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[04:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
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[06:34] <krish> r u there Geooff
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[06:35] <krish> pls help me .what frequencies can i use in india and what tracking techniques are legal india
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[07:12] <krish> pls help me .what frequencies can i use in india and what tracking techniques are legal india
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[07:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
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[08:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[08:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03DOGE2 10(f15c), 03Justus-2 10(1b49), 03Vortex Kiruna 2015 Flight 1 10(e46b), 03SP5NVX 144.675  10(f11f)
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[08:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03doge2 car2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=doge2%20car2_chase
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[08:59] <daveake> Hmmmm. this DOGE2 flight seems to have the wrong permission
[08:59] <daveake> "
[08:59] <daveake> H2265/15: Captive balloon/kite flying will take place "
[09:00] <daveake> It does also say "LOWER: Surface, UPPER: Unlimited" so that's a bit strange
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[09:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DF0AIS after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DF0AIS
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[09:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Does also say in the notes that its a Met Balloon release descending by parachute
[09:15] <daveake> yup
[09:16] <daveake> Perhaps put into the wrong category by the CAA
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL9UL-2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL9UL-2_chase
[09:19] <christop_> daveake: any idea what version of Pits Hab supplies have at moment?
[09:20] <daveake> ping Upu ^
[09:20] <christop_> daveake:reason i ask is wanting to add LoRa Tracker and just reading notes
[09:20] <daveake> You can add a single lora regardless
[09:21] <daveake> It's the second one that's on the same spi channel as the adc
[09:22] <christop_> ok cheers, should spend more time reading as does say that in notes.
[09:22] <daveake> it does :)
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[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DG8AR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG8AR_chase
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[09:35] <Upu> hey christop_
[09:35] <Upu> the latests
[09:35] <Upu> 2.4 ?
[09:35] <Upu> it works with LoRa
[09:35] <Upu> only got a few left though
[09:36] <Upu> 2.31
[09:36] <Upu> 2.4 is due out soon but nothing really changed, we just used a different ADC
[09:37] <daveake> and enhanced labelling :p
[09:37] <Upu> oh yes
[09:37] <Upu> we made it a little clearer which way was up
[09:37] <Upu> because
[09:38] <Upu> all our customers are amazing
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[10:03] <fsphil> diplomacy
[10:04] <daveake> some are particularly amazing
[10:04] <LazyLeopard> ...at finding the weirdest ways to do things... interestingly?
[10:04] <Upu> you have no idea LazyLeopard
[10:05] <daveake> Got that photo of the one at 180 degrees?
[10:05] <Upu> nope
[10:05] <daveake> I'm sure you habe
[10:05] <daveake> ve
[10:05] <Upu> Don't think I kept it
[10:06] <LazyLeopard> Ah. REAL USERS. Can find the one wrong way of doing something that completely logs the system for days...
[10:06] <Upu> as it made me feel like I wasn't part of the human race, something that is the same species as me look at those parts and came to that conclusion
[10:06] <LazyLeopard> locks the system, even...
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[10:09] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/sHZzClZ.jpg
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[10:09] <daveake> Fortunatelt, I never delete anything http://i.imgur.com/BI2RMMi.jpg
[10:09] <Upu> beat you
[10:09] <daveake> hah!
[10:10] <fsphil> would make a good unmotivation poster
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[10:10] <Darkside> lol
[10:10] <Darkside> upside down
[10:11] <Upu> and the wrong way
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[10:11] <daveake> Who could ever think that this was the correct orientation?
[10:11] <LazyLeopard> Ah. There are two ways this plug and this socket will go together. One of them is correct. The other, not so much...
[10:12] <daveake> Anyway new board has a "This way up" label on one side
[10:12] <daveake> and "If you can see this you're an idiot" on the other
[10:12] <daveake> or something like that
[10:13] <Upu> didn't use the word idiot
[10:14] <fsphil> in your head you did
[10:14] <Upu> guilty
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[10:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial DF0AIS
[10:16] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Latest dials for 03JKG2b 10(1b49): 03144.389 MHz, 145.7 MHz, 144.3875 MHz
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[10:20] <christop_> Upu: thnaks
[10:21] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/BggvxX3.jpg
[10:21] <christop_> Order placed along with two others over past week. If you want just combine them all for shipping.
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[10:22] <Upu> have I shipped any yet ?
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[10:23] <Upu> nope
[10:23] <Upu> I'll sort postage out
[10:23] <Upu> you'll need a big letter box :)
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[10:26] <Upu> Did DOGE do a refreshed doc
[10:26] <Upu> !flights
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Current flights: 03DOGE2 10(f15c), 03Justus-2 10(1b49), 03Vortex Kiruna 2015 Flight 1 10(e46b), 03SP5NVX 144.675  10(f11f)
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[10:26] <Upu> jolly good
[10:26] <Upu> !track DOGE2
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DOGE2
[10:27] <krish> pls suggest best 145.765 MHz APRS packet radio transmitter devices from india
[10:27] <christop_> Just as long as wife dont catch me
[10:27] <Upu> hey krish
[10:27] <Upu> thats an odd frequency is that the standard there ?
[10:28] <fsphil> one month to pluto [ot]
[10:28] <Upu> yes
[10:29] <krish> hai Upu actually iam not much expect in frequencies and devices .iam into software and interested to launch HAB
[10:29] <Upu> if you're not a licensed amateur you're not going to be able to (legally) use APRS
[10:29] <Upu> and I suspect the APRS coverage in India isn't great
[10:29] <Upu> I don't have any information on what frequencies you can use though sorry
[10:30] <Upu> you may need to investigate that locally
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[10:31] <Upu> Frequency Band: 865-867 MHz
[10:31] <Upu> Low power RFID equipments or any other low power wireless devices or equipments
[10:31] <Upu> Power: Maximum transmitter output power of 1 Watt ( 4 Watts Effective Radiated Power)Carrier Bandwidth: 200 KHz
[10:31] <Upu> Reference: GSR 564 ( E) dated 30 July 2008
[10:31] <pd3t> morning
[10:31] <Upu> doesn't look like you get 434Mhz
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[10:31] <krish> okey and...?
[10:32] <krish> any suggestions?
[10:32] <Upu> www.arsi.info/images/wpc78full.pdf
[10:33] <pd3t> krish: find a radio amateur that will be interested
[10:35] <krish> according to http://www.wpc.dot.gov.in/Static/gazette2502.html devices at 50-200KHz frequencies dont require licensing
[10:40] <eroomde> that's not an easy frequency to transmit or receive
[10:40] <eroomde> practically speaking, for most applications
[10:42] <krish> ok.
[10:43] <Darkside> to get any sort of antenna efficiency you are talking antennas many km long
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> Well. A full wavelength at 200khz is 1500m.
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> That's sort-of-playsible to deploy from a HAB
[10:45] <Darkside> incredibly dangerous though
[10:46] <Darkside> thats the kind of thing that *will* it powerlines
[10:46] <Darkside> hit*
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> yes
[10:46] <Darkside> again, why we haven't flown a HF payload again here in australia
[10:46] <Darkside> too many near misses
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> I'd only consider it for something going over ocean with a termination system
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> - perhaps only to drop the wire
[10:47] <pd3t> krish: find a loal radio amateur and ask him if he will be willing to help out. Then you could use 144.800 aprs frequency with his callsign.
[10:48] <krish> thanks every one for your valuable information
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[10:51] <pd3t> in new delhi there is http://www.vigyanprasar.gov.in/ham/aprs/ vigyan prasar
[10:56] <pd3t> !flight df0ais
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Flight 10(1b49): 03Justus-2 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 08:00 from 03Karlsruhe, Germany 10(49.1207,8.59126)
[10:56] <pd3t> !dial df0ais
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pd3t: Latest dials for 03JKG2b 10(1b49): 03144.3885 MHz, 144.389 MHz, 144.39 MHz
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[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5NVX after 0310 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5NVX
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[11:11] <Herman-PB0AHX> Green VVVVV $$DF0AIS,339,11:09:58,49.363204,8.893857,12099,42,57,25509,0,9999,-2243,-3456,-925,8906,16475,-2520,454,445*E45
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[11:14] <tweetBot> @MalbikEndar: Tracking High Altitude Balloon with #airspy #sdrsharp #fldigi #ukhas ....and adjusting BFG2000 :) http://t.co/KuyVtbRpa8
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> BBC reporting that Philae has awoken ....
[11:21] <bradfirj> Woohoo
[11:21] <bradfirj> Solar panels work, who knew :P
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[11:22] <daveake> exxxxxxxxxxxcellent
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nothing from Matt Taylor however ...
[11:22] <Upu> thats awesome
[11:22] <bradfirj> I hope he's wearing another fantastic shirt
[11:23] <bradfirj> Just so we can watch "that lot" have a collective hernia again
[11:24] <Vaizki> I hope he's shirtless
[11:24] <Upu> lol
[11:24] <Upu> you spent too much time alone on your island Vaizki ?
[11:24] <Vaizki> I am here right now actually :)
[11:24] <Vaizki> and it's RAINING like crazy
[11:25] <Upu> last few days they thought they'd found it
[11:25] <Vaizki> I am pondering whether I have the energy (and waterproof clothing) to get back to the mainland and drive home today or just wait until tomorrow
[11:26] <bradfirj> Yeah there was enough light from the sun to start looking for reflections in the image data
[11:26] <bradfirj> I think they estimated that even when it got back into direct sunglight it would take an indeterminate time for the heaters to warm the equipment up to a point where it could communicate again
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[11:27] <Upu> wonder if its been awake for a while
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> well it will have been warm thats certain!ing u
[11:27] <Vaizki> they should not send out any more probes like that without nuke batteries
[11:27] <bradfirj> I'd imagine the first high power component that gets fired up would be a low bandwidth transmitter
[11:27] <bradfirj> so probably not that long
[11:27] <bradfirj> ?
[11:27] <daveake> First message from it will be "Has anyone found B66 yet?"
[11:27] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: Woo! #ukhas https://t.co/rSpntfMJul
[11:32] <Seeker> SP5NVX appears to have gone to McDonald§. Its out in the carpark, being sick... :-)
[11:39] <daveake> http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/06/14/rosettas-lander-philae-wakes-up-from-hibernation/
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[11:42] <fsphil> oh wow
[11:44] <daveake> Looking forward to SarcaticRover's take on this :)
[11:44] <daveake> +s
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[11:45] <Vaizki> "Philae shut down on 15 November 2015 at 1:15 CET"
[11:45] <Vaizki> it's from the future!
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[11:59] <pe2bz> !payload df0ais
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> 03pe2bz: Payload 03JKG2b 10(1b49) 03$$DF0AIS - 03Primary - 03144.389 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[11:59] <fsphil> transmitted for two minutes
[11:59] <fsphil> wonder if that was its first attempt
[12:00] <eroomde> apparently so
[12:00] <Vaizki> stuck at 12099 meters..
[12:00] <fsphil> 8000 packets in memory
[12:01] <Vaizki> not in flight mode?
[12:01] <fsphil> it's been awake a while. that's cool
[12:01] <Vaizki> I mean df0ais, not philae :)
[12:01] <fsphil> hah
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[12:01] <fsphil> it's stuck in ground mode
[12:02] <Vaizki> yea no horisontal movement either
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[12:08] <pe2bz> If DF0AIS comes back below 12km could that get the tracking back ?
[12:08] <daveake> yes
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[12:14] <pe2bz> Tnx Dave
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[12:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
[12:29] <pe2bz> I would say DF0AIS is close to burst now.
[12:30] <lz1dev> !whereis DF0AIS
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03DF0AIS is over 03Karlsruhe, Germany 10(49.3632,8.89385) at 0312099 meters
[12:36] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DOGE2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DOGE2
[12:41] <pe2bz> !payload doge2
[12:41] <SpacenearUS> 03pe2bz: Payload 03DOGE2 10(f15c) 03$$DOGE2 - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/240Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> just visible on the wf now, another few minutes to decode!
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[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/DOGE2_20150614/
[12:47] <pe2bz> !dial doge2
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> 03pe2bz: Latest dials for 03DOGE2 10(f15c): 03434.2976 MHz, 434.280399 MHz
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> <<2015-06-14T12:48Z RTTY @ 434649132+1012>>
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[12:51] <MSP_> We've just launched Doge2 from Sutton near Macclesfield. Going quite well.
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[12:53] <infaddict> MSP_: good luck, hope you miss the M1 !
[12:54] <MSP_> thanks :) Yep I think we will tracking is going well :) )
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[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/DOGE2_20150614/index.php?ind=1
[12:55] Nick change: boots -> Guest80016
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[13:00] <christop_> !dial doge2
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> 03christop_: Latest dials for 03DOGE2 10(f15c): 03434.649152 MHz, 434.280399 MHz, 434.6488 MHz, 434.6481 MHz
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[13:02] <MSP_> yep, touch wood, it's going pretty well at the moment,. We are in the Hanging Gate Inn near Macclesfield after the launch - tracking.
[13:03] <Garymortimer_> That's a very fine plan
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[13:08] <Garymortimer_> I wonder if its looking at ogston reservoir
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[13:10] <Seeker> Cheers!
[13:12] <MSP_> yep always worried about the water near Clay Pool. Hopefully it should miss,
[13:12] <M0JCU> Vortex countdown has started at T-4 hours.
[13:13] <MSP_> oops mean Clay Cross
[13:13] <M0JCU> Aiming for 17:00 UT launch
[13:13] <Garymortimer_> Very nice part of the world to be chasing a balloon
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[13:13] <infaddict> what happened to the starting altitude MSP_?
[13:13] <MSP_> yep. @ MOJCU, Good luck m8
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE_> It wasn't picked up for a while
[13:14] <infaddict> ah right, thx Geoff-G8DHE_
[13:14] <MSP_> I'm not sure. We were really worried, started texting the dude who registered us and suddenly it appeared on HabHub (we were having some issues with teh GPS so were pretty worried).
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Were you listening for it at the launch site ?
[13:15] <MSP_> $$DOGE2,81,12:03:31,53.22417,-2.06603,429,7,5.47,14.7,968.9,-1.0, Hi from Manchester*D669 Was the starting telemetry if that's any use
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Could be
[13:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Bootsonfire_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Bootsonfire_chase
[13:15] <MSP_> no, tbh we are a bit crappy at this. Our main guys couldn't make it today so we have to put up with amateurs :)
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[13:16] <infaddict> its in the air and hasnt crapped out yet - so pretty good so far anyway ;-)
[13:17] <craag> It's often a good idea to check the tracker is working, and uploading to the map before launching
[13:17] <craag> (says the guy who didn't check last minute once, and launched a dead tracker with only ssdv.)
[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5NVX-12
[13:17] <infaddict> the launch site looks rural, wonder if 3G was an issue
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[13:18] <infaddict> ive bought a backup dongle from another provider in case my phone has no signal, but still no guarantees
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> MSP_, There you go http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/DOGE2_20150614/index.php?ind=4
[13:19] <craag> Three seems to be the best for rural 2G/3G coverage, with vodafone second.
[13:20] <infaddict> thx craag... i'm on EE for my handset and bought a vodaphone dongle (primarily cos it was cheapest, also seemed to have decent coverage)
[13:20] <infaddict> need to sort out a firewall/filter for my MBP as worried I will eat the 1GB of data quickly otherwise
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Have noticed that Three seem to be dropping areas compared to last year down here in the South
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[13:21] <christop_> EE had a good deal for past month or so over festival period. Picked up 100GB for a month for £10
[13:21] <infaddict> 100? wow
[13:21] <craag> wow nice
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> very
[13:21] <christop_> even sent me sim free
[13:22] <christop_> Not sur eif still available http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/two-months-100gb-4g-data-total-201gb-for-60-days-for-just-10-ee-mobile-inc-tethering-2209042
[13:22] <infaddict> defo wouldve got that if not on EE already (unlimited with tethering)
[13:23] <christop_> sweet
[13:23] <craag> I need to upgrade my chasecar-net to 4G
[13:24] <Garymortimer_> I note the bumpmill brewer is open today not a million miles from landing
[13:24] <craag> seems to be getting a lot cheaper than 3g per data
[13:24] <Upu> !track doge2
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=doge2
[13:25] <infaddict> yer craag i have been comparing the 2 and noticed that. but wasnt sure if tracking stuff really warranted 4G.
[13:25] <craag> irc + dlfldigi. nope :P
[13:25] <craag> Works fine on 2G :)
[13:25] <infaddict> but any mapping stuff is a bit heavier usage
[13:25] <christop_> Is Doge2 seending a message as well? Struggling to decode but do get Hi from Manchester
[13:26] <Upu> !dial doge2
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03DOGE2 10(f15c): 03434.280399 MHz, 434.6488 MHz, 434.65112 MHz, 434.6481 MHz, 434.64892 MHz, 434.65115 MHz
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes some text in the telelmetry string
[13:26] <craag> infaddict: I use OSM apps (such as Matt's Modem and Tracker) with offline mapping
[13:26] <infaddict> yep i have ViewRanger 1:25,000 offline maps on my iPhone which I plan to use if I have no signal for laptop maps.
[13:27] <infaddict> defo need an offline option i think otherwise v risky
[13:27] <craag> Dave has one on his tablet (backcountry navigator??)
[13:28] <christop_> One option might be http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/12/anywhere-sim-uk-roaming/ but is 5p a mb roaming.
[13:28] <christop_> Still got to have some sort of signal mind
[13:28] <christop_> used an isel of man sim in those gsm trackers before so it roams on all uk networks. Would be expensive for data. http://www.manxtelecom.com/mobile/tariff-plans/pay-as-you-go.aspx
[13:30] <pb5a> He he..!
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[13:32] <infaddict> DOGE2 getting very close to landing on the M1
[13:33] <infaddict> Or on Tibshelf services ;-)
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[13:36] <infaddict> after a long nap... http://news.sky.com/story/1501893/europes-comet-probe-philae-has-woken-up
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[13:41] <MSP_> Doge2 got higher than Doge1 :) A new record for us
[13:41] <christop_> Well manage one successful decode.. Not to bad as just a Yagi in window
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03doge2car2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=doge2car2_chase
[13:42] <infaddict> well done MSP_ - whats your predicted burst altitude today?
[13:42] <Upu> well you need to keep going up so it stays away frok the M1
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX2 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX2
[13:46] <garymortimer> Still very much near track https://www.facebook.com/BumpmillBrewery
[13:47] <MSP_> predicted burst altitude is 35000m
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[13:47] <infaddict> thx MSP_ are you heating your payload? 26.3 nice and warm at 33000m
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[13:49] <MSP_> naa, just burst. decent rate is a bit scary :( looks like the parachute hasn't opened\
[13:49] <craag> MSP_: No air to open it at that altitude :)
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> won't until there is a bit more air around it!
[13:50] <infaddict> still reporting same altitude 33,559
[13:50] <infaddict> oops ignore me
[13:50] <infaddict> reading with hungover eyes
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/DOGE2_20150614/DOGE2_201506141350.jpg
[13:51] <MSP_> ah ok, yeah, its started to get a little slower
[13:53] <garymortimer> time to make the turn and get eyes on that reservoir again
[13:54] <infaddict> reservoir, A61 or M1. Lottery time ;-)
[13:54] <infaddict> Hopefully none of the above
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[14:00] <garymortimer> M1 back in the frame ;-)
[14:01] <garymortimer> can't really get that far can it??
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[14:04] <infaddict> mmm still descending fairly fast
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[14:07] <garymortimer> ashover brewery on track shocking website (no website) https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Ashover+Brewery/@53.1748786,-1.5695208,13z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sreal+ale!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0x77c8fc387e12e5b4?hl=en
[14:08] <MSP_> yeah lol. Even have the directors wife ringing the highways agency :/
[14:09] <garymortimer> I dont think I would rush to do that
[14:09] <craag> The motorway itself is a rather small area
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[14:09] <craag> You'd be very very unlucky to git
[14:09] <craag> *hit it
[14:09] <craag> Even with the prediction bang on
[14:10] <infaddict> yep its what, 50m wide
[14:10] <infaddict> be really really unlucky
[14:10] <craag> Maybe even with trees on both sides?
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[14:11] <garymortimer> at a guess its going to be before then
[14:11] <infaddict> yep all predictions have been West of M1 so car (or bang on it)
[14:11] <infaddict> car/far
[14:12] <garymortimer> is there anyone tracking locally?? Its beginning to be seen less
[14:14] <infaddict> so what altitude to chutes generally become effective at?
[14:15] <garymortimer> needs reviews The George & Dragon Cragg Lane Newton
[14:15] <craag> 5km should be good - it is coming in a little faster than ideal, but nothing to be worried about I think.
[14:16] <garymortimer> its slowing down
[14:16] <infaddict> thx craag - i hadnt appreciated how much of a descent was without the chute doing an awful lot
[14:17] <daveake> drag is proportional to the air density, so it starts off at bugger-all
[14:17] <infaddict> chase car is gonna need to hurry up
[14:19] <Upu> top tip : spend less time transmitting pointless text
[14:19] <infaddict> ;-)
[14:19] <daveake> top tip: check that calculation for pressure --> altitude
[14:20] <infaddict> internal temp reading seems weird. was 26 at altitude and down to 5 now
[14:20] <garymortimer> it can still see the water
[14:20] <craag> infaddict: ~50m/s pushes a bit of air into any small holes in the insulation.
[14:20] <infaddict> its gonna be lost soon i think. chase car still 10km away.
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[14:21] <craag> So you tend to get chilled a bit on the initial descent
[14:21] <infaddict> right. i was suprised at 26 deg internal at 33000m..
[14:22] <craag> Well remember that's the temp of the sensor
[14:22] <craag> probably not the air ;)
[14:22] <infaddict> true
[14:22] <bertrik> infaddict: I remember reading a simple rule of thumb here, like final descent rate is about half the rate at X kilometers high, where X was 10km IIRC
[14:22] <craag> (you have to try *really* hard not to self-heat at pressure that low)
[14:23] <garymortimer> Ok my final offer Sitwell Arms Main Rd Morton
[14:24] <infaddict> just to make things more exciting, theres also a railway line to aim for
[14:24] <infaddict> A61 -> Railway -> Reservoir
[14:24] <craag> Is that some pylons as well? :D
[14:25] Action: daveake places bet on a tree landing
[14:25] <craag> (are we managing to unnecessarily scare them yet?)
[14:26] <infaddict> i shouldnt comment, this will be me in 2 weeks
[14:26] <Upu> this signal is crap
[14:26] <garymortimer> what about those man made pits NE of sitwell
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> it will be well screened if it goes down the old dismantled railway cutting!
[14:27] <infaddict> problem is, without a local decode it could be lost
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[14:27] <christop_> Bit surprised how far behind chase cars are.
[14:28] <garymortimer> do they have a backup?
[14:28] <Upu> I'm not
[14:28] <infaddict> yep christop_ - just hope their map position is out of date
[14:28] <infaddict> far too far away
[14:28] <craag> garymortimer: I think they did mention one earlier.
[14:29] <garymortimer> shall I email the pub and let them know you are coming
[14:29] <infaddict> you still getting it Upu?
[14:30] <Upu> yeah but that stupid "hi from manchester" bit is screwing it up
[14:30] <Upu> 952m
[14:30] <christop_> It was the main thing stoppingme decoding
[14:31] <infaddict> albeit a waste of chars and time, how is that stopping decoding?
[14:31] <Upu> makes the sentence too long
[14:31] <Upu> gone
[14:31] <christop_> Was always the bit that would corrupt.
[14:31] <garymortimer> There are Daves trees
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> greater chance of error
[14:31] <Upu> spaces in it
[14:31] <Upu> messy don't do it
[14:32] <daveake> It'd be a much shorter sentence if they'd done a last minute change ...
[14:32] <daveake> .. "Hi from 67P"
[14:32] <Upu> how about
[14:32] <Upu> just don't do it :)
[14:32] <daveake> :)
[14:33] <infaddict> lets see if the chase car can pick it up
[14:34] <Lunar_Lander> so they are sending text messages along with the navigation info?
[14:34] <infaddict> yes a "hi from manchester" constant in every msg
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/DOGE2_20150614/DOGE2_201506141430.jpg
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[14:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03doge2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=doge2_chase
[14:45] <christop_> Cahse cars seem to have got in close
[14:46] <garymortimer> all on scence
[14:46] <christop_> Chase
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> looks like there at last reported position
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> which was still best part of 1Km!
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[14:47] <infaddict> yep they need to goto predicted landing surely
[14:47] <infaddict> ah another chase is near there actually
[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> well a bit further along the prediction, say on Streeton road
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> maybe Higham Lane, but we are sitting back relaxed whilst there deciding enroute ;-)
[14:50] <infaddict> so im guessing at this juncture first step is to see if magmount getting anything. if not, out with Yagi?
[14:50] <daveake> Well, finding a good place comes first
[14:50] <craag> Find a local high point ideally.
[14:50] <infaddict> right
[14:50] <infaddict> how do the dutch do it then hehe
[14:50] <daveake> Use the yagi if the signal is there but too weak for a decode
[14:51] <craag> Ideally though - be at the predicted landing and watch it come in visually ;)
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> no hills within several Kms
[14:51] <infaddict> open up the sunroof, in it comes
[14:51] <infaddict> thats my plan
[14:51] <craag> Perfect
[14:51] <craag> +100 hab points
[14:51] <infaddict> except i dont have a sunroof.
[14:52] <daveake> looking at the 2 cars on the map, they seem a tad confused, however it's usually harder in the car than we think, sat here aty home sipping tea or coffee
[14:52] <christop_> Still time with a saw
[14:52] <infaddict> agreed daveake - all too easy sitting at home. they are likely getting some readings but not uploading them perhaps
[14:52] <daveake> yes which is annoying
[14:53] <daveake> as they obviously have 3G
[14:53] <daveake> but again, their priority is to find the thing, not to keep us entertained
[14:54] <infaddict> true. but if you have 3G signal then the tech does it for you. so either they dont, or theyve disabled it in fldigi.
[14:54] <craag> or they don't have their laptops hotspotted
[14:54] <daveake> Quite likely the car position is being done on phones, and they haven't set up hotspots for their laptop(s)
[14:54] <craag> snap
[14:55] <daveake> They didn't upload at the launch site either
[14:55] <infaddict> yep but out of the 2 the chase car thingy is v low priority isnt it
[14:55] <infaddict> but as you say, phone does it for you
[14:55] <daveake> Which, you know, is pretty much the first thing I do
[14:55] <craag> internet at launch site is often regarded as unimportant
[14:55] <craag> but it helps *a lot*
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[14:56] <craag> turning up with internet *or* dl-fldigi installed is useful too... (*cough* SHARP *cough*)
[14:56] <infaddict> ha! that would help
[14:57] <garymortimer> indeed
[14:58] <Lunar_Lander> I recall that my balloon was picked up by someone in NL at 5 km
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Humm yes there are some big power lines in the area as well
[14:58] <Lunar_Lander> for spacenear
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> we had no internet on the laptops we used on site
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[14:59] <craag> Lunar_Lander: Well I hope you'll do better on your imminent next launch Lunar_Lander ;)
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:01] <craag> Announcing launch is here is nearly as good though, means people know to start looking for it.
[15:01] <craag> *on here
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[15:02] <craag> Those guys didn't, and wondered why it wasn't being received :P
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> it was close on 10Km high before F1APQ saw it first
[15:02] <infaddict> yep which is why internet at launch is a good idea if u can
[15:02] <infaddict> not only for your own upload but for getting the word out here
[15:03] <christop_> Even IRC client can be run on a phone.
[15:03] <infaddict> yep i have a crappy client but its good enough for that
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Maybe presence of pub had something to do with it ;-)
[15:04] <infaddict> yep i think they are having a pint about now!
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> actually just yesterday I was thinking about how to do it
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[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Motorised hang glider ?
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> shouldn't be that expensive nowadays
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah, mobile internet
[15:07] <garymortimer> That was the target area for the entire flight so decamping there pretty quick might have been a plan
[15:07] <infaddict> yer i thought general practice was to head to near burst area first, then when burst move rapidly towards predicted zone. they were 10km away.
[15:07] <Upu> they are in the wrong place if they are there
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> both chase are now at the same place when it passed over at least 800m above them ?
[15:07] <garymortimer> if they can hear it shielding the antenna would be plan
[15:08] <Upu> they always fall short
[15:08] <infaddict> yep they are at last known pos, not predicted
[15:08] <Upu> I'd be at the end of Higham lane
[15:08] <garymortimer> think i would be down by the old railway or in the caravan park trees
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> agreed
[15:08] <infaddict> i'd be on here asking for help ;-)
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> or hanging from the powr lines
[15:09] <Upu> correct infaddict
[15:09] <Upu> you'd be guided in
[15:09] <craag> infaddict: I tend to head straight for predicted landing.
[15:09] <daveake> It was doing 27km/h horizontally, so it must be much further SW
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:09] <Upu> within reason it changes quite a bit
[15:09] <garymortimer> and me mickley farm and back
[15:09] <Upu> just get close and follow it in with a yagi
[15:09] <Upu> lower you get it closer you'll be
[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> we lagged a bit behind
[15:09] <daveake> Well, if they don't have internet on their laptops, they don't know the predicted landing
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> and caught up with the balloon when it came down really slow
[15:10] <Upu> most of them we recieve on the ground
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> we should have been a bit quicker
[15:10] <Upu> but they always fall short
[15:10] <daveake> yup
[15:10] <craag> Prediction will often change a lot at burst - so you can wait until it's stabilised, then move to new predicted.
[15:10] <infaddict> i was suprised how well i got a signal when payload on ground (sideways). still strong when on top of nearby hills (several miles).
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> and then I did what BallastHalo-4 fell short of by 10 cm
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[15:11] <daveake> :)
[15:11] <Upu> so precise Lunar
[15:11] <Upu> so German
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[15:11] <craag> XD
[15:12] <craag> SHARP relied on telephone link to a 'mission control' back in southampton to inform them of prediction and where to go.
[15:12] <craag> the conversations were utterly unproductive.
[15:12] <daveake> I nearly beat them to it
[15:12] <DL7AD> hi
[15:12] <garymortimer> walk the fields towards the Greyhound
[15:12] <Upu> yeah infaddict when you do launch give me your number we'll happily guide you in
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[15:12] <Upu> its much harder on the ground than people think
[15:12] <daveake> yup
[15:12] <Upu> "WHY YOU NO GO IN FIELD!!"
[15:13] <daveake> "walk down the M5" :/
[15:13] <Upu> because cows, fences, angry farmers, electicity pylons, no access roads etc etc
[15:13] <Upu> lol
[15:13] <daveake> police
[15:13] <Upu> my favourite
[15:13] <Upu> "bit wet couldn't be bothered"
[15:13] <daveake> hmm yes who said that ? :)
[15:13] <infaddict> thx Upu, will do
[15:13] <garymortimer> those car positions must be wrong
[15:14] <Upu> some slack northerner
[15:14] <daveake> hah
[15:14] <Upu> If they do speed up I'm going to jump in the wife's Honda Jazz and go get it for them
[15:14] <craag> Could also be our response to the eclipse flight ;)
[15:14] <Upu> s/do/don't
[15:14] <garymortimer> they are sending pigeons
[15:14] <daveake> Best advice on IRC ever ...
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[15:15] <Elwell> eroomde: want to be named in http://blog.elwell.org.uk/2015/06/satellite-tracking-new-rotor-controller.html, or happy to be a 'someone'?
[15:15] <daveake> ... "don't worry Dave, the rain is stopping and the payload is only 100m from you"
[15:15] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/P1040634-e1342443936629-682x1024.jpg
[15:15] <Upu> bwhahah
[15:15] <craag> lol
[15:15] <daveake> 100m of Maize
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[15:15] <daveake> yup
[15:15] <craag> anti-tree t-shirt too infaddict !
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://www.google.com/maps/@53.139556,-1.40006,3a,75y,170.96h,95.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWUN8sICJxrjZIuU8YWxqZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
[15:16] <daveake> First landing that day was hot and sunny http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/P1040596-1024x682.jpg
[15:17] <infaddict> so its hanging from the power lines eh Geoff-G8DHE_
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[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> they are right across the flight path!
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[15:24] <garymortimer> My money is on the Sitwell Arms for a planning session
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[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE_> They say they are walking route from last position ....
[15:25] <infaddict> garymortimer: please keep your diary free on Sunday 28th June to provide local thirst quenching options during my tracking ;-)
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[15:26] <garymortimer> I will, its important to have a plan!
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah bootsonfire have moved
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[15:27] <infaddict> yep hopefully heading down Higham Lane
[15:27] <garymortimer> perhaps the others could walk from the other end
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[15:35] <garymortimer> i wonder if they can hear it
[15:35] <infaddict> mmm over 1 hour since last decode now
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Mcr Space Programme -?@mcrspaceprog - @G8DHE @CocoaKevin team has gone to last known location, walking the predicted route
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[15:44] <garymortimer> I see their twitter feed now
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[15:54] <daveake> Presuambly their tracker isn't transmitting then
[15:57] <garymortimer> or its recovered and its home for tea and medals
[15:58] <daveake> "walking the predicted route" .... you wouldn't do that if it was transmitting its position
[15:59] <infaddict> unless they think thats the best way to find a signal
[16:00] <infaddict> guess its the only option other than high ground
[16:01] <daveake> It's not hilly enough
[16:02] <garymortimer> antenna on antenna off or bring down sensitivity of receiver
[16:02] <infaddict> wonder why they werent near the predicted landed zone
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Aliens.
[16:02] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://twitter.com/mcrspaceprog/status/610066945455616001/photo/1
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[16:03] <infaddict> lol that explains it
[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> :)
[16:05] <daveake> bacon before the launch, beer after; don't they know the rules? :p
[16:05] <Upu> students...
[16:05] <Upu> so they haven't got it back and they are in the pub ?
[16:06] <daveake> s/after/after recovery
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> No that was pre recovery
[16:06] <Upu> ah ok
[16:06] <infaddict> that is why they werent at landing site. in the pub!
[16:10] <daveake> Pub is afterwards, assuming you can find it (<------ Upu)
[16:10] <Upu> yup
[16:12] <garymortimer> Umm thats the sort of thing a community needs to vote on I feel. Its students you are talking about as well
[16:12] <garymortimer> Being on top or at least 5km from a landing is the best plan though
[16:13] <infaddict> i wouldve thought students would have packed mobile refreshments. Ace lager. Yagermeister etc.
[16:13] <garymortimer> I see boots on fire moving with purpose
[16:14] <homeygnomey> hi, the group isn't a group of students, but a community-organised group. Average age about 40-odd!
[16:14] <infaddict> moving full stop is progress
[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX3 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX3
[16:15] <homeygnomey> I'm not sure why they chase group was so far behind, but the landing site predictions were moving around a fair bit - and it's hard to navigate those roads up in the Peaks
[16:16] <homeygnomey> which is why the chase vehicles appeared to be moving slowly at times (I think)
[16:16] <daveake> That's why you need to get to the general area quickly, before burst ideally
[16:17] <garymortimer> That was the prediction + or - throughout the flight though. Sorry I thought it was a student group
[16:17] <homeygnomey> they found DOGE1 easily. That one landed in Hull, and I think the line of sight was excellent. In the PD it's a bit trickier getting about. That's my hunch, until I hear from the team
[16:18] <garymortimer> do they have a receiver in any of the vehicles?
[16:18] <homeygnomey> BUt yes, I agree that being out further east sooner would have been more ideal
[16:19] <homeygnomey> I'm not sure. I'm not a member of the group myself (I'm from MadLab, not the MSP). I *think* so
[16:20] <daveake> Despite the name, I really doubt that Madlab would have gone out without a receiver
[16:21] <garymortimer> Dave might still be right could be in the trees on Morton Road
[16:23] <garymortimer> plenty of time until dark over there at this time of year
[16:23] <infaddict> its a tough task with no TX/RX tho. even just radio signal and no lat/long would be good for DF.
[16:24] <garymortimer> for sure
[16:24] <garymortimer> I think a tree or hedge landing is quite good for that to keep antennas elevated, not too much though
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[16:25] <infaddict> heading out now. bbl to catch up on this tale.
[16:25] <infaddict> good luck homeygnomey - hope they find it
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[16:26] <homeygnomey> just spoken to team - another recovery vehicle is out there now. And they do have a tracker.
[16:27] <daveake> So anything heard on the radio ?
[16:27] <homeygnomey> Will find out more when this RV gets to the scene
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[16:28] <daveake> Thunderbird 2 ?
[16:30] <fsphil> "duh duh-duh-duh...."
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[16:31] <garymortimer> Always the best one, am I hearing that Millibands brother is in charge of international rescue now
[16:32] <fsphil> we're doomed
[16:33] <homeygnomey> I'm at home and not with the team, everyone is driving at the mo (or in a field). Am expecting another update in 15 or so
[16:33] <garymortimer> http://www.rescue.org/david-miliband
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[16:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MADHEN after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MADHEN
[16:58] <Reb-SM3ULC> vortex-people around?
[17:00] <daveake> spinning around?
[17:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> probably
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[17:06] <M0JCU> Just working payload turn-on
[17:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> M0JCU: oki
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[17:10] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[17:10] <garymortimer> big change of position for dog2
[17:12] <garymortimer> the chase vehicle, but its back in the same area again with a leap so must be a gps thing, Heading down that bit of old railway maybe
[17:13] <garymortimer> ah new position
[17:13] <dbrooke> 2e0kpi is receiving the payload so the chase team may have raised it off the ground
[17:15] <Diane_> Hello I am Mrs kpiman
[17:15] <Diane_> We came out to look
[17:15] <dbrooke> ah right
[17:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah that explains it then!
[17:15] <Diane_> And we can hear it
[17:16] <garymortimer> You saved the day!
[17:16] <garymortimer> well done
[17:17] <homeygnomey> Wow Diane! That's amazing!
[17:17] <Diane_> Better than sitting in the house listening to nothing
[17:18] <homeygnomey> YOU'RE amazing : )
[17:18] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: @mcrspaceprog Let the search team know its been pinpointed by 2E0KPI see updated position on tracker. #ukhas #hab
[17:19] <homeygnomey> yes - thank you. will do.
[17:19] <homeygnomey> Diane - I'm trying to contact the search teams (in case they haven't found you yet)
[17:20] <dbrooke> looks like it just made it past the pylons and into middle of a field
[17:20] <garymortimer> they should check their twitter feed ;-)
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[17:20] <homeygnomey> would you be able to send me your phone number? my phone no is 07549312267 or email rachael@madlab.org.uk
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[17:21] <homeygnomey> or would you be so kind as to give me a description of whereabouts it is? I can't contact the team at the moment - so I don't know if they are aware you've found it
[17:21] <lz1dev> homeygnomey: this is a public channel, with public logs, so it's advisable not to post personal info
[17:21] <homeygnomey> thanks once again! absolutely brilliant!
[17:22] <garymortimer> I'd go and fetch it and then get supper off them somewhere posh ;-)
[17:22] <homeygnomey> thanks lz1 - my info is out there in public anyway
[17:22] <Diane_> Do you mean us?
[17:23] <Diane_> We are on higham lane about 100 m from the payload
[17:23] <homeygnomey> HI Diane, just to assure you that we are "legit" you can see our webpage: madlab.org.uk : )
[17:23] <Diane_> Not doubting you
[17:24] <daveake> I don't understand how the combined efforts of 3 chase car teams failed to find the signal
[17:24] <homeygnomey> thank you. trying to contact them - not having much luck!
[17:24] <garymortimer> Take it to the pub ;-) If the position is right one of their codes is just down the road
[17:24] <garymortimer> cars, not codes
[17:26] <garymortimer> maybe a cow has moved it
[17:26] <Diane_> Doesn't look difficult to get to
[17:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Take photo's if you can before moving it!
[17:28] <homeygnomey> thank you Diane! Still calling..
[17:28] <dbrooke> looks like someone has it
[17:28] <dbrooke> it's going up the old railway
[17:30] <daveake> it's proably fed up of waiting
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[17:34] <dbrooke> nothing like a bit of training
[17:34] <homeygnomey> Balloon and team reunited : )
[17:35] <homeygnomey> And team have met and thanked the lovely Diane
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[17:36] <dbrooke> good news, now to the pub 8-)
[17:37] Action: craag thinks the team owes them a few pints
[17:37] <garymortimer> A mention in dispatches I think
[17:38] <garymortimer> And a few pints, how far out the way did Diane and hubby travel?
[17:39] <dbrooke> about 44km as the crow flies
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[17:40] <craag> so they were able to cover that and get there before 3x chase cars that were already on the scene? O_o
[17:41] <garymortimer> Manchesters place in space does not seem assured ;-)
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[17:47] <homeygnomey> hehe @gary : )
[17:48] <daveake> This is a new one for the "Lazy person's guide to HAB"
[17:48] <homeygnomey> time to invest in some better kit methinks : )
[17:48] <daveake> Anything north of a crystal set would have got it before they were rescued
[17:48] <homeygnomey> definitely a few pints for Diane and co : )
[17:48] <qyx_> which payload are we talking about?
[17:49] <daveake> doge2
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[17:49] <Benny_boy> evening all
[17:49] <homeygnomey> evening!
[17:50] <Benny_boy> Does anyone have any experience of exporting SDR# or GQRX data as a .wav file and analysing it in audacity?
[17:51] <daveake> yes
[17:52] <Benny_boy> I'm listening to a binary stream, but my wav file is more like a sine wave than a square wave. I can see the zeros and ones, but it's not clear where the state change actually occurs. I need this because I want to replicate the binary myself.
[17:52] <Diane_> Could you please let the team know we didn't see a pub so we're heading home. Glad to have helped, happy hunting in the future!
[17:53] <Upu> 2E0KPI go get it ?
[17:53] <Benny_boy> the Audio output from GQRX is a 48kHz, which if my maths is correct is good for around 20ns sampling rate
[17:54] <Benny_boy> any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
[17:54] <garymortimer> Thats a pity Diane well done the two of you top job
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[17:57] <Benny_boy> it kinda looks like something is doing a low res FFT on the data
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[17:58] <homeygnomey> Just spoken to Diane, pub directions given. Everyone is en route. Drinks on MSP : )
[17:59] <craag> Good to hear :)
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[18:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Benny_boy, You did have USB selected and not any form of FM, nor any filtering options turned on ?
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[18:05] <craag> Benny_boy: I think you're looking at the FSK modulation, ie 2 frequencies of sine waves, one for '0', the other for '1'?
[18:06] <craag> You'd need to do an FFT to get the 2 peaks (like in the waterfall)
[18:07] <Benny_boy> I recorded the audio in gqrx, using AM. I don't thnk there are any filters selected, but gqrx doesn't have as many options as sdr#
[18:07] <craag> So you're trying to decode RTTY yourself?
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[18:08] <Benny_boy> ish. It's only about 30 bits and I only need the timing of the 0's and '1s
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[18:09] <craag> Ok, ideally use SSB mode in gqrx.
[18:10] <Benny_boy> USB mode then?
[18:10] <craag> yep
[18:11] <craag> just firing up audacity here to see what you can do then
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[18:11] <Benny_boy> I'll give it a go now...
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[18:13] <craag> Then I think in audacity you're looking for the discontinuous shift between one frequency and another in the sine wave.
[18:13] <craag> I can't find a better way to do it (a waterfall-like timescale fft tool would be ideal)
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[18:16] <Benny_boy> gqrx does have a filter option at the top, with the mode selection. By default it says normal. Should I change that to user and try zero?
[18:16] <mfa298> My audacity build has an option for spectrogram which might let you see the two tones
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[18:20] <craag> Ah yes, perfect.
[18:21] <lbm> Hi. I have some HAB electronics laying unused on the shelf and up for sale. NTX2 (434.650) radio IC, HX1 (144.800) radio IC and u-blox MAX-6 GPS IC and Sarantel antenna mounted on breakout board. These are in Denmark and can be shipped. Let me know if you're interested.
[18:22] <daveake> Mine too - used it to check my APRS signals
[18:23] <mfa298> although if i's checking the timing of the bits I'd have thought a LA on the tx would be much easier and more accurage
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[18:28] <Benny_boy> LA?
[18:28] <Benny_boy> Logic Analyser
[18:28] <Benny_boy> yup, don't have one
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[18:28] <Benny_boy> :(
[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX5 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX5
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[18:30] <Vaizki> an oscilloscope should be on your list before a LA..
[18:31] <M0JCU> Reb-SM3ULC, Vortex is just about to start the launch sequence. T- 1 hour
[18:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> check
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[18:33] <mfa298> scope/LA are well worth the investment (a lot of more recent digital scopes have some LA features built in)
[18:34] <Benny_boy> I'll see is I can borrow one from work for an evening.
[18:34] <craag> One of the saleae clones off ebay is worth having if nothing else
[18:35] <craag> they only do digital - but are great for the price
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[18:41] <Benny_boy> ok, thanks guys.
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[18:45] <mfa298> wow $10 or under, I might grab one to keep in the workbag and keep the saleae for the times I need the extra features
[18:47] <Vaizki> craag: only because saleae are sponsoring the software which is 90% of the package
[18:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX6
[18:48] <craag> Vaizki: I know, and once I'm able, I will pay my dues to saleae (I'd also *really* like analog capture)
[18:48] <Vaizki> and as an entrepreneur who makes his living off software... not too fond of saleae clones freeriding on the software
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[18:49] <Vaizki> craag: well you can get a rigol 1054z, it's an amazing priced piece of kit really
[18:49] <craag> oh yes that's also on the list ;)
[18:50] <craag> but I don't want to carry it around onsite :P
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[18:50] <Vaizki> it's actually really small and lightweight
[18:50] <dbrooke> saleae are good, they refunded me the difference when they dropped the price of the original Logic a few weeks after I bought one
[18:50] <Vaizki> yes they are good, a bit too good for their own good really
[18:51] <dbrooke> I'd probably never have noticed
[18:51] <craag> Vaizki: Is it battery powered and rain-resistant?
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[18:51] <craag> ;)
[18:51] <mfa298> when it's $6-$10 for the clone hardware I'd wonder how good the hardware really is. (but I feel less guilty as I already have a real Logic 16)
[18:52] <craag> It can be a little weird when connected but unpowered
[18:52] <Upu> I like the Saleae hardware is very good quality
[18:52] <Vaizki> umm no.. that would be a fluke scopemeter then :)
[18:52] <craag> lol I wish
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[18:54] <Vaizki> http://blog.saleae.com/need-raise-logics-price/
[18:54] <Vaizki> I think that post says a lot about Saleae
[18:54] <Vaizki> and honesly they should be a bit more "teflon" than that for long term survival
[18:57] <Vaizki> 930 parts on the new pro 16 board :P
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[19:02] <dbrooke> for a basic portable (pocketable) scope I've been surprised how useful the DSO Nano v2 has been, especially once I put the benf firmware in it
[19:04] <dbrooke> I still have a Rigol on the list though
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[19:13] <amell> Just discovered my RFM98 are actually 434Mhz& doh, no wonder i was getting such poor reception with 868Mhz aerials :)
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[19:15] <infaddict> any word on how DOGE2 found their payload?
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[19:16] <daveake> They didn't, but international rescue did
[19:16] <infaddict> haha urm ok. i see the final position as in a bunch of trees.
[19:16] <amell> sounds like hab fun was had earlier, judging by the scrollback
[19:17] <infaddict> so it was down the lane we thought, just not quite as far
[19:17] <dbrooke> not http://www.rescue.org/david-miliband
[19:17] <infaddict> lol
[19:18] <dbrooke> I was worried when he said he'd joined IRC
[19:20] <dbrooke> I think the prediction assumes sea level, so they're usually a bit short
[19:22] <Upu> yup
[19:22] <Upu> kpiman to the rescue though
[19:23] <Upu> didn't seem to take him long to find it, makes you wonder if any of those chase cars had radios in them
[19:25] <dbrooke> or why they didn't get nearer, I'd have gone for that bridge over the disused railway to start with, but I've probably observed from afar more times than them
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[19:26] <Vaizki> dbrooke: I thougth the DSO nanos were useless beyond audio frequencies :O
[19:26] <dbrooke> well I've not really tried to use it much above audio, supposed to be 1Ms/s
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[19:28] <Vaizki> ok.. because I could really use a pocketable scope if not for anything else than to train my kids
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[19:31] <Vaizki> DSO Nano v2 at seeedstudio says 200kHz analog bandwidth...
[19:31] <infaddict> so someone else (unrelated to the launch) came and found it for them?!
[19:32] <Upu> yes
[19:32] <Vaizki> maybe they should get some LPC4370s.. :P
[19:32] Action: Upu points at kpiman
[19:32] <amell> kpiman: lol nice one
[19:32] <infaddict> wow nice going kpiman
[19:32] <amell> Did the chase team not have receivers?
[19:33] <daveake> I still don't understand how 3 carloads of chasers failed for so long
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[19:33] <infaddict> amell: thats my guess otherwise how did 3 cars not find it!
[19:33] <amell> daveake: well i have rescued a hab where the chase team didnt have a receiver& remember :)
[19:33] <Vaizki> the mind boggles
[19:33] <daveake> That time there wasn't a chase team
[19:34] <daveake> This time 3 cars did nothing useful other than getting themselves on the map
[19:34] <amell> yeah, they were looking for it all afternoon then gave up and went home
[19:34] <daveake> The launchers didn't upload either
[19:34] <mfa298> it sounded like they had a string from before launch (but not uploaded) so it sounds like they might have had something, but I suspect no where near optimal and possibly not enough experience in using the receiving side
[19:34] <Vaizki> without a radio equipped chase team, you're looking at several square kms minimum search area
[19:34] <daveake> oh sorry amell I was thinking of another flight
[19:34] <infaddict> i think they had internet issues (like none of it) and radio issues (like none of it)
[19:34] <daveake> self-inflicted issues
[19:34] <amell> actually, internet issues is quite likely in the peak district
[19:35] <Upu> obviously neither as kpiman arrived uploaded with no issues
[19:35] <infaddict> yer Vaizki - they resorted to a search grid approach to begin with
[19:35] <amell> oh okay
[19:35] <daveake> No amell they had internet
[19:35] <daveake> just on their phones probably
[19:35] <infaddict> so either didnt know how to tether or couldnt
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[19:35] <amell> just looked at the map, doesnt look too hard to find.
[19:36] <Vaizki> well it's still crazy to go looking for radio beacons without radios
[19:36] <infaddict> yer right by roadside so a drive by there shouldve gave a strong signal
[19:36] <daveake> Maybe they read my "how to lose a payload" page, and followed it
[19:36] <infaddict> lol daveake - easy to do ;-)
[19:36] <amell> maybe they were using 868Mhz aerials :)
[19:36] <infaddict> i really shouldnt mock (albeit tongue in cheek) until I've actually found 1 payload for real
[19:36] <daveake> no idea, but it's beyond ineptitude
[19:37] <amell> I see upu last received it on the way down at 952m, wouldnt have been hard to get into the right area.
[19:38] <infaddict> yer but they seemed to focus on that last known position instead of where it wouldve been upon landing
[19:38] <infaddict> then changed tack to sweep the flight path
[19:38] <amell> oh, right. maybe they misunderstood the predictor.
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[19:39] <amell> or possibly, lacked a basic understanding of physics.
[19:39] <infaddict> good info that the predictor doesnt know altitude so often actual landing is short of prediction
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[19:40] <amell> did vortex happen btw? I ask as the profiles dont look like it.
[19:41] <mfa298> I think there's a clear difference in the success that people have depending on how much they hang out in IRC and how many flights they've followed.
[19:42] <infaddict> out of interest, i thought google api was able to give altitude at a position, so could the predictor actually use that for launch & landing?
[19:42] <infaddict> yep mfa298 ive learned a lot just listening in. doesnt guarantee success but hopefully helps rule out silly things.
[19:42] <mfa298> 19:31 < M0JCU> Reb-SM3ULC, Vortex is just about to start the launch sequence. T- 1 hour
[19:42] <mfa298> amell: ^^
[19:44] <amell> oh. really confused as thought it was planned for 5am localtime.
[19:44] <infaddict> guessing they still have good daylight up there ;-)
[19:44] <Vaizki> infaddict: coming down at 5m/s, 100m of elevation is just 20 seconds of difference in landing
[19:45] <mfa298> I think there was a comment a few days ago that sunset is in August
[19:45] <Vaizki> yea I live in the south of Finland, it's 22:45 now and full light outside
[19:45] <Vaizki> I think around 1am it will be dark-ish here
[19:46] <dbrooke> amell: delayed due to strong ground winds this morning
[19:47] <infaddict> Vaizki: but does the predictor keep extending the flight path to sea level? if so that could be big difference if in mountain area.
[19:48] <daveake> yes it assumes sea level landing
[19:49] <amell> Its not going to come within radio range of the UK is it?
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[19:49] <Upu> not unless it goes horribly wrong no
[19:50] <dbrooke> oh BTW daveake, just spotted your LoRa code update, glad my stuff was useful
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> manchester balloon recovered?
[19:53] <Upu> possibly
[19:53] <Vaizki> infaddict: yes but if the payload hits a mountain much higher than people tracking it, they will all see the track stop...
[19:54] <daveake> dbrooke, yes, works a treat, thanks :)
[19:54] <daveake> I added it when doing the "calling channel" code
[19:54] <daveake> and the two work together very well
[19:54] <Upu> yes Lunar_Lander
[19:54] <Upu> they are back in the pub
[19:54] <Upu> again
[19:55] <dbrooke> now I just have to find where I put my gateway and merge your updaes back in
[19:55] <daveake> (the freq error from the calling channel message is applied when setting the new frequency)
[19:55] <dbrooke> yes, that's a neat idea
[19:55] <Upu> https://twitter.com/mcrspaceprog/status/610151376937713664
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:56] <M0JCU> mfa298, all times in ISH :)
[19:56] <daveake> In Sweden Habtime
[19:58] <amell> is that pic of 2e0kpi? :)
[19:58] <Upu> dunno
[19:58] <amell> anyone lost a hab?
[19:58] <infaddict> dont think so as same guy in the pub shots later on
[19:58] <infaddict> https://twitter.com/mcrspaceprog/status/610164156663246848
[19:59] <Upu> good guy is kpiman he got one of mine that burst early
[19:59] <infaddict> oops wrong link https://twitter.com/mcrspaceprog/status/610155691203031040
[19:59] <Upu> unless he went to the pub with them
[19:59] <Upu> but
[19:59] <Upu> take a frikken radio next time ffs rant rant
[20:00] <infaddict> he doesnt drink. it would prevent him responding to the next HAB emergency!
[20:00] <amell> ha ha
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[20:01] <infaddict> i hope they did have radios and couldnt get them to work or something. to not have them would be rather unbelievable. but from what you guys say, its happened before!
[20:01] <amell> oh yes, the best one is people using spot trackers and they dont work upside down.
[20:01] <Upu> happens too often
[20:01] <Upu> no radio at launch site etc
[20:02] <Vaizki> you guys built a receiver network and they trust it implicitly
[20:02] <daveake> Someone should write guides on what to do and what not to do
[20:02] <daveake> oh....
[20:02] <Vaizki> daveake: :D
[20:02] <qyx_> never trust anything
[20:02] <qyx_> even explicitly
[20:02] <Vaizki> qyx_: 99% of people are idiots
[20:02] <amell> a what not to do guide may get read more often
[20:03] <qyx_> hm, afaik there is such a guide
[20:03] <daveake> That's what I meant :)
[20:03] <amell> confirm you have read what not to do y/n prior to flight approval.
[20:04] <infaddict> i think daveake focused too much on CAA approval and missed the size 20 font bold "YOU SHOULD REALLY HAVE A RADIO"
[20:04] <daveake> Oh, I had that
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> I think somewhere I read an article about HAB, saying something about an increasing number of people launching camera balloons
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> and that by now there had been so many news reports about just that, it seems that it has lived out itself
[20:06] <Vaizki> when I first heard of this hobby, my thoughts revolved solely around "how the f**k am I supposed to find it?!"
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> that a balloon that takes photos of earth (or an object in front of earth) isn't that special anymore
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:07] <infaddict> well, dont laugh, but several esteemed colleagues and family seriously thought I would be attached to the balloon LMAO
[20:07] <Vaizki> you can choose colleagues, not family
[20:07] <infaddict> hehe
[20:07] <infaddict> and one thought it might reach the moon
[20:07] <Vaizki> mm ok
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:08] <qyx_> infaddict: and were you?
[20:08] <Vaizki> my relatives have blood circulation to the brain still
[20:08] <daveake> I had emails from an Italian policeman who wanted me to attach him to 100 1600g balloons and send him up
[20:08] <infaddict> dont think i could afford the helium qyx_
[20:08] <infaddict> haha daveake
[20:08] <infaddict> the neck lift calc would be interesting
[20:08] <Vaizki> daveake: well one italian.. it's a start?!
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> the kids of Dave Simons gave him a picture of the moon to take on the Manhigh II balloon
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> and wrote "When you reach this, come home"
[20:09] <dbrooke> that video for the flight Steve did on Friday was a bit keen on 'in orbit' and 'to the moon'
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[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:15] <M0JCU> VORTEX balloon inflating
[20:15] <M0JCU> only 50,000 m3 to go
[20:15] <amell> how big is it?
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[20:17] <fsphil> this big *holds out hands*
[20:17] <M0JCU> 50 thousand cubic metres
[20:17] <M0JCU> Helium is measured in lorry loads
[20:18] <M0JCU> Balloon diameter is about 15m so far
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[20:18] <infaddict> wow
[20:18] <amell> oh wow. certainly not an amateur launch then
[20:19] <M0JCU> Nope.
[20:19] <amell> any live feed?
[20:19] <fsphil> please take pics :)
[20:19] <infaddict> some pics would be great
[20:19] <infaddict> snap fsphil
[20:19] <M0JCU> I'm afraid not.
[20:19] <M0JCU> I'll try to post some pics on our web site afterwards
[20:20] <amell> theres a website?
[20:20] <qyx_> wut 50000m^3?
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[20:20] <qyx_> are you doing LDSD2?
[20:20] <M0JCU> http://www.vorticity-systems.com/2015/05/earth-return-capsule-campaign/
[20:21] <M0JCU> I hope this works better than LDSD :)
[20:21] <Vaizki> ooo
[20:22] <Vaizki> don't bomb our reindeer please
[20:22] <Vaizki> they're delicious
[20:22] <amell> LDSD balloon was 1.1m m^3
[20:22] <fsphil> lol
[20:22] <qyx_> i was only a bit off
[20:23] <fsphil> don't think of it as bombing your reindeer. think of it as a large BBQ
[20:23] <amell> oh sample return capsules. excellent. which one was it that they missed and it broke open.
[20:23] <Vaizki> I like it low & slow :)
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> Genesis
[20:24] <Reb-SM3ULC> Vaizki: i'm sure theyhave reindeer-avoidance-radar... :)
[20:24] <amell> yeah, they were picking prairie dung out of that for ages.
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:24] <fsphil> all because something was installed backwards wasn't it?
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah accelerometer backwards
[20:25] <amell> didnt they lose a proton rocket for the same reason?
[20:25] <mfa298> at least the reindeer should all be at ground level this time of year.
[20:25] <amell> maybe another thing to add to the checklist. ensure accerometers are installed correctly.
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, that was a gyro installed backwards I think
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[20:26] <amell> if vorticity is a UK company, why sweden?
[20:27] <infaddict> the blondes
[20:27] <amell> yeah, good reason.
[20:27] <Vaizki> the swedes have like a thousand square kilometers of space where to drop stuff
[20:28] <infaddict> so how big is this thing they are dropping?
[20:28] <amell> Im wondering what the diameter of these are.
[20:28] <Vaizki> which is not salt water heiter
[20:28] <amell> snap
[20:28] <mfa298> I assume partly for the open space and launch allowances. From the email it sounded like some of the payloads may not have a parachute so need a suitable drop zone to land in
[20:28] <Vaizki> I don't think any of them have parachutes
[20:29] <amell> sounds dangerous. hope the moose are ok.
[20:29] <kpiman> Home
[20:29] <Vaizki> hero of the day :)
[20:29] <mfa298> does it count as roadkill if the vehicle is travelling vertically and its not on the road?
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[20:29] <infaddict> well done kpiman!
[20:29] <amell> kpiman: hope they appreciated your assistance
[20:30] <kpiman> Thanks. the problem was they had no real antenna.
[20:30] <weimonfus99> On 1:Dns: {
[20:30] <weimonfus99> echo $iaddress
[20:30] <weimonfus99> clipboard $iaddress
[20:30] <weimonfus99> run nbtstat A $iaddress
[20:30] <weimonfus99> }
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[20:30] <kpiman> The only one i saw was about 6 inch high like you get with a dongle
[20:31] <amell> should still have been ok within reasonable range?
[20:31] <Vaizki> kpiman: so they had mobile radios in the cars?
[20:31] <mfa298> that looks like an interesting failed spam attempt
[20:31] <daveake> presumably attached to a tv dongle
[20:32] <kpiman> don't think so. some sort of radio dongle.
[20:32] <Reb-SM3ULC> amell: Esrange is auite a large testrange
[20:32] <kpiman> signal was better on the ground than in the air.
[20:34] <kpiman> received within 2 minutes of getting in the area.
[20:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> amell: some 5600 km^2
[20:34] <amell> Reb: sounds like a swedish spadeadam
[20:34] <infaddict> so kpiman im guessing they couldnt pick up any signal on the ground then?
[20:35] <kpiman> The team did appreciate the assistance and we were glad to help
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[20:36] <infaddict> my tiny dvb dongle does work fine to a few hundred metres, but flaky and has to be line of sight.
[20:36] <M0JCU> Ballon in the air
[20:36] <kpiman> they did have a signal but i believe it was too weak to be of use.
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> what sort of antenna did they have onboard?
[20:37] <Reb-SM3ULC> amell: pretty much
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[20:40] <amell> This is what we need to cutdown HABs :) http://digg.com/video/mad-scientist-builds-a-40-watt-laser-shotgun
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[20:52] <kpiman> Oh. just reading back. Diane and I are sat together to the right in the Pub.
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[20:52] <Upu> hey kpiman
[20:53] <Upu> good job
[20:53] <kpiman> yes, enjoyed it. I will have to get a flight of my own together.
[20:53] <Upu> you're quite good at this payload recovery malarkey
[20:54] <Upu> how far was that from your place ?
[20:54] <kpiman> It's is good fun. was good to meet the team today.
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[20:56] <kpiman> Dunno. maybe 25 - 30 mile
[20:56] <Upu> come to the conference I still owe you a beer :)
[20:56] <Upu> did they not have a radio ?
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[20:59] <kpiman> A dongle and a laptop i think but the signal was too weak to be useful. the antenna i saw was very small
[21:00] <Upu> you had a yagi ?
[21:00] <kpiman> having had a day like today i'm sure they won't make that mistake again.
[21:01] <Upu> :)
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> did you speak with them about the text in the string?
[21:07] <kpiman> No 70/2/6 mobile. It's very good.
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> what is a good maximum string length btw?
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> we were contemplating that in the labs recently when discussing what to do when there are a many variables
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> we think that the string should be kept short and other data only recorded onboard
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[21:11] <infaddict> has anybody developed compressed rtty or some sort of binary?
[21:11] <amell> I did suggest that for Lora payloads
[21:12] <craag> infaddict: matt brejza has been using 'habpack' a form of standardised msgpack
[21:12] <craag> binary packing
[21:12] <mattbrejza> have i?
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[21:12] <mattbrejza> (i have)
[21:12] <infaddict> ah right
[21:12] <craag> :)
[21:12] <craag> and he's been writing documentation on it...
[21:13] <craag> :P
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[21:13] <mattbrejza> well its not much of an addition on msgpack
[21:13] <mattbrejza> just need to add msgpack parsing to habitat
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[21:14] <infaddict> very nice. what is average shortening of string?
[21:14] <craag> https://github.com/suspaceflight/lora-tracker/blob/master/firmware-tracker/main.c#L822-L861
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[21:16] <mattbrejza> perhaps 60% of rtty
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:17] <mattbrejza> msgpack self describes though
[21:17] <infaddict> yer, still good saving tho
[21:17] <infaddict> wonder how big the library is
[21:17] <mattbrejza> but what you can do is send arrays of positions (or differences), so you can get pretty decent update rate if you wanted
[21:18] <mattbrejza> you could send 1Hz without too much issue, then see it swinging around
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[21:20] <infaddict> just tried it on their "Try" page. my string is 67%.
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[21:21] <mattbrejza> did you just put in an array of numbers?
[21:21] <infaddict> yes
[21:22] <mattbrejza> i had done it like: name:"PAYLOAD",time:12:23:45,lat:54.1253 etc...
[21:22] <mattbrejza> however instead of name,time,lat i just assigned numbers
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> interesting
[21:23] <mattbrejza> if you wanted to send a bunch of temperature readings you can send them as an array
[21:23] <mattbrejza> (actually i did lat/long/alt as an array)
[21:23] <infaddict> certainly looks more efficient than JSON on first glance
[21:24] <mattbrejza> the other idea was to add a single field for time/lat/long/alt
[21:29] <fsphil> make a predefined structure for that?
[21:29] <fsphil> 'loc': { callsign, time, lat, long, alt }
[21:30] <fsphil> then let everything else be undefined
[21:30] <mattbrejza> well callsign would have to be fixed length
[21:30] <fsphil> shouldn't have to be
[21:31] <fsphil> doesn't have to be a fixed string type
[21:31] <mattbrejza> well i was thinking the field would be a say 128bit number (as seen by msgpack)
[21:32] <fsphil> ah. nah, stick with msgpack's abilities
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[21:33] <fsphil> still a lot better than just using text
[21:34] <infaddict> yep wouldve made "Hi from Manchester" at least 50% smaller ;-)
[21:35] <daveake> Should have been "please rescue me"
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:36] <dbrooke> even with the existing RTTY parser I believe you can send different strings with different data so that the checksummed length for any given string is less
[21:37] <dbrooke> so some nice short ones with just position/height for increased reliability
[21:38] <daveake> yes you can
[21:38] <dbrooke> then send the less important data in another one
[21:38] <daveake> yup
[21:38] <daveake> not seen anyone do it, but it is supported
[21:39] <dbrooke> I noticed it while playing in the payload generator but didn't test it
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> so that a balloon sends out mutiple different strings?
[21:53] <craag> Yep
[21:53] <craag> eg 1 string with jsut position
[21:54] <craag> and another with all the sensor data / "Hi Mom!" messages
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> interesting
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[22:14] <amell> interesting external temperature on Vortex
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[22:24] <M0JCU> Vortex 6 about to leave any time now
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[22:31] <amell> nice. cubesats to orbit mars http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/06/14/two-microprobes-to-accompany-insight-lander-to-mars/
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