highaltitude.log.20150612

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[05:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS7
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[06:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX5 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX5
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[07:13] <DL7AD> morning
[07:13] <DL7AD> just finished this morning: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzVllHCGu5FNlR3dng3V2NzbTA/view?usp=sharing
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[07:17] <Upu> looks good DL7AD
[07:17] <Upu> that header probably doubles the weight :)
[07:18] <DL7AD> Upu: could you add DK0TU-11 to the gateway?
[07:18] <Upu> !aprs add DK0TU-11
[07:18] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Added 03DK0TU-11 to APRS Importer
[07:18] <DL7AD> :D it can be broken away
[07:18] <DL7AD> thanks anthony
[07:19] <DL7AD> Upu: if there's good weather, it will be launched tomorrow
[07:19] <Upu> I know
[07:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0TU-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0TU-11
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[08:36] <infaddict> morning
[08:38] <eroomde> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/fs-(be)-agilentkeysight-mso-x3104a-1ghz-oscilloscope-in-new-condition/
[08:38] <eroomde> someone buy this from this guy
[08:39] <eroomde> he's legit and that deal is incredibly good
[08:43] <adamgreig> a mere 5600 eur
[08:44] <eroomde> sure but that's still a v good deal
[08:46] <eroomde> just that active probe is about £1k on its own
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[09:13] <stupidjoblessper> Just looking for advice. How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying(fast food, retail, entry level) just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring. No interviews. Cannot volunteer as there is no where near too
[09:14] <jonsowman> I think you're in the wrong channel
[09:14] <stupidjoblessper> there is npo right one
[09:14] <day> yes. no one here works
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[09:15] <jonsowman> at the very least it's entirely off topic
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[09:16] <fsphil> correct
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[09:16] <infaddict> he has no staying power.
[09:16] <jonsowman> lol
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[09:20] <Laurenceb> lulwut
[09:20] <Laurenceb> trollin
[09:21] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObZJN9zDtA
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[09:27] <PE2BZ> !payload xaben-90
[09:27] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:27] <PE2BZ> !payload xaben*
[09:27] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[09:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX1 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flights
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Current flights: 03XABEN-90 10(9187), 03CDJ-2 PICO solar and 50bd test 10(f699)
[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight XABEN-90
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight 9187
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Flight 10(9187): 03XABEN-90 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 12:00 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2511,-0.0927)
[10:06] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE
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[10:07] <LunarWork> hello
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[10:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LuckyChase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LuckyChase_chase
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[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX3
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[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CT2JVS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CT2JVS
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[10:59] <PE2BZ> !payload xaben-90
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:06] <PE2BZ> !payload 9187
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03uX0 10(9187) 03$$uX0 - 03434.35 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/470Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03XABEN0 10(9187) 03$$XABEN0 - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Bet as soon as I start to put lunch together Steve will release his balloon!
[11:57] <PE2BZ> Geoff-G8DHE-M if -M stands for Mobile, how about a mac drive ?
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Now there's an idea, but nearest drive thru is about 10 miles away!
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[12:10] <PE2BZ> I can make you lucnh. On the other hand, you would need a submarine...
[12:11] <eroomde> Geoff-G8DHE-M: all the more reason for a mobile tracking rig
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XABEN0 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XABEN0
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03uX0 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=uX0
[12:21] <christop_> Looks like i might get a flight towards me today
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[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right had the lunch so you can release the balloon now Steve ;-)
[12:48] <christop_> :-)
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[13:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CDJ-2 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CDJ-2
[13:19] <christop_> Wonder whats happening at Elsworth?
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> No video, so will have to get out the Crystal
[13:24] <christop_> Was looking forward to a fly past in Peterborough
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[13:42] <garymortimer> I enjoyed the video, pity this is an area 51 flight ;-)
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[13:57] <christop_> Looks like uXo is back being picked up
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> There off
[14:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/XABEN90_20150612/index.php?ind=3
[14:03] <Upu> XABEN0 is very weak
[14:04] <Upu> conversley UX0 is booming
[14:04] <christop_> !dial ux0
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> 03christop_: Latest dials for 03uX0 10(9187): 03434.66 MHz
[14:06] <PE2BZ> !payload ux0
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03uX0 10(9187) 03$$uX0 - 03434.35 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/470Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DDY-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4DDY-13
[14:08] <PE2BZ> !dial xaben0
[14:08] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(9187): 03434.29769 MHz, 434.3019 MHz, 434.297 MHz
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[14:21] <PE2BZ> !dial xaben0
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(9187): 03434.29769 MHz, 434.2976 MHz, 434.297 MHz
[14:21] <PE2BZ> !dial ux0
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03uX0 10(9187): 03434.348107 MHz, 434.3475 MHz, 434.3479 MHz, 434.348087 MHz, 434.347 MHz, 434.34749 MHz, 434.348067 MHz, 434.348047 MHz
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[14:28] <PE2BZ> Hi. Is xaben90 intended to burst or to float ?
[14:30] <daveake> burst
[14:30] <PE2BZ> Tnx.
[14:30] <daveake> Steve said so in his mailing list announcement
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[14:43] <gonzo_> the sigs are very weak with me.
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[14:43] <gonzo_> should be much stronger
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[14:45] <PE2BZ> Near the coast of the Netherlands uX0 is good, XABEN is very weak.
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[14:53] <Upu> XABEN is much weaker
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> 10db between the two here
[14:54] <Upu> yeah more here
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[14:57] <garymortimer> would customs using a stanley knife to inspect you package of balloons from random be considered a bad thing (lucky none damaged)
[14:57] <gonzo_> uX0 is better, but still not that strong
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> French customs sawed the bottom off of a diecast box of one of our Tx thinink there might be drugs below the board
[14:58] <gonzo_> is that claimable?
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope
[14:59] <gonzo_> I had UK borders tape resealing a box of cctv cams I had a few weeks ago
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[15:19] <ok1cdj> hi
[15:19] <ok1cdj> cdj-2 probabbly lost in SP in thunderstorm :-(
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh :(
[15:22] <_charlie> :(
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[15:31] <_charlie> is that another SEDS? nice one
[15:35] <garymortimer> what is the reception distance record for ntx radios again?
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> 400Km ISH
[15:36] <garymortimer> cool, thanks
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> PE2G is @ 444.56Km at present
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> click the link green line for details
[15:37] <PE2G> 445.3 km, in fact :)
[15:38] <garymortimer> Again, thanks very much
[15:39] <daveake> 800km ish https://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[15:39] <garymortimer> next bidder please ;-) thanks all
[15:39] <daveake> no, I win :p
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[15:41] <_charlie> Have we assumed B64 is dead/
[15:41] <_charlie> B66 sorry
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[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Radio might be the balloon must still be flying no one has reported finding it ;-)
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[15:42] <_charlie> so the record is for the balloon flight, and not the system?
[15:42] <eroomde> i don't think those radio range records are complete
[15:42] <eroomde> i'm sure some of the early novas were well out over 500km
[15:42] <daveake> no they aren't
[15:42] <_charlie> Kind of makes sense I guess, someone could always spot it throughj a telescope
[15:42] <_charlie> PS46 must be up there
[15:42] <eroomde> nova2, my first, was accidently lost to the north sea when it climed at about a 1:20 instead of a 1:1
[15:43] <_charlie> argh, must have been frustrating
[15:43] <eroomde> it was more than that
[15:43] <eroomde> 'my' = cusf in this case
[15:43] <eroomde> we bought 5x nice digital cameras from jessops
[15:43] <eroomde> with the intention of returning them within 14 days, having first sent them up to 30km
[15:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
[15:44] <eroomde> we'd desolder the mosfet we put across the shutter button and no one would ever know
[15:44] <eroomde> alas
[15:44] <eroomde> that was an expensive flight
[15:44] <ok1cdj> can anyone from SP near OK border try lsn for CDJ-2 on 434.690 +/-, but i thing was lost in thunderstorm.. i heard some resets
[15:44] <ok1cdj> and cw 20 min ago..
[15:45] <_charlie> clever idea ed...
[15:45] <Laurenceb> Nitro-Jagermeister
[15:45] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32773331
[15:46] <_charlie> -_-'
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[15:51] <PE2G> How can (personal) record rx distances be added to https://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records ?
[15:52] <christop_> !dial ux0
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> 03christop_: Latest dials for 03uX0 10(9187): 03434.348512 MHz, 14.055102 MHz, 434.34819 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.34799 MHz, 434.348492 MHz
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[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> PE2G create an account and ask for write access.
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> on the channel
[15:56] <PE2G> OK.
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[16:00] <fsphil> who's doing the DK0TU ssdv tests?
[16:01] <fsphil> that's a lot of pictures of a building
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Probably the guy in the pictures at 02:42 this morning!
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[16:11] <_charlie> there are no pictures from an actual balloon on the website XD
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[16:19] <fsphil> to be fair there are rarely pictures of balloons on there :) it's usually the earth / endless clouds
[16:20] <_charlie> lol true
[16:21] <daveake> Have we had an SSDV of a balloon in flight yet?
[16:21] Action: daveake considers writing balloon-spotting code
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[16:23] <fsphil> I don't believe so
[16:23] <daveake> It could do with some camera aiming too
[16:24] <eroomde> we put a webcam on the automatic az/el tracker once
[16:24] <_charlie> those two balloons have stayed so close together for the whole trip its remarkable
[16:26] <daveake> it's as if they're tied together
[16:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> You mean the two payloads on one balloon ?
[16:26] <_charlie> I thought about doing something with either an antenna array, or a rotating reflector - have it mounted to point at a steady tone from the payload so that the phases are equal in x/y - mount a camera in the middle
[16:26] <_charlie> Are they really? XD wow
[16:26] <_charlie> lol
[16:26] <fsphil> I'm going to use a mirror for the next eclipse payload
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is a feed from habitat with the aiming co-ords as well, my beams track automatically
[16:27] <_charlie> oh cool
[16:27] <fsphil> means I don't have to aim the optics
[16:27] <_charlie> yeah
[16:29] <fsphil> would be neat to track objects on the ground
[16:29] <_charlie> yeah
[16:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Craag wrote the interface to the rotator code see here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/XABEN90_20150612/Capture.JPG
[16:29] <fsphil> though even with good optics I don't know how much you'd see on the ground from 30km
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[16:30] <fsphil> certainly in the UK where it's cloudy a lot :)
[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> LDSD images were rather good the other day!
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[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm burst ?
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[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh nope just massive fading
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ahhhh my aerials turned thru 360 as it went thru 0 degrees :-)
[16:39] <eroomde> fail
[16:42] <daveake> looks floaty
[16:42] <daveake> or maybe not
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[16:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
[16:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> ,aybe yes
[16:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> rise has slowed down!
[16:58] <_charlie> yes - no - yes - no - yes - no ;)
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[17:05] <daveake> Steve should never have said "Announcing a (hopefully) simple Up/Down flight tomorrow out of Elsworth" :p
[17:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like its bouncing along, but high for an inversion layer! Maybe it is going to float!
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> His chase might be longer than he thought!
[17:06] <daveake> ah
[17:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup burst
[17:07] <gonzo_> wobbling a bli
[17:07] <gonzo_> bit
[17:08] <gonzo_> not sounding burst, poss getting buffetted
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope its burst http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/XABEN90_20150612/XABEN90_201506121706.jpg
[17:09] <gonzo_> ah yes, was looking at the wrong param!
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[17:13] <jet__> !ping uX0
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> 03jet__: Last contact with 03uX0 was 03a few seconds ago
[17:13] <jet__> !wiki spacenearus
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> 03jet__: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[17:14] <jet__> !dial ux0
[17:14] <SpacenearUS> 03jet__: Latest dials for 03uX0 10(9187): 03434.349086 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 14.055102 MHz, 434.34819 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.349026 MHz, 434.34849 MHz, 434.348966 MHz, 434.35 MHz
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[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX3 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX3
[17:20] <jet__> !dial ux0
[17:20] <SpacenearUS> 03jet__: Latest dials for 03uX0 10(9187): 03434.349022 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 14.055102 MHz, 434.34819 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.35 MHz, 434.34849 MHz, 434.349086 MHz, 434.348812 MHz, 434.348833 MHz, 434.348854 MHz
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[17:25] <f6baz> hello every body from france Metz Moselle
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[17:35] <ekundrala> Hello, I was wondering if anybody would be able to advise me on a good aerial for receiving HAB signals?
[17:35] <ekundrala> I have tried a cheap omnidirectional 433mhz one on top of a car, but the signals are very weak
[17:36] <ekundrala> I am looking for something that can be put on a base mount or something, so nothing attached to the roof
[17:40] <eroomde> the watson w-50, or diamond x-50 (both v similar) are popular and highly rated here ekundrala
[17:44] <ekundrala> I have seen these and they both look very good
[17:44] <ekundrala> However I cannot find many details about their operation
[17:45] <ekundrala> e.g. Do they need external power? Do they have the standard SMA connectors? Will they receive the 433MHZ band well? How do you make them "fixed base", i.e. you just put it down on the ground and let it receive?
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[17:51] <PE2G> I'd like to get permission to add two entries to https://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records , pls
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[18:01] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: Surrey Advertiser page 3 features @SurreyEARS & #EARSHAB2 balloon http://t.co/CdD05h0eai #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas @JamesRLynn @theRSGB
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[18:07] <_charlie> Fantastic story
[18:07] <_charlie> Shows how poorly worded News articles can be though, and why they should be taken with a pinch of salt
[18:07] <_charlie> "expected to land _in_ Norwich" ayyy
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[18:23] <Meowert> G8KHW seems to like that field a lot...
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[18:35] <chrisstubbs> One of our local schools have made an amazing HAB payload http://i.imgur.com/BN4ZnFD.jpg
[18:36] <Meowert> He found it now! :-)
[18:36] <Upu> thats cool
[18:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Either that or its got up and walked off!
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[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:52] <chris_99> nice chrisstubbs :), whats the red button
[18:53] <chrisstubbs> Power, there is a power led next to it too
[18:54] <chrisstubbs> I'm going to advise them to remove/disconnect the button, incase it lands on it and turns off
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[18:57] <chris_99> ah yeah
[18:58] <chris_99> i guess they could alternatively put a cover over it, but probably best to just disconnect it
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[18:58] <chrisstubbs> Some neat laser cutting
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[19:01] <day> im still trying to get my rtty working. i think the signal looks ok in SDR# but it doesnt in dl-fldigi from what i can tell. http://i.imgur.com/JoiPQf6.png
[19:03] <day> maybe im doing something wrong. currently im using two tones first one is 0V input, second one is roughly 0.27V to generate the second tones 4xxHz higher than the first
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> day change the mode to USB on SDR#
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> click just to the left of the left hand peak on the waterfall
[19:04] <day> this does indeed look much better
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> you will then probably need to tweak your fldigi settings to decode
[19:05] <day> chrisstubbs: it looks like this now http://imgur.com/oep9bQh
[19:05] <day> i assume the two red lines are my two tones.
[19:06] <chrisstubbs> yes, not sure what the other yellow lines are but lets try with the 2 red
[19:06] <chrisstubbs> do you know what the shift and baud rate of your payload is?
[19:06] <daveake> I think we know the shift :)
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> You are in WFM mode not USB in SDR# for starters!
[19:08] <day> Geoff-G8DHE_: already fixed
[19:08] <daveake> day have you read any of the guides on how to decode in dl-fldigi ?
[19:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes, didn't read back enough!
[19:09] <day> daveake: the issue is ive got a ton of error possibilities here thats why i thought i let you guys throw a quick glance at the screens :>
[19:09] <daveake> not just possibilities
[19:10] <daveake> You're not close;rather than us going through everything it'll be quicker if you follow one of the guides
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[19:11] <daveake> You need the SDR s/w set to USB mode; you need to set the audio shift in dl-fldigi to match that in the transmitter (about 470Hz by the look of it); you similarly need to match baud rate / stop bits / etc between transmitter and dl-fldigi
[19:11] <daveake> !ukhas sdr
[19:12] <daveake> oops
[19:12] <daveake> !wiki sdr
[19:12] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03sdr_tracker (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[19:12] <daveake> esp https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:sdr6.png
[19:12] <daveake> !wiki tracking guide
[19:12] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Found 039 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=tracking%20guide
[19:13] <jonsowman> typo bot
[19:13] <jonsowman> *your
[19:13] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[19:14] <daveake> Now we just need a bot that uses feet and inches :)
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[19:14] <daveake> bot wars
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[19:17] <PE2G> Could someone pls grant me permission to make two additions to https://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records ?
[19:17] <Upu> sure whats your username ?
[19:17] <PE2G> Thanks, it's: PE2G
[19:18] <Upu> done
[19:18] <Upu> edit away
[19:18] <PE2G> Tnx for that :)
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[19:26] <fox123> Hi all, please how frequency and mode cdj-2, do you receive its signal somewhere
[19:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight cdj-2
[19:27] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Flight 10(f699): 03CDJ-2 PICO solar and 50bd test 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Pardubice District, Czech Republic 10(49.9978,15.8176)
[19:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !payload cdj-2
[19:27] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Payload 03CDJ-2 10(f699) 03$$CDJ-2 - 03434.69 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[19:28] <fox123> TNX 73 TU G8DHE
[19:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !wiki irc_bot for more commands
[19:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: No results for your query
[19:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !wiki irc_bot
[19:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[19:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> for more commands ;-)
[19:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial cdj-2
[19:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03CDJ-2 10(f699): none
[19:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Humm CDJ-2 was the one that disappeared in the lightning storm wasn't it :-(
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[19:55] <day> daveake: how was i not close? >.>
[19:57] <daveake> You didn't have USB mode you got hte shift wrong you hadn't selected the signal
[19:57] <day> you said that after i already fixed that...
[19:58] <day> anyways its working now. mayorly it was a software bug >.> ty for the hints
[19:58] <daveake> did you say you'd fixed if before I said that?
[19:58] <daveake> s/if/it
[19:58] <day> yeah
[19:59] <daveake> Well I just checked back and I disagree
[19:59] <daveake> anyhoo is it working yet?
[19:59] <daveake> cancel
[20:00] <day> well if i dont put delays between the bytes the whole thing seems to run out of sync for some reason. maybe a 7bit+2stops will improve that
[20:01] <daveake> you don't need delays between bytes
[20:01] <daveake> You just need the stop bit
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[20:03] <day> i know that i SHOULD not need them. maybe the crystal is out of sync. my 20ms waits last 20.01 according to my logic anal.
[20:03] <day> i mean, it looks like this: "ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggwwÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ"
[20:04] <adamgreig> what are you decoding with?
[20:04] <day> the 'g's are good
[20:04] <adamgreig> oh, lol
[20:04] <day> im just sending random characters
[20:04] <adamgreig> i meant more whether you're using an SDR or what
[20:04] <adamgreig> various things can alter sample rates in ways that ruin your day
[20:04] <day> yes SDR# > dl-fldigi
[20:04] <adamgreig> sounds like more like your rtty timing was off though
[20:05] <Upu> using software serial ?
[20:05] <adamgreig> you could transmit 1.5 stop bits and set fldigi to 1 ;)
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[20:05] <day> yes
[20:05] <Upu> yes to software serial ?
[20:05] <day> yes
[20:05] <Upu> herad shot
[20:05] <Upu> head shot even
[20:05] <qyx_> i heard a shot
[20:06] <Upu> remove the software serial bits entirely for a moment
[20:06] <Upu> try it
[20:06] <day> but i dont think thats an issue i used that same crystal for 9600baud connections to my pc, which never failed
[20:06] <day> i give it a go
[20:06] <daveake> It's not the crystal
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[20:17] <Vaizki> evening peeps
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[20:18] <Vaizki> wondering if I could set up a remote station here on my island, I have a RasPi2 but not sure it's a viable solution for this...
[20:19] <Vaizki> sdr console rocks for remote use but is windows only.. and of course there is only 3G connectivity here
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> You have your own island?
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> Does it have a volcano lair?
[20:20] <Vaizki> yes, no
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> I guess that adds to the cost.
[20:20] <Vaizki> Finland has 180 000 islands
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:21] <Vaizki> and 5M residents
[20:21] <Vaizki> so.. yes it's not common to have an island but not outrageous either ;)
[20:22] <day> Upu: with software serial bits, do you mean something arduino related? on second thought im not sure i can follow
[20:22] <Vaizki> software serial? get rid of it :)
[20:26] <day> im not using an arduino incase its something arduino related. im simply timing a pwm signal to generate the rtty stream. which i do pretty much the same way the tutorial describes it
[20:26] <daveake> are you using software serial ?
[20:26] <day> i am not using the hardware embedded usart controller, so yes
[20:27] <daveake> So try not using software serial
[20:27] <day> but the hardware one doesnt output pwm :/
[20:27] <Vaizki> umm
[20:27] <daveake> OK I think the questions and answers aren't quite about the same thing
[20:28] <Vaizki> agreed
[20:28] <day> 0V and 3V gives me roughly 5.6kHz bandwidth
[20:28] <daveake> Yes, fixed with resistors
[20:28] <daveake> rather simpler than bothering with pwm
[20:29] <Vaizki> and cleaner signal
[20:29] <day> daveake: well..i have no argument against that. except maybe that the hardware controller is already blocked by the gps :P
[20:29] <daveake> That's fine - use the uart for GPS
[20:29] <daveake> But don't use PWM for no reason; it's harder and as Vaizki says it won't produce as clean a signal
[20:29] <day> i guess i could hook it up the the spi :/
[20:30] <daveake> Spend 2p and use resistors
[20:30] <Vaizki> you don't need uart, i2c or spi to drive a ntx2b
[20:30] <daveake> I think he means spi for the gps
[20:30] <Vaizki> all you need is a GPIO with Vcc/GND output and 3 reistors
[20:30] <day> daveake: no i dont
[20:31] <daveake> ok what do you mean then?
[20:31] <qyx_> day: yes, spi is abusable for many things
[20:31] <daveake> Next rule for success, set up a timer interrupt and wiggle the NTX2 pin, via resistors, with an ouptut pin
[20:31] <day> daveake: the ublox is hooked to the usart interface. the spi pins arent routed to the outside i think
[20:31] <daveake> fine. use timer int for the RTTY timing
[20:32] <Vaizki> but don't use timer 0
[20:33] <day> Vaizki: maybe im not using an atmega :3
[20:33] <qyx_> day: what do you use?
[20:33] <day> an atmega
[20:33] <qyx_> ...
[20:33] <daveake> sigh
[20:33] <Vaizki> day: ok.. maybe you don't want help
[20:34] <day> oh its fine. you gave me enough constructive input! :o
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[20:34] <daveake> good night, day
[20:34] <day> gn8 daveake and thanks for the help!
[20:37] <qyx_> Vaizki: pics! of the island
[20:37] <qyx_> i want one too
[20:38] <Vaizki> it's not easy to take pics of an island without an airplane :)
[20:38] <daveake> What, you don't have an airplane too?
[20:39] <daveake> What kind of Bond super-villain doesn't have a plane to land on his island?
[20:39] <Vaizki> I have a hexacopter I'm setting up for photos :(
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[20:40] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[20:41] <Vaizki> https://www.fonecta.fi/kartat/hiittinen?lon=22.546815800014627&lat=59.91048355270581&z=17&l=SAT&slat=59.91062878344243&slon=22.547164487180602
[20:41] <Vaizki> does that work?
[20:41] <Vaizki> not sure if it works outside of Finland
[20:41] <Vaizki> there used to be some restrictions
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[20:41] <daveake> works, nice :)
[20:42] Nick change: Crashbone -> Crashbone|Away
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> finland!
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> I like it
[20:42] <Vaizki> well if you zoom out, you may see this is not the only island around here :)
[20:44] <qyx_> Eskilskäret?
[20:44] <Vaizki> aye
[20:44] <Vaizki> feel free to drop by
[20:45] <Vaizki> the sun is setting finally and coloring the horizon orange & purple
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> there is a dude living next island :D
[20:46] <Vaizki> yea it used to be ours too but was sold to a friend
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[20:46] <Vaizki> but there are cabins on many many islands here
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ,
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ho
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> *how's life around there?
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> aha perfect http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/the-robot-wife_1.jpg
[20:48] <Vaizki> http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cxxgmBR/0/X3/i-cxxgmBR-X3.jpg
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> awesome :)
[20:48] <Vaizki> autumn evening view from my terrace
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> stargazing extreme
[20:49] <daveake> You have a telescope?
[20:49] <Vaizki> yea I have a 8" dobson
[20:49] <daveake> Been looking at getting something
[20:49] <daveake> with a goto mount for following a balloon*
[20:50] <daveake> * on the one clear day we have each year
[20:50] <Vaizki> well it's not easy here either
[20:51] <Vaizki> and this is not my home, it's a summer cabin :)
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[20:54] <Vaizki> anyway, I have good views of the horizon here so thinking of setting up a remote station for SDR
[20:54] <Vaizki> just not sure how to set up something that is not a PITA
[20:55] <Vaizki> maybe websdr? :)
[20:55] <daveake> Someone on my twitter feed mentioned setting up an SDR server on a Pi 2
[20:55] <daveake> Biuggered if I can find the link
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> daveake: Ain't modern search capabilities wonderful!
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Inability to search ~10K of data.
[20:56] <Vaizki> yea there are many options but would be good to get a panoramic waterfall and stream audio without needing to ship raw i/q samples over the network
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> I'm similarly annoyed by youtube - inability to search my recently watched videos
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> btwe
[20:56] <daveake> I put the link somewhere ...
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> -e
[20:56] <daveake> ... but not somewhere I seem to be able to find it
[20:56] <Vaizki> sdr console handles it wonderfully on windows and websdr works too but doesn't make sense unless you fix it on a certain bamd
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> Vaizki: waterfall - at least on fldigi - is lots less efficient than 'spectrum'
[20:56] <Vaizki> band
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> how do you go online on the island?
[20:56] <Vaizki> 3G dongle
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:57] <daveake> that's the easy bit
[20:57] <Vaizki> which is plugged into a router.. we now have electricity here
[20:57] <daveake> how about power ?
[20:57] <daveake> ah
[20:57] <Vaizki> so that's ok
[20:57] <Vaizki> used to be a generator
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:57] <Vaizki> I have a fridge! with beer!
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> how far is it to like the next shop and stuff?
[20:58] <Vaizki> oh there's a shop on one of the bigger islands close by, only 10min away by boat
[20:58] <Vaizki> open daily 10am-2pm or something
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:00] <daveake> We had a boating holiday in the UK a few years ago ... at one place there was an ice cream boat that went around the lake from boat to boat
[21:00] <Vaizki> well this is the sea :)
[21:01] <daveake> still need ice cream :p
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:02] <Vaizki> http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MrMBHgL/0/X2/i-MrMBHgL-X2.jpg
[21:02] <Vaizki> that's my sauna by the shore
[21:03] <Vaizki> just to give an idea of what it looks like on the ground here :)
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> very nice!
[21:04] <qyx_> Vaizki: how did you get electricity there?
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[21:05] <qyx_> renewables/diesel/undersea cables?
[21:05] <Vaizki> well the army has some coastal guns in a nearby island so we pooled up with a few neighboring islands to extend the electricity this way
[21:05] <Vaizki> undersea cables
[21:05] <Vaizki> we used to have a 8kW diesel generator here
[21:06] <Vaizki> and water is from an artesian well
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[21:06] <qyx_> undersea cable == did you lay some common, generic cable in the water?
[21:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FERRER - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FERRER
[21:07] <qyx_> or all that special stuff
[21:07] <Vaizki> qyx_: no it's like 2 inch cable laid by the power company
[21:07] <qyx_> ah
[21:08] <Vaizki> but we only have 200m of cable here from the next island which has 200m to the next etc
[21:08] <Vaizki> lot of power outages during storms and sometimes the voltage can drop under 200V
[21:09] <Vaizki> but it's still a magnificent luxury :)
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[21:09] <qyx_> you could buy a tesla lipo power bank!
[21:09] <robertbrand> Hi all from Oz
[21:09] <Vaizki> my mom has an island with only solar power ;)
[21:10] <Upu> hi robertbrand
[21:10] <Vaizki> and she makes do with 2x 180Ah 12V batteries and a gasoline generator to pump water from the well
[21:10] <robertbrand> Gearing up to fly a sterable parachute payload from 25km. Is that too high for the parachute to remain viable (open Cleanly)?
[21:11] <robertbrand> any thoughts
[21:11] <Vaizki> it should open but it's not going to have much drag?
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> You probably want to consider why you're not opening it on the ground
[21:11] <Upu> !wiki steerable
[21:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No results for your query
[21:11] <Upu> sure there is something on the wiki
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> ,
[21:12] <Upu> !wiki paraglider
[21:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No results for your query
[21:12] <robertbrand> The parachute / soft wing, is 2.1m and the payload including Navigation units. batteries an FPV will be 2kg.
[21:12] <Upu> I'd probably stab at you want to be a little lower before you get any real control
[21:13] <Upu> but I base this on no real experience
[21:13] <robertbrand> It will be fully open on deployment. I want max altitude for the flight, and want it to stay open and thus need a bit of air resistance.
[21:13] <Upu> I think you'll get bite below 20km
[21:14] <robertbrand> Control can come later. Tangling is the risk there are about 50 lines from the payload to the chute
[21:14] <daveake> This the Hobbyking one ?
[21:14] <Upu> could tangle
[21:14] <Upu> tear apart
[21:14] <Upu> I think I would possibly deploy it below 18km or something
[21:14] <Upu> no idea
[21:14] <Upu> good luck :)
[21:14] <robertbrand> Yeh. We are doing some videos for HobbyKing. Free job. they are supplying the hardware. Non-commercial
[21:15] <daveake> 2.1m sounded familiar
[21:15] <daveake> as did the 50 strings :/
[21:15] <Vaizki> how is it non commercial if you are doing it for a company?
[21:15] <robertbrand> Eventually want to take 2 up on the same balloon and fly them around each other and take the highest video / pics from one payload to another - in flight - not freefall
[21:16] <Upu> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__30801__HobbyKing_174_8482_Paraglider_Parafoil_2_15m_US_Warehouse_.html
[21:16] <daveake> That's the one
[21:16] <robertbrand> I'm not getting paid. I don't keep the gear. They are loaning it to me to have fun.
[21:17] <daveake> For the few £ they cost I'd just do it myself without needing to keep anyone else happy
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> 'loaning'
[21:17] <Upu> cheaper than I was expecting
[21:18] <daveake> I have one here
[21:18] <robertbrand> They are supplying the FPV systems, nav systems, etc. It will be great fun. I am about to build a telemetry tracking antenna for cars and balloons too. It may end up a HobbyKing unit one day
[21:18] <Upu> going to tangle
[21:19] <Upu> Personally I'd deploy it but that adds more complexity
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[21:20] <robertbrand> It will give high gain and although it may lose signal on tight turns it will re acquire within a couple fo seconds. Should give chasing balloons with Video links a breeze when chasing
[21:20] <robertbrand> .
[21:20] <robertbrand> The parachute will be fully open when we cut it down
[21:21] <robertbrand> Just interested to know if this is something the ballooning community would be interested in using. It will be a small unit that goes on the roof of a car. Roof Racks of course
[21:22] <robertbrand> I wonder what the best altitude for the parachute to not tangle?
[21:22] <robertbrand> 20km?
[21:23] <Upu> I think I'd try it first with a camera and see
[21:24] <robertbrand> Just saw Andy's balloon still tacking on its second time around the world and about to hit the west african coast.
[21:24] <robertbrand> Suck it and see sounds like what we will do.
[21:28] <robertbrand> In the next 3 weeks, weather permitting, we will fly this with what we hope is a 20km v ideo link. Should be fun. Hoping to use the gondola that the parachute uses and test with that first.
[21:29] <robertbrand> It has a prop and motor that we can use under 400 feet and we can thus avoid any last minute trees and fly it back to us if we are close enough. Our last flight ended up 7m in a tree.
[21:29] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 400 ft = 122 m
[21:31] <robertbrand> Sure, that is why all altimeters in aircraft are in feet! Sorry. I am a metric person, but I also fly. It is not whether something is real, it is what is in use. I prefer metric. always have, but when I talk about flight...
[21:32] <qyx_> theRealSIbot is a bot
[21:32] <qyx_> :)
[21:32] <robertbrand> By the way, a flight I did this time last year in Croatia had our video link at 70km and that was great. Even watched the payload tumble from over 30km when the balloon burst.
[21:33] <robertbrand> I wondered about the "bot' bit. The bot oviously does not fly. ;-)
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[21:37] <robertbrand> Appreciate the thoughts. Maybe I will do the first at 20km altitude and see what happens. Still gearing up to launch our X-2A craft from over 40km altitude. Our civil aviation group has initially said "no"
[21:38] <robertbrand> Since the Department of defence are sponsoring us, they are trying to get the minister to allow us to fly from Woomera - our defence rocket facility where they make the rules. Fingers crossed.
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:39] <robertbrand> It should reach Mach 1.5 in the supersonic dive. There is always a way around the rules
[21:40] <robertbrand> Update on the test flight. The second flight from one of our zero pressure balloons will hopefully to space. Watch out for that one. A big win for ballooning if we pull that one off. Initial work on the rocket has begun.
[21:41] <robertbrand> Happy to hear from anyone interested in being part of the team. Again - non commercial, but after the flight, that will probably change.
[21:42] <robertbrand> my email is homepc@rbrand.com or Skype robert_brand_laptop is best.
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[21:45] <robertbrand> catch you all later. Let me know if you have any thoughts on any of this stuff. Like everyone here is doing, that boundary needs to be pushed.
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[21:46] <robertbrand> Before i go - a quick question. I know that the UK does not allow HAM radio APRS, but do they allow video links from balloons?
[21:47] <Upu> as long as you do it in a manner that is compliant with the legislation
[21:47] <Upu> we think wifi should be ok
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> robertbrand: 'no' - in practice
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> robertbrand: in principle, with massive dishes, or very short ranges
[21:48] <Upu> that
[21:48] <Upu> I do have a plan though
[21:48] <robertbrand> Is that power - the right band of course. I guess that 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz would be hard to stop and if you are a HAM operator, their bands would be okay too.?
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> I mean - yes - you can buy relatively inexpensive ~2.4m dishes, that have have good gain at 5.8
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> robertbrand: you can't use ham licence airbnorne in the UK
[21:49] <Upu> and you can only use your HAM license to transmit to other HAM users
[21:49] <Upu> which the aiborne can't be
[21:49] <robertbrand> Yes. We got the 70Km video using a dish at 5.8GHz
[21:49] <robertbrand> Are... APRS can only be used on the ground. Strange rule.
[21:50] <Upu> not even sure you can use 5Ghz wireless
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Upu: 802.11a?
[21:51] <Upu> if thats the standard
[21:51] <robertbrand> I woyuld have thought that a class license for a 5.8GHz unit would mean that you could use it unattended and thus in the air.
[21:51] <craag> most of the 5GHz bands are prohibited for 'aeronautical mobile'
[21:51] Action: Upu shrugs
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> evening craag
[21:51] <craag> evening Lunar_Lander
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[21:52] <robertbrand> In Australia the APRS can be used unattended. Bad luck about the limits in the UK but I guess that makes low power systems really common and thus cheap and easy.
[21:52] <robertbrand> Bye
[21:52] <Upu> encourages innovation
[21:52] <Upu> laters
[21:52] <craag> not bad thanks Lunar_Lander
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> happy to hear that
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> same her
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> +e
[21:53] <craag> just passing through though, gtg!
[21:53] <craag> :)
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
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[22:22] <DL7AD> balloon DK0TU-11 launched
[22:23] <Upu> !track DK0TU-11
[22:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0TU-11
[22:23] <Upu> late
[22:23] <DL7AD> Upu: yeah....
[22:25] <DL7AD> some detais: APRS only Tracker, Solar, 200mAh LiFEPO4 battery (end of charge at 3.5V), gps will switch off below 2.7V, transmit will be switched off below 2.5V
[22:25] <DL7AD> cycle 2min
[22:25] <Upu> what balloon ?
[22:26] <DL7AD> qualatex
[22:27] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzVllHCGu5FUnJPOUpMSVVFTzg/view?usp=sharing
[22:27] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzVllHCGu5FNlR3dng3V2NzbTA/view?usp=sharing
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[22:27] <DL7AD> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzVllHCGu5FX1NrU2JHeWZfOFk/view?usp=sharing
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