highaltitude.log.20150617

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[00:14] <rjenks> Hi, has anyone had experience with Kaymont balloons?
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[03:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9UKT-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9UKT-7
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[04:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
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[05:53] <tweetBot> @marsballoon: #Firestar will launch at noon today with 80 Mars science exprmnts. #UKHAS #HABHUB Follow live http://t.co/NxQJPdWQUe http://t.co/TlsSh2OjhW
[05:56] <tweetBot> @SVCScience: Can you spot SVCs?! https://t.co/zdpqxVtsUJ
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[06:13] <_charlie> Isnt macron fusion a bit impractical in terms of size, laurenceb?
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[06:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
[06:15] <_charlie> like even if you could get orders of magnitude high field strengths than found in LHC for example, youd still need accelerators in the km's region
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[06:16] <_charlie> that was th gist i got anyway
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[07:29] <_charlie> looking forward to Mars Balloon today :)
[07:29] <_charlie> UBSEDS too
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[07:54] <tweetBot> @BHHSGDST: Watch out for the green alien from @BHHSGDST on the front row https://t.co/O7XsMoOZOV
[07:55] <fsphil> huh
[07:55] <daveake> someone hack the bot ?
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[07:59] <openchat> mars balloon today sounds like a good daily "news"paper title
[07:59] <openchat> it's that lag-factor, as with the bitcoin wakeup folk, eh
[07:59] <openchat> oh well
[07:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS7
[08:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-PITS-LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-PITS-LoRa
[08:03] <openchat> if only by the ('english') channel! god forbid other balloons other places like the city
[08:03] <openchat> oh well.
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[08:05] <fsphil> someone needs a nice cup of tea
[08:05] <daveake> At first I thought I might
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[08:15] <sq5kvs> hi guys
[08:16] <fsphil> morning
[08:19] <garymortimer> Morning all
[08:20] <garymortimer> I was born up brizzle so looking forward to Mars
[08:21] <sq5kvs> Hope that not MERS
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[08:26] <fsphil> another go at processing the new horizons images: http://i.imgur.com/EcsH4OF.jpg
[08:27] <fsphil> charon is so much darker than pluto
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[08:28] <fsphil> I wonder if the dark patches on pluto is material kicked of charon by impacts
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[08:35] <_charlie> this is so cool
[08:35] <eroomde> it is cool
[08:36] <fsphil> I'm not sure where charon is in relation to pluto in that image. the dark spot does seem to be on the charon side
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[08:54] <sq5kvs> wow, impressive
[08:57] <fsphil> it's possible some/all of those details are not real, but a result of the filters
[08:58] <sq5kvs> could be
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[09:14] <tweetBot> @HappyMeBristol: Cool! http://t.co/z79lRQzrqq
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[09:27] <tweetBot> @BristolUni: #Firestar aims to reach new heights @bristolseds @marsballoon #UKHAS #HABHUB http://t.co/99nC8fvLlF
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[09:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARS_chase
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[09:43] <garymortimer> I used to fly gliders near where that MARs chase vehicle is, cant remember the name of the place. Fantastic high spot to listen out from
[09:45] <fsphil> take it there are pubs there?
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[09:46] <gonzo_> the mars launch is only a stones throw from Priddy village. I'm there dfor a festival in a few weeks
[09:47] <garymortimer> @fsphil there are indeed pubs! But I was 16 when I was gliding there so yet to properly appear on the radar
[09:47] <fsphil> hah
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> A faourite camping spot of ours either the C&CC site or Deersleap wildcamp
[09:48] <richardeoin> I'm up Purdown with my airspy
[09:48] <richardeoin> hopefully will hear something during launch
[09:49] <fsphil> nice way to spend a morning
[09:49] <fsphil> has anyone measured the power consumption of an airspy? they seem to get fairly toasty
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[09:50] <daveake> yeah I was quite surprised at that
[09:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Mine appears to be drawing 180mA
[09:51] <fsphil> that's not bad
[09:52] <fsphil> I had measured the fcdp+ but I can't get to my notes
[09:56] <garymortimer> now i look at the sat image I think I can see the gliding club just west of balloon launch, Halesland I think it was 621 VGS
[09:58] <garymortimer> Just had a little look at a prediction from there, wonderful direction if it heads off towards the new forest.
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup not very active club AIR never seen anything flying from there when we've been there
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> prediction for today http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/FIRESTAR_UBSEDS7_20150617/index.php?ind=1
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[10:02] <craag> richardeoin: Do you know the estimated burst alt for today?
[10:03] <richardeoin> About 32km I think?
[10:03] <richardeoin> It's a 1600g balloon with about 1200g payload afaik
[10:05] <fsphil> one of their previous launches landed after gathering a large amount of snow
[10:05] <fsphil> when it hit the ground and dumped the snow, it took off again
[10:05] <fsphil> shouldn't be a problem this time of year :)
[10:05] <craag> Thanks, I'm near winchester so wondered how close it might fall, doesn't look like close enough :)
[10:05] <eroomde> what time is launch?
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[10:06] <eroomde> tcxo drift looks a bit funky richardeoin
[10:07] <richardeoin> Launch in about an hour
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[10:08] <garymortimer> I think this would be a reasonable spot for lunch http://www.blackdogchilmark.co.uk/
[10:08] <garymortimer> just off track
[10:08] <richardeoin> Ah the packet this morning was just me checking the backup eroomde
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[10:09] <richardeoin> That doesn't have the tcxo connected
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[10:11] <eroomde> prediction puts it landing right in the yard of one of our customers
[10:11] <eroomde> who make helium aeriel vehicles, of all things
[10:11] <fsphil> hah
[10:13] <sq5kvs> hi eroomde
[10:14] <eroomde> hi sq5kvs
[10:14] <sq5kvs> maybe they will launch this balloon again :)
[10:15] <eroomde> indeed!
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[10:15] <eroomde> they make these: http://www.allsopp.co.uk/
[10:15] <sq5kvs> ym :)
[10:16] <eroomde> website is a bit noughties but the kits themselves are great - really rock solid, especially in bad weather where tethered balloons normally struggle
[10:16] <sq5kvs> In last saturday I tested normal kite from our river beach
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[10:19] <sq5kvs> It was my test to lift vertical portable long wave antenna :)
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[10:23] <eroomde> sq5kvs: did it work?
[10:24] <tweetBot> @ScienceclubCBC: so excited our #spacecooking is launching at Noon, CBC will be in space https://t.co/AN7XdZqgnR
[10:25] <eroomde> no it won't
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[10:26] <eroomde> from a science club too
[10:26] <eroomde> that's bad
[10:26] <fsphil> :/
[10:26] <fsphil> I'm constantly correcting people. Feel like it's pointless
[10:26] <eroomde> fight the good fight
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[10:27] <sq5kvs> uatde..
[10:33] <_charlie> Why wont it be in space?
[10:33] <eroomde> because it's going up on a weather balloon
[10:33] <daveake> not sure if serious
[10:33] <eroomde> which doesn't go to space
[10:33] <eroomde> nor particularly close to space, even
[10:33] <_charlie> So it won't go into outer space?
[10:34] <eroomde> no
[10:34] <fsphil> that too
[10:34] <eroomde> nor inner space
[10:34] <_charlie> of course it wont go into outer space
[10:34] <eroomde> nor space
[10:34] <eroomde> there is no room for the word 'space' to describe high altitude ballooning unless it is prefixed by 'not'
[10:34] <sq5kvs> eroomde: just space :)
[10:34] <_charlie> you're in space right now
[10:35] <eroomde> no i'm not
[10:35] <eroomde> i'm in an office
[10:35] <_charlie> in space
[10:35] <jonsowman> no, that would make commuting very expensive
[10:35] <_charlie> if you're not in space, then kudos you just broke everything
[10:35] <jonsowman> everything seems ok here
[10:36] <_charlie> Ayy
[10:37] <_charlie> Id be impressed if you were working in outer space for sure
[10:37] <daveake> It's cold up there
[10:37] <daveake> No kind of atmosphere
[10:37] <eroomde> i define space as the hard vacuum between celestial lumps of matter
[10:38] <eroomde> rather than your definition which is functional the same as 'universe'
[10:38] <eroomde> functionally*
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[10:39] <garymortimer> If you are 10 or even 48 its close enough so lets not spoil the dream..... Anything that triggers thinking is a good thing right?
[10:39] <_charlie> Amen gary
[10:39] <sq5kvs> if we assume that the outer space is around the Earth, there is no big difference, where our balloon or rocket will go :D
[10:39] <eroomde> garymortimer: no
[10:39] <eroomde> that's just marketting
[10:39] <_charlie> *rolls eyes*
[10:39] <Maxell> Did anyone here tried to compile dl-fldigi on debian 8?
[10:39] <Maxell> Debian 8, unstable :)
[10:40] <Maxell> /usr/bin/ld: dl_fldigi-Uploader.o: undefined reference to symbol 'BIO_ctrl@@OPENSSL_1.0.0'
[10:40] <Maxell> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
[10:40] <eroomde> garymortimer: i teach 10 year olds this stuff sometimes, and being inaccurate only confuses things
[10:40] <eroomde> everyone misunderstands space
[10:40] <fsphil> Maxell: you need to install the openssl dev package
[10:41] <garymortimer> perhaps some of the children will find their way to the chat here
[10:41] <eroomde> i bet there are few in this channel who've done outreach who haven't been asked by a perplexed person why the hab doesn't 'burn up on reentry'
[10:41] <_charlie> aren't you saying that they are 'far off' by only considering physical seperation though?
[10:41] <eroomde> it's because of very sloppy and confused explanations of things, and it's a disservice to those you're trying to help to call it space
[10:42] <_charlie> Well if I aint living in 3D space I dont know what to call it.
[10:42] <Maxell> fsphil: yeah... I know ==> libssl-dev/unstable,now 1.0.2c-1 amd64 [installed]
[10:42] <Maxell> Forgot to mention that yes.
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[10:42] <eroomde> call it the stratosphere
[10:42] <_charlie> Besides, even at 32km altitude, by mass 99% of the atmosphere is below you... so... By air mass folks are close to your 'hard vacuum'
[10:42] <eroomde> no _charlie
[10:43] <eroomde> you've no diea what you're talking about
[10:43] <_charlie> please explain
[10:43] <eroomde> 1% sea level is nowhere like a hard vacuum by any engineering definition
[10:43] <fsphil> Maxell: hmm, not sure then. the error reminds me of when I mixed up the order of -l flags in one of my own programs
[10:43] <eroomde> an experimental physicist would punch you in the face if you sold him a 'hard vacuum' rig that actually only went down to 1%
[10:44] <fsphil> the surface of mars is at 1% of earth pressure
[10:44] <fsphil> and it has weather
[10:44] <fsphil> enough wind to clear solar panels too :)
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[10:45] <sq5kvs> eroomde: it is a small problem (with the space, and explanation). The bigger problem is "how the atoms looks". Many peoples thinking that atoms are a small hard balls :) (including students)
[10:47] <Maxell> fsphil: hm
[10:50] <_charlie> I'm just saying... If it gets one kid interested in science... Who then will go on to learn waht 'space' really is... then who cares
[10:51] <luteijn> Maxell: google the error, see e.g. https://github.com/laurentluce/twilio-cplusplus/issues/2
[10:51] <_charlie> fsphil, enough weather to inspire naff hollywood movies too :D
[10:51] <eroomde> _charlie: yes but you can do it without lying
[10:51] <eroomde> the ends don't always justify the means
[10:51] <_charlie> its not really lying
[10:52] <eroomde> there's plenty enough that's exciting about doing a hab without being willfully deceptive in your headline announcement
[10:52] <_charlie> No one gets hurt, no one dies, the sun will still come up in the morning and go down at night...
[10:52] <eroomde> sure
[10:52] <luteijn> Maxell: make sure -lcrypto and -lssl are in the right places, order usually matters
[10:53] <fsphil> holywood has never been good at accuracy :)
[10:53] <Maxell> luteijn: meh work
[10:53] <Maxell> luteijn: want to join with the ssh screen? :P
[10:54] <daveake> Surely better to explain what space really is, and that HAB cool as it is is not happening in space, than to lie. The plan surely is to encourage them to grow up and be scientists or engineers, not politicians or work marketing :/
[10:54] <daveake> work in
[10:55] <gonzo_> those two words are mutually exclusive
[10:55] <Maxell> luteijn: noted for the next time.
[10:56] <daveake> Kids still enjoy going to Eurodisney without pretending they're actually in Florida
[10:56] <garymortimer> Yes for sure better to be straight about it
[10:56] <eroomde> it's a no-brainer but _charlie has obviously done lots of outreach work so knows better. or perhaps he's one of the ones inventing new spacecraft who can himself trace his inspiration back down to having stuff exaggerated to him
[10:56] <eroomde> i still remember a lesson at primary school that caused me years of confusion
[10:56] <eroomde> actually by my teacher not understandinf what they were talking about
[10:57] <eroomde> but about how a rocket moves in space by 'turning the engine to thrust against itself'
[10:57] <eroomde> i can't necessarily hope for a familiarity with conservation of momentum in an old-lady teacher at a village primary school, but that really caused me some cognative disonance for a while as i just couldn't see how her explanation could work
[10:58] <eroomde> i resent it still
[10:58] <_charlie> The way I see it, and dont get me wrong this is all open to personal interpretation, is that there is a suitable explanation for different things. Like how in A2 physics, teacher turns around and goes - you know what we taught you about structure of the atom/particle interactions/whatever - it was kind of a lie
[10:58] <eroomde> yep
[10:58] <Darkside> science is not open to personal interpretation
[10:58] <Darkside> sorry
[10:58] <garymortimer> Space is one thing, what about time? I thought it was a 1200 local launch?
[10:58] <eroomde> but 10 year olds understanbd space and orbit perfectly well
[10:59] <eroomde> i know this because i've taught it to lots of them
[10:59] <eroomde> it totally clears up why the hab doesn't 'burn up'
[10:59] <eroomde> why they're not actually going to 'space'
[10:59] <_charlie> Darkside, science itself isnt, but the presentation of ideas is
[10:59] <eroomde> the difference between 'space' and 'orbit' (which is new to almost all of them until someone stops lying to them, at which point they understand it perfectly)
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[11:00] <eroomde> fudging is a disservice unless it serves a very defined pedagogical purpose, which claiming 'space' doesn't. pre a-level they still teach you something 'incorrect' because it functions adequately as a predictive model
[11:00] <sq5kvs> fortunatelly we know something about sexeducation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqI-28meTZ8 :)
[11:00] <garymortimer> Is it not 1200 in UK land now??
[11:00] <eroomde> it is garymortimer
[11:01] <_charlie> Great sketch
[11:01] <fsphil> almost lunch time
[11:01] <garymortimer> cool thanks so they were going for a noon launch, not seeing a balloon
[11:01] <daveake> See ISH at https://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary
[11:01] <fsphil> maybe they mixed up launch time with lunch time
[11:01] <daveake> better link https://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary:ish
[11:01] <daveake> easily done
[11:02] <garymortimer> Thanks very much
[11:02] <garymortimer> Love that everything is in teh wiki
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[11:03] <_charlie> I swear the sketch went on longer?
[11:04] <gonzo_> I have to explain to people here that being an engineer is not just a job, it's a way of life
[11:04] <Darkside> haha
[11:05] <gonzo_> and that not being precise and applying sound engineering to every thing you do, is sickenning. In the same way that people find murder totally unacceptiab;le
[11:05] <gonzo_> it's a built in thing
[11:06] <eroomde> _charlie: btw everything i'm saying isn't a reckon. quite a lot of the work we've done with schools is with this age group and there is so much confusion about 'space' that goes away when you're accurate, because it's not that hard
[11:07] <eroomde> i even try to be strict with journalists who get carried away when they want to write about it. e.g. the mention of 'space' in this article which they won't get rid of, but at least further down said that it was lofted into the stratosphere http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7767376.stm
[11:07] <sq5kvs> eroomde: it's hopeless
[11:07] <_charlie> And I agree with you ed. XD I'm just saying there isn't the need to get so worked up about every bit of misinformation in the world. I would've gone mad if I pointed out everything wrong with everything.
[11:08] <sq5kvs> always will write something completely different
[11:08] <eroomde> i'm not worked up about every bit of misinformation in the world
[11:08] <_charlie> epic
[11:09] <_charlie> (´ü`)y-~~
[11:09] <eroomde> i am worked up about something that's very close to what i do because i've been doing this stuff since the beginning (in the uk) and care about it carrying on being a good hobby and way of teaching and not getting messed up by laziness or commercial interests or all the other things
[11:09] <sq5kvs> looks like tadpole
[11:09] <eroomde> or having teachers saying 'but we were told it would go to space!'
[11:11] <_charlie> *thumbs up*
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[11:13] <sq5kvs> eroomde: But, I have observation, that words like "science, math, astronomy,..." can automatically switch off their brain. Even if the article (f.example) talking about that the sun is bright
[11:14] <eroomde> yes
[11:14] <eroomde> and that's in no way contradictory to what i said
[11:14] <eroomde> at all
[11:14] <sq5kvs> so, they are lazy
[11:14] <eroomde> i'm quite deliberate about not demarking 'and now this is physics' and then 'and now this is art'
[11:14] <eroomde> when we're (in that example) getting them to design space suits
[11:14] <eroomde> i'm as happy with them coloring in the flags as thinking about cloth vs foil for insulation
[11:15] <eroomde> i'm just truthful, that's all, and that makes a big difference
[11:15] <sq5kvs> it's something like coquet: "See , what I'm stupid, it's funny, right? Lets leave this matter, it's to hard. Have a gum"?
[11:15] <eroomde> you can explain radiation vs convection without saying 'everybody stand back because this is hard physics!'
[11:15] <sq5kvs> yes, You can ! :D
[11:15] <eroomde> and again this is based on the observation of seeing half a class switch off when you apply labels to things
[11:16] <eroomde> instead we just work on solving a problem
[11:16] <eroomde> without playing taxonomy
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Very true.
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Or maths.
[11:18] <sq5kvs> in last days, when the philae back to life, in TV shown a comet photo, and the description was "its a photo from philae" . Really, isn't hard to observe that when the lander is on the ground, can't take this kind of photo.
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Yes, in principle, being able to prove something is true formally is great - it plays far too large a role in some courses.
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[11:21] <_charlie> SpeedEvil, please say that to my vector calc lecturer :o)
[11:21] <sq5kvs> btw, look at the hysplit from ps-46, it's funy
[11:21] <fsphil> link?
[11:22] <sq5kvs> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=1_day&mc=-15.24832,46.71928&f=PS-46
[11:22] <fsphil> oh yea, built into the tracker now
[11:23] <fsphil> I'd love to see something cross into the other hemisphere
[11:24] <_charlie> LOL
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: this regrettably probably does not apply for fields in which formal proof is something you're expected to be able to do.
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: yeah
[11:24] <sq5kvs> I was hoping that this balloon can fly across the equator (it will be first time I think) but now i'm not sure
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: I did some playing with hysplit and found it's not _that_ unlikely
[11:25] <sq5kvs> fsphil: exactly
[11:25] <_charlie> Someone go on holiday to Kenya and watch it cross the equator 50 times ;)
[11:25] <sq5kvs> SpeedEvil: air particles can do that :D
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[11:26] <SpeedEvil> But I diddn't do enough. I'd really want to do something like checking daily for launches from - say - 30-10N at 0E
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> could do it if your north of the equator at the moment! http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=37.83,1.79,671
[11:27] <sq5kvs> It could be much easier (fly into the other hemisphere) when Your balloon can change altitude.
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[11:27] <SpeedEvil> sq5kvs: yes - but.
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> sq5kvs: 240kpa is 10km or so.
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> 10km means that your balloon is getting rained on/iced
[11:28] <sq5kvs> thunderstorms
[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> which is where PS-46 is at the moment
[11:29] <sq5kvs> we had some (thunderstorms) in last weekend <daydream>
[11:30] <fsphil> no such luck here
[11:30] <fsphil> I need to make my own tesla coil or something, nature isn't doing a good enough job
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[11:32] <sq5kvs> and, one balloon from czech republic was lost in one of the storm
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[11:33] <sq5kvs> fsphil: sad. But not so sad If You have many antenna wires over Your' country house :D
[11:33] <fsphil> if I had a country house I probably won't be too bothered
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FIRESTAR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FIRESTAR
[11:36] <infaddict> ooh firestar is active
[11:36] <infaddict> and predicted to land in the middle of new forest. nice.
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Not sure its been launched yet, very low altitude, might be being driven ?
[11:38] <garymortimer> Very nice, cross country sort of drive from there so they will have to put a wiggle on
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> very strange floating at 296m!
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> maybe the Altitude data is bad ?
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes on my waterfall
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yup Alt stuck at 296m
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_TEST - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_TEST
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> no sign of UBSEDS7 ?
[11:41] <garymortimer> Into Salisbury with haste!
[11:41] <garymortimer> But for me the school run. I shall follow from the car park
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FIRESTAR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FIRESTAR_chase
[11:45] <sq5kvs> btw, I thinking that ps-46 cango back to the mexico :)
[11:45] <lz1dev> !whereis ps-46
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-46 was over 03Indian Ocean 10(-10.165,42.585) at 039336 meters about 0314 minutes ago
[11:46] <lz1dev> !track ps-46
[11:46] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ps-46
[11:46] <christopherlee> Is Firestar a rocket ... climb rate suddenly spiked...
[11:46] <lz1dev> ps-46 doesn't know where to go :(
[11:47] <sq5kvs> christo, right, almost light speed
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah Alt started being sent correctly (?)
[11:48] <luteijn> at least differently ;)
[11:48] <luteijn> !dial FIRESTAR
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight firestar
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Flight 10(40d9): 03FIRESTAR 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Somerset, UK 10(51.25419,-2.71284)
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial 40d9
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03FIRESTAR 10(40d9): 03434.250102 MHz, 434.249805 MHz, 434.250103 MHz, 434.250107 MHz, 434.250086 MHz
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS7 10(40d9): none
[11:49] <G8FJG> 434.249.800
[11:52] <UpuWork> UBSEDS not up ?
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE_> nothing heard
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[11:57] <craag> What the odds they didn't take out the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" tag? :P
[11:58] <UpuWork> craag hab rotate crashes out
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> lets hope the Firestar GPS/code keeps working
[11:58] <UpuWork> when I try use it on this flight
[11:59] <daveake> Marsballoon has a Breakaway tag ?
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yup UBSEDS doesn't use a string ID
[11:59] <richardeoin> craag: I'm just waiting for them to get back to me about that ;-)
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[12:03] <infaddict> firestar prediction edging worryingly towards the coast. or isle of wight.
[12:03] <UpuWork> I can see it but its a rubbish signal
[12:03] <UpuWork> what frequency was UBSEDS meant to be on ?
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its quite a jittery signa
[12:03] <infaddict> 434.6
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 434.250
[12:03] <UpuWork> and its confirmed not working ?
[12:04] <infaddict> firestar was 434.25 but ubsed27 is 434.6 i believe
[12:04] <UpuWork> ta
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> nothing visible here on 434.6+/- 20Khz
[12:04] <infaddict> mmm maybe they went with only 1 payload for some reason
[12:04] <craag> UpuWork: are they sending sentence ID?
[12:05] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/iFWcj4L.png
[12:05] <UpuWork> yes
[12:05] <UpuWork> on FIRESTAR anwyay
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> firestar is but not the ubseds
[12:06] <craag> That'll be it
[12:06] <craag> it uses sentence id to order
[12:07] <UpuWork> ah ok
[12:07] <craag> At work - nothing I can do about it now
[12:07] <infaddict> firestar stopped sending altitude again
[12:07] <UpuWork> nps
[12:07] <mattbrejza> is firestar a pi by any chance?
[12:07] <craag> blame richardeoin
[12:07] Action: UpuWork blmes richardeoin
[12:07] <UpuWork> its not even transmitting :)
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> It gets a rougue position and then the Alt changes
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> even rogue
[12:08] <craag> I know - but it's grabbing the position from this morning and trying to order that before choosing the latest position.
[12:09] <craag> I'll note to put in a graceful fail so it can fall back to one compatible payload if there is one :)
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[12:22] <richardeoin> Good guess craag - they didn't take out the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" tag on UBSEDS7
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[12:23] <infaddict> is that a PITS thang?
[12:23] <richardeoin> (see http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2015/06/17/ubseds7.html for a photo)http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2015/06/17/ubseds7.html
[12:23] <richardeoin> Sad :'-(
[12:23] <richardeoin> But easily done in the stress of launch
[12:24] <eroomde> thales are meant to be so slow and expensive at doing engineering precisely because they encumber huge numbers of staff with lots of process and checklists
[12:24] <eroomde> so that's surprising
[12:24] <daveake> "The tracker also transmits Automatic Packet Reporting System (APRS) packets." ???
[12:25] <craag> lol richardeoin
[12:25] <daveake> oh, does geofencing oo
[12:25] <richardeoin> not in the UK daveake
[12:25] <fsphil> doesn't say on what frequency
[12:25] <garymortimer> I'm back I see it found some altitude and liked it so much its stayed there
[12:25] <daveake> yeah I then read further :)
[12:25] <richardeoin> must add that caveat to the page
[12:25] <richardeoin> in big letters
[12:25] <richardeoin> infaddict we sandwiched a piece of paper between the battery and its contact to disable the tracker until the launch day
[12:26] <infaddict> ah i see richardeoin
[12:26] <daveake> Nothing wrong with that; it's the "don't launch without receiving/uploading first" bit
[12:27] <infaddict> interesting to see where firestar lands. prediction back at 10000m was hopping between middle of new forest to the isle of wight.
[12:27] <garymortimer> Seems to be a trend
[12:27] <richardeoin> It's a pity we couldn't go to the launch ourselves, but since term finished a couple of weeks back we only had 4 people wanting to go
[12:28] <richardeoin> And none of us 4 have a car or are over 21 (the age limit for hiring a car in the UK I think)
[12:28] <eroomde> i believe so
[12:28] <eroomde> we had to lie
[12:28] <infaddict> who is driving MARS_chase then?!
[12:29] <eroomde> (for a uni-friends holiday)
[12:29] <richardeoin> ahaha nice work eroomde
[12:29] <craag> infaddict: The thales team I guess
[12:30] <garymortimer> 4 X 18 is more than 21
[12:30] <infaddict> horizontal speed slowed right down
[12:31] <richardeoin> it should be turning back on itself soon
[12:31] <garymortimer> should be heading back soon
[12:31] <craag> dat altitude
[12:32] <craag> looks a bit adafruit-ultimate-gps-ey
[12:32] <garymortimer> Are they not so ultimate then
[12:33] <infaddict> ooh 45m
[12:33] <craag> They seem to have real problems with changing altitude
[12:33] <garymortimer> Its over a lovely part of the world must have a good view of the badges at Fovant
[12:34] <garymortimer> If that tuen does not happen its tickets for the IOW please
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[12:36] <tweetBot> @marsballoon: There seems to be a problem with the altitude reading on #Firestar but it should burst in the next 20 mins #UKHAS #HABHUB @bristolseds
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[12:44] <infaddict> i think Firestar is trying to do joined up writing
[12:44] <garymortimer> That back tracking did'nt really happen did it, central Southampton or IOW perhaps here we come
[12:45] <infaddict> nope, i think that little circle was it. now heading SE again.
[12:45] <garymortimer> yeah i think so as well
[12:45] <infaddict> wonder if altitude will come back < 10900m
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[12:45] <craag> Heads, totton!
[12:46] <UpuWork> thats an odd one
[12:46] <craag> Or could land at the susf launch site
[12:46] <UpuWork> the Adafruit should be ok until at least 27km
[12:47] <craag> UpuWork: The astra auto-laucher used one, and it only changed altitude in steps, and reverted back to 2d lock with a small, non-zero altitude at times.
[12:47] <craag> It may or may not have been mounted upside down at the time..
[12:47] <UpuWork> yay
[12:47] <UpuWork> Ultimate !
[12:48] <infaddict> at least this slowing down and circle has allowed chase car to catch up
[12:48] <garymortimer> Oh is this walking backwards for Christmas time
[12:49] <infaddict> it doesnt know what it wants to do! SW now.
[12:49] <infaddict> wonder if these position readings are accurate
[12:50] <garymortimer> Thats still along way cross country. I think I would rush around it and leave Salisbury on the A36 waiting on that high ground just out of town
[12:50] <garymortimer> I was wondering that as well
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[12:52] <infaddict> original prediction did show a westerly swing towards Broad Chalke and then SW to the Solent
[12:52] <daveake> the circling thing definitely happens, e.g.http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/circles.png
[12:52] <infaddict> nice etch-a-sketch
[12:53] <eroomde> your payload has a bad altitude - you want to make it less insolent
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[12:53] <PE2G> !flights
[12:53] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03FIRESTAR 10(40d9)
[12:54] <daveake> but not more wight
[12:54] <garymortimer> This flight is making me homesick! Defo going to drive through that area when next in Blighty
[12:54] <PE2G> !dial 40d9
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03FIRESTAR 10(40d9): 03434.250172 MHz, 434.2525 MHz, 434.24998 MHz, 434.250231 MHz, 434.25034 MHz, 434.25 MHz, 434.2494 MHz, 434.24961 MHz, 434.25043 MHz, 434.24986 MHz
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS7 10(40d9): none
[12:54] <infaddict> should burst soon i reckon
[12:54] <garymortimer> Yes lets hope that moves it away from Southampton and IoW for them
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> following prediction pretty well http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/FIRESTAR_UBSEDS7_20150617/firestar_201506171254.jpg
[12:55] <garymortimer> They are going to have to put foot in that chase
[12:56] <infaddict> yep Geoff-G8DHE_. although the in flight predictions at last known altitude didnt come as far west and instead turned back SE much sooner, putting it near the coast/solent
[12:56] <infaddict> lets wait and see
[13:00] <garymortimer> could guess altitude by stations hearing + - the odd 1000m or so
[13:02] <infaddict> i think g0nzo will be closest but not tracking it all the time
[13:09] <tweetBot> @marsballoon: #Firestar should be coming up on 30km, burst expected soon! @bristolseds #UKHAS #HABHUB
[13:09] <infaddict> i think its come far enough West to ensure a mainland landing
[13:12] <garymortimer> Set course for Sandy Balls
[13:12] <infaddict> ooh altitude is back
[13:12] <infaddict> weird
[13:13] <garymortimer> just in time!
[13:13] <infaddict> chase car need to speed to new forest. slow roads, lots of trees.
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[13:14] <garymortimer> nice bit of road in front of them though
[13:14] <infaddict> yep i am rather jealous sitting here in front of a desk ;-(
[13:15] <garymortimer> yes me as well
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> humm is that a burst?
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> sudden rapid fading and a bit of a hift in freq. ?
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes
[13:16] <garymortimer> think so
[13:17] <infaddict> yep!
[13:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> not sure Alt is fixed again but lower yes its dropping
[13:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> burst early then
[13:20] <infaddict> mmm their last tweet intimated expecting burst near 30km, not sure why
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[13:22] <UpuWork> carrier ?
[13:22] <UpuWork> oh its back
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> two or three times now a pause / reset maybe
[13:22] <tweetBot> @bristolseds: #ukhas need a bigger one of these for next time! http://t.co/pvs88IaKi7
[13:23] <infaddict> lol
[13:24] <g8fjg> cruel but fair
[13:25] <infaddict> has it stopped tx'ing?
[13:25] <infaddict> aha its back
[13:26] <infaddict> but altitude stuck again i think
[13:26] <mfa298> I've obviously been failing at working from home today in that I'm not tracking this yet and it's coming towards me.
[13:26] <garymortimer> back in that lower quicker flow the crew might regret pausing at Shaftesbury, if that position is right
[13:26] <mfa298> and in the right direction
[13:27] <infaddict> yep mfa298 get on it! ;-)
[13:28] <infaddict> my prediction is nr Newtown/Lyndurst
[13:28] <garymortimer> martin down is a great open area with a high spot to wait at
[13:28] <garymortimer> 1 million points for sandy balls
[13:29] Action: mfa298 hopes this remote standup will finish in time. It's only been going 30 mins so far...
[13:31] <garymortimer> guess the altitude time I say below 7000 now
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> wierd signal at the moment, also looks like it did a reset at 13:19
[13:32] <garymortimer> Do they have local tracking?
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[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> they didn't upload at launch
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> and coverage from the launch site on 3g is brilliant
[13:33] <fsphil> nobody seems to upload from the launch or chase site anymore
[13:33] <fsphil> or even both with these radio things
[13:33] <fsphil> bother*
[13:33] <infaddict> i think that needs to be bigger letters in the guide ;-)
[13:34] <garymortimer> Ok lots of points for landing at classic lingerie
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> something seriously wrong with the modulation at present still just about copying but its got an extra tone on it
[13:34] <eroomde> are those descent rates to be believed?
[13:34] <eroomde> presumably not
[13:34] <mfa298> is there a frequency for it ?
[13:35] <garymortimer> Its seen a wood
[13:35] <infaddict> not sure eroomde, its been all over the place
[13:35] <g8fjg> 434.250
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its a high audio signal modulating the carrier
[13:35] <infaddict> its descended really quick if current altitude is correct
[13:36] <eroomde> yeah
[13:36] <eroomde> much too quick
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/FIRESTAR_UBSEDS7_20150617/firestar_w-f%20-%20modulation-hf.png
[13:36] <infaddict> possible parachute failure
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[13:36] <g8fjg> going to lose it soon
[13:36] <michal_f> do you know of any youtube from launchsite - so I can see how it's done ?
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> See here http://randomaerospace.com/LiveHAB/LiveHAB_Splash/Welcome.html
[13:37] <garymortimer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04PNMIfZj6Y
[13:38] <michal_f> thanks !
[13:38] <garymortimer> Yuo are doing great work G8FJG
[13:38] <mattbrejza> !dial firestar
[13:38] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:38] <mattbrejza> !dial firestar
[13:38] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Latest dials for 03FIRESTAR 10(40d9): 03434.24998 MHz
[13:38] <g8fjg> FIRESTAR625,133818,50.944149,-1.922307,2693*7EA9
[13:39] <g8fjg> $FIRESTAR,231,133851,50.9425X,-1.917484,2693*2=6
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> gone for me
[13:40] <g8fjg> gone
[13:41] <infaddict> crazy descent angle
[13:41] <infaddict> think its gonna crash land
[13:41] <tweetBot> @daveake: The "Seven Deadly* Sins Of HAB" https://t.co/9Qkz9UwBSm * Slight overstatement, perhaps unfortunately. #UKHAS
[13:42] <eroomde> richardeoin: see if you can get any info out of them about the parachute that would be good
[13:42] <garymortimer> https://twitter.com/ThalesUK/status/611165628003692546
[13:42] <mfa298> just disappeard from my waterfall, but I'm on a crappy antenna at the moment - standup meeting is still going so can't put something better out yet
[13:42] <eroomde> i.e. if they're not that ontop of what they're doing (not casting aspersions), are you able to tell them to actually forensically look at the chute in its landed state
[13:43] <garymortimer> was not far from the load
[13:43] <eroomde> rather than just gathering it all up quickly from the edge of a field thinking everything was fine
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[13:45] <richardeoin> eroomde: Yep, I'll ask them to have a forensic look at the chute in its landed state
[13:45] <eroomde> ta
[13:46] <UpuWork> what parachute ?
[13:46] <mfa298> this might be assuming they can find it.
[13:46] <infaddict> or it had one
[13:47] <mattbrejza> what was the actual descent rate in the end>#
[13:47] <eroomde> don't know as alt data seems spaffy
[13:47] <eroomde> if anyone has a burst alt/time and landing time we can work it out
[13:47] <infaddict> -30m/s up to -50m/s. all over place.
[13:47] <garymortimer> Its in this twitter pic https://twitter.com/ThalesUK/status/611165628003692546
[13:47] <mfa298> from the few points on the graph on the tracker - fast
[13:47] <infaddict> it burst at 31000m
[13:47] <infaddict> let me get distance travelled
[13:47] <UpuWork> 14:22 burst
[13:48] <infaddict> yep
[13:48] <mattbrejza> well the tracker figure is meaningless as the altitude was stuck
[13:48] <craag> There were a good set of points at ~3500m, averaging ~11m/s iirc.
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> The Alt figure confuses things see here at the real slope http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/FIRESTAR_UBSEDS7_20150617/index.php?ind=5
[13:48] <mfa298> might be better to look at a few of the later data points
[13:48] <UpuWork> hang on
[13:48] <mattbrejza> hmm mt doesnt tell you the time of telemetry points on the graph
[13:49] <craag> mattbrejza: try habmap ;)
[13:49] <craag> http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=FIRESTAR
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[13:49] <eroomde> how does habmap help calc descent rate?
[13:50] <craag> eroomde: graph has timestamps on the data points (re: matt's comment)
[13:50] <eroomde> ah sorry can't keep up
[13:51] <UpuWork> 21m/s
[13:51] <UpuWork> but take that with a pinch of salt
[13:51] <eroomde> at landing?
[13:51] <UpuWork> average
[13:51] <christopherlee> daveake: any advice on why Pits LoRa might be failing either after sending one telemetry string if mode=0 and camera=0 or if mode=1 and camera=1 it fails on what looks like the 4th SSDV Packet. When i check i can;t see any LoRa thread running.
[13:51] <eroomde> average doesn't help much :s
[13:51] <infaddict> i think it fell 28000m in 15 mins.
[13:51] <infaddict> around 31m/s
[13:51] <daveake> Because of the DIO0 setting ... check reality (on the Lora card) with the setting (pisky.txt)
[13:52] <daveake> Also check DIO5 while you're at it
[13:52] <UpuWork> 18m/s
[13:52] <UpuWork> from the last 2 readings
[13:52] <daveake> ouch
[13:52] <UpuWork> assuming they were reporting correctly
[13:52] <daveake> yeah
[13:53] <eroomde> certainly points to chute failure
[13:53] <eroomde> or chute total absense
[13:53] <UpuWork> the altitude data is useless
[13:53] <UpuWork> dunno if thats code
[13:53] <UpuWork> I can't believe the Adafruit module is that bad
[13:53] <Laurenceb__> aidsfruit
[13:54] <UpuWork> thanks Laurenceb
[13:54] <infaddict> chase car closing in. lets hope they pick something up.
[13:54] <UpuWork> do craters transmit ? :)
[13:54] <daveake> at 18m/s they might be picking a few separate things up
[13:54] <infaddict> lol
[13:55] <infaddict> some nice forest to cushion it, depending how far it got
[13:55] <UpuWork> hopefully it landed in those trees
[13:55] <infaddict> the only time you pray for trees!
[13:55] <UpuWork> I would call at that decent rate it fell short :)
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[13:56] <mfa298> at least there doesn't look to be too much else on the flight path to be dive bombed.
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[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-PITS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-PITS
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[13:57] Nick change: UpuWork -> Grumpycat
[13:59] Nick change: Grumpycat -> UpuWork
[13:59] <mfa298> I suspect it may be in a tree. I just tried sticking an antenna out the window and I can see traces of a signal
[13:59] <daveake> lucky
[13:59] <UpuWork> with that antenna I'm surprised
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[14:00] <daveake> probably the stub of an antenna wedged itself into a wet twig 164mm long
[14:00] <infaddict> where abouts are you mfa298? how close?
[14:00] <mfa298> Southampton (M1ARI on the map)
[14:01] <daveake> luck seems to attach itself to abject failure
[14:01] <infaddict> got you mfa298 thx
[14:01] <infaddict> my new neck of the woods.
[14:01] <infaddict> in a few months time
[14:01] <mfa298> could always just be interferrence, but it's in the same place and about the right spacing
[14:01] <garymortimer> Now who is going to drive out and find it like the Manchester one. They were claiming great success with not enough gratitude for the save IMHO
[14:02] <christopherlee> daveake: LoRa board has DIO0 to 6, Hows that set in pisky.txt
[14:02] <daveake> LORA_DIO0_0=6
[14:03] <daveake> Assuming it's channel 0 (on SPI CE0)
[14:03] <infaddict> MARS_chase not moved for a while
[14:03] <mfa298> $&IREbA I think that would be the balloon then
[14:03] <daveake> _1 for CE1
[14:03] <infaddict> yep looks like garbled callsign mfa298
[14:03] <christopherlee> Cheers, i'' set and check again.
[14:04] <daveake> It's been found in a tree :p http://i.imgur.com/2hXsUN1.jpg
[14:04] <garymortimer> Thats amazing there is quite a bit of high ground between its last and there
[14:05] <chris_99> haha daveake
[14:05] <mfa298> I've seen a 50.3 and a -1.88101, although they could have some garbling in them
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[14:06] <mattbrejza> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2e83cfdff02d908588e7d17d0b5e8f857dd02e5e perhaps 10m/s descent isnt too far wrong then
[14:06] <mattbrejza> i would assume there will be quite a lot of payload shedding on landing
[14:07] <infaddict> mfa298: that puts it in middle of channel
[14:07] <garymortimer> them being on IRC right now could be very handy. Did it have a GSM tracker?
[14:07] <mfa298> woo, string
[14:08] <daveake> ncie one
[14:08] <infaddict> well done
[14:08] <infaddict> it passed the forest then!
[14:08] <mfa298> I did half wonder whether I should have gone offline to get that one
[14:08] <garymortimer> in those trees! Told you it had seen them
[14:08] <infaddict> just on edge of tree line
[14:08] <daveake> nah 1 tree inside
[14:08] <infaddict> high up i bet
[14:08] <daveake> so not so easy to poke at
[14:09] <garymortimer> That is amazing at 33km
[14:09] <mfa298> infaddict: It didn't reach "The Forest" :p
[14:09] <UpuWork> thats certainly in a tree
[14:09] <infaddict> nope - about 20km short of original predication
[14:09] <garymortimer> they need to send beer via post to mfa298 or even make the drive
[14:09] <daveake> That chute graphic is optimistic
[14:10] <mfa298> garymortimer: good location for that direction. I'm on the 6th floor
[14:10] <craag> nice one mfa298
[14:10] <mattbrejza> i think i can see it on the waterfall too, but too much interference
[14:10] <mattbrejza> to decode
[14:10] <garymortimer> still amazing good job you live that side the building then
[14:10] <infaddict> and they are BIG trees: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.935283,-1.880224,3a,32.5y,257.29h,89.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swc0QWRFKGMGcEPItAhBIkg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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[14:11] <mfa298> that's one damned tall tree, OS maps show ground at <100m
[14:11] <daveake> oh nice
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/FIRESTAR_UBSEDS7_20150617/firestar_landing_area.jpg
[14:13] <infaddict> landing in a tall forest like that must be a nightmare. unless you like climbing trees.
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[14:14] <mattbrejza> well those ones look like they can be cut down without anyone caring
[14:14] <mattbrejza> mfa298: is the shift near 610 now?
[14:14] <chris_99> Could anyone possibly link me to the helium cylinder they use on http://www.boconlineshop.com so far i'm only seeing stupidly expensive cylinders for some reason, in the order of £500, whereas i can see a hydrogen cylinder for £60
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[14:14] <mfa298> I had 560 and bumped the filter bw up a bit
[14:15] <mattbrejza> peerhaps this isnt the paylaod then
[14:16] <mfa298> I had 50 baud 70n1
[14:17] <garymortimer> chase is on scence
[14:17] <garymortimer> scene
[14:18] <daveake> chris_99 For BOC helium go to http://balloonhelium.co.uk/
[14:18] <garymortimer> I wonder if they have a receiver in the car, TAZ
[14:18] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[14:18] <craag> Yeah looks like it
[14:18] <daveake> or they watched the map
[14:19] <daveake> ah yes they are rzing
[14:19] <daveake> I'm slow sry
[14:19] <mfa298> and for when people say you need an expensive antenna - here's mine http://imgur.com/CY373G4
[14:19] <infaddict> chase car on site
[14:19] <chris_99> daveake, cheers
[14:19] <infaddict> hope they take some pics of where its found
[14:20] <daveake> On the plus side, even if the payload is stuck, they'll probably find most of the experiments scattered on the ground
[14:22] <garymortimer> hope the farmer did'nt mind them driving up his lane
[14:22] <infaddict> richardeoin: hopefully they will let us know the state of the payload/chute/landing site.
[14:22] <gonzo_> missed all the fun
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> They've driven to the last position again!
[14:23] <infaddict> hopefully they are carrying a phone and havent actually driven over the trees
[14:23] <eroomde> sorry phone - so did anyone manage to grab a reasonably trustworthy descent velocity for some altitude?
[14:23] <garymortimer> looks like a lane there are some buildings on the left
[14:23] <eroomde> i can trivially work out the sea level descent velocity if i know the velocity at some arbitrary other altitude
[14:24] <mattbrejza> eroomde: 10m/s gives a pretty good fit when compared to the predictor
[14:25] <mattbrejza> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=711c7049c7c09a255ac256c9103c3b0693ac148e
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[14:25] <gonzo_> not sure I would have heard much on the descent though, as that direction is a bad one for me. I live in a valley
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[14:30] <christopherlee> daveake: tried the extra setting in /boot/pisky.txt but the same result. This is using v2.3 of pits and v2.3 of the LoRa addon board. LoRa board has slot 0 with RFM98W and shows DIO0 = 6 and DIO5=5.
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[14:31] <christopherlee> daveake: The tracker code is the latest branch form LoRa, gateway as well. The gateway seems to work ok as receives everything sent. when it failes it keeps posting "
[14:32] <christopherlee> "daveake:"Testing for File"
[14:32] <gonzo_> I assume they got it. As they are not updating
[14:35] <daveake> christopherlee The setings labelled on my card are DIO0/5 as 31/26 for CE0
[14:35] <daveake> CE1 is 6/5
[14:36] <daveake> CE1 being the one closer to the gpio socket
[14:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03broedrn - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=broedrn
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[14:37] <PE2BZ> !payload broedrn
[14:37] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes problem for them https://twitter.com/marsballoon/status/611178173955469312/photo/1
[14:38] <christopherlee> interesting, on both boards i have they have CE0 closets to GPIO, same as this pic http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=121
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[14:39] <infaddict> oh no Geoff-G8DHE_
[14:39] <infaddict> they are off to get a chainsaw then
[14:39] <christopherlee> I have not traced to check the pins are actually correct.
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[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Looks like it caught the trees on the edge of the wood
[14:39] <infaddict> only a few metres more and they wouldve been in a lovely field
[14:40] <Marsballoon> Dang, we have an cat stuck up a tall tree with no low branches situation
[14:40] <PE2BZ> !flights
[14:40] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03FIRESTAR 10(40d9)
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[14:40] <mattbrejza> Marsballoon: pics?
[14:40] <Marsballoon> Thanks for the tracking guys, I do owe beer
[14:40] <PE2BZ> !payload firestar
[14:40] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03FIRESTAR 10(40d9) 03$$FIRESTAR - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/560Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[14:41] <Marsballoon> There is a picture on our twittwr @marsballoon
[14:41] <mfa298> looks like firestar is now reporting 30m (which looked to be 30 below ground)
[14:41] <eroomde> Marsballoon: see if the climbing volunteer can see if the chute is alright
[14:41] <eroomde> the descent rate was reqlly very fast
[14:41] <infaddict> Marsballoon: any idea what happened on descent? chute problem?
[14:41] <eroomde> so we wonder if the chute failed
[14:41] <Marsballoon> Chute looks twisted, may have wound up
[14:42] <mattbrejza> oh twitter is weird
[14:42] <Marsballoon> We are talking to the landowners
[14:42] <eroomde> good luck
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://www.google.com/maps/@50.934668,-1.881379,3a,75y,270.21h,85.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAThMPWxEPwBFgrYWpoltyw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAThMPWxEPwBFgrYWpoltyw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D100%26h%3D80%26yaw%3D155.52083%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
[14:42] <mattbrejza> chainsaw time...
[14:42] <Marsballoon> Gonna need special kit though
[14:43] <eroomde> trees have been felled for hab recovery on more than one occassion
[14:44] <Marsballoon> This might be one of those occasions
[14:46] <fsphil> moar pluto, http://i.imgur.com/QmwYO9E.png
[14:47] <Laurenceb__> looks like excessive wavelet filtering
[14:48] <fsphil> yea half this could be just processing artifacts
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> AIUI, it's not
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> it's deconvolution of multiple superresolution images
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> Does look neat though.
[14:48] <fsphil> well that one isn't, it's my own work stacking the images
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> nvm then
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[14:49] <fsphil> I'll have to compare this to the closer images when we get them
[14:49] <fsphil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/data/pluto/level2/lor/jpeg/029671/lor_0296719183_0x630_sci_1.jpg
[14:49] <fsphil> one of the raw frames
[14:50] <Laurenceb__> the features look too symmetrical - looks like wavelet filter artefacts to me
[14:52] <Laurenceb__> landscape features dont tend to look like that
[14:52] <Laurenceb__> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169555X02001873
[14:52] <Laurenceb__> ok maybe not so similar to pluto :P but the features will be similar
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: what were you doing with the frames?
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[14:55] <Laurenceb__> also, isnt pluto rotating between frames?>
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> that too
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> I don't think good mmetadata has been released - but I havne't dug into it enough
[15:00] <fsphil> they seem to be taking four images in a row
[15:01] <fsphil> few seconds between then
[15:01] <fsphil> I'm scaling the raw images a bit, stacking them
[15:01] <fsphil> and sharpen them a bit -- which is probably where a lot of the 'detail' is coming from
[15:02] <fsphil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> Are the images offset pixel-wise?
[15:02] <fsphil> scroll down and you'll find the four darker ones I used
[15:02] <fsphil> most of the images are long exposures
[15:03] <fsphil> I stacked some of those a while back too, can make out what looks like one of the smaller moons
[15:03] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/xFCLNfW.png
[15:04] <fsphil> not sure which
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> That's no moon!
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> Oh - wait - no, you're right.
[15:13] <fsphil> Ron Baalke's version: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHtdkhXVAAEKuU3.png:large
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[15:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_PLUS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
[15:28] <garymortimer> https://twitter.com/marsballoon/status/611193487682334722
[15:31] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum. The HAB's favourite landing location claims another... ;)
[15:35] <mfa298> another green or two and I might have managed uploading more sentences than the flight team (having only got greens post landing a good distance away)
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[15:35] <mfa298> looks like it might be showing a sensible altitude at last
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup that makes more sense!
[15:41] <infaddict> yep mfa298 - better late than never!
[15:41] <infaddict> wonder if they forestry guys agreed to chop it down
[15:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03jr_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=jr_chase
[15:44] <garymortimer> I think they are going to climb up and get looking at twitter
[15:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BelNanoSat1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BelNanoSat1
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[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:50] <_charlie> hi marsballoon!
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[16:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K6NPS-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6NPS-1
[17:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V1
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[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_CE2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_CE2
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[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX7
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[18:14] <TT7> hello everybody, has anyone used Si4060 at APRS frequency?
[18:15] <richardeoin> Hey TT7, I've tested that
[18:16] <richardeoin> I guess you mean on 144.8 MHz ?
[18:17] <TT7> hi richardeoin, yes 144.8Mhz. Did you use any special antenna matching or did you set up the one for 434Mhz?
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[18:18] <richardeoin> I just used the same setup as for 434 MHz
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[18:20] <richardeoin> There's a strong harmonic at 434.4 as it's not being filtered out
[18:20] <richardeoin> I could do a rough measurement for you later
[18:21] <TT7> ok cool, did you notice any problem with this setup at 144.8?
[18:22] <richardeoin> I didn't notice any problems, but I plan to test it more thoroughly this evening
[18:23] <TT7> I read through the datasheets and although both Si4060 and Si4460 can transmitt at 144Mhz, they described the 144 antenna matching only for Si4460... so thah confused me a little
[18:23] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[18:23] <richardeoin> From memory there could be a problem with the C0/L0 tank but I'm not sure
[18:24] <richardeoin> The Si4060 can definitely do 144
[18:24] <TT7> ok thx
[18:26] <richardeoin> Here is my circuit diagram, the Si4060 is in the right hand panel
[18:26] <richardeoin> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bristol-seds/pico-tracker/new_hw_integrated/hardware/main-aaa/bristol_longshot.sch.png
[18:27] <TT7> I also noticed that some people used 16Mhz tcxos with Si4060 while the datasheet says it can handle crystals from 25 to 32Mhz.
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[18:30] <TT7> I can't seem to be able to open that image, but I have seen bristol-seds pico tracker on Github, I think. good work :)
[18:31] <richardeoin> yep, the 16.369 MHz tcxo is out of spec, but it gives the correct tone spacing for some digital modes and does work
[18:34] <craag> Heh 11389x8839 pixels
[18:35] <craag> nearly killed my netbook
[18:35] <richardeoin> Hmm I need to do a lower-res export from eagle ;-)
[18:35] <TT7> I see. Do you have to do anything special software-wise or just set the 16Mhz value and takes it normally?
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[18:36] <richardeoin> No, apart from setting the TCXO bit in the power up command
[18:37] <TT7> ok, thank you for your insight richardeoin
[18:37] <richardeoin> that's fine :-)
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[18:43] <TT7> what cameras are currently used for SSDV? the original C328 seems no longer to be for sale
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[18:50] <craag> fsphil is the only one to have done a non-pi ssdv payload recently I think.
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> what was it based on?
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[18:53] <craag> Ah no, my mistake it was a pi :(
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[18:58] <TT7> ah I see. I guess I'll have to look up a Pi camera to Atmega connection guide :)
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[18:59] <craag> There are some uart cameras around from obscure sources
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[19:00] <craag> or you can use a microcontroller with a proper camera interface (eg. variants of the stm32f4)
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[19:03] <TT7> I'll see what comes up. I'd like to stay with Atmega for now
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[19:12] <fsphil> craag: the last one was arko
[19:12] <fsphil> I still have some uart cameras
[19:12] <fsphil> shame they're so expensive
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> I also got one
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> I recall it took pictures from the manufacturers software when wiring the cam up via FTDI
[19:15] <fsphil> adafruit had one recently
[19:16] <fsphil> http://www.adafruit.com/products/397 or http://www.adafruit.com/products/1386
[19:17] <fsphil> the one with the lens should in theory be better
[19:18] <fsphil> an RPi model A + camera probably isn't costing much more though
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[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, I got one of the first type
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[19:37] <anerdev> hey hey guys =D
[19:37] <anerdev> for receiving radio signal, what'a good usb receiver ? Fundogle ?
[19:38] <craag> depends on your budget
[19:38] <craag> I think airspy is recommended over funcube dongle now
[19:38] <craag> (assuming your computer/laptop can run it)
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[19:40] <anerdev> The university pay =D
[19:40] <anerdev> hiihih
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[19:40] <craag> evening jcoxon
[19:41] <anerdev> kraag air spy is better than fundongle+ ?
[19:42] <anerdev> crag and for receiver antenna ?
[19:42] <craag> I believe so, I don't have an airspy though.
[19:42] <craag> receiver antenna for home or car?
[19:43] <anerdev> car
[19:43] <anerdev> the classic magnetics is good ?
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[19:44] <craag> A magmount amateur radio 70cm/434MHz magmount
[19:44] <craag> eg. watson wsm-270
[19:44] <craag> http://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456
[19:46] <craag> Check what connector it has, and what connector your receiver has.
[19:46] <craag> You may need an adaptor
[19:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Easy site to compare specs of all the types of receivers look under SDR for Airspy & Funcube http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/
[19:48] <jcoxon> hey cra
[19:48] <jcoxon> craag, *
[19:50] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[19:50] <anerdev> thank you guys ...
[19:50] <anerdev> I will but the filter and amp http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=83
[19:51] <anerdev> "My favourite SDR receiver at this moment is the FUNcube Dongle Pro+." DOH Geoff-G8DHE_
[19:52] <anerdev> and guys, for radio transmitter there is a NTX2B version that have much baydrate ?
[19:54] <Vaizki> que?
[19:54] <Vaizki> baudrate depends on the controlling software
[19:58] <anerdev> Vaizki transmission baud rate. The NTX2B going to 50. Can I change for example to 300 ?
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[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Only his preffered it depends on what you want, if you want a filtered front end then FCD if you want wide bandwidth with no tuning limits (to speak of) then Aorspy
[19:59] <anerdev> Vaizki Radiometrix LMT2
[19:59] <anerdev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMvVOF3pXw
[19:59] <anerdev> Geoof what's FCD ? So, I think I will buy the Airspy
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Fun Cube Dongle
[20:00] <anerdev> Geoof I need only to receive telemetry
[20:00] <mfa298> anerdev: I think the better out of FunCube vs Airspy depends on what features you want. For a single payload either are likely as good as the other - I've only got the FCD Pro+ so far though
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I've only used the Airspy out of those two myself
[20:00] <anerdev> mfa298 ok ok ... So, i need only for receviev payload from 1 balloon. In my case air spy or fcd there isn't much differente
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> but I'm more interested in tuning anywhere without restriction
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> FCD won't tune 420MHz for weather sondes for instance
[20:01] <anerdev> I will buy AirSpy (in the future I don't know what I will do)
[20:02] <anerdev> geoff and air spy can ?
[20:02] <mfa298> anerdev: for your use case I suspect either will do the job so possibly look at how easy it is to get them and cost
[20:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes its continous 45Mhz to low GigHz
[20:03] <anerdev> Geoff nice
[20:03] <anerdev> mfa298 I haven't budget problem, is an university project
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> In that case I would suggest that Airspy would have better use for other projects than FCD in a Uni
[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes its 27MHz to 1.7Ghz in total
[20:04] <anerdev> Geoff perfect =D And AirSpy "sia"
[20:04] <Vaizki> anerdev: yes you can run 300 baud with NTX2B but of course it will be harder to receive than 50 baud
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[20:05] <anerdev> Vaizki and LMT2 is better than NTX2 temperature "problem" ?
[20:06] <anerdev> because 50 baud is "too slow"
[20:07] <anerdev> I need a transmitter fast, for this project we need a sample rate high, because every 10 second we need to receive data
[20:07] <Vaizki> I don't know anything about LMT2 sorry
[20:08] <anerdev> don't worry :D thank you man
[20:08] <Vaizki> where are you doing this?
[20:08] <Vaizki> which country
[20:09] <anerdev> italy :)
[20:10] <Vaizki> anyway, too many variables to say what you need exactly...
[20:10] <anerdev> My university have a project that need to send a balloon to
[20:10] <anerdev> 20 km, speed up very slowly (1/2 meters/s)
[20:10] <anerdev> and every 10 second we need the telemetry
[20:11] <anerdev> and the problem is that NTX2 is too slow
[20:11] <mfa298> You can choose any of the baud rates listed in dl-fldigi with the ntx2(b) - but slower rates are generally easier to receive
[20:11] <Vaizki> ntx2 can go much higher than 50 baud, I have tried it at 1200 baud ok
[20:12] <Vaizki> but the faster your baud rate, the harder it is to receive as mfa298 said
[20:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> if you gonna send up a balloon at 0,5 m/s it cant be verry windy or it will long be out of range before it reach 20000m
[20:13] <craag> Yes keeping it in range for 11 hours will be difficult!
[20:14] <mfa298> I suspect filling and launching for a .5 m/s rate could be fun as well.
[20:14] <mfa298> No trees for a good distance, no ground winds
[20:14] <craag> Fill inside
[20:15] <anerdev> uhmmm
[20:15] <craag> The major problem is how far it might go in the 11 hours
[20:15] <anerdev> uhmm
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> over half of europa probably
[20:16] <anerdev> isn't a problem crag, because this ratio ask to us from ENAC, the civil controller of airplane for a project
[20:16] <craag> Are you planning to recover it?
[20:16] <anerdev> ok ok guys ... I will tell to my teacher to this problem
[20:16] <craag> Could be done, but might need ~11 hours of driving to stay near it.
[20:17] <anerdev> crag yes, but if we lost isn't a problem (isn't the priority) the important is to receive the telemetry correct in real time
[20:17] <anerdev> kraag we have helicptor =D
[20:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> seems a very strange restriction for an ATC to request ? I would think they would want it thru the airspace asap !
[20:17] <mfa298> if it travels a long distance you might need to be following it to keep getting data otherwise it could be out of range
[20:19] <craag> helicopter will run out of fuel :P
[20:19] <anerdev> craag lol
[20:19] <anerdev> mfa298 we have multiple radio station, with multiple air spy
[20:19] <craag> Also if there's a requirement to have *all* the data, you can't guarantee that with rtty
[20:19] <anerdev> but I think the best solution is NTX2 with 50 baud and a speed up around 4/5 m/s with 30 second sample rate
[20:19] <craag> so you might want to log to an sdcard and recover.
[20:19] <anerdev> crag there is an sd card. But if we lost the balloon is a problem to read
[20:19] <craag> sure - I just mean as backup
[20:19] <anerdev> yep
[20:19] <anerdev> so ... thank you guys
[20:19] <craag> What's the project measuring?
[20:20] <anerdev> for now the hardware configuration is: arduino mega, arduino GSM shield, spark fun sd shield, Ublox-8 GPS, NTX2B, AIR SPY and 434 mhz amp and filter
[20:20] <anerdev> crag temperature, pressure, humidity and other gas that for now I don't know what
[20:20] <craag> Ah so nothing particularly exotic?
[20:21] <craag> Just a standard radiosonde really?
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> just get a vaisala radiosonde and send up ;)
[20:21] <anerdev> craag yep
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.instacat.info/
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> but thats not as fun :)
[20:21] <anerdev> huahua
[20:21] <craag> Cool, good luck!
[20:22] <anerdev> thank you craag =D
[20:22] <anerdev> now I need only to buy yogi antenna, car mag antenna
[20:22] <anerdev> and other little stuff
[20:22] <anerdev> for the antenna where can I buy ? Farnell and ?
[20:22] <anerdev> a good quality antenna
[20:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Arrow get good recomendations for Yagi http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/440-5ii.html
[20:27] <anerdev> Geoff thank you =D and for mag ?
[20:28] <anerdev> and there is a shop where can I buy a prepared antenna for the balloon
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Not for the balloon as its usually custom for the payload build
[20:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> For mobile whip I use this on our vehicle http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/amateur-radio/antennas/mobile-antennas/comet-sbb2
[20:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> you will need a base to suit magmount or clip
[20:31] <anerdev> thank you I'm searching the base in the site
[20:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/search/?search=magmount
[20:34] <anerdev> yes, I'm searching the PL259 version
[20:35] <anerdev> not found O.0
[20:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> SO239 is the socket for a PL259
[20:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> confusing YES!
[20:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_connector
[20:38] <anerdev> found http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/antenna-accessories/mounts-and-masts/nevada-mts-050
[20:38] <anerdev> thank you Geoofff
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup that would be fine
[20:39] <anerdev> =D
[20:39] <anerdev> thank you guys for all help
[20:39] <anerdev> every time
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> you will need an adaptor down to Aorspy SMA
[20:40] <anerdev> yep
[20:40] <anerdev> I have =D
[20:41] <anerdev> thank you guys, again
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[21:02] <Ian_> Quite a different equipment design paradigm from that adopted by DL7AD - for example - Vorsprung . . . !
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[21:06] <sumie-dh> hi all, today around 10 DFM radiosondes from Germany fell near Prague , lauchtime was something between 7:00-13:00 UTC, know somebody what was point of this measurement or test?
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[21:08] <eroomde> if any land near warsaw then we'll have to intervene
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[21:11] <Reb-SM3U1C> evening all
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[21:21] <chris_99> http://priceonomics.com/the-increasing-scarcity-of-helium/
[21:29] <Laurenceb__> we need to solve the problem... with fusion power
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[21:35] <chris_99> heh, apparently you don't get a whole lot of helium from that though, or so i've heard
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[21:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS8
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