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[04:11] <KF5WYX> Hi all
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[05:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
[05:05] <Darkside> heh, continuing on for lap #2
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[05:52] <Reb-SM3ULC> not very sppedy
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[06:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5NVX-12 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5NVX-12
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[09:47] <LunarWork> hello
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[10:04] <infaddict> hey LunarWork
[10:04] <infaddict> Quiet this morning
[10:04] <fsphil> tuesday has that effect on people
[10:05] <DL7AD> morn
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[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=default_chase
[10:14] <eroomde> morning infaddict
[10:14] <eroomde> all well?
[10:16] <infaddict> all good here thanks. apart from a 5am callout at work that is.
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[10:16] <eroomde> ouch
[10:17] <eroomde> must be done soon tho :)
[10:17] <infaddict> as usual, somebody elses problem. RCA in progress. which roughly translates to "lets delay this until everybody forgot it happened"
[10:18] <infaddict> luckily i have remote connection, so was in/out in an hour and back to bed for an hour
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[10:18] <eroomde> RCA?
[10:18] <infaddict> root cause analysis
[10:18] <infaddict> the amount of TLA's in my organisation is worrying
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[10:19] <infaddict> "Now is not the time for a witch hunt"... "That's for tomorrow!"
[10:23] <eroomde> i suppose we have plenty of RCAs too
[10:24] <eroomde> but just don't call them that
[10:24] <infaddict> mmm in my world of software and paper money, the worst that happens is a few billion go missing. yours could be a bit more explosive ;-)
[10:26] <mfa298> infaddict: no ETLAs ?
[10:27] <infaddict> ooh a 4 letter acronym! never come across that one mfa298
[10:28] <mfa298> Extended TLAs for when three letters aren't enough.
[10:28] <infaddict> hehe
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[10:41] <eroomde> habby stuff: http://www.wired.com/2015/06/google-testing-balloons-giant-air-force-freezer/?mbid=social_twitter
[10:42] <eroomde> (sorry, wired)
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[10:46] <number10> they have an auto launcher now
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[11:08] <SpeedEvil> Though that's banned in california.
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[11:28] <fsphil> what photoshop's sharpen filter thinks pluto looks like: http://i.imgur.com/AIzpkPz.png
[11:28] <fsphil> wonder how much of that is real
[11:29] <fsphil> it would be nice to try it in the raw data instead of jpegs
[11:31] <craag> do they actually receive it in raw, or jpeg?
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> they release in raw too
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> AIUI
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> you can in principle try to deconvolve the pics yourself
[11:33] <Laurenceb> sorry wired indeed
[11:33] <craag> Ah cool - dunno how bw constrained they are.. I should do some reading..
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/
[11:33] <Laurenceb> thats like the BBC horizon of magazines
[11:34] <fsphil> they release jpeg on their website
[11:34] <fsphil> but it'll be lossless from the spacecraft
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: maybe.
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> The final images - as I understand it - will be compressed
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> If I cared enough, I would download the image and work out what the quality factor was
[11:35] <fsphil> the images on the website suffer from jpeg artifacts
[11:36] <fsphil> they definitly don't use jpeg from the spacecraft
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> They do
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Or they can
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Since NASA's Deep Space Network has to track other missions besides New Horizons, the team plans to produce a lossy compressed browse data set that can be sent down more quickly. The browse dataset will be downlinked before the end of 2015; the complete dataset will be downlinked after the browse dataset.
[11:37] <fsphil> they certainly *could*
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Mission/Spacecraft/Data-Collection.php
[11:37] <fsphil> but it still won't be jpeg
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> The question is if DSN time is being spent on this
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> I'm sure I recall someone saying jpeg
[11:38] <fsphil> it'll be some fancy wavelet based system
[11:38] <craag> how old is the spacecraft?
[11:39] <fsphil> launched in 2006, so the hardware is probably a fair bit older
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[11:40] <fsphil> should still be a fast enough processor to handle fairly modern compression methods
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[11:41] <fsphil> hmm, I see lots of references to JPEG too
[11:41] <fsphil> that would be a surprise
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> They're going to return all of the data eventually losslessly.
[11:44] <mfa298> whats the betting someone said something like "using a lossy compression system like JPEG" which then got interpretted by the media as JPEG
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> JPEGs artifacts are well understood, so it may be considered a reasonable trade
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> Also not impossible
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> we're just lucky it's not animated gif
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> I can't find any in-depth papers.
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> There are actual schematics of Philae floating around
[11:45] <fsphil> mfa298: that's what I thought, but it might actually be JPEG
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> Not complete ones, and it lacks the firmware info.
[11:46] <craag> jpeg is quite good at what it does, especially was in pre-2006, and there's a lot of support around for it - would make sense.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> 2006 on an embedded rad-hard low-power platform.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> So, 1992.
[11:47] <Laurenceb> its not like they dont have plenty of time to run the compression :P
[11:48] <fsphil> plenty of time to optimise the encoder :)
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - DSN
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> Slow bitrate is slow.
[11:49] <fsphil> the most distant JPEG encoder in history
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[11:49] <SpeedEvil> slower than 2400bps
[11:49] <fsphil> did the voyagers do any kind of compression?
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> I vaguely remmeber mention of run-length
[11:51] <fsphil> http://history.nasa.gov/computers/Ch6-2.html
[11:51] <fsphil> "Voyager Project officials decided to use the Flight Data System in dual processor mode for the first time for the Uranus encounter to provide image data compression. Thus, the information content remained high even though the transmission rate was grossly reduced"
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:52] <fsphil> no details though
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[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> surely jpg would be useless on these images as they are mainly luminace rather than colour info jpg only compresses colour data ?
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Nope.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> JPG deals with two chrominance and one luminance field
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> the chrominance fields are subsampled - so are at 16*16 resolution
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> From memory, there is also a black and white mode, where the chrominance (is tha the word) fields are entirely omitted, not just mostly compressed away because of low info
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[12:24] <fsphil> jpeg's compression is mainly in the quantisation of high frequency data
[12:24] <fsphil> it can also reduce the colour data
[12:24] <fsphil> these images will be single channel
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[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah ok another thing learned today!
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[13:04] <christop_> daveake: any current issues in Lora branch of PITs?
[13:06] <daveake> nope
[13:07] <daveake> The APRS branch will disappear soon as that's now ready for the master branch
[13:08] <daveake> Same will happen to the LoRa branch sometime after
[13:09] <christop_> Ok just been trying some basic bits and for life of me always get call sign Pi_SKY_TEST. Change in pisky.txt in both normal position and LoRa call sign.
[13:09] <daveake> Have you killed/restarted the tracker program?
[13:10] <christop_> yep, even rebuilt from scratch to eliminate the fact that the first time i had been using the sd card for normal pits.
[13:11] <daveake> and this is in the telemetry or ssdv ?
[13:11] <daveake> and finally, how are you editing the pisky file?
[13:12] <daveake> "Pi_SKY_TEST" does not exist in the code at all, only in the config file
[13:12] <christop_> telemerty as seen both on scrren out on the tracker and also on received data on gateway. File has been edited with nano
[13:13] <christop_> yeah i did do a scan myself as can normally troubleshoot some basics.
[13:13] <christop_> the tracker had never been run before i made the changes to the pisky.txt
[13:14] <christop_> A 2nd issue is i only ever seem to send 4 telemetry strings before something stops it. But was trying to sort one issues at a time.
[13:15] <daveake> You're really editing /boot/pisky.txt?
[13:15] <christop_> yes
[13:15] <daveake> I'm out of suggestions then
[13:15] <daveake> That's where the payload ID comes from and there's no default in the code
[13:15] <fsphil> paste it into pastebin?
[13:15] <christop_> any other chnage does make a difference, i agree with what your saying hence why i ended up asking.
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[13:25] <christop_> Just checking something
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[13:44] <christop_> Have to admit i'm not sure what i changed but it appears to be fine as far as payload id now. It may just me getting confused as have to swap over sd cards between pi's to make the changes. Did check using card in pc and it seemed ok.
[13:48] <daveake> ok
[13:49] <daveake> Like I said, the payload ID has to come from that file - the program will exit with an error if it's not there - so there's no default
[13:50] <christop_> I beleive i must be causing my issue when i exit file. I''m using sudo nano/boot/pisky.txt to edit and exit using ctrl x and Y to save.
[13:51] <christop_> but i dont shutdown the pi cleanly before powering off and this seems to be leading to the changes not taking.
[13:51] <fsphil> use the poweroff command
[13:51] <daveake> I do sudo halt
[13:51] <christop_> yeah i really shoudl and will in future,
[13:52] <christop_> will do some more testing later when head had a rest.
[13:52] <christop_> to much new toys and excitment
[13:53] <daveake> ^ don't understand
[13:53] <daveake> how can that be? :)
[13:54] <eroomde> 'sync' might help in the situation
[13:55] <daveake> halt does do a sync unless told otherwise (-n)
[14:04] <Oddstr13> *pulls power from pi*
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[14:24] <James-RPF> HI,
[14:25] <fsphil> afternoon
[14:25] <James-RPF> I have a LoRa gateway receiving telemetry from a test payload, how do I get that date plotted on habhub?
[14:25] <James-RPF> **data**
[14:27] <James-RPF> I've registered a payload doc, but only for the RTTY data
[14:29] <daveake> You just need a payload doc for the LoRa payload ID
[14:31] <daveake> Same as you've done, but with the correct payload ID for LoRa, and you don't need to fill in the "Radio and telemetry configuration" section
[14:31] <James-RPF> Thanks Dave
[14:32] <James-RPF> I'll get on that, hopefully will appear shortly
[14:32] <daveake> Check http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ if it doesn't appear
[14:34] <daveake> Also, if this is my gateway code, make sure that the habitat upload is enabled in gateway.txt
[14:34] <James-RPF> ahh cool, RPF-PITS is there, going to rename though
[14:35] <James-RPF> yeah enabled habitat upload
[14:38] <daveake> Pretty much every time I look at that logfile it's full of fails for $$BC04S
[14:39] <daveake> which is annoying when you're trying to read something
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[14:42] <fsphil> who is BC04S?
[14:43] <daveake> OM3BC
[14:44] <daveake> Last seen here in December I think
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:08] <James-RPF> Daveake, I've aded paylaod doc, but still getting No configuration doc for 'RPF-PITS-LoRa' found
[15:09] <daveake> You haven't filled in the "Parser configuration" section
[15:09] <daveake> You need to do that just the same as for RTTY
[15:10] <daveake> Easiest thing is to copy your existing RTTY document, and change the payload ID in that section.
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[15:21] <James-RPF> How do I delete payload docs?
[15:25] <UpuWork> you don't
[15:25] <UpuWork> the most recent takes precidence
[15:25] <James-RPF> right ok
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[15:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-PITS-LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-PITS-LoRa
[15:35] <fsphil> magic
[15:39] <James-RPF> sorted :-)
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[15:49] <UpuWork> should be sending images fairly quickly that
[15:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[15:49] <UpuWork> could use 2 of those boards to do some off network comms between 2 Pi's
[15:51] <fsphil> need to write a little network driver for it
[15:51] <fsphil> give it a proper interface in linux
[15:52] <fsphil> then you could ssh into a payload
[15:52] <mattbrejza> ssh into your payload during flight
[15:52] <fsphil> or mosh
[15:53] <mattbrejza> jon spent months trying to ssh over aprs/ax25
[15:53] <fsphil> would need a small MTU
[15:53] <fsphil> really?
[15:53] <fsphil> tried it last year, seemed simple enough
[15:53] <fsphil> had IRC and HTTP going over it too
[15:54] <mattbrejza> he had to cross compile on a separate machine
[15:54] <fsphil> ah
[15:54] <fsphil> I just used two x86 boxes
[15:54] <mattbrejza> it was a pre-pi pi-like board
[15:54] <fsphil> I setup an IRC server and had someone about 30km away connect into it
[15:54] <fsphil> worked really well
[15:55] <mattbrejza> was this coordinated over normal irc?
[15:55] <fsphil> yea
[15:55] <mattbrejza> heh
[15:55] <fsphil> each client had a static IP
[15:56] <fsphil> didn't want to have DHCP running on it
[15:56] <fsphil> wonder if that would even work
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[16:11] <_charlie> that sounds really cool
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[16:15] <_charlie> ps46 steady as a rock
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[17:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BWELLS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BWELLS
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[18:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FIRESTAR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FIRESTAR
[18:31] <_charlie> most impressive record
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[18:37] <marsballoon> join /habhub
[18:38] <marsballoon> join #habhub
[18:38] <fsphil> you need the forward slaash first: /join #habhub
[18:45] <marsballoon> Thanks - third time lucky
[18:52] <andew> /join #habhub
[18:52] <andew> ops :D
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[20:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9PON-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9PON-11
[20:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF7ZFJ-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7ZFJ-2
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[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> jupiter quite prominent in the western sky again :)
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[21:05] <DL7AD> does anyone know the frequency and mode os DBSEDS6?
[21:05] <DL7AD> UBSEDS6
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[21:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> DL7AD: $$UBSEDS7 (434.6MHz, USB RTTY 50 Baud 400Hz Shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits)
[21:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> read more here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/tskgzybgo6c
[21:08] <Reb-SM3U1C> SA6BSS-Mike: gokväll. dax att sova igen... :) en t2-pinne på väg i posten iaf.
[21:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> tjena, ja man luras av den ljusa kvällen, men det är som sagt snart läggdags :)4
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[21:21] <Laurenceb__> grr I keep coming up with nutty fusion ideas
[21:22] Action: Laurenceb__ is reading about macron fusion
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[21:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kc9pon-11_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kc9pon-11_chase
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[21:44] <DL7AD> my next solar balloon launch takes place next weekend in Vienna: http://www.21erhaus.at/en/ausstellungen/ausstellungsvorschau/tomas-saraceno---becoming-aerosolar-e208818
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[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
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