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[06:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[07:44] <Herman_> gm all
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[07:48] <DL7AD> hi Herman_
[07:49] <DL7AD> could somebody please approve the flightdocument for DK0TU which i already created 2 days ago for the launch today in berlin?
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[07:59] <DL7AD> Upu: ping
[08:08] <UpuWork> hey DL7AD
[08:08] <UpuWork> flight doc id pls
[08:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX3 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX3
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[08:13] <Herman_> !flights
[08:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: There are no flights currently :(
[08:14] Nick change: Herman_ -> Herman-PB0AHX
[08:27] Nick change: pc1pcl|away -> luteijn
[08:32] <robertbrand> Hi all. I want to release a steerable parachute fully deployed from a cutdown. What height would people here think it would stay filled enough to not tangle. http://hobbyking.com.au/hobbyking/store/__32068__HobbyKing_Paraglider_Parafoil_2_15m_AU_Warehouse_.html?strSearch=Paraglider%20Parafoil
[08:34] <robertbrand> I am seriously hoping to do this from 20km or above. Eventually I would deploy 2 and have them photograph each other. I would rig a line to help collapse the higher unit to keep them Sync-ed
[08:35] <robertbrand> At least one would have a video link.
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[08:50] <DL7AD> UpuWork: dont know anymore
[09:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8PSL-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8PSL-11
[09:09] <UpuWork> what was it called ?
[09:09] <UpuWork> got it
[09:10] <UpuWork> its only valid until 10pm today
[09:10] <UpuWork> 0287347be4dc1e18bd8c93edb3227189
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[09:10] <mikestir> any habs up? I just saw one launching and no way it had a notam
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[09:25] <mikestir> hey ibanezmatt13
[09:25] <ibanezmatt13> morning mikestir :)
[09:25] <mikestir> can you have a tune around to see if you can hear anything? I just saw something going up but my antennas are down
[09:26] <mikestir> nothing heard on the handheld though
[09:26] <ibanezmatt13> sure, what freq?
[09:26] <mikestir> dunno, assume 70cms somewhere if it has a radio tracker at all
[09:26] <fsphil> http://hackaday.com/2015/06/13/wifibroadcast-makes-wifi-fpv-video-more-like-analog/
[09:26] <fsphil> useful for HAB'ing
[09:26] <mikestir> it was directly under the approach to liverpool so it sure didn't have a notam
[09:27] <ibanezmatt13> I'll have a listen, brb
[09:29] <daveake> No hab notams anywhere near
[09:29] <mikestir> fsphil: that's quite cool. sounds like a way of getting a nice ofdm link without the hassle of a fancy custom radio
[09:29] <ibanezmatt13> Not getting anything here mikestir, I'm a little further away than usual, not at home
[09:29] <mikestir> no I don't think it's got a radio tracker otherwise I think I would still hear it on the handie
[09:29] <mfa298> if it's not notamed I'd bet it's using a gsm tracker at best
[09:30] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
[09:30] <daveake> yup
[09:31] <mikestir> it seemed to be launched from a food and drink festival that's happening, which probably implies commercial
[09:32] <fsphil> robertbrand: I have one of those here. They tangle pretty good on the ground already :)
[09:32] <daveake> ditto ditto
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[09:34] <DL7AD> UpuWork: 10pm UTC? thats okay
[09:34] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm, no flights today?
[09:35] <DL7AD> UpuWork: we will have it launched until 18UTC here in berlin
[09:35] <DL7AD> 144.600 MHz 100mW SSDV 600baud Shift: 900Hz, 8n2
[09:35] <DL7AD> tracking included in SSDV signal + aprs DK0TU-12
[09:36] <fsphil> mmm 100mw
[09:36] <DL7AD> rubber balloon 150g
[09:36] <fsphil> go for 1200 baud :)
[09:36] <DL7AD> fsphil: it was hard to track on the waterfall at 1200 baud
[09:36] <fsphil> yea it's not simple
[09:37] <DL7AD> anyway DL-FLDigi can be only set to 1000Hz shift at maximum
[09:37] <DL7AD> :/
[09:38] <DL7AD> btw is it possible to correct DK0TU-11's current flight position?
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[09:48] <fsphil> you only need 600hz shift for 1200bps
[09:49] <DL7AD> 1200hz
[09:52] <DL7AD> well im unsure
[09:53] <DL7AD> because i have so scientific explanation
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[10:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[10:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: There are no flights currently :(
[10:03] <DL5SFI_Steffen> DK0TU-11 is flight ! http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=10&call=a%2FDK0TU-11&timerange=10800&tail=10800
[10:04] <fsphil> minimum-shift keying, the shift is half the symbol rate
[10:05] <fsphil> I don't know if there would be problems if the shift was between 50% and 100% the rate
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[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NLDT01 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NLDT01
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[10:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> frequentie off nldt01 ???
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[10:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> dail nldt01
[10:24] <PE2BZ> !dial nldt01
[10:24] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> rong from me hihihihi not yet waked up
[10:24] <PE2BZ> Herman ik zie hem ook nog niet op de SDR tussen 433 en 435 MHz
[10:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> ik ook niet
[10:25] <PE2BZ> @2100 above ASL I should receive him....
[10:27] <PE2BZ> And now nldt01 seems to be rising again from 0 to 700 m ASL
[10:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> me to but noting here yet
[10:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> i think it is a test on the table
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[10:29] <PE2BZ> we wait / wie weet
[10:30] <dutchtux> indeed it's just a test
[10:30] <PE2BZ> dutchtux Thanks for telling ;-)
[10:39] <Reb-SM3ULC> climbrate of 160 m/s, that is fast.. ;)
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[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL6JOS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL6JOS-11
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[11:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> dial dl6jos-11
[11:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial dl6jos-11
[11:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[11:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is the frequentie of DL6JOS-11 ??
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[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !dial nldt01
[11:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !flights
[11:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: There are no flights currently :(
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[12:04] <fsphil> probably aprs?
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[12:09] <DutchMillbt> !dial NLDT01
[12:09] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Apparently only a test... so it says in the scrollback [11:30] <dutchtux> indeed it's just a test
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[12:15] <DutchMillbt> Hi Geoff yeah i thought so, just popped in the irc
[12:17] <michemto> Guys... Have any of you used a blanket or a big cover (for example net or something) for filling process
[12:17] <michemto> In case you have pretty heavy wind, the balloon will try to hit surroundings...
[12:18] <michemto> Could it be better if you force-hold it down with big tarpaulin
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If you do that you will never be able to measure the lift.
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3ZZI-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3ZZI-9
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W3EAX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W3EAX-11
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[12:31] <fsphil> you'd need something to control the fill
[12:31] <fsphil> mass flow meter
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[12:35] <eroomde> JP launch like that
[12:35] <eroomde> yes you need some way of measuring mass-flow
[12:37] <Herman-PB0AHX> DutchMillbt: nld is een test
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[12:46] <fsphil> there was mention of a device where you just enter how much you want and it automatically fills it
[12:46] <fsphil> might have been you eroomde, can't remember
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[12:48] <krish__> hello everybody iam planning to launch hab in india.can pls help in tracking?
[12:51] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You will need stations in range of the flight, capable of tuning to the tracker do you have any details worked out yet ?
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[12:53] <krish__> no
[12:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Do you know what frequencies you can use in India ?
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Some one else was asking this a week or so ago
[12:54] <eroomde> fsphil: well we make mass-flow meters fo various gases ourselves
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[12:55] <eroomde> 0-13kg/s of oxygen, <0.5% error on rate
[12:55] <eroomde> probably a bit much for a hab
[12:55] <krish__> ok actually iam new to this frequincies n other electronic n electric things , iam into software
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you looked thru the wiki ?
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !wiki tracking
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Found 0311 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=tracking
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !wiki sdr
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Wiki page 03sdr_tracker (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[12:57] <krish__> yeah tried lttle bit research n got help full information except how to track it.
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If you receive the telemetry, then you include Latitiude and Longtitude height etc. from the GPS, feed the results to Habitat and it will plot it for you on Spacenear.us
[12:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> then you are tracking
[13:03] <krish__> someone suggested me to first get a ametuer license for tracking.is it neccessary to have license.
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It maybe, the rules vary from country to country, in the UK we can't use amateur radio from the air at all
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[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> so we get around it by using an Indstrial, Scientific and medical band (ISM)
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> which allows us to fly transmitters. In the USA and other parts of Europe the rules re totally different, and amateur radio is fina from aircraft.
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[13:06] <GGG> !flights
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> 03GGG: There are no flights currently :(
[13:07] <GGG> !flights NLDT01
[13:07] <SpacenearUS> 03GGG: There are no flights currently :(
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Why not have a check with the AR resouces in India http://www.hamradio.in/amateur_radio/
[13:08] <SA6BSS> GGG: just a test
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[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Also here for band plans where you might be able to transmit http://www.wpc.dot.gov.in/Static/NFAP.asp
[13:11] <krish__> Thankyou very much buddy . i will be back in short
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[13:21] <DL7AD-mobile> Hi
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[13:27] <michemto> @eroomde and @fsphil... well I can measure it later, when i remove the blanket... Who is JP ?
[13:29] <eroomde> JP aerospace
[13:29] <eroomde> michemto: i don't think you'll enjoy having to stop and measure
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[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[13:43] <fsphil> how would you measure after though?
[13:43] <fsphil> if it's not windy, then you wouldn't need the cover
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[14:19] <fox123> payload
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[14:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4JFX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4JFX-11
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[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX5 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX5
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[15:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD7ICN-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD7ICN-11
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7ROS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7ROS-11
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[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK0TU after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0TU
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[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX3 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX3
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[17:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX6
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[17:28] <DL7AD_> balloon DK0TU has been launched
[17:28] <DL7AD_> is anybody polish receiving it?
[17:30] <Kryczek> people say my nickname sounds polish; does that count?
[17:35] <DL7AD_> :D
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[17:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:08] <DL7AD_> UpuWork: ping
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[19:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB1SAR-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB1SAR-11
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> A Swashplateless MAV: Thrust, Roll, Pitch, and Yaw from Only Two Motors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEPf0QHVuMM
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[20:59] <fsphil> who's doing the CHAI00 ssdv?
[20:59] <fsphil> nice but tiny pic
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[22:10] <Laurenceb_> hmmm
[22:10] <Laurenceb_> solar neutrino flux is ~45W/m^2
[22:10] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[22:10] <Laurenceb_> if only there was a way to harness that, perfect balloon power source
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[22:18] <amell> daveake: you ever get funny compiler errors with your newer lorareceiver code?
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZejfhTe5is
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Roll Spot Weld 4mil and 1.5mil Aluminum Foil
[22:19] <amell> relocation truncated to fit: R_AVR_13_PCREL against symbol `__ctype_isfalse' defined in .text.avr-libc
[22:21] <amell> I think teensyduino has borked my arduino install
[22:21] <amell> bastards
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[22:40] <arjunnaha> Seen this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123074/Richard-Branson-blasted-stratosphere-finally-makes-space-sort-of.html
[22:41] <amell> oh was that steves friday launch?
[22:41] <arjunnaha> yeh
[22:42] <arjunnaha> "Inspired by Branson-styled stunts, Thompson used the help of Steve Randall from Random Engineering to fill the balloon with hydrogen. "
[22:42] <fsphil> I've heard of that bloke
[22:42] <amell> yeah, me too.
[22:43] <amell> see the DM comments Imagine somebody tied your cat to one of them balloons, it doesn't bare thinking about they are dangerous!!
[22:43] <amell> wtf
[22:43] <arjunnaha> lol
[22:43] <arjunnaha> I think Branson works at the Virgin Media store in city centre? Not sure rlly
[22:44] <amell> would make for an interesting video you have to admit. lets tie a cat to a balloon and gopro it.
[22:44] <fsphil> no it wouldn't
[22:44] <arjunnaha> I'm sure the RSPCA would love that
[22:44] <fsphil> and you'd rightly get arrested
[22:44] <amell> indeed.
[22:44] <arjunnaha> fsphil: jokes
[22:45] <amell> wow. did you watch the video?
[22:45] <arjunnaha> watching it now
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[22:51] <Ian_> Family friendly site warning!
[22:54] <gonzo_nb> slightly balloon/animal related
[22:54] <gonzo_nb> https://www.facebook.com/AlexLeeWorld/photos/a.580809058725749.1073741829.580326075440714/600774846729170/?type=1
[22:56] <fsphil> hah
[22:56] <fsphil> bit simpler than putting a gps tracker on it I suppose
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/meanwhile-on-facebook-the-worlds-silliest-conspiracy-theory--Z1UEUJeUWx
[22:57] <gonzo_nb> with a little nore lift, to get neutral boyancy...... could make an interesting pet
[22:58] <amell> hmm, reinstalled arduino and still same error.
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[23:08] <fsphil> check if gcc is being passed -mshort-calls, seems to cause that
[23:10] <amell> i checked that. no luck
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