Finland or somewhere in that direction
[16:08] <TXJ> I'm in southern england
[16:08] <M0JCU> It was launched in Sweden but it may pass briefly into Finland
[16:09] <M0JCU> Not much chance of receiving from south of England unless you use globaltuners
[16:09] <mfa298> I'm not aware of any in England today but they don't always have much notice
[16:09] <TXJ> I thought there used to be a list of planned launches on the wiki
[16:09] <mfa298> there were a couple of launches earlier in the week in southern england
[16:09] Nick change: M0JSN -> jonsowman
[16:10] <mfa298> the mailing list is good for announcments https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhasnet
[16:10] <mfa298> ah not that one. you want https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[16:11] <TXJ> Ah yes, I think that's what I remember.
[16:12] <TXJ> Thanks I'll keep an eye on it.
[16:13] <TXJ> Is that the place people generally make the launch announcements?
[16:14] <mfa298> usually, unless they decide to launch something last minute in which case it may only appear here
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[16:39] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[16:39] <Laurenceb__> http://www.polyplus.com/liair.html
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[17:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PYSY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSY
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[17:37] <M0JCU> Another listener on Vortex5! Thanks OH8FTF
[17:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
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[18:25] <jet> Hello, I was wondering if anybody could advise me as to how Diamond antennas are set up?
[18:26] <jet> I am looking to buy a Diamond X50, but I don't want to mount it on the roof, I want to mount it on some sort of (relatively) portable mount such as a tripod?
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[18:28] <jet> (either x50 or x30)
[18:29] <daveake> http://www.diamondantenna.net/pdfdocs/X50A%20Instructions.pdf
[18:31] <gb73d> nice ant
[18:32] <daveake> For a tripod, check out http://www.moonraker.eu/poles-and-telescopic-masts/tripod-masts
[18:32] <daveake> or try ebay for "loudspeaker stands"
[18:32] <M0JCU> Vortex 5 will be leaving the party in the next few minutes
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[18:37] <jet> I actually have some decent tripods at home
[18:37] <jet> For holding up photographic cotton sheets
[18:37] <jet> But I have no clue how I would mount the x50 or x30 to a tripod.
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[18:39] <SA6BSS> the pdf daveake gave you will give you a good ide
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[18:40] <jet> I understand. but does the antenna come with these 'mast brackets'?
[18:40] <Reb-SM3ULC> jet: a piece of metal that fits in the tripod jacket and nut for the tripod-screw, then just some normal fittings from the antenna?
[18:40] <jet> Do you just clamp (bracket) the antenna onto a tripod pole and then connect the wire to a the sdr dongle?
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> just now http://s.gullipics.com/image/z/d/5/5yv7ll-ltsk11-k5yh/IMG1974.jpeg
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:44] <SA6BSS> jet: I have my x300 down at the moment, I post a close up on the mounting in a couple of minutes
[18:44] <jet> ok thanks
[18:45] <SA6BSS> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/IMG20150621204244.jpg
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[18:45] <jet> so the antenna comes with these mounts that you put on the tripod?
[18:46] <jet> and it doesn't require any external power to it? I can just connect it to the SDR dongle (with the appropriate connector)
[18:47] <SA6BSS> yes, my antenna is fitted with a n-connector, if you buy one make sure it have the n and not pl259 connector
[18:47] <SA6BSS> just coax from antenna to you radio/sdr
[18:47] <jet> I see. so it would be the x50n (as opposed to the x50a)
[18:49] <daveake> jet yes the antenna should come with the bracket
[18:49] <daveake> Otherwise any DIY store will have brackets for fixing a TV antenna to a mast
[18:50] <daveake> Antennae don't need power. You just need a coax lead and an adapter to get to an SMA or whatever is on your SDR.
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[18:50] <daveake> If the lead is more than a couple of metres use something low-loss
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[18:53] <jet> Ok thanks! Btw is it worth going for the more expensive x50 as opposed to the x30? x50 has a little more gain but I hear it is better for ham?
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[18:53] <daveake> no
[18:54] <daveake> Main thing is to get it high, and you're not going to do that with a tripod
[18:54] <eroomde> unless it's a really big tripod
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[18:55] <daveake> I'm kinda guessing that his photographic tripod doesn't count as really big :)
[18:56] <jet> It's not a photographic tripod - I'll be using that to film the launch!
[18:56] <jet> I'm guessing that any good antenna like the x30 or x50 is miles better than the one supplied with the sdr dongle stuck on a car body?
[18:56] <SA6BSS> tripod is great working mobile from a hill top
[18:57] <jet> I occasionally get decent signals with the small 433mhz antenna stuck on top of the car
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> well
[18:57] <jet> but I'm guessing anything like the x50 will be miles better?
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> that moment you see you mixed up the + and - inputs of the opamp
[18:58] <SA6BSS> it will make a noticeably difference using a larger anrtenna
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[18:59] <jet> ok
[19:00] <jet> The useless SDR antenna picks up next to nothing (HAB signals that is, it picks up radio stations) when it's not on a metal surface
[19:00] <daveake> An SDR antenna will be very poor for 434
[19:00] <jet> I actually bought a 433 antenna for about 6 quid which I intend to use for mobile tracking
[19:01] <jet> It's about the length from your elbow to your wrist.
[19:01] <daveake> I opened up an alleged 434Mhz cheap Chinese antenna
[19:02] <daveake> It was probably tuned to about 2.4GHz; certainly nowhere near 434
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[19:03] <eroomde> i love that it's 8pm but feels like 4.30 in the afternoon
[19:03] <jet> well the "434" i bought picks up pretty much any radio signal lol, walkie talkies the lot
[19:03] <eroomde> suymmer is good
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[19:05] <SA6BSS> a couple of hours ago it switched over and is now getting darker every day from now on
[19:05] <SA6BSS> looks like floot on vortex 7
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[19:05] <SA6BSS> poof
[19:06] <SA6BSS> 181m/s down gahh
[19:06] <Reb-SM3ULC> :)
[19:06] <M0JCU> No parachute :)
[19:07] <M0JCU> Icon is wrong (rofl)
[19:07] <SA6BSS> not much air to break the speed
[19:09] <SA6BSS> M0JCU: where all payloads on same balloon?
[19:09] <SA6BSS> released by remote or preprogramed alts?
[19:09] <M0JCU> Yes. Only one left - which should exceed Mach 1 on the way down
[19:09] <M0JCU> mixture
[19:09] <SA6BSS> ok
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[19:12] <M0JCU> Vortex 7 instrument module now has a parachute
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[19:18] <Reb-SM3ULC> lost tracking?
[19:18] <SA6BSS> just updates
[19:19] <SA6BSS> hovering nicely @ 35500m
[19:25] <Reb-SM3ULC> poff?
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[19:56] <imperial> Hi, I'm an imperial student hoping to launch a balloon next wednesday with IBM
[19:56] <imperial> habhub is really cool, is there any way to access the database that stores all the telemetry?
[19:57] <imperial> we need to forward information to our website live for launch, but I'm afraid of losing track of our FSK RTTY signal
[19:58] <jcoxon> habhub has a api which you can access
[19:58] <jcoxon> but you can embed the tracker as well to make it much easier
[19:58] <imperial> ah yeah the map
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes visit the http://habitat.habhub.org/ you need to put in a Payload and Flight document and after testing get the flight doc approved
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> afterwards you can download the data from the Export Payload Telemetry pages
[19:59] <daveake> He said "live"
[19:59] <imperial> I think we're embedding it already, but our project also has a website that needs the altitude and temperature values live
[19:59] <imperial> could the api access that info?
[19:59] <daveake> What I do is read the logtail
[19:59] <daveake> But for the API best to /join #habhub and ask the experts
[19:59] <mattbrejza> you can periodically poll the couch datavase
[20:00] <imperial> ah that would be good
[20:00] <daveake> Yes, I just don't know how :/
[20:00] <imperial> I'm guessing you're dave akerman pi in the sky guy right?
[20:00] <imperial> we're using your pi board
[20:00] <imperial> it's awesome, thanks for designing it
[20:00] <daveake> Ah yes someone here linked me to your project page last week
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There is also http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/ which plots live
[20:01] <imperial> man that's cool
[20:01] <daveake> mattbrejza I'm going to re-do my chase car soon and I'll look into doing it properly via couch then
[20:01] <mattbrejza> :)
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[20:02] <imperial> we're beginners at this so this might be a silly question, but is creating a dipole antenna from the coax cable in the pi in the sky kit good enough for putting on the payload?
[20:03] <imperial> one of our members stripped the shielding and just faced it 180 degrees from the core
[20:03] <daveake> Just do a 1/4 wave as per the instructions
[20:03] <daveake> and yes that's plenty good enough
[20:03] <imperial> ty
[20:03] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[20:03] <imperial> would it be the same for the rfm98 lora boards?
[20:04] <daveake> The 434 ones yes ... it's the frequency that matters
[20:05] <imperial> I can't believe I haven't seen that antenna tutorial on ukhas
[20:05] <imperial> it's not in the top google results for antenna high altitude balloon I guess
[20:05] <imperial> ty
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Don't use a dipole if its horizontal then you will get fading from the payload spinning, if its vertical then best radiation is at the horizon rather than downwards
[20:06] <imperial> oh right
[20:07] <imperial> also do any of you have experience with lcd screens at high altitude?
[20:07] <imperial> I'm worried it'll die from the cold or be unreadable from glare
[20:07] <mattbrejza> well glare doesnt change with altitude
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[20:14] <imperial> have any of you put a screen up there? do you think we'd need to put like cardboard around the screen to stop the sun reflecting?
[20:14] <imperial> sorry for all the questions, but also do any of you know how lenient the CAA are?
[20:15] <imperial> I think you have to give 72 hours notice, but we'll probably only get in contact on monday morning
[20:15] <daveake> LCD will stop working when cold; OLED is a much better option
[20:16] <daveake> 72 hours is for existing sites
[20:16] <daveake> For a new site it's officially 28 days but in practice rather less
[20:16] <imperial> I did order an OLED screen through our school stores but they lost the order or something and we don't have enough time unfortunately
[20:16] <imperial> yeah we're launching from churchill college in cambridge hopefully
[20:16] <daveake> LCD will soon be CD
[20:16] <imperial> oh that makes sense haha
[20:17] <mattbrejza> could always heat it
[20:17] <daveake> Someone else did an OLED - http://fab4space.com/?lang=en
[20:17] <mattbrejza> or mount the pi on the back lol
[20:17] <daveake> hah
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[20:17] <mfa298> imperial: have you been in touch with CUSF if you're using their site - it maybe that they have to do any requests (depends on what the state of their approval is)
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[20:18] <imperial> yes our IBM supervisor Jon McNamara talk with Adam (I think) from cambridge
[20:19] <imperial> but I'm hoping the 72 hours thing isn't set in stone because our presentation is on thursday so we don't have much wiggle room
[20:19] <imperial> we kept realising that we hadn't gotten stuff like helium, antennas done properly
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Have you annouced it yet ? Othewise who will know to track it ?
[20:21] <imperial> how do you announce?
[20:21] <mattbrejza> lol thats not normally an issue
[20:21] <imperial> is it the payload config thing on habhub?
[20:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> On the mailing list and br registering the Flight Doc
[20:21] <mfa298> possibly more importantly do you have a working payload for people to receive
[20:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[20:22] <imperial> ty geoff
[20:22] <imperial> yeah our pi in the sky is sending telemetry correctly
[20:23] <imperial> (I hope), it's coming through dlfldigi ok
[20:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> you have seen it plotted on the map then ?
[20:23] <mfa298> has it appeared on the map (assuming you have a payload doc, and dl-fldigi in online mode)
[20:24] <imperial> I haven't done the payload doc yet
[20:24] <imperial> I think I'll do it this evening though
[20:24] <Geoff-G8DHE_> rather essential item to get right...
[20:25] <daveake> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
[20:25] <daveake> ^ read and do that
[20:27] <imperial> ok will do
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[20:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Anybody else having notwork problems tonight ?
[20:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> especially Plusnet ?
[20:35] <imperial> I think one of my teammates changed the length of the floats in our telemetry to only 3 decimal places to reduce the string length, will that be a problem in the payload config?
[20:36] <daveake> plusnet fine here
[20:36] <daveake> no that doesn't affect the payload doc
[20:36] <imperial> ok ty
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[21:12] <SpeedEvil> plusnet fine here
[21:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IMPIBM - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IMPIBM
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[21:22] <Vaizki> imperial, you can also reduce string length by sending numbers without decimal points and setting the scale parameters on habhub payload docs.. like 54123 -> 54.123 but it's maybe a bit extreme optimization ;)
[21:26] <imperial> awesome thanks for your help guys
[21:26] <imperial> I got it to appear on the tracker
[21:27] <imperial> quick question, where is the best place to put the gps antenna?
[21:27] <imperial> on top of the box or below or strapped to the side?
[21:27] <daveake> underneath
[21:27] <daveake> oh sorry
[21:28] <daveake> on top
[21:28] <daveake> I missed "gps" :/
[21:28] <imperial> cool, thanks
[21:28] <imperial> haha nw
[21:28] <daveake> Do you have everything you ned for the flight?
[21:28] <daveake> Gas? Filler assembly? Duct tape and cable ties?
[21:29] <daveake> String? Parachute? Balloon? :p
[21:29] <imperial> IBM bought us this balloon: http://sentintospace.com/products-page/complete-kit/launch-advanced/#ad-image-0
[21:29] <daveake> Chase car with radio/laptop/3G/aerial
[21:29] <imperial> We have helium somewhere I think
[21:29] <imperial> what is a filler assembly?
[21:30] <craag> lose the radar reflector
[21:30] <imperial> ok
[21:30] <daveake> Well the helium needs to get from the cylinder into the balloon
[21:30] <craag> not needed, and can confuse atc.
[21:31] <imperial> yeah we weren't sure what that reflector does
[21:31] <Vaizki> reflects radat
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[21:31] <imperial> so ok we'll leave it out
[21:31] <daveake> and when I say "the helium" I really mean "the right amount of helium"
[21:31] <Vaizki> makes you a big blip on radar
[21:31] <imperial> the kit came with a tube
[21:31] <imperial> I don't think that counts as a filler assembly though
[21:31] <daveake> no it doesn't
[21:31] <imperial> Ah there's my teammate jake
[21:31] <daveake> !wiki filler assembly
[21:31] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: No results for your query
[21:31] <daveake> grrr
[21:32] <mfa298> I bet a visit to randomengineering and your local hardware store would be a lot cheaper than that sent into space kit
[21:32] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:fill_tube
[21:32] <imperial> Jake do you know if we have a filler assembly?
[21:32] <daveake> ^^ make one
[21:32] <imperial> man these guides all existed
[21:32] <JakeImperial> Hi Dave, I'm Jake - a colleague of Jonny <imperial>
[21:33] <daveake> yes, and they are linked to in http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[21:33] <daveake> which is well worth a read anyway if I do say so myself
[21:33] <craag> +1 ^^
[21:33] <JakeImperial> We don't have a filler assembly, although our helium supplier asked about the kind of regulator. I describe what we had and he said he would try his best.
[21:34] <craag> When are you launching?
[21:34] <imperial> I think I read that at the start and forgot/didn't understand most of it, I'll definitely read it again now that we've built stuff
[21:34] <imperial> *hopefully* next wednesday from cambridge
[21:35] <daveake> "next" meaning 3 or 10 days from now ?
[21:35] <imperial> but we're at the mercy of the CAA and the guys in cambridge (although they seem like nice guys from our convos with them so far)
[21:35] <craag> Ah ok, so you've still got a good bit of time to sort this out.
[21:35] <imperial> 3 days
[21:35] <daveake> oh
[21:35] <craag> oh
[21:35] <imperial> yikes
[21:36] <jcoxon> daveake, where was that 7 hab sins page again...
[21:36] <craag> Right... when are you getting hold of the He cylinder?
[21:36] <craag> You then need to work out how to go cylinder -> hose -> fill tube.
[21:36] <imperial> LOL yeah we have committed that sin...
[21:36] <JakeImperial> We already have the cylinders supplied on campus.
[21:37] <daveake> *imperial make sure you don't do *any* of these https://ukhas.org.uk/general:seven_sins
[21:37] <JakeImperial> Although I haven't seen them so cannot tell you the regulator type, I assume it a typical/suitable one.
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[21:37] <Upu> heh
[21:37] <JakeImperial> I'm afraid due to the nature of our group/time constraints we have already commited a few sins..
[21:38] <Upu> sorry if people are seeming a little negative but we see this so much
[21:38] <Upu> its frustrating
[21:38] <imperial> hahaha nw it's our fault
[21:39] <imperial> thanks for the help again
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[21:40] <craag> Try assembling stuff for a 'dry launch' tomorrow so you can work out what doesn't fit, and what you haven't got.
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[21:41] <mattbrejza> whos the He supplier?
[21:41] <imperial> ah yeah that's a good idea
[21:41] <daveake> I helped out at someone's first launch last summer. I took everything needed for a launch just in case they forgot anything. Had to use quote a lot of my kit :(
[21:41] <imperial> BOC I think
[21:41] <mattbrejza> ah ok
[21:42] <JakeImperial> Yes, BOC (on campus)
[21:42] <imperial> do you guys know of an OLED screen that can connect to the raspberry pi through i2c?
[21:43] <daveake> You know that bit in Apollo 13 where they have to make the square filters fit a round hole? Well a filler assembly is a bit like that; try not to leave the design and assembly till the launch day :)
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> imperial: there are quite a few
[21:43] <imperial> I think the spi ports are being used up by the rfm98 modules
[21:43] <daveake> 3 days to go - forget OLED just make everything else work
[21:43] <imperial> haha yeah that sounds sensible
[21:44] <Vaizki> ok I have to ask.. why don't we encase the gopros? the casing lens mists up?
[21:44] <Vaizki> (reading the sins)
[21:44] <JakeImperial> We already have the LCD working, so can use that to demonstrate the theory works and not worry about it breaking?
[21:44] <Vaizki> you guys are still doing hardware revisions for a wednesday launch?
[21:45] <imperial> I was thinking of changing out the screen but I think we'll forget about it
[21:45] <JakeImperial> Yes. There are two of us, having made the whole payload in a week, it's a bit hectic. Short time and poor planning.
[21:45] <Vaizki> :D
[21:45] <craag> Vaizki: The moisture boils at low pressure, and then condenses on the coldest part of the case (often the inside of the lens).
[21:45] <daveake> It takes 10 seconds with Google to find out if LCDs work at -40 or so (hint: they don't)
[21:45] <Vaizki> craag: right
[21:45] <imperial> yeah we did realise the lcd problem pretty quick from the datasheet
[21:46] <imperial> but our school stores order never went through to maplin for that adafruit oled
[21:46] <imperial> but I have no right to complain we did plan poorly
[21:46] <craag> Vaizki: Also boils out of the gopro demister strips, so those seem to in fact worsen the situation.
[21:47] <daveake> We do get to see a depressingly high percentage of fail here, which is why we're all keen to try and stop you making the usual mistakes
[21:47] <daveake> or new pnes we've not seen before :)
[21:47] <imperial> It is such a cool hobby
[21:48] <mfa298> maplin for buying stuff for Uni, surely you want RS or Onecall
[21:48] <imperial> but anything this cool must have lots of failure possibilities
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[21:48] <imperial> I did check RS at one point
[21:49] <imperial> I think they were all spi
[21:49] <imperial> and one of our boards uses all the ports on the pi
[21:49] <daveake> HAB does have many failure modes
[21:49] <daveake> which ofc we try to reduce down to near zero
[21:50] <daveake> failures do happen to everyone but it's sad to see the obvious ones repeated again and again
[21:50] <imperial> I can imagine yeah
[21:51] <daveake> A flight a few days ago managed 5 separate ones, impressively
[21:52] <imperial> haha could you elaborate? We're probably about to step into those holes
[21:52] <mfa298> and that's only one of the flights that seemed to have some issues
[21:53] <daveake> no receive/upload at launch site; no receive in chase car; poor signal from tracker; one tracker stopped (iirc)
[21:53] <daveake> other one was probably flight mode; I forget
[21:53] <JakeImperial> flight mode meaning? Not telling the GPS module to be in flight mode?
[21:53] <daveake> Oh, and no announcement from the launch site of launch time/ frequencies
[21:53] <Vaizki> I have been hanging around here a few months and I've seen all fails already documented on the wiki repeated at least once...
[21:53] <daveake> yes, that
[21:54] <Vaizki> floating point number string conversions etc
[21:54] <imperial> reading the sins - do people usually use heating pads?
[21:54] <Vaizki> no because they don't work
[21:55] <daveake> Usually Americans :)
[21:55] <imperial> hahaha
[21:55] <daveake> Because they don't already have 10W of heating power in their payloads
[21:56] <imperial> is the usual way of tracking to have a laptop running dl-fldigi in a chase car?
[21:56] <mfa298> one of the flights in the last week looked to spend a lot of time in the pub post launch (presumably celebrating a successful launch) rather than chasing so were a long way out when it came down. It also had limited altitude data so it wasn't easy to determine where it was going to land.
[21:56] <imperial> could you potentially stay at the launch site? or is the range too small
[21:57] <craag> imperial: laptop in the chase car with 3g (either tether or mifi) is the most common
[21:57] <imperial> ok cheers
[21:57] <Vaizki> and magmount antenna for the radio, on the roof
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[21:57] <mfa298> only in very rare circumstances (landing zone is close to launch zone)
[21:57] <craag> you want a receiver in the chasecar to recover with
[21:57] <daveake> and generally you should be somewhere near the expected landing spot by the time the burst happens
[21:57] <daveake> but read my article linked to above for chase strategy
[21:58] <mfa298> when the flight is low the receiving range is fairly low. Wednesdays flight I received from 33km after it landed, but that was because the payload landed in a tall tree and I'm a good distance above ground level on a hill - normally a couple of km is good after it's landed
[21:58] <daveake> A common fail is to assume that the receiver network will do your work for you, and to make that less likely by not being on IRC at the launch site
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[22:00] <daveake> Ideally, you'll be close enough to the landing position to get the last in-the-air reading at say 200m above the ground. That then gives you a very good idea of where it lands, after which you can get near that position, receive the telemetry again, and bob's your uncle
[22:00] <mfa298> I seriously wonder if either of the launches in the last week would have been recovered without some help from people doing more than is usual
[22:01] <daveake> If you don't get that last position, then you're relying on one of us to get something, and that won't be as low
[22:01] <imperial> ah ok so definitely chase the balloon
[22:01] <daveake> mfa298 I agree
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[22:01] <daveake> Yes absolutely definitely chase the balloon
[22:01] <daveake> with radio/aerial/laptop/3G
[22:01] <daveake> and upload the telemetry and your car position to the map
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[22:02] <daveake> and have someone in the car on IRC
[22:02] <daveake> with all the above, then we can help you a lot
[22:02] <imperial> we're using your code for the LoRa gateway, did you connect your pi to the internet?
[22:02] <imperial> ah yes being on this IRC will definitely help
[22:02] <Vaizki> eeeep
[22:02] <mfa298> mand make sure you can recharge / power laptops etc. on the go
[22:02] <daveake> yes I use a mifi in the car, and a wifi dongle in the Pi
[22:03] <daveake> Or a mobile phone as a hotspot will do
[22:03] <mfa298> (and you've done any recent windows updates - you don't want to to be watching updates when chasing
[22:03] <daveake> either way, get this set up before the launch day
[22:03] <daveake> ah eyah disable windows updates :)
[22:03] <craag> test it all out before launch day
[22:03] <daveake> been there done that :(
[22:03] <Vaizki> there's still days left, plenty of time
[22:04] <daveake> 0...........** 100^ </sarcasm_detection>
[22:04] <Vaizki> :D
[22:04] <imperial> LOL
[22:04] <JakeImperial> How can we upload the car GPS position?
[22:04] <daveake> Run an app on an Android or iPhone
[22:04] <mfa298> there are apps for android and iPhone
[22:04] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[22:05] <Vaizki> take a phone, go to tracker.habhub.org and activate car position upload from there
[22:05] <mfa298> at least two apps for android from memoet
[22:05] <Vaizki> or use an app
[22:05] <DL7AD> good evening
[22:05] <JakeImperial> Which can be setup to upload to Habhub? Is there somewhere I can find the correct configuration (URL eg), or is it fairly simple?
[22:05] <JakeImperial> Ah, thank you. My typing is slow
[22:06] <daveake> or this, which I like https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pexat.habhub.chasecartracker&hl=en_GB
[22:06] <imperial> man there's so much information on the ukhas website that we missed
[22:06] <daveake> sry wrong one
[22:06] <daveake> mattbrejza where's your Anrdoind app? :)
[22:06] <JakeImperial> Brilliant, App installed already
[22:06] <mfa298> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem&hl=en_GB
[22:07] <Vaizki> "Beautiful. A+++++ would chase HAB again"
[22:07] <Vaizki> nice review
[22:07] <daveake> imperial The ukhas wiki does need a bit of organizing
[22:07] <mfa298> ^^ thats the other one (a few lines up now)
[22:07] <daveake> That last link ^^ also does RTTY decoding
[22:07] <imperial> omg
[22:07] <JakeImperial> Yes - we did do some researching, and I am surprised we missed so much. Perhaps somehow boost presence on search engines? (no idea how..)
[22:08] <daveake> And works amazingly well ... I've decoded on a tablet mounted on the dash, listening to a radio speaker also in the dash
[22:08] <Vaizki> i guess most people google for more than 2 days? ;)
[22:08] <craag> We would do website seo... but we're too busy making/launching/chasing habs ;)
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[22:10] <daveake> craag + writing guides + complaining when people don't read them :p
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[22:11] <craag> ha
[22:11] <imperial> I think we need to get a load of zipties jake
[22:11] <daveake> scales, bottle of water, ground sheet
[22:12] <imperial> We must not be right in the head because we agreed as a group that the balloon didn't need to be sealed
[22:12] <Vaizki> latex gloves
[22:12] <mfa298> Upu patented Pink Gaffa as well
[22:12] <imperial> because helium is lighter than air
[22:12] <Vaizki> :D
[22:12] <Vaizki> dude!
[22:12] <daveake> oh dear
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[22:12] <JakeImperial> I missed that conversation..
[22:12] <imperial> ikr...
[22:12] <Vaizki> you almost made me spill my drink
[22:13] <daveake> You want the balloon to burst, right?
[22:13] <imperial> I'm pretty sure I said it on one of our podcasts too
[22:13] <JakeImperial> I have read the tutorial on the website where we sourced the baloon, sent into space, so have already considered ground sheet/gloves. (Also had read about sealing the balloon)..
[22:13] <JakeImperial> There may have been some poor communication as well!
[22:13] <imperial> yeah looking back on it makes me red in the face...
[22:13] <daveake> !wiki sealing
[22:13] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03sealing_the_balloon (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon
[22:13] <daveake> see
[22:13] <Vaizki> JakeImperial: the website wants to make it look easy so they can sell balloons, right?
[22:14] <daveake> Without being biased (I am) you'll get far far far better information here and the wiki than at sent-into-not-really-space.com
[22:14] <imperial> hahaha
[22:15] <JakeImperial> yes, I agree with you! And am happy to admit my naivety. Thank you very much
[22:15] <mfa298> so tempting to register that domain and poitn to ukhas.org.uk
[22:15] <daveake> haha
[22:16] <imperial> does this irc chat get logged somewhere?
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[22:16] <Vaizki> imperial: yes
[22:16] <imperial> I don't want to forget the stuff here
[22:16] <imperial> ah awesome
[22:16] <mfa298> imperial: for next time, balloons and parachutes can be got from http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html and I suspect are cheaper
[22:16] <JakeImperial> do you have any tips or advice on attachment? ie connecting payload/parachute/balloon?
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[22:17] <Vaizki> braided nylon string
[22:17] <Vaizki> + knots
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[22:18] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:knots
[22:18] <daveake> see, we have everything :p
[22:18] <imperial> I think you should put in massive block capitals 'THERE IS HELP IN THE IRC' on the website, I can't imagine what we would've done without this
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[22:18] <imperial> thanks again for being so helpful
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[22:19] <imperial> I'm going to take the bus home now lemme know anything else that happens here jake
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[22:20] <Vaizki> I suspect we'll get to the best part of the day soon and doze off
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[22:20] <JakeImperial> I was going to ask about lengths for the cord, but have found it in a guide. We are learning..
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[22:21] <JakeImperial> Yes, thank you all for time and contributions. We will almost certainly be here in the next couple of days to ask more questions and mine your advice!
[22:21] <Vaizki> I am also a noob here but have learned that many of the things in the guides (or advised here) don't really have a definite reason why they are so except that they seem to work.
[22:22] <Vaizki> so there is no definite science-y explanation behind everything
[22:22] <Vaizki> just emprical data backed up by expensive failures
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[22:22] <Vaizki> and of course a huge bunch of stuff with physics & math behind it :)
[22:23] <JakeImperial> good to hear. As this is also a bit of a one-shot, we are definitely keen to minimise failures (or at least as much as we can this late.)
[22:25] <Vaizki> but it's 1:23am so I am off to sleep
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[22:32] <Vaizki> oho tulee tosi matalalla kone?
[22:33] <Vaizki> tai no 2400 jalassa meni yli mutta ihmeen kova ääni
[22:33] <Vaizki> Jettime Finland OH-JTZ
[22:33] <Vaizki> kaikkea sitä
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