highaltitude.log.20150618

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[06:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX2 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX2
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[06:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS8 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS8
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[07:00] <mysterious_girl> UBSEDS plan to launch another HAB at 8:30ish from bristol. Predicted flight path is south east
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[07:16] <UpuWork> super
[07:19] <mysterious_girl> could you approve in #habhub?
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[07:20] <UpuWork> done
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[07:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX7
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[07:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Morning all
[07:32] <UpuWork> mornign Geoff-G8DHE-Lap
[07:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nope I staggered into the shack upstairs, blearey eyed ;-)
[07:35] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE
[07:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh heck some nice QRM appeared right across the channel :-(
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[07:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you turn on hy-split UpuWork for UBSEDS8 ?
[07:38] <UpuWork> !track UBSEDS8
[07:38] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS8
[07:39] <UpuWork> !hysplit add UBSEDS8
[07:39] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Added 03UBSEDS8 to defaults
[07:39] <UpuWork> !hysplit run UBSEDS8
[07:39] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[07:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> good man!
[07:39] <UpuWork> nps
[07:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> By the way what sort of last date for booking the conference do you have in mind ?
[07:39] <UpuWork> well normally they want final numbers 2 weeks before for catering
[07:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah OK that should be alright then, won't know our plans till start of AUgust it seems
[07:43] <gonzo_m> did the MARS crew manage to recover yesterdays payload?
[07:43] <UpuWork> still stuck up a tree
[07:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> waiting for forestry commision I think
[07:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/FIRESTAR_UBSEDS7_20150617/Treed.jpg
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm interesting habrotate hasn't objected today to no string ID odd....
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[07:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah new document from last nights fix so it hasn't looked up the string yet
[07:48] <help> hi everybody
[07:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning help
[07:48] Nick change: help -> Guest59451
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 0318 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[07:52] <Guest59451> I have bought a Pi in the Sky kit and the OK and Warn led never blink
[07:52] <Guest59451> does anybody have an idea what the problem might be?
[07:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake or UpuWork are the men for that!
[07:54] <UpuWork> hey Guest59451
[07:54] <mysterious_girl> ubseds8 to launch in 15 minutes
[07:54] <Guest59451> hello
[07:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK mysterious_girl!
[07:54] <UpuWork> have you installed the software as per http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=sd-card-image-from-scratch ?
[07:55] <Guest59451> yes
[07:55] <Guest59451> UpuWork: yes
[07:55] <UpuWork> do you have a picture to hand of the board as it is now ?
[07:56] <UpuWork> and are you in front of it ?
[07:56] <Guest59451> yes
[07:56] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[07:56] <UpuWork> take a quick pic and post it on imgur or something
[07:56] <Guest59451> UpuWork: ok
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[08:04] <Guest59451> UpuWork: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1vMqJhJqBb6RUh4U1EwYmZ0SXc&usp=sharing
[08:07] <fsphil> unrelated to your problem, in dl-flgidi turn SQL off (bottom right)
[08:07] <mysterious_girl> ubseds8 up!
[08:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Listening, needs to gain some height before I'll hear it ...
[08:08] <Guest59451> fsphil: thanks!
[08:10] <fsphil> where abouts is it located? indoors / near a window?
[08:10] <fsphil> the gps antenna will need a view of the sky
[08:10] <Guest59451> fsphil: currently it's inside but I have been outside yesterday and the GPS never worked
[08:11] <Guest59451> fsphil: the warn led and the ok led never blick
[08:12] <Guest59451> fsphil: and according following tutorial http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=sd-card-image-from-scratch the warn led should turn on
[08:12] <Guest59451> fsphil: asap we turn it on
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[08:16] <fsphil> yea the warn LED should definitly be flashing if no GPS lock
[08:17] <christopherlee> My understanding is if less than 4 satellites its a warning led and
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[08:18] <christopherlee> Have you ever seen gps data in what you receive?
[08:19] <Guest59451> christopherlee: nope :(
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[08:19] <Guest59451> it's always 000000
[08:20] <christopherlee> I would position by a window as best as possible to give it best chance but even with zero i would expect a warn led.
[08:20] <garymortimer> UBSEDS8 airborne
[08:21] <Guest59451> christopherlee: I will try again
[08:21] <Guest59451> christopherlee: but I agree that I would also expect the warn led...
[08:21] <infaddict> good luck garymortimer
[08:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> Guest59451: Get http://www.kvirc.net/ or similar and stick around here permanently :)
[08:21] <tweetBot> @bristolseds: Just prior to launch of UBSEDS8! #ukhas http://t.co/3BM3kxuxt5
[08:22] <christopherlee> Just knocked out my gps reception so it shows 0 satellites and red warn comes on.
[08:22] <tweetBot> @bristolseds: Liftoff! #ukhas http://t.co/0W84sPcM8Z
[08:22] <fsphil> how are you powering it Guest59451?
[08:23] <infaddict> this is a floater right? garymortimer
[08:23] <garymortimer> Looks like it
[08:23] <mysterious_girl> yeah it is
[08:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> !flight UBSEDS8
[08:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM3ULC: Flight 10(cea6): 03UBSEDS8 434.600 RTTY, CONTESTIA 32/1000 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 07:30 from 03Saint Werburgh's, Bristol, Bristol, City of Bristol, UK 10(51.47,-2.58)
[08:23] <fsphil> latex floater?
[08:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> foil by the look of it
[08:23] <garymortimer> foil
[08:23] <fsphil> ah
[08:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> pre-stretched isn't it ?
[08:25] <UpuWork> Guest59451 sorry a little busy at work atm can you pop back on this evening and i'll go through it with you thanks
[08:25] <UpuWork> try power from the battery pack not USB
[08:25] <UpuWork> sometimes the regulators are weak on the Pi's
[08:25] <UpuWork> but this mainly affected older ones
[08:25] <UpuWork> afk
[08:26] <mysterious_girl> pre-stretched to 4.5kpa says richardeon
[08:27] <Guest59451> UpuWork: ok. thanks
[08:31] <garymortimer> did the firestar folk get their kit back?
[08:31] <infaddict> garymortimer: not yesterday. working with forestry people i think.
[08:31] <garymortimer> OK will keep an eye on their twitter feed
[08:32] <infaddict> actually quite "lucky" it was up a tree otherwise mfa298 wouldn't have rx'd it
[08:32] <infaddict> and location might remain unknown
[08:33] <garymortimer> indeed
[08:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> A little stupid question, why doesn't people use RSID for RTTY?
[08:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cause RSID doesn't have a RTTY code only MFSK modes
[08:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.w1hkj.com/RSID_description.html
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I am wrong it does have some codes for it!
[08:38] <Reb-SM3ULC> I was looking at that
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> and supported by fldigi!
[08:38] <mfa298> I think you'd to pick a baud and shift that has a rsid code, so it limits you a bit
[08:39] <fsphil> yea it's only a small subset of RTTY modes
[08:39] <sq5kvs> hi!
[08:40] <fsphil> no 300 baud for example
[08:40] <mfa298> and no options for shift
[08:41] <Reb-SM3ULC> right
[08:42] <fsphil> but yes it would be nice if there was something like that
[08:42] <Reb-SM3ULC> I just thought I should have seen it on some flight that would have fit baid and shift.
[08:43] <fsphil> not all hardware can produce the tones
[08:43] <fsphil> esp. boards designed to only do rtty
[08:45] <sq5kvs> the altitude of UPSETS 8 balloon growing relatively slow, it can be long-distance balloon?
[08:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes its a floater probably 10Km height
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[08:46] <sq5kvs> nice :D
[08:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> See here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/UBSEDS8_20150618/index.php?ind=1
[08:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just on my wf
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[08:51] <mfa298> annoyingly it's not quite strong enough for me to get lots of decodes on the crappy antenna ont the window and I'm going to the office so can't really leave the better one out today :( I think I need a better antenna thatcan't be obviously seen
[08:52] <mfa298> looks like it's headed right for me though :D
[08:52] <mfa298> mattbrejza: we have incomming!
[08:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes just become LoS for me now
[08:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Should reach float above Southhampton
[08:54] <tweetBot> @bristolseds: UBSEDS8 and our floater HAB have broken 3000m! Onwards and upwards #ukhas
[08:54] <sq5kvs> Ah :( he miss Polad :/
[08:54] <sq5kvs> Poland
[08:55] <gonzo_m> LoS is an annoying tla as it also means loss of signal
[08:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed!
[08:55] <gonzo_m> i like AoS better
[08:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mmm trouble is I get AoS before LoS and always before LoS
[08:56] <fsphil> use vlos
[08:56] <fsphil> visual line of sight
[08:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> mfa298: some disguise? :)
[08:57] <christopherlee> !dial UBSEDS8
[08:57] <SpacenearUS> 03christopherlee: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS8 10(cea6): 03434.598809 MHz, 434.59874 MHz, 434.598825 MHz, 434.5981 MHz, 434.598805 MHz
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[08:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll get my velocipide
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[09:00] <Herman_> gm all
[09:00] <infaddict> i am making do with SUWS web sdr ;-)
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[09:27] <craag> infaddict: Is the websdr working for you? Not seeing any rx lines on the map..
[09:27] <infaddict> yep was getting perfect decodes 10 mins ago craag
[09:27] <infaddict> let me check again now
[09:27] <craag> :)
[09:27] <infaddict> its alternativing between contestia, beeps and RTTY
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[09:28] <infaddict> yep 434.598 on SUWS
[09:29] <infaddict> just sent a RTTY stream
[09:29] <fsphil> not a fan of that. pick a mode and stick with it :)
[09:30] <infaddict> do u see it craag?
[09:31] <mysterious_girl> you pick a mode and stick with it :)
[09:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> QRM on the SUWS
[09:32] <craag> Yeah weird qrm
[09:32] <craag> all across 2m too
[09:33] <craag> harmonic at 434 it looks like
[09:34] <craag> If it sticks around then we'll get the team on it ;)
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[09:49] <PE2BZ> !payload usbseds8
[09:49] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:50] <PE2BZ> !payload ubsseds8
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:50] <PE2BZ> !payload ubseds8
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03UBSEDS8 10(cea6) 03$$UBSEDS8 - 03RTTY every 1 minute - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/400Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:50] <PE2BZ> !dial ubseds8
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS8 10(cea6): 03434.598682 MHz, 434.598771 MHz, 434.5978 MHz, 434.736452 MHz, 434.598756 MHz, 434.59817 MHz, 434.598 MHz, 434.598768 MHz
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> run two copies of dl-fldigi one on each mode!
[09:54] <gonzo_m> typical. a flight so close, but the remote home system not online
[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> argh annoying
[09:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> just leave it all running, all the time that's what I do!
[09:55] <gonzo_m> the risk with switching modes is the fldidgi afc may drift off
[09:55] <gonzo_m> so you have to be there to nurse it along
[09:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> which SDR software do you use ?
[10:01] <gonzo_m> analogue radio aor5000 tuned on rs232
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you not use the dl-fldigi CAT controls to tune it then ?
[10:01] <gonzo_m> though i do have an sdr iq on the if as a spectrum scope
[10:02] <gonzo_m> coulddo. not lokked into it
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its why I like SDR-Radio as its also has CAT control so dl-fldigi just tunes it along as whatever drifts...
[10:02] <gonzo_m> the sigs usually stay in the audio bandwidth. but it is the fldidgi decode that can lose afc lock
[10:03] <mattbrejza> time to look for it out the window
[10:03] <gonzo_m> sdr radio has a better afc?
[10:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> If it gets outside the bandwidth yes, I usually solve it by running another copy with the bandwidth set much wider so it centers it
[10:07] <mattbrejza> nothing seen
[10:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not dropping anything on you then ?
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its going for Gosport and the Submarine Museum perhaps
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[10:09] <dbrooke> My Contestia decoding seems poor, could someone let me know the default settings for tune margin and integration period please.
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[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> 50 and 4 here
[10:10] <dbrooke> thanks, I'll try those
[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm seeing a few errors as well actually which is suprising as its rather strong !
[10:11] <dbrooke> fldigi only seems to be able to reset to defaults for the whole configuration rather than per item
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes I've noticed that :-(
[10:12] <mattbrejza> very fadey here
[10:12] <dbrooke> Ah OK, maybe it's not me then, RTTY is solid here
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> likewise
[10:12] <dbrooke> I'd have expected Contestia to be better
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> it normally is
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> might be some odd freq. error in the coding but very odd ...
[10:13] <dbrooke> though RSID is also not reliable so maybe their tones/timing is a bit off?
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> could well be
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes that frame also errored
[10:16] <richardeoin> Hey Geoff-G8DHE - the symbol timing on this board isn't being fed from the TCXO like usual
[10:16] <dbrooke> that one RSID worked but didn't decode the frame, oh well ...
[10:16] <richardeoin> Just a bad board / components I think, not entirely sure
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah that might be it where is it coming from ?
[10:17] <richardeoin> Yeah, the symbol timing could be 1 or 2 percent off
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> right not sure what accuracy is needed but I know it needs to be pretty close!
[10:19] <richardeoin> Mmm it's not ideal, but the hope it to get a flight out of it anyway
[10:19] <richardeoin> I don't particularly want to waste tracker boards :-(
[10:19] <dbrooke> well the RTTY is doing OK so no problem from that aspect of it
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting about 50% of frames I think but not been studying it that closely till now
[10:20] <dbrooke> thanks for the info re the TCXO
[10:20] <dbrooke> I'll leave it to it for a while as I need to get on with some other stuff
[10:21] <richardeoin> ah that's good, RTTY will be less sensitive to an error with the symbol timing
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[10:32] <g8fjg> green with contestia
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[10:34] <Herman_> the first caracters $$$$$UBSEDS810:33:20,50.65325,-0.81'q,9381,7,1.42,-8.6,-1.0900
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MONDO-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-3
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[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Getting close to float I think
[10:44] <g8fjg> why, if we all rx the same contestia sig do we decode it differently? 40db over noise here.
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Local interference
[10:45] <craag> whats the altitude record for a qualatex?
[10:45] <mysterious_girl> hope it floats soon
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> but as discussed earlier there may be a timing problem as its not locaked to the tcxo
[10:47] <craag> afaik Leo didn't break 10km?
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Leo's graph has a 9.5Km point https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:data?s[]=pico
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> But I seem to recall B-64 was higher than that anyway
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> But not Qualtex of course
[10:49] <craag> Yeah - I think this may be a qualatex record
[10:49] <craag> Leos were mostly ~8500m it looks like
[10:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> have the
[10:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> PS- balloons been over 10k m
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-66 was 13.3Km
[10:51] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: All custom..
[10:51] <craag> SA6BSS-Mike: Ah ok
[10:51] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftZ47euv_lU
[10:51] <tweetBot> @bristolseds: Will UBSEDS8 float or will she pop!? Getting very high for a float altitude. #ukhas @richardeoin @Dodgeballmaster http://t.co/5tEBD60Vro
[10:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> ps-46 max alt is 9892m
[10:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> and the ubsed8 looks to have reached floot
[10:54] <craag> still going up..
[10:56] <sq5kvs> <UBSEDS8> Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached cruising altitude
[10:56] <craag> nope, still going up
[10:56] <craag> woo 10km
[10:58] <sq5kvs> oh, come on :D
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Due South ! But no chance of seeing it much haze :-( Ascent seems to have finished
[10:59] <craag> It's slowing - so make or break now
[10:59] <sq5kvs> due east! , my yage beam is idle
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[11:02] <craag> Looking good, congrats richardeoin
[11:03] <mysterious_girl> did you say ladies and gentlemen because of me :) :)
[11:03] <sq5kvs> of course
[11:03] <KM4FSW> does anyone in here have andys (picospace) contact info
[11:04] <KM4FSW> cant' find it on his website
[11:04] <sq5kvs> ei2kk has
[11:04] <sq5kvs> on qrz.com?
[11:07] <richardeoin> Thanks craag :-) We're having a fun following along here
[11:08] <craag> does this one have aprs?
[11:08] <craag> ah couldn't use in france anyway
[11:09] <craag> need to wake up the french!
[11:11] <fsphil> incoming ball
[11:11] <craag> hehe
[11:12] <cm13g09> richardeoin: You're having far too much fun over there....
[11:13] <craag> hmm ubseds getting more ambitious
[11:13] <richardeoin> It's configured for aprs every 3 minutes - maybe over the channel?
[11:13] <craag> ah nice!
[11:13] <craag> callsign?
[11:13] <richardeoin> M0SBU-11
[11:13] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: @bristolseds @richardeoin @Dodgeballmaster Congrats beaten the Qualtex height record 10107m #ukhas
[11:14] <richardeoin> not too sure how well aprs works though, I've only tested it with gqrx's "AFSK1200" tool
[11:15] <fsphil> should be fine
[11:15] <fsphil> what's the radio?
[11:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V1
[11:15] <craag> do you know what rf output power you were getting?
[11:15] <richardeoin> there'll be quite a strong harmonic on 434.4, might be visible?
[11:15] <sq5kvs> it's a future - reconfiguration during flight. Even the new horizon probe can do that :)
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> might need to add that to the APRS import then ?
[11:16] <richardeoin> no I don't craag
[11:16] <richardeoin> less than +6dBm anyhow
[11:16] <richardeoin> probably much less tbh
[11:17] <craag> ok might be struggling a bit with range then, we'll see :)
[11:19] <richardeoin> It's more entertaining that I'd expected cm13g09
[11:20] <fsphil> it's good fun this :)
[11:21] <craag> APRS is being imported, so the bot'll post if it appears.
[11:21] <fsphil> well, most of the time
[11:21] <mattbrejza> hmm i think the faraday building is in the way here, signal much weaker than expected
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[11:30] <sq5kvs> bad for me. UBSET chose the lowest path from hysplit :/
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[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still ascending a bit
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[11:58] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: UBSSED8 in the air 434.600 MHz USB FSK. Tracking info at http://t.co/nd5VjZzucU #amsat #hamradio #hamr @theRSGByouth https://t.co/ObSOifmyxJ
[11:58] <Ian_> mattbrejza that would be the obvious effect of the Farday screen - I don't suppose that anyone considered that when naming the building.
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[12:02] <sq5kvs> <UBSSED8> I'm ready for baguette
[12:05] <DutchMillbt> Hi all what is the other mode of UBSSED8 ?
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !payload ubseds8
[12:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Payload 03UBSEDS8 10(cea6) 03$$UBSEDS8 - 03RTTY every 1 minute - 03434.6 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/400Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah also 32/1000 contestia but may have timing errors
[12:06] <DutchMillbt> Oke thankz Geoff
[12:08] <sq5kvs> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: contestia on 434 also?
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes mixed protocols 434.6 RTTY beeps RSID, Cntestia, beeps Rtty 1 minute cycle
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[12:10] <sq5kvs> ok, thanks
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[12:39] <garymortimer> Paris for a late lunch. Off to your local Tescos in Bristol for appropriate fare UBSEDS8 crowd
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[12:43] <sq5kvs> still ascending
[12:43] <infaddict> Any French/Swiss guys out there to take over?
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[12:45] <richardeoin> Ahh we went to tescos and bought all our food before launch garymortimer
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[12:45] <richardeoin> The launch would have been on time if we hadn't gone for a cooked breakfast
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Some delays are just natural causes.
[12:48] <mysterious> The wind was calmer when we did launch, smoother than some previous launches
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BelNanoSat1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BelNanoSat1
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[13:08] <g8fjg> did it switch off @13:00 gmt ?
[13:09] <sq5kvs> hm...
[13:09] <richardeoin> it wasn't planned to g8fjg
[13:09] <richardeoin> no carrier I guess?
[13:09] <sq5kvs> stealth technology over paris
[13:10] <mysterious> oh dear.
[13:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX5 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX5
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[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah not the only one then! Just come back in duh ...
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[13:28] <richardeoin> Ah thanks for tracking Geoff-G8DHE-Lap
[13:29] <richardeoin> Interesting behaviour from the Qualatex though, not seen that before
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[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> There might be a carrier there, but nit having beenn here when it stopped not sure if its just other QRM, however it does peak on the rght bering ....
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> yes seemed to continue rising!
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> will pop upstairs and look at it in more detail.
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[13:33] <sq5kvs> I was trying to find websdr for 70cm in paris, but I don't have much time now
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[13:34] <sq5kvs> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: What is gain of Your yage beam? 19el as I can see on habhub.?
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup 19ele wideband for TV work, trying for the life of me to remember the gain, but will have to look it up!
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.com/amateurradio/shack.htm
[13:38] <sq5kvs> ah, for TV :)
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> 16dBi http://www.moonraker.eu/tonna-220938-70cm-2-x-19-element-crossed-yagi
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.videorepeater.com/ getting a bit out of date however!
[13:40] <sq5kvs> hyh
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> just got them connected in circular normally.
[13:41] <sq5kvs> 2008y, not so old ;d
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> AFK
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[13:44] <sq5kvs> I saw the software for RTL dongles, to receive normal analog TV, of course, with low resolution (2-3 times) because the bandwidth is lower than 6 MHz
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[13:49] <fsphil> I always wanted to try software decoding of analogue tv. got the hardware too late, no analogue TV anymore unless I buy a modulator and do my own
[13:51] <sq5kvs> not exactly, In East europe You can find many stations
[13:51] <sq5kvs> still
[13:53] <sq5kvs> via metteor scatter or special propagation You should receive something ... maybe :)
[13:54] <fsphil> yea I can see the carriers for some VHF channels via scatter
[13:54] <fsphil> not strong enough to get a picture I think
[13:55] <sq5kvs> hm almost 2000km
[13:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> fsphil: or put an small antenna on an old vcr with modulator
[13:58] <fsphil> I don't even have a vcr anymore
[13:59] <Miek> fsphil: i've done software transmisson of it :)
[13:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> noone have :)
[13:59] <sq5kvs> guys, this is amplitude modulation
[13:59] <sq5kvs> just You need simple PAL signal and one transistor with some passive elements :)
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[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> craag, Do you think I can test this without finding a virgin ? http://www.g8dhe.net/bongo_images/3G_unicorn_aerial.jpg
[14:23] <DJ0FET> Hello folks! We are a HAB team called stratoBeagle" from a university in Germany. Our balloon launch is due next Wednesday, and wed like to share our telemetry data via habitat. Ive got some questions regarding the telemetry string.
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you found the paage http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[14:24] <fsphil> go ahead DJ0FET
[14:25] <DJ0FET> Is the time field supposed to be in UTC or localtime? And what do I do if some telemetry value is unavailable (e.g. because of a sensor malfunction)?
[14:27] <mattbrejza> well what does the payload do in that case?
[14:27] <mattbrejza> you can send blank fields if needed
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[14:32] <DJ0FET> OK, so I will just leave the space between the commas blank then. Just wanted to make sure the habitat parser doesnt get confused
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[14:35] <mattbrejza> thats what i do with lat/long data before the tracker gets lock. i would check what it does for normal sensor data
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[15:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> sign of UBSED?
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[15:07] <sq5kvs> hm
[15:07] <sq5kvs> does anyone have contact to eu1xx or other guys responsible for belnanosat1?
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[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Reb-SM3ULC, It stopped dead at 13:00 it seemed, nothing heard since.
[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sry 14:00
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[15:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V-1 JC _chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V-1%20JC%20_chase
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[16:04] <Guest70101> UpuWork: Hi do you have some time now to help me out with the warn / ok led issue?
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[16:07] <Guest70101> Upu: Hi do you have some time now to help me out with the warn / ok led issue?
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> No expert and not used PITS but have you diasabled devtree and installed WiringPi ?
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[16:14] <Guest70101> Geoff-G8DHE: yes i have installed wiringpi and disabled devtree
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[16:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11
[16:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LIG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LIG-11
[16:25] <Guest70101> Does anybody have any experience with PITS boards?
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> most people will be between work and home at the moment I suspect.
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[16:30] <eroomde> i'm between a rock and a hard place
[16:31] <eroomde> you do loads of really nice analysis for a customer but they just don't appreciate how beautiful it is
[16:31] <eroomde> rocket people don't realise that this Independant Component Analysis is really sexy and i've gone above and beyond to dig out signals for them
[16:33] <christopherlee> Guest70101: daveake who normally provides great support mentioned yesterday he was out all day today.
[16:33] <Guest70101> christopherlee: ok thanks for the info
[16:34] <christopherlee> Guest70101: just looking through code in case something we can test
[16:34] <christopherlee> Assume your just running the main code from Github and not a branch
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[16:38] <christopherlee> Do you have a gps.txt under /pits/tracker
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[16:40] <Guest70101> christopherlee: yes
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[16:42] <christopherlee> Its it being populated with data like $GNRMC,133539.00,A,5235.44581,N,00012.60932,W,1.245,,170615,,,A*74
[16:42] <Laurenceb> 3B8CW set up nicely
[16:44] <Guest70101> christopherlee: yes
[16:44] <christopherlee> Guest70101: could you paste in here the odd line
[16:45] <Guest70101> christopherlee:
[16:45] <Guest70101> christopherlee: $GNRMC,121632.00,V,,,,,,,180615,,,N*6D $GNGGA,121632.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*7D $GNRMC,121633.00,V,,,,,,,180615,,,N*6C $GNGGA,121633.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*7C $GNRMC,121634.00,V,,,,,,,180615,,,N*6B $GNGGA,121634.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*7B $GNRMC,121635.00,V,,,,,,,180615,,,N*6A $GNGGA,121635.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*7A $GNRMC,121636.00,V,,,,,,,180615,,,N*69 $GNGGA,121636.00,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*79 $GNRMC,1216
[16:46] <Guest70101> christopherlee: let me know if you need more
[16:46] <christopherlee> ok that should be fine
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[16:49] <eroomde> I know nothing about PITS, so I'm just diving in the some very general comments that might be irrelevent to this situation, apologies if this is the case, but it looks like you have no gps lock - are you expecting one, and if so does the gps antenna have a clear view of the sky?
[16:51] <Guest70101> eroomde: The problem is that the WARN led never blinks even if I haven't got any lock
[16:51] <chrisstubbs> I've been helping a couple of schools with PITS
[16:51] <eroomde> oh
[16:51] <christopherlee> Guest70101: My assumption from this is that GPS is talking back to Pi ok, but does show you have no fix at all.
[16:51] <eroomde> that's not much use
[16:52] <christopherlee> Wanted to check you did get data ok from GPS in first place
[16:52] <Guest70101> christopherlee: all frames that are intercepted look as follow: $$SEC2015,71,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,33.7,0.0*2E49
[16:54] <christopherlee> I would normally be worried by lack of time but i have had some problems with time displaying with the pits code. Only noticed yesterday while working around aLoRa issues with dave.
[16:55] <chrisstubbs> Guest70101, is the tracker program running?
[16:55] <Guest70101> chrisstubbs: yes
[16:55] <chrisstubbs> IIRC warn LED will be lit dimly while it boots up, then will start blinking once the tracker program starts
[16:56] <Guest70101> chrisstubbs: will try it out to see if it happen
[16:58] <Guest70101> chrisstubbs: nope no blincking at all
[16:59] <chrisstubbs> what version number is printed on your PITS PCB?
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[17:05] <christopherlee> Chris he has version 2.3 from a photo he shared this morning.
[17:05] <christopherlee> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1vMqJhJqBb6RUh4U1EwYmZ0SXc&usp=sharing
[17:06] <chrisstubbs> ah ok I've only used 0.4/5 with the old style rpi
[17:08] <christopherlee> I have currently both and cant see why it would not light from a software point. GPS even so it does not have a fix has still managed to get a time signal. But as you mentioned as soon as tracker code kicks off it lights the warn led and then carries on when you have less than 4 sats.
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[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0NMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0NMG-11
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[17:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RA4NHY
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0PT - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0PT
[18:05] <DJ0FET> Sorry, I just wanted to test the uploading for our balloon DK0PT - its not the real flight yet! I thought it would not show up on the map until your flight documents were approved?
[18:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> Its ok, You should allways make an upload and see your payload on the map
[18:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> if you had not your future flight doc would not have been aproved
[18:10] <DJ0FET> Ok thanks Mike
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[18:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX7 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX7
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[18:40] <christopherlee> It does get asked a few times but i'm currently using a WSM-270 Watson 2m/70cm Mini-Mag on the car for mobile tracking. Does any one have a better suggestion as just about to look to oder another one for another chase car.
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[18:43] <Upu> hey christopherlee should be fine I use a Diamond MR-77S
[18:43] <Upu> well I use 2
[18:43] <christopherlee> cool
[18:48] <christopherlee> Upu: guest70101 was around earlier looking for some assistance with Pits and the warn led.
[18:50] <Upu> yeah I asked him to pop on
[18:50] <Upu> is he still here ?
[18:50] <Upu> Guest70101
[18:50] <Upu> yup
[18:50] <Upu> just say my name when you're back
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:21] <eroomde> what hab news Lunar_Lander ?
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> coding and mechanics almost done
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> not that far away anymore
[19:23] <eroomde> nice
[19:23] <eroomde> summer while the jetstream is gone?
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> would be good
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> I really hope to get going soon
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[19:25] <Guest70101> Upu: Hi am back :)
[19:27] <Guest70101> Upu: I am the guy with the warn led issue
[19:27] <Upu> hey there
[19:27] <Upu> right sorry about before I'm about now if you want to go through it
[19:28] <Guest70101> Upu: yeah would be awesome if we could do it now
[19:29] <Upu> I'll PM you
[19:29] <Upu> should appear at the top of you window
[19:30] <Upu> btw you can type /nick something if you want to have a name :)
[19:32] <Guest70101> Upu: I can't see anything yet
[19:32] Nick change: Guest70101 -> dga
[19:33] <Upu> should be up at the top
[19:33] <Upu> if not don't worry
[19:33] <Upu> do you have an open console to the Pi ?
[19:33] Nick change: dga -> gartmann
[19:33] <gartmann> yes
[19:33] <gartmann> i have a ssh session
[19:33] <Upu> type ps ax | grep tracker
[19:34] <Upu> do you see 5 processes ?
[19:34] <gartmann> pi@sec2015 ~ $ ps ax | grep tracker 2286 ? S 0:00 /bin/bash /home/pi/pits/tracker/startup 2287 ? Ss 0:00 startpar -f -- tracker 2309 ? S 0:00 sudo ./tracker 2312 ? Sl 0:09 ./tracker 3296 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto tracker
[19:34] <gartmann> Upu: yes
[19:34] <Upu> ok type killall tracker
[19:35] <Upu> sorry
[19:35] <Upu> sudo killall tracker
[19:35] <gartmann> done
[19:35] <Upu> cd ~/pits
[19:35] <Upu> sudo ./tracker
[19:35] <Upu> sorry
[19:35] <Upu> cd ~/pits/tracker
[19:36] <Upu> sudo ./tracker
[19:36] <gartmann> done
[19:36] <Upu> ok (don't paste it)
[19:36] <Upu> what do you see ?
[19:37] <gartmann> it started fine
[19:37] <gartmann> Upu: no error messages
[19:37] <Upu> can you copy the output and paste it to http://pastebin.com/
[19:37] <Upu> then link the resulting link here please
[19:37] <gartmann> Upu: it sends this: $$SEC,3,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,31.9,0.0*AD71
[19:38] <gartmann> Upu: and i can also intercept it with my airspy
[19:38] <Upu> so its transmitting ?
[19:38] <Upu> ok
[19:38] <gartmann> Upu: it sends images that I can also intercept
[19:38] <gartmann> Upu: yes
[19:38] <gartmann> Upu: but no led is activated
[19:38] <Upu> ok
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[19:38] <Upu> sudo killall tracker
[19:38] <gartmann> Upu: no time is set
[19:39] <Upu> that means its not got GPS but red should be on
[19:39] <Upu> kill the tracker
[19:39] <gartmann> Upu: done
[19:39] <Upu> give me a min
[19:39] <Upu> can't remember how to do this next bit :)P
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[19:39] <gartmann> Upu: I never saw a red led so far :(
[19:40] <gartmann> Upu: no problem :)
[19:42] <gartmann> Upu: http://pastebin.com/xjrFaDFv
[19:43] <Upu> 2 mins just working out the pins
[19:43] <Upu> V2.3 PCB ?
[19:44] <gartmann> Upu: sorry where can I find this info?
[19:44] <Upu> its printed on the PCB
[19:45] <gartmann> Upu: ok 1 moment
[19:45] <gartmann> Upu: yes 2.3
[19:45] <Upu> ok
[19:45] <Upu> ype :
[19:46] <Upu> gpio mode 24 out
[19:46] <Upu> gpio mode 25 out
[19:46] <Upu> gpio write 24 1
[19:46] <Upu> gpio write 25 1
[19:46] <Upu> what happens
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[19:47] <gartmann> Upu: nothing
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[19:48] <Upu> thats damn wierd
[19:48] <Upu> let me check I have the correct ports
[19:49] <DJ0FET> Is there any way to provide units for measurement data?
[19:50] <Upu> Config.LED_OK = 25;
[19:50] <Upu> Config.LED_Warn = 24;
[19:50] <Upu> sure that board is clipped on correctly ?
[19:51] <Upu> do you mean on the tracker DJ0FET ?
[19:51] <DJ0FET> yes
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[19:51] <gartmann> Upu: where should I paste those lines with the Config.LED?
[19:51] <Upu> should be yes, I don't know how to do it
[19:52] <Upu> don't gartmann I was just confirming for a Pits+ board those GPIO's are correct
[19:52] <Upu> so very odd indeed
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[19:52] <Upu> If it was one LED but both seems a little odd
[19:52] <Upu> can you take a close up of the LED's ?
[19:52] <Upu> picture
[19:53] <Upu> the tests I do before I ship include testing both LED's
[19:54] <gartmann> Upu: it wasn't very well clipped i give a try again
[19:54] <Upu> ok it should go in with a noticable click
[19:55] <Upu> push it down at both ends
[19:55] <gartmann> Upu: with the previous commands it works!!!!!!
[19:55] <Upu> there you go then
[19:56] <Upu> reboot or do sudo ./tracker
[19:56] <gartmann> Upu: I will try to restart the tracker
[19:56] <gartmann> Upu: ok
[19:57] <gartmann> Upu: I have still both led on
[19:58] <Upu> yeah reboot
[19:58] <gartmann> Upu: maybe it's better I reboot it?
[19:58] <Upu> I would concur
[19:58] <gartmann> Upu: sorry what do you mean?
[19:58] <Upu> yes reboot it :)
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[20:00] <gartmann> Upu: I have rebooted it
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[20:01] <Upu> is it working ?
[20:01] <gartmann> Upu: nope
[20:01] <gartmann> Upu: it's taking pictures
[20:01] <gartmann> but no led is enabled
[20:02] <Upu> but the LED worked before
[20:02] <gartmann> Upu: yes
[20:02] <Upu> go though the previous steps and see if the LED comes on
[20:02] <gartmann> Upu: I got a red and a green one
[20:02] <gartmann> Upu: ok
[20:02] <Upu> i.e kill the tracker
[20:02] <Upu> do the GPIO thing
[20:03] <gartmann> Upu: ok
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[20:04] <christopherlee> don't like to interrupt but in pic this morning you could perhaps move the stand offs to the side of the GPIO to ensure its pulled together well.
[20:04] <Upu> it clips quite tightly the extra stand offs generally aren't required
[20:06] <tweetBot> @bristolseds: Short write-up and photos from our last two pico launches #ukhas http://t.co/9S4LwwNa3p http://t.co/D5tUJBu4Cr
[20:06] <richardeoin> tldr; there's a gif http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/6/ubseds6_inflate_20mmhg_35mmhg.gif
[20:07] <gartmann> Upu: both are working
[20:07] <gartmann> Upu: WARN + OK are turned on
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[20:09] <Upu> ok
[20:10] <Upu> you have a GPS antenna connected ?
[20:10] <gartmann> Upu: yes
[20:10] <Upu> power it off
[20:11] <Upu> power it back on again
[20:11] <gartmann> Upu: ok
[20:12] <gartmann> Upu: it's running again
[20:12] <Upu> no LED's ?
[20:13] <gartmann> Upu: still not :(
[20:13] <Upu> odd
[20:13] <Upu> ok I'll have to ask daveake but he's not about at the moment
[20:14] <gartmann> Upu: ok
[20:14] <gartmann> Upu: thank you a lot for your help so far!
[20:14] <Upu> no probs I'm sure its not hardware as the LED's come on
[20:14] <Upu> let it get a lock and see if green comes on
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[20:15] <gartmann> Upu: ok I am just sitting next to a windows so it should be ok
[20:17] <gartmann> Upu: how much time should it take to get a lock?
[20:17] <Upu> depends on the sky view
[20:17] <Upu> outside <1 min
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[20:19] <gartmann> Upu: I tried it the whole day even outside and it never turned green
[20:20] <Upu> is the output from the tracker reporting no lock ?
[20:21] <gartmann> Upu: tail telemetry.txt => everything is still 00000
[20:21] <Upu> give me another close up picture of the board please
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[20:23] <gartmann> Upu: ok
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[20:27] <gartmann> Upu: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1vMqJhJqBb6RUh4U1EwYmZ0SXc&authuser=0
[20:29] <Upu> I have to be missing something let me have a think
[20:29] <Upu> are you in the UK ?
[20:29] <gartmann> Upu: no I am in Switzerland
[20:30] <Upu> ok
[20:30] <gartmann> Upu: but I will move to the UK in August ;o)
[20:30] <Upu> come to the conference in london :)
[20:31] <gartmann> Upu: I will
[20:32] <Upu> I'm just testing on my PITS here
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[20:32] <Upu> yeah even with no GPS antenna installed
[20:32] <Upu> the RED led comes on
[20:33] <Upu> doesn't blink mind..
[20:34] <Upu> I'm happy to take it back but I'm not convinced there is a hardware fault so I'd like daveake to have a look at it first pls
[20:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BC04S - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BC04S
[20:34] <Upu> he's traveling back from Austria atm I think
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[20:36] <gartmann> Upu: No problem. Thank you very much for your valuable help :)
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[20:37] <gartmann> Upu: maybe would be cool if you could sync with him
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[20:37] <Upu> I will
[20:37] <gartmann> Upu: so we don't need to troubleshoot everyting from the beginning again
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[21:30] <tridor> Hi folks, I am making progress on my tracking rig & arduino based tracker, could I have a bit of advice please
[21:31] <Upu> ask away tridor
[21:31] <tridor> I can transmit rtty and decode the signal with dl-fldigi
[21:32] <tridor> I've followed Anthony's great guide here -http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=768
[21:32] <tridor> and I can see the gps outpuuting data
[21:32] <tridor> now....
[21:33] <tridor> am I at the stage to try and get the gps data over rtty? how on earth do I do this bit?
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[21:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sergio_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sergio_chase
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[21:37] <mfa298> tridor: you'll need to parse the nmea data to pull out the bits you want (probably: time, lat, long, altitude, fix, sats) then feed them into the code generating the rtty string
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[21:42] <tridor> mfa298 - hmmm, i don't know how to do that, i've gone so far but feel I've hit a brickwall now :-(............any links to applicable guides/advice??
[21:45] <mfa298> For arduino there are some libraries that may (or may not) help with reading and parsing the gps.
[21:45] <mfa298> for instance things like tinygps.
[21:46] <mfa298> however for a HAB there are other things you'll need to do as well (such as setting the gps into flight mode - assuming it's a ublox)
[21:46] <mfa298> once you've got the values you need you can use snprintf to generate the string to send via rtty
[21:46] <tridor> Anthony's guide covered the flight mode bit so that should be ok
[21:48] <mfa298> there's some bits on ukhas.org.uk but I'm not sure there's for tying the gps to rtty as that's potentially dependant on what your wanting to send (other sensors etc) and should be fairly easy
[21:50] <tridor> i've not found anything on bringing the gps & rtty together. I'll take look at the tiny gps stuff
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[21:53] <tridor> thanks for your help :-)
[21:53] <mfa298> scanning the link you gave earlier I think Upu's code is doing the same as TinyGPS would do, but probably better
[21:54] <mfa298> look up snprintf
[21:55] <mfa298> the trick to making something that works is understanding what the code is doing and how it works rather than just pushing bits together without really knowing what's happening and hope it works.
[21:56] <mfa298> The throwing bits together and hoping approach tends to lead to payloads that fail halfway through the ascent.
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[21:57] <tridor> truth is right now i don't really know but learning
[21:58] <daveake> mfa298 or before halfway. Like 12000/30000 of the way
[21:58] <daveake> tridor if you've not programmed Arduino or C before, then an Arduino/C primer would be a very good start
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[21:59] <daveake> Don't worry about trying to write the tracker till you have those basics
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[21:59] <mfa298> tridor: looking at Upu's code, the first step might be to get it printing out the Latitude and Longitude
[21:59] <mfa298> then start printing a string that looks like a payload string.
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[22:00] <mfa298> my best advice is work on one small bit at a time and get that going, don't try and make it all work in one go.
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[22:03] <tridor> i'm was really pleased when i got the arduino sending basic rtty with the ntx2b and decoded it - #highmoment
[22:03] <mfa298> and I'd agree with daveake's comment about getting an Arduino/C primer if you're new to Arduino or C
[22:04] <tridor> then you find there is another huge issue to overcome, you're right take it slow
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[22:17] <mfa298> just don't try to do too much in one go and you can make progress, and ask for help when you get stuck (it usually helps if you can upload your code somewhere - learning to use github properly is best but adds to the learning curve)
[22:19] <mfa298> as an example, I'm writing something similar and my simple step a couple of days ago was to get the time from the GPGGA string. My next step it to get position out in the format I want it.
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